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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 4, 2022 21:58:07 GMT
We clearly don't agree, but all I will say is that the number of games he played in the PL shows that various professional coaches and managers didn't agree with your assessment that he was "fucking shit" at that level. That is no barometer Graham Taylor thought Carlton Palmer was a good player and Gary Rowett thought he was worth £6m
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 17, 2022 16:07:38 GMT
Arguably the least impressive (maybe joint least with Smallbone) on Sat'dee for me. Not by any means bad but certainly not standout. Yet anyway. Have high hopes. Opinions eh. I thought he was great.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 7, 2022 20:54:01 GMT
No idea when he’ll return but he’s got a quad injury Quad injury? Such a rare injury yet we’ve had 3 inside 12 months (bursik, sawyers, Powell)
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 2, 2022 19:28:19 GMT
If he doesn't ditch the wing back system, he'll end up going the same way as MON. It's already seen one manager off. 4-3-3 Bonham He's shite, but marginally less so than Bursik. Until we sign a keeper though we're fucked. Clarke Not sure whether he or Sterling should start- not seen enough of the latter. Taylor Unlucky to be dropped. Jageilka His experience would help Taylor. He might be 40, but tbh he'll still be better than Flint when he's 50. Fox Tends to do OK when his job is no-frills left back. Laurent Terrible today but the only man we have who resembles a defensive midfielder. Thompson Steady eddy who gets in only because of how crap everyone else is. Baker Our only good player. Campbell Lazy sod who doesn't track back, but might score. Delap Showed some promising signs but needs to stop the petulance. DWP I'm at a loss as to who else can play left wing. I'm still not sure what Fosu is meant to be, but maybe him on the wing instead of DWP or Campbell? Smallbone I wouldn't play at all unless we're playing a number 10. I've had enough of Wilmot and his dreadful passing, but there's an argument for him starting I guess. What a depressing bunch of options. Clarke/Sterling - Can't 1 play left back and the other go right back. Both have played either side before. Fox should be nowhere near the first team regular he's become under Alex Neil. 4-2-3-1 Bursik Clarke, Wilmott, Taylor/Jags/Flint, Sterling Laurent, Baker Fosu, Wright Phillips, Campbell Delap
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 2, 2022 19:23:31 GMT
Smallbone is a lightweight S.Ireland The two aren't fit to be mentioned in the same sentence. Ireland was a quality footballer. Smallbone is crap. The fact that we are giving this guy game and development time at the expense of Wright Phillips and Campbell is a crime against football management.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 2, 2022 15:31:08 GMT
Can’t we field no line up and forfeit for a 3-0 defeat
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 2, 2022 15:09:29 GMT
I doubt we’ll take 5000+ so on that basis it isn’t sold out initial allocation is just under 2,500. If we can get 2500 people stupid enough to go watch this shit it’ll be a miracle
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 1, 2022 6:20:28 GMT
I doubt we’ll take 5000+ so on that basis it isn’t sold out
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 24, 2022 23:01:45 GMT
In the game I saw him in I questioned if he’d ever played football before let alone play at championship level Im not saying your wrong but lest we forget people were saying much the same about Tymon in the early years Tymons debut v Rochdale was a good one
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 24, 2022 21:24:44 GMT
Bit worrying that McCarron, who was perceived to have been bought as genuine Tymon competition, can't get on the Vale bench. He's definitely fit as they played him in the Autoglass or whatever it's called now. Hopefully his season improves. I only saw him in 1 game but he seemed way below Championship level on that showing. In the game I saw him in I questioned if he’d ever played football before let alone play at championship level
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 14, 2022 11:14:17 GMT
That white top will look even better with black shorts and black socks...... and better still with black shorts and white socks!
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Bursik
Sept 13, 2022 21:24:07 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 13, 2022 21:24:07 GMT
He made it look easy as pie and even wasted a bit of time in the process. Pretty sure it’s your own insecurities that made you think it was more difficult than it should have been. He collected high balls with ease, made decent saves when required, kicked it well (one pass into baker was superb) and generally looked calm and composed where usually he looks anything but. A good first showing for him under a new manager I do agree he had a good game and he came for the ball with some confidence. And he made sure he got his body behind the ball to make the saves he had to. Top marks for that. Maybe its because I was shitting my pants with him in goal. However just how I saw it, he seems to plant his feet too much before making a save and he just doesnt seem that agile and effortless when he makes a save. It always looks full of effort and cumbersome. I still dont see what his innate abilities are. But yeah tonight he didnt fuck up, which is a good start. I’m not a fan either but he was much more assured tonight I thought. Didn’t look as nervy as normal
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 13, 2022 21:15:34 GMT
Solid and assured in everything he did tonight. He did everything that was asked of him. However take that free-kick first half that Baker had and their keeper moved the other way and made a brilliant save. I just dont see Bursik ever making that save. He just doesnt look light on his feet like a Shay Given. There was a shot about 5 minutes from the end from a Hull player straight down the middle and Bursik saved. He managed to save it, but it he made it look way more difficult than it should have been. He made it look easy as pie and even wasted a bit of time in the process. Pretty sure it’s your own insecurities that made you think it was more difficult than it should have been. He collected high balls with ease, made decent saves when required, kicked it well (one pass into baker was superb) and generally looked calm and composed where usually he looks anything but. A good first showing for him under a new manager
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 13, 2022 21:00:20 GMT
He absolutely shit me up tonight to be honest. Maybe its because I dont trust him. He made some basically easy saves look like worldies. He really does not fill me with confidence. Really not convinced by him when i think of no nonsense keepers like Mark Crossley. Hopefully he gets more confidence and gets better but to me his feet seem too stuck to the ground and he just doesnt seem agile enough to be a half decent keeper Solid and assured in everything he did tonight.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 9, 2022 8:01:22 GMT
For me, if they are truly interested in a mark of respect they'd get football supporters doing it in one place tomorrow at 3pm rather than shooting off to the park, Tesco, B&Q, for a run etc... Do they really think the time will be used to mourn by many? If there is no football I’ll be found playing golf all weekend
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 6, 2022 19:33:20 GMT
I had a chat with Charlie Adam on Sunday and was speaking to Ade Akinbiyi tonight 👍
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 6, 2022 19:30:00 GMT
Goalkeeper choice is interesting. One who will be shaking like a shitting dog after Sunday and another that lets in absolutely every shot he's faced with. Tough choice. So what do you do? Go all out on a flat back four and fill the forward line or try and reduce the amount of shots we face as a team, with a dirty 541 and try and shithouse our way to a few points until the walking wounded raise themselves from their death beds? I quite like bayerns idea of Jagielka donning the gloves.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 6, 2022 19:28:21 GMT
Out of interest, why would you prefer Bonham to Bursik? I wouldn't entertain Bonham for a second and if Fielding isn't deemed fit for a game then Bursik has to start. He's young, should get better and if he doesn't we should be able to command some kind of fee for him given his "reputation". Bonham is and always will be crap. Bursik, with a bit of confidence, might just improve. I'm not convinced he will by any stretch of the imagination but he's more likely to morph into a competent keeper than Bonham is ever likely to. Because I think he is the better goalkeeper of the two. Commands his box better, is a better size as well, and has had more good games than Bursik lately. Apart from the first goal on Sunday he has been OK, nothing extraordinary, but OK. That is a pretty big “apart from”. I’m really not sure how you can separate his horrendous mistake from the rest of his performance. You are seeing things I’m not in particular the command of his box as he does no such thing. I’d go as far as to say the rules are more likely “defender deal with it because the keeper won’t”. I think bursik is pretty crap as well and I have serious reservations if he’ll ever come good but Bonham is a Gordon Marshall esq clown.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 5, 2022 16:40:00 GMT
I normally agree with you Dave and I fully do about Reading, but I thought Swansea was an ok performance by & large..I think AN will do well, but I think for a while it will be a very tough slog. I always thought his Preston team were a decent watch. Really? They looked like they would score every time they came forward and after they scored, I don't recall their keeper having a save worthy of the name to make until we scored. I thought the opening 10 minutes were positive but as soon as they scored, as normal, we fell apart and looked an absolute mess across the pitch.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 5, 2022 16:25:43 GMT
Which is a perfectly reasonable stance to take. However, many people giving Neil the benefit of the doubt are the same ones saying that O'Neill should be sacked because he's not utilising a strong squad effectively enough given we should be top 6 material. Those people can't have it both ways. Neil has delivered two performances worse than what had come before. How is that acceptable to those people who believe we have a strong squad with O'Neill underperforming? MON was over a sustained period. Not learning from the exact same mistakes as the week before. Whilst AN deserves criticism, comparing 2 games to the months long shower of shit served up isn't fair It isn't but considering many believe this squad to be excellent top 6 material, it must take some doing for a new manager to come in and get that same group of players producing two performances worse than what had come before. New manager bounce is clearly something for other clubs to enjoy!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 5, 2022 16:21:01 GMT
Nothing like giving him a chance eh? Fuck me I’m sure half of you don’t understand football. It’s a mess and it needs sorting. Over analysing a game less than a week after the new managerial appointment isn’t going to help. It could take a few games/weeks for him to stumble into what he wants and it’s no surprise he’s trying different things. Which is a perfectly reasonable stance to take. However, many people giving Neil the benefit of the doubt are the same ones saying that O'Neill should be sacked because he's not utilising a strong squad effectively enough given we should be top 6 material. Those people can't have it both ways. Neil has delivered two performances worse than what had come before. How is that acceptable to those people who believe we have a strong squad with O'Neill underperforming?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 5, 2022 16:16:14 GMT
We actually played 4-1-2-3. With Baker in a deep role in front of the back four. In fact Baker more to my dismay sometimes dropped into a back 5 making the system 5-2-3 . Clucas and Thompson played in advanced roles in front of Baker . I assume to augment the pressing but their lack of fitness told cuz after 25 minutes they were running on empty . Had we been playing with wingbacks then Gayle would have been up top with Delap. He was deployed on the right . That I still can’t work out the tactical reason as Brown has to my knowledge never played on the left before Seansea ( could b wrong on that ? ) . Why we played our best player as a defensive shield to the back four for 70 minutes was difficult to understand. I suggest you watch the game again. Look how they lined up at kick off. 3 centre halves, Wilmott and Brown high on right and left, Baker as CDM, Clucas and Thompson in right and left no8 roles with Delap and Gayle up front. Get a clip of the warm up if you can. In the specific position part, the drills were with 3 centre halves. At Blackburn, the drills were in the shape of a Back 4. It actually looked, at times, that he tried to create a fluid in possession and out of possession system but as we all know our players are thick as two short planks in the main so they just looked like a confused mess. The fact that you, me and several others (on here and twitter) couldn't see what formation we were playing or decide which formation we were playing showed what a dogs dinner Swansea was. Following hot it's heels was yesterdays debacle. Think it's fair to say Neil hasn't really simplified things in the way he said he intended to do during his first interview. If anything, he's complicated matters even more.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 5, 2022 16:07:47 GMT
I can't speak for Bayern but his dislike of Davies had little if anything to do with believing he was limiting Bursik's chances and everything to do with Davies being rubbish as well. Davies every bit as hopeless as Bursik but was on about 10k per week more. He was rightly sold. We should never have signed him in the first place. That’s utter rubbish Do you know how much Davies was on. I don’t know why fans try to guess what players are on. Davies came from Barnsley so I wouldn’t have thought he would be on as much as some think. Personally I don’t think mon didn’t rate him I just think he didn’t like him. I haven’t looked but if you look at stats between the 3 off them I know who will come out on top and let’s face it everyone on here likes stats. If tachyon reads this could you do stats on these 3 please Now I’ve said all along Davies was average not a world beater but to say he was on a par with bursik is just laughable. He kept clean sheet after clean sheet. He made mistakes but not anywhere near what bursik and bonham do. Both Bursik and Davies kept a disproportionate amount of clean sheets in their early forays into the team. Look back at those games and generally, neither keeper had anything at all to do. He came on a free transfer having been in the league 1 team of the year. Reports suggested he was on 16k per week for sitting on his arse for large parts of his time with us. Davies made as many mistakes as anyone but because he wasn't Jack Butland, he was lauded as some kind of saviour just for doing the basics right from time to time.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 5, 2022 14:00:32 GMT
Adam Davies was the best keeper we've had since the championship in my opinion. Unfortunately he received alot of unfair criticism by certain members on here who felt he was limiting Bursiks opportunities. Those same members of course are very critical of the goalkeeper department now despite having their wishes filled. Prizes if you can guess who? Spot on I can't speak for Bayern but his dislike of Davies had little if anything to do with believing he was limiting Bursik's chances and everything to do with Davies being rubbish as well. Davies every bit as hopeless as Bursik but was on about 10k per week more. He was rightly sold. We should never have signed him in the first place.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 5, 2022 13:58:00 GMT
......................Bonham.................... Wilmot........Taylor.........Jags..........Fox .....................Thompson................... .............Baker.............Powell........... Campbell...............Delap..............Brown I still prefer Bonham to Bursik! If Sterling is ready I will play him and replace Jags with Wilmot. How far off from being fit are Laurent, Killkenny, Gayle, Tymon, Clarke and Souttar? Out of interest, why would you prefer Bonham to Bursik? I wouldn't entertain Bonham for a second and if Fielding isn't deemed fit for a game then Bursik has to start. He's young, should get better and if he doesn't we should be able to command some kind of fee for him given his "reputation". Bonham is and always will be crap. Bursik, with a bit of confidence, might just improve. I'm not convinced he will by any stretch of the imagination but he's more likely to morph into a competent keeper than Bonham is ever likely to.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 5, 2022 13:04:30 GMT
Davies was crap as well. Better than Bonham, but still rubbish.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 5, 2022 12:30:34 GMT
Not much to disagree with there to be fair apart from one glaring error...Neil has adopted a back 3 in both of his games in charge. Eh ? Versus Swansea he went with back four . Wilmot Flint Taylor Fox . You could argue a back 3 when he substituted Taylor but that was around 70 minutes Brown was deployed at LWB, Wilmott on the right. Fox got pelters, wrongly, for not being close enough to stop several crosses but it was because he was playing as the left sided centre half. Because he's crap and old, he simply couldn't make up the distance from his starting position into a conventional left back area to stop the crosses coming over.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 5, 2022 9:25:57 GMT
It's always a worrying sign when you look at the team sheet pre-match and can't work out what the system is supposed to be. Once it dawned on me that we were going with wingbacks (even the words make me shudder) and that those wingbacks were Jacob Brown and Tariq Fosu (but on his wrong side, ladies and gentlemen) I knew what kind of shit we were in for. I get it. All the modern managers like wingbacks. A 4-2-3-1 is so 2017, and all the hipsters on Twitter want to see 3-4-1-2 and 3-4-3, but if you haven't got the players for it, the side looks so devoid of attacking spark that you might as well give up before you've even kicked off. The system is absolutely doomed to fail without the proper personnel, and from now on any Stoke City manager who even thinks about playing wingbacks pre-game should immediately be injected in the arse with a general anasthetic, his comatose body bound and gagged, then locked in a cupboard until the match is over. I know the 4-3-3 we played in the last two games was by no means perfect, but playing that formation with a high press, we looked like we at least had a plan. Today, for some inexplicable reason, was a deliberate return to not having a plan. It was a return to pedestrian passing, no movement off the ball, possession for possession's sake- in other words, the same dark cul-de-sac that Michael O'Neil has spent the last two years groping around in, and to be honest, Alex Neil needs to get himself the fuck out of there immediately because I for one can't take 6 months of watching anyone work out what any of us could tell him in 6 seconds. Systems are only half the story of course, because the bungling gaggle of half-wits we've assembled as a squad could probably make any system look bad. A goalkeeper charging out of his box like like a man fleeing from a scary ghost only he can see; strikers who pin defenders into a corner and then proceed to shove them in the back; centre-backs who lunge into challenges with their eyes closed, unable to connect with a bouncing ball, but perfectly capable of connecting with a man in their own box; midfielders and strikers who never seem to break into anything more than a jog...it's just fucking pathetic. Alex Neil might well have looked at the nice cosy set-up here and had a lovely chat at the shiny bet365 offices with Kind Jon and Lovable Uncle Peter, and he's probably thought, wow, what a sound club this is- I get to just manage things my way, no-one's interfering or telling me what to do, and they're going to double my pay as well. No brainer- sign me up for this! Ho, ho...but wait until you see what's in the dressing room Alex! Wait until you get them out on the training pitch and then it'll dawn on you. You've inherited a dog's dinner. Not a decent quality one either like Pedigree Chum- more like a bucket of offal, gristle and other dogs' sick. Now come on Alex, get moulding it into a team. Not much to disagree with there to be fair apart from one glaring error...Neil has adopted a back 3 in both of his games in charge.
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Bonham
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 1, 2022 6:23:34 GMT
I can’t believe what I’m reading here. He was clearly at fault for their goal (I thought flint was going to throttle him) he doesn’t communicate at all and his pat away second half was both lucky and extremely shit. He made 1 really good save low to his left 1st half and everything else was routine stuff you’d expect any keeper to make. He’s dreadful. Hogwash Bonham had a good game He didn’t have a bad game. I agree. Which shows how low the bar is that we set for keepers these days.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 31, 2022 22:42:01 GMT
Raw. Very raw and needs a goal desperately
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