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Post by rambo61 on Sept 5, 2022 11:00:05 GMT
I hope theres a keeper out there on a free that we can pick up. Bursic isnt ready and that clown on Sunday shouldnt be anywhere near the team!!
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 5, 2022 11:12:27 GMT
The problem is that Davies wasn't all that good, either. Excellent at one-on-ones, but with questionable shot-stopping abilities and a tendency to parry the ball out into danger. That problem was made worse by dropping him for Bursik every time he made a mistake, which massively increased the number of times that both he and Bursik made mistakes.
The real mistake has been not picking up another goalkeeper during the transfer window.
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Post by gawa on Sept 5, 2022 11:42:54 GMT
Adam Davies was the best keeper we've had since the championship in my opinion.
Unfortunately he received alot of unfair criticism by certain members on here who felt he was limiting Bursiks opportunities.
Those same members of course are very critical of the goalkeeper department now despite having their wishes filled.
Prizes if you can guess who?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 5, 2022 11:43:32 GMT
We have had some great and some world class keepers in our time, since Butland got injured playing for England, we have had some dross.
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Post by Royal Donut on Sept 5, 2022 11:51:12 GMT
Adam Davies was the best keeper we've had since the championship in my opinion. Unfortunately he received alot of unfair criticism by certain members on here who felt he was limiting Bursiks opportunities. Those same members of course are very critical of the goalkeeper department now despite having their wishes filled. Prizes if you can guess who? I said Davis was the best keeper,but Bursik had more potential (maybe still has). I thought Bursik would step up and the other keepers did get in his way, hindsight hey... I think it's best Bursik goes on loan gets regular game time, and irons out his mistakes for someone else, I still think he could be a great keeper with the right coaching. |
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Post by maine on Sept 5, 2022 12:24:38 GMT
Davies was much better than any of those currently on our books.
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Post by milky on Sept 5, 2022 12:28:55 GMT
Adam Davies was the best keeper we've had since the championship in my opinion. Unfortunately he received alot of unfair criticism by certain members on here who felt he was limiting Bursiks opportunities. Those same members of course are very critical of the goalkeeper department now despite having their wishes filled. Prizes if you can guess who? The problem is not allowing Davies to leave but that someone sat watching the calamity brothers in action for 6 months and did nothing about it. Prizes if you can guess who ? |
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Post by stokecitydom on Sept 5, 2022 12:35:51 GMT
It was the right decision to let Davies leave. He was extremely average & barely made a save for us last season (apart from the QPR game which seems to have changed people perception). He had games where some very questionable goals were scored, Blackburn at home & Preston away and the obvious howler against Bournemouth. If I remember correctly he had some very nervous moments in the WBA game but got away with them.
However it was quite clear that a new keeper had to be one of the main priorities, the mistake was not getting a competent keeper at this level.
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 5, 2022 12:46:26 GMT
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Post by stokemark on Sept 5, 2022 12:54:43 GMT
Ironic in that Davies hasnt played a single minute of football since leaving Stoke
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Post by gawa on Sept 5, 2022 12:59:01 GMT
Adam Davies was the best keeper we've had since the championship in my opinion. Unfortunately he received alot of unfair criticism by certain members on here who felt he was limiting Bursiks opportunities. Those same members of course are very critical of the goalkeeper department now despite having their wishes filled. Prizes if you can guess who? The problem is not allowing Davies to leave but that someone sat watching the calamity brothers in action for 6 months and did nothing about it. Prizes if you can guess who ? Michael O'Neill, Dean Holden, The Coates and Alex Neil. What do I win now? |
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Post by sheds1862 on Sept 5, 2022 13:01:59 GMT
Adam Davies was the best keeper we've had since the championship in my opinion. Unfortunately he received alot of unfair criticism by certain members on here who felt he was limiting Bursiks opportunities. Those same members of course are very critical of the goalkeeper department now despite having their wishes filled. Prizes if you can guess who? I said Davis was the best keeper,but Bursik had more potential (maybe still has). I thought Bursik would step up and the other keepers did get in his way, hindsight hey... I think it's best Bursik goes on loan gets regular game time, and irons out his mistakes for someone else, I still think he could be a great keeper with the right coaching. Any club worth their salt would've be scouting a mistake riddled keeper just to do us a favour. Can't imagine he's on many lower league clubs radars . |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 5, 2022 13:04:30 GMT
Davies was crap as well. Better than Bonham, but still rubbish.
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Post by ceejays on Sept 5, 2022 13:42:19 GMT
Adam Davies was the best keeper we've had since the championship in my opinion. Unfortunately he received alot of unfair criticism by certain members on here who felt he was limiting Bursiks opportunities. Those same members of course are very critical of the goalkeeper department now despite having their wishes filled. Prizes if you can guess who? Absolutely spot on . Tried to say his performance versus QPR was lucky . His agenda fuelled a lot of the subsequent vitriol. Davies was by far the best keeper we’ve had in the championship but moved on because he had a high wage . |
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Post by jokker on Sept 5, 2022 13:54:06 GMT
We have had some great and some world class keepers in our time, since Butland got injured playing for England, we have had some dross. I knew someone would come along and number Haugaard among our great keepers...he's probably available on a free these days.... |
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 5, 2022 13:58:09 GMT
Adam Davies was the best keeper we've had since the championship in my opinion. Unfortunately he received alot of unfair criticism by certain members on here who felt he was limiting Bursiks opportunities. Those same members of course are very critical of the goalkeeper department now despite having their wishes filled. Prizes if you can guess who? Spot on |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 5, 2022 13:59:25 GMT
Has Lee Camp retired yet? Last decent keeper we had, and even he you felt was riding a tsunami of lucky form.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 5, 2022 14:00:32 GMT
Adam Davies was the best keeper we've had since the championship in my opinion. Unfortunately he received alot of unfair criticism by certain members on here who felt he was limiting Bursiks opportunities. Those same members of course are very critical of the goalkeeper department now despite having their wishes filled. Prizes if you can guess who? Spot on I can't speak for Bayern but his dislike of Davies had little if anything to do with believing he was limiting Bursik's chances and everything to do with Davies being rubbish as well. Davies every bit as hopeless as Bursik but was on about 10k per week more. He was rightly sold. We should never have signed him in the first place. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 5, 2022 14:16:31 GMT
The problem is not allowing Davies to leave but that someone sat watching the calamity brothers in action for 6 months and did nothing about it. Prizes if you can guess who ? Michael O'Neill, Dean Holden, The Coates and Alex Neil. What do I win now? Alex Neil has been here one week, not six fucking months. |
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Post by gawa on Sept 5, 2022 14:20:26 GMT
Michael O'Neill, Dean Holden, The Coates and Alex Neil. What do I win now? Alex Neil has been here one week, not six fucking months. And due to that he's the least accountable out of the lot of them. But he still had/has the opportunity to sign a free agent if finances allow. But I fully agree this isn't on him and the others are much more to blame. |
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 5, 2022 14:36:05 GMT
I can't speak for Bayern but his dislike of Davies had little if anything to do with believing he was limiting Bursik's chances and everything to do with Davies being rubbish as well. Davies every bit as hopeless as Bursik but was on about 10k per week more. He was rightly sold. We should never have signed him in the first place. And yet he kept plenty of clean sheets. |
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Post by Caddick988 on Sept 5, 2022 14:36:08 GMT
I quite liked Davies. I thought he was more dependable than both Bursik and Bonham however I wouldn't have said there was much separating them in terms of ability. What was separating them however (from what I've read) is Davies's wage. I think with us needing to bring down the wage budget I do think it made sense to cash in on him.
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Post by bangorstokie on Sept 5, 2022 14:39:35 GMT
What ever happened to Fielding? Not that I know if he’s any better than the two who are in the squad week after week.
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Post by gawa on Sept 5, 2022 14:50:58 GMT
I can't speak for Bayern but his dislike of Davies had little if anything to do with believing he was limiting Bursik's chances and everything to do with Davies being rubbish as well. Davies every bit as hopeless as Bursik but was on about 10k per week more. He was rightly sold. We should never have signed him in the first place. Well he thought Bursik was better than Davies with one leg. This was less than a month after his motm performance against QPR. And he also thinks that Bursik will play at a higher level and make us money. Not quote the no brainer now. Only one of them will make us money and play at a higher level. He's also better at the moment (with one leg  ). So it's a no brainer. He's not alone though. A large majority of our oatcake experts were saying similar on the latter pages of this thread - oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/302564/adam-davies?page=1 |
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 5, 2022 14:53:51 GMT
I can't speak for Bayern but his dislike of Davies had little if anything to do with believing he was limiting Bursik's chances and everything to do with Davies being rubbish as well. Davies every bit as hopeless as Bursik but was on about 10k per week more. He was rightly sold. We should never have signed him in the first place. That’s utter rubbish Do you know how much Davies was on. I don’t know why fans try to guess what players are on. Davies came from Barnsley so I wouldn’t have thought he would be on as much as some think. Personally I don’t think mon didn’t rate him I just think he didn’t like him. I haven’t looked but if you look at stats between the 3 off them I know who will come out on top and let’s face it everyone on here likes stats. If tachyon reads this could you do stats on these 3 please Now I’ve said all along Davies was average not a world beater but to say he was on a par with bursik is just laughable. He kept clean sheet after clean sheet. He made mistakes but not anywhere near what bursik and bonham do. |
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Post by gawa on Sept 5, 2022 14:57:43 GMT
I can't speak for Bayern but his dislike of Davies had little if anything to do with believing he was limiting Bursik's chances and everything to do with Davies being rubbish as well. Davies every bit as hopeless as Bursik but was on about 10k per week more. He was rightly sold. We should never have signed him in the first place. That’s utter rubbish Do you know how much Davies was on. I don’t know why fans try to guess what players are on. Davies came from Barnsley so I wouldn’t have thought he would be on as much as some think. Personally I don’t think mon didn’t rate him I just think he didn’t like him. I haven’t looked but if you look at stats between the 3 off them I know who will come out on top and let’s face it everyone on here likes stats. If tachyon reads this could you do stats on these 3 please Now I’ve said all along Davies was average not a world beater but to say he was on a par with bursik is just laughable. He kept clean sheet after clean sheet. He made mistakes but not anywhere near what bursik and bonham do. Not replying to everything here. And not saying I know Davies wages either, I don't. But he was rumoured to be on somewhere between 20k to 30k, so he was on decent money if true. Still doesn't excuse the mess the GK department has been left in. But in davejohnos defence I do think Davies was on decent money. Edit: Stat wise Davies has always been the best. You're right. That thread I link above, someone talks about stats on page 9. So you can see a few there. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 5, 2022 14:57:47 GMT
Ironic in that Davies hasnt played a single minute of football since leaving Stoke That doesn’t mean anything maybe they have a excellent no 1 but there no2 is better than our no1 whichever one it is |
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 5, 2022 15:01:01 GMT
That’s utter rubbish Do you know how much Davies was on. I don’t know why fans try to guess what players are on. Davies came from Barnsley so I wouldn’t have thought he would be on as much as some think. Personally I don’t think mon didn’t rate him I just think he didn’t like him. I haven’t looked but if you look at stats between the 3 off them I know who will come out on top and let’s face it everyone on here likes stats. If tachyon reads this could you do stats on these 3 please Now I’ve said all along Davies was average not a world beater but to say he was on a par with bursik is just laughable. He kept clean sheet after clean sheet. He made mistakes but not anywhere near what bursik and bonham do. Not replying to everything here. And not saying I know Davies wages either, I don't. But he was rumoured to be on somewhere between 20k to 30k, so he was on decent money if true. Still doesn't excuse the mess the GK department has been left in. But in davejohnos defence I do think Davies was on decent money. I wouldn’t like to say what he was on I personally would have thought he wouldn’t have been on anything near that. It’s not that it’s the fact that davejohno reckons he a bursik level what utter rubbish some people come out with |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 5, 2022 15:06:05 GMT
I rated Davies and he consistently kept clean sheets.
Great at 1-on-1's and his shot stopping was pretty good. He was a bit flappy on crosses but he did command his box and come for most crosses.
He was firstly in Butlands shadow (who should have been sold earlier), and then demoted for the younger Bursik, so I understand why he wanted to leave.
Right now we just need a solid and experienced keeper - a Lee Grant or a Mark Crossley.
It would settle the defence as well as actually start making some saves. Bursik can be sold now - his confidence will be shot and he wont make a good keeper at Stoke
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 5, 2022 15:11:44 GMT
I rated Davies and he consistently kept clean sheets. Great at 1-on-1's and his shot stopping was pretty good. He was a bit flappy on crosses but he did command his box and come for most crosses. He was firstly in Butlands shadow (who should have been sold earlier), and then demoted for the younger Bursik, so I understand why he wanted to leave. Right now we just need a solid and experienced keeper - a Lee Grant or a Mark Crossley. It would settle the defence as well as actually start making some saves. Bursik can be sold now - his confidence will be shot and he wont make a good keeper at Stoke Agree with this Matt and no I don’t blame Davies for wanting to leave he got treated like shit. I blame the club and mon for selling him. In fairness to bursik mon pissed him off last year by keeping him out of the team last season cos a young lad had a couple of drinks so I think mon has alot to answer to for bursiks form and attitude. I think he’s out of contract at the end of season so we won’t get anything for him |
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