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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 27, 2022 18:23:40 GMT
Has to stay in, even if he drops the odd clanger along the way!!! It's doing nobody any favours keep chopping and changing our keepers!!! In my opinion, he's the best of the bunch we have here at the moment!!!
At least until we can get someone better in anyhow!!!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 27, 2022 18:26:50 GMT
Got way more confidence in him than Bursik
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 27, 2022 18:27:58 GMT
Got way more confidence in him than Bursik Same here hartsy....
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Post by tejstokie on Aug 27, 2022 18:34:28 GMT
Been saying he's better than Bursik for months. Until we get a real star keeper in, he's streets ahead in confidence and just doing the basics of being a goalkeeper. Flint and Taylor look more confident with him also.
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 27, 2022 18:35:13 GMT
All day long over Bursik who may well end up with a better career, but we ain't a charity and now isn't the time to get his numerous errors out of his system at Stoke. Bonham's gloves to lose.
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 27, 2022 18:53:11 GMT
Has to stay in, even if he drops the odd clanger along the way!!! It's doing nobody any favours keep chopping and changing our keepers!!! In my opinion, he's the best of the bunch we have here at the moment!!! At least until we can get someone better in anyhow!!! Hyaduck is alive and well
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Aug 27, 2022 19:04:12 GMT
Currently better than Bursik but that's more of a damning indictment on Bursik than anything.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Aug 27, 2022 19:07:19 GMT
I’m sure Neil will sort it!
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 27, 2022 19:11:08 GMT
Currently better than Bursik but that's more of a damning indictment on Bursik than anything. He has never really done anything wrong. I feel like he has been the victim of coming from the league below and people view him as less because of it. In the first game or two, he was yelled at a lot for his distribution by our centre halves. It got a bit better, though it’s still not very good. That said, he’s a decent stopper, he shouts a lot, he’s usually in position, he concentrates more. At worst, he’s average for this league. All goalkeepers will make mistakes; I don’t see Bonham’s being often to hurt us over the course of a season.
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Post by lordb on Aug 27, 2022 19:16:32 GMT
We have two perfectly acceptable back up keepers (+Fielding)
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 27, 2022 19:21:19 GMT
Fine today but overall I honestly don’t think he’s even acceptable backup standard
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 27, 2022 19:34:49 GMT
Fine today but overall I honestly don’t think he’s even acceptable backup standard This is a very basic measure, however, in terms of general rating for goalkeepers who finished with more than 10 games played last season, Bonham finished pretty much bang in the middle (19/36): www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/7/Seasons/8619/Stages/20802/PlayerStatistics/England-Championship-2021-2022While I’m sure these numbers can be calculated differently and there may be other, more reliable metrics that can be used, it is in line with what I feel, that he is average for the league. Bursik finished 32/36, just ahead of other former England U21 ‘keepers: Johnstone and Smithies.
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Post by tejstokie on Aug 28, 2022 1:48:32 GMT
Currently better than Bursik but that's more of a damning indictment on Bursik than anything. He has never really done anything wrong. I feel like he has been the victim of coming from the league below and people view him as less because of it. In the first game or two, he was yelled at a lot for his distribution by our centre halves. It got a bit better, though it’s still not very good. That said, he’s a decent stopper, he shouts a lot, he’s usually in position, he concentrates more. At worst, he’s average for this league. All goalkeepers will make mistakes; I don’t see Bonham’s being often to hurt us over the course of a season. I personally view Bursik as the most overrated, super hyped up GK in decades here. Honestly, how he is on 2 mil quid is ludicrous and more indicative of stupid money being punted on unproven and full of it players. England under 21, Ha. He's quite honestly the worst GK "prospect" I've seen at stoke in quite a while. How half this bloody board has portrayed him as the second coming of Banks is fucking hilarious. You know who you lot are. Bonham has done more of an average job just doing the basics and keeping simple clean sheets. I don't give a shit if his distribution is worse, having Bursik mis easy straight shots at himself each week is far worse. We really need better overall and its sad for the young lad but it is the truth, Bonham is better.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 28, 2022 1:59:02 GMT
Bonham didn’t have much to do but did well when called on. Much more confident than Bursik and spilled over into the back four who looked very solid. Even Flint played well - he’s much more suited to a back foil because he does not have to cover as much ground..
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Post by tejstokie on Aug 28, 2022 2:16:29 GMT
Bonham didn’t have much to do but did well when called on. Much more confident than Bursik and spilled over into the back four who looked very solid. Even Flint played well - he’s much more suited to a back foil because he does not have to cover as much ground.. He covers the back four better than Bursik has ever done. He came out constantly when balls from Blackburn came in over the top at Flint. He also speaks to his back four calling them off when he has the ball confidently and then also asks them what he should do with it, several times he asked Flint or Taylor what he should do, kick it up top or out wide? Massive difference in demeanor and confidence. Bursik has neither.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 28, 2022 2:35:19 GMT
He has never really done anything wrong. I feel like he has been the victim of coming from the league below and people view him as less because of it. In the first game or two, he was yelled at a lot for his distribution by our centre halves. It got a bit better, though it’s still not very good. That said, he’s a decent stopper, he shouts a lot, he’s usually in position, he concentrates more. At worst, he’s average for this league. All goalkeepers will make mistakes; I don’t see Bonham’s being often to hurt us over the course of a season. I personally view Bursik as the most overrated, super hyped up GK in decades here. Honestly, how he is on 2 mil quid is ludicrous and more indicative of stupid money being punted on unproven and full of it players. England under 21, Ha. He's quite honestly the worst GK "prospect" I've seen at stoke in quite a while. How half this bloody board has portrayed him as the second coming of Banks is fucking hilarious. You know who you lot are. Bonham has done more of an average job just doing the basics and keeping simple clean sheets. I don't give a shit if his distribution is worse, having Bursik mis easy straight shots at himself each week is far worse. We really need better overall and its sad for the young lad but it is the truth, Bonham is better. “You know who you are”? Give me a break.. Find me something from one poster on here (let alone “half the board”) that comes remotely close to hailing Bursik as the second coming of Banks. What you will find is people giving cautious and qualified praise for a promising young goalkeeper who has potential for the club far beyond what Bonham can offer. And btw if you’re really interested in ridiculous groupthink overrating of excruciatingly mediocre goalkeepers, search the word “Davies”
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Bonham
Aug 28, 2022 4:25:22 GMT
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Post by NassauDave on Aug 28, 2022 4:25:22 GMT
Looked solid today.
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Aug 28, 2022 5:12:20 GMT
Post by scfcrmagic on Aug 28, 2022 5:12:20 GMT
I agree, he was more commanding of his area, and the defence looked more confident because of it .
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Post by stokie63 on Aug 28, 2022 7:07:36 GMT
I like him he's much better than Joe gives the defence confidence decent keeper must keep the shirt if Neil doesn't bring in a goalie.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 28, 2022 7:29:40 GMT
He has never really done anything wrong. I feel like he has been the victim of coming from the league below and people view him as less because of it. In the first game or two, he was yelled at a lot for his distribution by our centre halves. It got a bit better, though it’s still not very good. That said, he’s a decent stopper, he shouts a lot, he’s usually in position, he concentrates more. At worst, he’s average for this league. All goalkeepers will make mistakes; I don’t see Bonham’s being often to hurt us over the course of a season. I personally view Bursik as the most overrated, super hyped up GK in decades here. Honestly, how he is on 2 mil quid is ludicrous and more indicative of stupid money being punted on unproven and full of it players. England under 21, Ha. He's quite honestly the worst GK "prospect" I've seen at stoke in quite a while. How half this bloody board has portrayed him as the second coming of Banks is fucking hilarious. You know who you lot are. Bonham has done more of an average job just doing the basics and keeping simple clean sheets. I don't give a shit if his distribution is worse, having Bursik mis easy straight shots at himself each week is far worse. We really need better overall and its sad for the young lad but it is the truth, Bonham is better. There is no way he’s on £2m a year. £1m MAYBE.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 28, 2022 8:23:42 GMT
Consistently the better keeper in training apparently.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 10:11:58 GMT
Consistently the better keeper in training apparently. And consistently better on goal keeping stats on match day , playing behind the same defence as bursik,in the same league against the same opposition
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Bonham
Aug 28, 2022 10:14:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 10:14:43 GMT
Fine today but overall I honestly don’t think he’s even acceptable backup standard Unfortunately, he is not our back up at the moment. He is our best keeper. If you are used to watching crossley, simonsen, bego and Sorensen, then you are right , he is not that good .
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Aug 28, 2022 10:38:25 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Aug 28, 2022 10:38:25 GMT
I personally view Bursik as the most overrated, super hyped up GK in decades here. Honestly, how he is on 2 mil quid is ludicrous and more indicative of stupid money being punted on unproven and full of it players. England under 21, Ha. He's quite honestly the worst GK "prospect" I've seen at stoke in quite a while. How half this bloody board has portrayed him as the second coming of Banks is fucking hilarious. You know who you lot are. Bonham has done more of an average job just doing the basics and keeping simple clean sheets. I don't give a shit if his distribution is worse, having Bursik mis easy straight shots at himself each week is far worse. We really need better overall and its sad for the young lad but it is the truth, Bonham is better. There is no way he’s on £2m a year. £1m MAYBE. £500k a year apparently, over three times Bonham, who is on 150k a year. Yet Bonham is probably three times the keeper right now.
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Aug 28, 2022 10:58:57 GMT
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Post by Ron on Aug 28, 2022 10:58:57 GMT
The fact he’s folks call for 1st choice is a damning indictment on our recruitment.
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Post by tejstokie on Aug 28, 2022 13:28:37 GMT
I personally view Bursik as the most overrated, super hyped up GK in decades here. Honestly, how he is on 2 mil quid is ludicrous and more indicative of stupid money being punted on unproven and full of it players. England under 21, Ha. He's quite honestly the worst GK "prospect" I've seen at stoke in quite a while. How half this bloody board has portrayed him as the second coming of Banks is fucking hilarious. You know who you lot are. Bonham has done more of an average job just doing the basics and keeping simple clean sheets. I don't give a shit if his distribution is worse, having Bursik mis easy straight shots at himself each week is far worse. We really need better overall and its sad for the young lad but it is the truth, Bonham is better. “You know who you are”? Give me a break.. Find me something from one poster on here (let alone “half the board”) that comes remotely close to hailing Bursik as the second coming of Banks. What you will find is people giving cautious and qualified praise for a promising young goalkeeper who has potential for the club far beyond what Bonham can offer. And btw if you’re really interested in ridiculous groupthink overrating of excruciatingly mediocre goalkeepers, search the word “Davies” At the moment he doesn`t inspire confidence in most parts of his game.Doesn`t command his area ,shot stopping non existent,always a mistake in him.We need better I didn't watch yesterday's game because of a family wake, but I just look at the facts. This was only his second game after a long absence, during which the only football he played was training, no reserve team games, because we don't have one. He needs time longer than "the moment" to get back to the huge talent he is. Do you think Banks was a world beater when he was young and playing in the lower divisions?
That took me 5 mins mate. There is loads more. The amount of "promising" , "high talented" and "next level" potential thrown around by the board "group think" on here is beyond laughable compared to reality. I'd beg to differ he has any potential beyond League 1 after nearly a century of pro games. Davies had posters using him as comparison but you have to admit that is some pretty damning comparison for the future England goalkeeper...
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 28, 2022 13:46:36 GMT
I personally view Bursik as the most overrated, super hyped up GK in decades here. Honestly, how he is on 2 mil quid is ludicrous and more indicative of stupid money being punted on unproven and full of it players. England under 21, Ha. He's quite honestly the worst GK "prospect" I've seen at stoke in quite a while. How half this bloody board has portrayed him as the second coming of Banks is fucking hilarious. You know who you lot are. Bonham has done more of an average job just doing the basics and keeping simple clean sheets. I don't give a shit if his distribution is worse, having Bursik mis easy straight shots at himself each week is far worse. We really need better overall and its sad for the young lad but it is the truth, Bonham is better. “You know who you are”? Give me a break.. Find me something from one poster on here (let alone “half the board”) that comes remotely close to hailing Bursik as the second coming of Banks. What you will find is people giving cautious and qualified praise for a promising young goalkeeper who has potential for the club far beyond what Bonham can offer. And btw if you’re really interested in ridiculous groupthink overrating of excruciatingly mediocre goalkeepers, search the word “Davies” Is that the same Davies who had consistent clean sheets and the only one goalkeeper in the last three seasons that I can remember a “good” performance from. Screw Bursik’s potential. If he hasn’t signed a new contract yet, what difference does it make? He’ll be gone on a free in 10 months anyways. He does nothing but let in soft goals. It’s almost like it’s purposeful it’s that bad. At least Bonham does the standard things at a standard level.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 13:50:27 GMT
“You know who you are”? Give me a break.. Find me something from one poster on here (let alone “half the board”) that comes remotely close to hailing Bursik as the second coming of Banks. What you will find is people giving cautious and qualified praise for a promising young goalkeeper who has potential for the club far beyond what Bonham can offer. And btw if you’re really interested in ridiculous groupthink overrating of excruciatingly mediocre goalkeepers, search the word “Davies” Is that the same Davies who had consistent clean sheets and the only one goalkeeper in the last three seasons that I can remember a “good” performance from. Screw Bursik’s potential. If he hasn’t signed a new contract yet, what difference does it make? He’ll be gone on a free in 10 months anyways. He does nothing but let in soft goals. It’s almost like it’s purposeful it’s that bad. At least Bonham does the standard things at a standard level. For sure. Not sure where all this great potential talk is coming from either. Nothing have seen on the pitch for me suggests he's going to be this great keeper.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 28, 2022 14:41:29 GMT
“You know who you are”? Give me a break.. Find me something from one poster on here (let alone “half the board”) that comes remotely close to hailing Bursik as the second coming of Banks. What you will find is people giving cautious and qualified praise for a promising young goalkeeper who has potential for the club far beyond what Bonham can offer. And btw if you’re really interested in ridiculous groupthink overrating of excruciatingly mediocre goalkeepers, search the word “Davies” I didn't watch yesterday's game because of a family wake, but I just look at the facts. This was only his second game after a long absence, during which the only football he played was training, no reserve team games, because we don't have one. He needs time longer than "the moment" to get back to the huge talent he is. Do you think Banks was a world beater when he was young and playing in the lower divisions?
That took me 5 mins mate. There is loads more. The amount of "promising" , "high talented" and "next level" potential thrown around by the board "group think" on here is beyond laughable compared to reality. I'd beg to differ he has any potential beyond League 1 after nearly a century of pro games. Davies had posters using him as comparison but you have to admit that is some pretty damning comparison for the future England goalkeeper... That’s not even close to claiming he’s the next Banks it’s a defence of a subpar performance on the basis of his *potential*, which is what those who like Bursik see. Cautious and qualified praise, like I said.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Aug 28, 2022 14:44:35 GMT
I still have faith that in time Bursik will make a fine keeper. In the meantime a spell on the sidelines to regroup and regain his confidence is exactly the right thing to do. Bonham is who he is. A decent No2.
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