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Post by stokie223 on Sept 4, 2022 13:03:22 GMT
Ordinarily I wouldn't pass comment on a manager so soon as he is still finding his feet and has only had two minutes to work with the players, but genuinely I'm absolutely baffled by what I've just seen. If you look at it objectively, had MON presided over what we've all just watched then we would be absolutely slaughtering him on here - and rightly so...
- Playing a stupid formation which doesn't suit us at all
- Striker at RWB (and our top scorer last year)
- RW at LWB
- Clucas starting (what on earth is he doing in this team?)
- Flint starting (might be on my own on this one, but I think he's atrocious)
I see people defending him saying he's still figuring things out - but I'm sorry - anyone that's watched a Stoke game over the last year or two could have told you that it was a disaster waiting to happen today.
If we don't have the players for it, don't play it. It's quite simple. We should have gone with a back four and be a little more pragmatic at that end if he's not happy with his options there.
Happy to give AN plenty of time but equally think we should acknowledge that he got pretty much everything wrong today. Sam Clucas. Sam fucking Clucas.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Sept 4, 2022 13:04:07 GMT
If my sister had bollox she'd be my brother. Gouranga.  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 4, 2022 13:04:31 GMT
He did.
But this squad isn’t suited to anything and that’s on MON.
The transfer window just gone was a disaster.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 13:05:08 GMT
It looked like a team set up without knowledge of how Reading play. Played into their hands and why he played Brown where he did made no sense pre game and even less now.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 4, 2022 13:05:28 GMT
He did. But this squad isn’t suited to anything and that’s on MON. The transfer window just gone was a disaster. Yet you said it was one of the best squads in the division, I’m confused? |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 4, 2022 13:05:47 GMT
Ordinarily I wouldn't pass comment on a manager so soon as he is still finding his feet and has only had two minutes to work with the players, but genuinely I'm absolutely baffled by what I've just seen. If you look at it objectively, had MON presided over what we've all just watched then we would be absolutely slaughtering him on here - and rightly so... - Playing a stupid formation which doesn't suit us at all - Striker at RWB (and our top scorer last year) - RW at LWB - Clucas starting (what on earth is he doing in this team?) - Flint starting (might be on my own on this one, but I think he's atrocious) I see people defending him saying he's still figuring things out - but I'm sorry - anyone that's watched a Stoke game over the last year or two could have told you that it was a disaster waiting to happen today. If we don't have the players for it, don't play it. It's quite simple. We should have gone with a back four and be a little more pragmatic at that end if he's not happy with his options there. Happy to give AN plenty of time but equally think we should acknowledge that he got pretty much everything wrong today. Sam Clucas. Sam fucking Clucas. Spot on he's got nothing right yet and he clearly has no idea about these players it's been a unmitigated managerial disaster selection wise since minute 1 |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 4, 2022 13:06:25 GMT
MON has left us in a mess, we have been unlucky with injuries but ultimately the squad are nowhere near fit enough.
The pre-season was a disaster, that's on both MON and the players themselves.
They've been far too comfortable for too long. Just happy to settle for mediocrity. As a result we continue to go backwards.
He should have gone at the end of last season that much was blindingly obvious.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 4, 2022 13:06:27 GMT
As you say he's been here two mins and he's got to sort out the awful mess of a squad, there was always going to be some strange line ups and hopefully it'll settle down soon once he figures out what he's got.
Its not his fault there's only one fullback in the squad or that all the midfielders are the same etc.
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 4, 2022 13:07:52 GMT
Ordinarily I wouldn't pass comment on a manager so soon as he is still finding his feet and has only had two minutes to work with the players, but genuinely I'm absolutely baffled by what I've just seen. If you look at it objectively, had MON presided over what we've all just watched then we would be absolutely slaughtering him on here - and rightly so... - Playing a stupid formation which doesn't suit us at all - Striker at RWB (and our top scorer last year) - RW at LWB - Clucas starting (what on earth is he doing in this team?) - Flint starting (might be on my own on this one, but I think he's atrocious) I see people defending him saying he's still figuring things out - but I'm sorry - anyone that's watched a Stoke game over the last year or two could have told you that it was a disaster waiting to happen today. If we don't have the players for it, don't play it. It's quite simple. We should have gone with a back four and be a little more pragmatic at that end if he's not happy with his options there. Happy to give AN plenty of time but equally think we should acknowledge that he got pretty much everything wrong today. Sam Clucas. Sam fucking Clucas. actually think Niel lost about 50% of his gained credit today. Last game he gained a bit, this game it's almost at 0. Many more like that and we will obviously be pissed off and he can go the way of Oniel, shrug we know it won't happen for 2.5 more years 🤷♂️ |
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Post by Davef on Sept 4, 2022 13:08:42 GMT
Ordinarily I wouldn't pass comment on a manager so soon as he is still finding his feet and has only had two minutes to work with the players, but genuinely I'm absolutely baffled by what I've just seen. If you look at it objectively, had MON presided over what we've all just watched then we would be absolutely slaughtering him on here - and rightly so... - Playing a stupid formation which doesn't suit us at all - Striker at RWB (and our top scorer last year) - RW at LWB - Clucas starting (what on earth is he doing in this team?) - Flint starting (might be on my own on this one, but I think he's atrocious) I see people defending him saying he's still figuring things out - but I'm sorry - anyone that's watched a Stoke game over the last year or two could have told you that it was a disaster waiting to happen today. If we don't have the players for it, don't play it. It's quite simple. We should have gone with a back four and be a little more pragmatic at that end if he's not happy with his options there. Happy to give AN plenty of time but equally think we should acknowledge that he got pretty much everything wrong today. Sam Clucas. Sam fucking Clucas. Spot on he's got nothing right yet and he clearly has no idea about these players it's been a unmitigated managerial disaster selection wise since minute 1 And you have now put yourself in a position whereby you have to hope that Neil fails, just to save face. And don't give me any crap about hoping to be proved wrong. A decent person would give the man a chance to put his own stamp on this shitshow of a squad. Absolutely pathetic. |
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Post by stokie223 on Sept 4, 2022 13:08:50 GMT
If my sister had bollox she'd be my brother. Gouranga. What a witty and well thought out response! Thank you for your input. |
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Post by Block 26 on Sept 4, 2022 13:11:08 GMT
You cannot blame Neil for this shite.
1 - The Coates. MON should have been sacked 18 months ago, Then to give him the summer to build his own squad & sack him after 5 games is crazy!
2 - This is not Neil’s squad. Yes we have a good squad of players on paper, But Neil has come in at the end of the transfer window & is now stuck with no goalkeeper who is up to standard & a shocking defence.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 4, 2022 13:11:10 GMT
He did. But this squad isn’t suited to anything and that’s on MON. The transfer window just gone was a disaster. Yet you said it was one of the best squads in the division, I’m confused? Still trying to reel someone in, fair play. |
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Post by milky on Sept 4, 2022 13:11:11 GMT
He hasn't helped himself today I agree but it's apples and pears isn't it ?
One has created this mess ,one has walked into it.
We were all hoping for a bounce but it hasn't happened.I thought another manager could get a tune out of this squad but maybe not.Perhaps the players are just crap ,they certainly looked it today and at times on Wednesday.
We just keep making the same basic mistakes and both keepers are literally taking it in turns to gift the opposition a goal.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 4, 2022 13:11:42 GMT
Yet you said it was one of the best squads in the division, I’m confused? Still trying to reel someone in, fair play. I’m talking to the organ grinder not the monkey mate. It’s a simple question…….. |
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Post by stokie223 on Sept 4, 2022 13:12:38 GMT
He did. But this squad isn’t suited to anything and that’s on MON. The transfer window just gone was a disaster. I completely agree in that sense. At the business end I think we have a couple of players that pretty much every team in the league would snap your hand off for, but the midfield is criminally unbalanced and we have only really got Tymon as a bona fide WB in a system which was holy reliant on them. Only real point is that I'm completely baffled that anyone that's watched us AT ALL in recent times would pick that team. I thought today was awful - that's on AN. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 4, 2022 13:12:59 GMT
Spot on he's got nothing right yet and he clearly has no idea about these players it's been a unmitigated managerial disaster selection wise since minute 1 And you have now put yourself in a position whereby you have to hope they Neil fails, just to save face. And don't give me any crap about hoping to be proved wrong. A decent person would give the man a chance to put his own stamp on this shitshow of a squad. Absolutely pathetic. Where did I say I hope he fails it's actually pathetic your looking for a agenda. He's had an appalling start every bit as bad as Jones in selection and shape dislocation he has an unenviable job with a poor squad. Key injuries but Blackburn showed they can still be organised he's thrown that away for a supposedly better idea .he's Alex Neil not pep |
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Post by Squeekster on Sept 4, 2022 13:14:11 GMT
He did. But this squad isn’t suited to anything and that’s on MON. The transfer window just gone was a disaster. Yet you said it was one of the best squads in the division, I’m confused? Quite right, no one is saying it's going to change over night and I'm fully behind AN but some want it every which but loose! |
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Post by Davef on Sept 4, 2022 13:14:20 GMT
And you have now put yourself in a position whereby you have to hope they Neil fails, just to save face. And don't give me any crap about hoping to be proved wrong. A decent person would give the man a chance to put his own stamp on this shitshow of a squad. Absolutely pathetic. Where did I say I hope he fails it's actually pathetic your looking for a agenda. He's had an appalling start every bit as bad as Jones in selection and shape dislocation he has an unenviable job with a poor squad. Key injuries but Blackburn showed they can still be organised he's thrown that away for a supposedly better idea .he's Alex Neil not pep Try reading the post correctly. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 4, 2022 13:15:11 GMT
Still trying to reel someone in, fair play. I’m talking to the organ grinder not the monkey mate. It’s a simple question…….. Which you already posted and were clearly dismayed that some posters gave you decent enough replies and not the argument you were after, but fair play at least you keep trying, good for you  |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Sept 4, 2022 13:15:24 GMT
If my sister had bollox she'd be my brother. Gouranga. What a witty and well thought out response! Thank you for your input. A lot more witty and thought out than your pathetic knee jerk reaction, which BTW you could easily have posted on the rate the manager thread instead of a look at me thread slating a manager that has been here less than a week. Gouranga. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 4, 2022 13:18:10 GMT
Where did I say I hope he fails it's actually pathetic your looking for a agenda. He's had an appalling start every bit as bad as Jones in selection and shape dislocation he has an unenviable job with a poor squad. Key injuries but Blackburn showed they can still be organised he's thrown that away for a supposedly better idea .he's Alex Neil not pep Try reading the post correctly. I did stand by view hell get plenty of time see Jones and oneil bit he's off to a terrible start evidence less by results more by selection performance amd in game management |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 4, 2022 13:18:17 GMT
I’m talking to the organ grinder not the monkey mate. It’s a simple question…….. Which you already posted and were clearly dismayed that some posters gave you decent enough replies and not the argument you were after, but fair play at least you keep trying, good for you I asked Bayern on a thread that he chose to reply to. Wind your neck in……. |
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Post by gawa on Sept 4, 2022 13:18:47 GMT
It's as if injuries to key players has an impact on the formation and starting XI.
Strange to see some of the comments though. Those who say managers should be able to adapt are now suddenly filled with excuses for the manager.
Michael O'Neill didn't play our top goalscorer and best striker at RWB...
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Post by stokie223 on Sept 4, 2022 13:19:28 GMT
You cannot blame Neil for this shite. 1 - The Coates. MON should have been sacked 18 months ago, Then to give him the summer to build his own squad & sack him after 5 games is crazy! 2 - This is not Neil’s squad. Yes we have a good squad of players on paper, But Neil has come in at the end of the transfer window & is now stuck with no goalkeeper who is up to standard & a shocking defence. Can you blame him for the squad? No Can you blame him for the compete stupidity of Flint, Bonham and Wilmot? No Can you blame him for playing a formation which we all know does not work with this squad of players, picking Flint, picking Clucas, putting square pegs in round holes? Yes, absolutely. For me - any decent manager coming in to this shit show should put their own stamp on it immediately and not just rinse and repeat. “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 4, 2022 13:19:57 GMT
It's as if injuries to key players has an impact on the formation and starting XI. Strange to see some of the comments though. Those who say managers should be able to adapt are now suddenly filled with excuses for the manager. Michael O'Neill didn't play our top goalscorer and best striker at RWB... Spot on |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 4, 2022 13:20:05 GMT
Which you already posted and were clearly dismayed that some posters gave you decent enough replies and not the argument you were after, but fair play at least you keep trying, good for you I asked Bayern on a thread that he chose to reply to. Wind your neck in……. I'm not interested in an argument either so I'll leave you too it but don't let that put you off, if at first you don't succeed.......... |
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Post by datguy on Sept 4, 2022 13:20:14 GMT
If that was MON today?? That was MON today!
That’s his CB and GK dropping clangers 2 minutes into the game.
That was MON’s creative Will Smallbone doing naff all all game.
That was MON’s Sam Clucas - two year contract master class.
That was MON’s LWB.
Give Neil time. He’s got a decent squad. It’s just that about half the decent-ness is either coming back from injury or still weeks away.
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 4, 2022 13:21:09 GMT
It's as if injuries to key players has an impact on the formation and starting XI. Strange to see some of the comments though. Those who say managers should be able to adapt are now suddenly filled with excuses for the manager. Michael O'Neill didn't play our top goalscorer and best striker at RWB... He's gone...  |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 4, 2022 13:22:08 GMT
I asked Bayern on a thread that he chose to reply to. Wind your neck in……. I'm not interested in an argument either so I'll leave you too it but don't let that put you off, if at first you don't succeed.......... For someone who isn’t interested you keep replying. But then I’ve seen your stamina for shoehorning criticisim of Jordan Thompson onto every thread repeatedly so I’m sure you have all day……. |
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