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Post by mozzer on Oct 28, 2018 10:51:52 GMT
There's some people on here who don't half fantasise with a little help from select memory
Two and half years of good football......bollocks, we had a smattering of good games a season during this time and although we looked better going forward we were at heart still a Pulis side......
Which brings me on to another point....
As soon as the clown started to dismantle the side he inherited he went to rat shit, he lost the balance and guile of the team and replaced it with spineless journeyman, Bojan first half of his first season was uninspiring, he played ok for the second half having a couple of memorable games such as Leicester away a spuds away Arnies first season was uninspiring where he was actually getting dropped to subs bench and we looked better without him Shaq first two seasons were fucking woeful were he actually became a boo boy with the crowd with his half arses lazy approach, by far his best season was his shop window season...strange eh The wins against United and city at home over that Christmas period were addmitadly the best I have seen stoke play, that win away at city with the headless chicken scoring past Hart was a flook, and what about the times that the useless curley headed bafoon had to resort to ex pulis players to dig him out of the shit by bringing on walters or crouch 2 and half years...
Give your heads a wobble you clowns
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Post by mozzer on Oct 13, 2018 19:31:03 GMT
10 goals at vale park this season
Vale have managed 11
Why did Lincoln let them score two, what a stat that would have been
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Post by mozzer on Oct 6, 2018 12:23:00 GMT
Damn right it should be sold, It should be sold and the money used to build a stadium slap bang in the middle of the country so fans of the North East only have as far to travel as fans in the south west, all this London bias is bollocks, the old stadium was a delapitated shit hole but it had presence and romance, this new stadium is a white elephant built to pander to the corporate hangers on rather than the true grass roots of football, the fans.
The best time of football was when Wembley was shut and the national team played at the larger league grounds giving fans the chance to watch the national side without needing two days off work to do so, who can put up any type of argument against the Welsh national stadium should have been the blue print of what was needed, built on the edge of town bringing prosperity where its needed, no faffing around with infrastructure, the crowd on top of the pitch....well done FAW shame on Efa
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Post by mozzer on Sept 27, 2018 18:19:32 GMT
Yes we missed him ...........
if your idea of watching football is sitting on a park bench whilst watching a complete strangers jack Russell run around the council pitch with a football keeping it close and under control but going absolutely no where with it whilst you smile to your self like a loon
Or
No we didn't miss him
If your idea of football is watching a fat Scottish lad run around like a local pub bully aimlessly trying to take peoples leg off at the knee whilst his older scottish mate scratches his head wondering what day of the week it is
Take your pick the better of two midfields
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Post by mozzer on Sept 27, 2018 13:29:43 GMT
31 defeats from the last 63 league games. A culture of failure. Jesus Christ, I’d not seen the stats. We really have suffered long enough. Its worse than that now....its 32 defeats from the last 64 after Forest away
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Post by mozzer on Sept 27, 2018 6:36:53 GMT
I think that you are 100% bang on with your assessment, Rowett is on the ropes at the moment and in all honesty some of it is of his making with his decision making, the major problem is the turmoil and mismanagement that is rife throughout the club that will take longer than one transfer window and a 5 month managerial reign to get back on track, the bloke is on a hiding to nothing with all the expectancy that was evident preseason and unfortunately could be too much pressure to deal with especially when the board say that anything short of the play offs will be a catastrophe Perhaps it's time for Coates Snr, Cartwright and Scholes to exit stage right through the door marked DO ONE 😬 I don't think it's quite come to that yet to be honest, they should just concentrate on sorting their club out to enable it to grow, if they don't and we keep what we have then we will always be the same. I'm sure Rowett can do a job and keep us in this league when the next window opens, I'm sure Rowett can stabilise us with another summer transfer window going in to next season and I am sure that with another January transfer next season he can get us towards the play offs, No quick fixes to this great steaming pile of opportunity The board need sort the club out Rowett needs sort the team out
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Post by mozzer on Sept 26, 2018 6:34:20 GMT
I thought the task for Stoke City in Championship with teams like Preston, Millwall and Rotherham would be easy with many PL players with Stoke but unfortunately those players who are supposed to be PL players are here with the team because they couldnt find a team in PL, they dont have ambition. Any way it is still too early, and no one knows what will happen. Still too early for what?? It doesn't matter what happens in the future or when it happens, the point is we have been shite for the last 3 years and up to today we are still shite, hopefully Rowett will be using the next transfer window to make additions to the squad to try and rectify the continual demise the club finds itself from top to bottom. Just look at the stats between us and a team who should be on par with us West Brom, they are third because they had a basis of a team or the spine of a team that was able to compete in this league and then bought ok signings to improve the squad at this level, we bought the players we lacked but had no base of a team to add them to, still not convinced on McClean though
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Post by mozzer on Sept 25, 2018 21:53:53 GMT
For your pay as you go deal, which network provider did you use ? I’m on a contract but I think I’m just throwing my money away on something that I will never own . You don’t have to tell me about the financial and emotional burden, the headaches with trying to get through to them they sell you a phone but never fucking answer their own ! Yeah very good that, nah it's not I'm just being nice it's shit really Comedy not you strong point then
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Post by mozzer on Sept 25, 2018 21:50:47 GMT
Hold out much hope for promotion, seriously.... I never expected anything other than what is happening now from as long ago as last february, I knew that we would go down in spectacular fashion and then start to struggle against hard working lower budget teams, I have to admit when i saw rowett announced as manager I had a little wobble in my thought pattern that he may just get us slightly back on track and sort us out to salvage a little something from the upcoming season even if that something was pride and self belief, I thought that he just may shift the dead wood and turn us in to a solid mid table team with him knowing the basics of this league and the likely budget that he was getting, little did I realise that we would still be relying on diouf as a first choice player with Butland, shawcross, Allen, berahino and Pieters making the team sheet every week playing as they have done and indeed are still doing. Good post. The problem is I fear a lot of what he wanted to do was taken away from him. His signings on the whole have been good ones. The problem has been the players weve kept. I’m pretty sure he’d like to have raised money by selling Allen, Butland, Pieters, Ryan etc players that we would have got decent fees for and been able to reinvest in new players fit for purpose. I hold the board and Scholes / Cartwright far more responsible for the mess we’re in than Rowett. As he’s clearly only been given half the tools he wanted to do the job. I think that you are 100% bang on with your assessment, Rowett is on the ropes at the moment and in all honesty some of it is of his making with his decision making, the major problem is the turmoil and mismanagement that is rife throughout the club that will take longer than one transfer window and a 5 month managerial reign to get back on track, the bloke is on a hiding to nothing with all the expectancy that was evident preseason and unfortunately could be too much pressure to deal with especially when the board say that anything short of the play offs will be a catastrophe
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Post by mozzer on Sept 24, 2018 18:46:44 GMT
I don't think we're playing any better than we did last season and I don't think Rowetts made much difference. I don't hold much hope for promotion which means another season (at least) in this division & subsequent drop in season ticket sales. Hold out much hope for promotion, seriously.... I never expected anything other than what is happening now from as long ago as last february, I knew that we would go down in spectacular fashion and then start to struggle against hard working lower budget teams, I have to admit when i saw rowett announced as manager I had a little wobble in my thought pattern that he may just get us slightly back on track and sort us out to salvage a little something from the upcoming season even if that something was pride and self belief, I thought that he just may shift the dead wood and turn us in to a solid mid table team with him knowing the basics of this league and the likely budget that he was getting, little did I realise that we would still be relying on diouf as a first choice player with Butland, shawcross, Allen, berahino and Pieters making the team sheet every week playing as they have done and indeed are still doing.
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Post by mozzer on Sept 23, 2018 15:40:55 GMT
Rowett is 100% struggling and so under pressure his ears must be bleeding by now, I said it on another thread and I will say it here we are a basket case of a club and no matter what smudge believes I truly believe we are rotten to the core, Rowett needs to be given some backing by giving him full control and we need to get rid of the two little pigs running things in the background rowett will need at least 2 more transfer windows to get us ticking how he wants and playing the system his training ground boys have been instructed, the one and only thing that we were good at and really exceled at last season was conceding goals for fun, so what do we do.....we keep the same keeper and same defence,..priceless
The only problem I have with Rowett (other than him making a complete hash of things currently)is his persuasion to play pulisesque defensive football whilst relying on the worst defence in the league, let's change the tactics to suit the personnel until we can trim the wage bill and replace some of these premier league big time Charlie's.
WATFA
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Post by mozzer on Sept 23, 2018 13:58:04 GMT
And some on here are just waking up to see what was wrong or even still struggling to spot the cause of the problems, you can rinse Rowett all you want about the latest 5 months but the signs were there 3 years ago and were ignored by most, this club is being run by halfwitts of the highest order from the board room down we are a basket case of a club.....now what's all the fuss about Peter, we didnt just lose a lot of games last year we got mullered most weeks in a fashion that was nothing short of embarrassing for a professional football team..if you went spurs away you know exactly what I mean, we have signed muniesa on free, wollsheid for 2.5mil and then Kevin whimmer for 18mil, Bruno for 7mill, we had the rated zouma on loan, we have Williams on loan to a full move, we have shawcross plus the many players we have bought in reserve and we still struggle to put two Center halves out who will do a job
Rowett struggling let's make no bones about that but there's more to this than Rowett 5 month reign, take off the rose tinted spectacles and look at the bigger picture of over the last 3 years to see where the problems are and why we are in this predicament, when Rowett took control we needed as many as 9 first team players to compete in this league, we still persevere with Diouf...enough said.
Thank God for work comitments that enforced me to take the decision to go pay as you go this year......a massive bullet dodged financially and emotionally because this season along side last season and the season before that is just horse shit
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Post by mozzer on Sept 23, 2018 13:18:23 GMT
Talking to a Man. United supporter many years ago I got the impression that Ferguson looked on players at 30 plus as being in their way out of the club the minute they started to under-perform. It worked for him: "We identified three levels of players: 30 and older, 23 to 30, and the younger ones. The idea was that the younger players were developing and would meet the standards the older ones had set. I believe that the cycle of a successful team lasts maybe four years and then some change is needed." www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/10/alex-ferguson-manchester-united-blueprintWe have kept too many older players for too long instead of moving them on. Walters went because he couldn't get the extension to his contract that he wanted and now spends his time sitting on the bench at Burnley, which tells you something. We have too many underperforming players at all levels in the club and it will take some time to rid these out and re-balance the squad. Unfortunately I still see Division One as a possibility. What???? Jon Walters is at Ipswich mate
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Post by mozzer on Sept 16, 2018 15:42:16 GMT
when tp came back 2006 to 2007 we got 8 points from 10 games and finished 8th 2 points from play offs so don't write us off yet it took him 2 seasons 2 get us up it may take gr to do the same lets hope he can do it this season I know it looks likely not but I think he will get us going sooner rather than later Oh yes, and he had a pile of shit to work with and next to no budget compared with todays war chest...8th is an achievement then
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Post by mozzer on Sept 16, 2018 15:38:22 GMT
That Yarmalenko is a bit shit, glad we didn't buy him
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Post by mozzer on Aug 29, 2018 17:40:01 GMT
Anyone still think confidence doesn't count? As individuals yes 100%, as a complete club no A striker needs confidence to bag a few extra, a team citing confidence as a collective is looking for excuses especially as some of these were not even here last year and some dont even want to be here this year.
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Post by mozzer on Aug 24, 2018 16:57:16 GMT
Alan Smith ( ex arsenal) was just on talkSPORT talking about confidence. As he says, if you have no confidence even controlling a ball is nigh on impossible, some players never have that problem, some do. However we talk about it, be it right or wrong they have 0 confidence atm, (same with Sterling at the WC). The toxic atmosphere doesn’t help, be it in the club, at the stadium and all over the internet (here especially). We have always been a fickle bunch (which always makes me laugh when we demand players bleed for us, but fuck up once and they are as good as dead to most) then moan that our board/staff players really can’t be bothered and don’t listen. None of it helps confidence, and to say confidence is irrelevant kinda sums up the mentality of some on here A bit like your post then really kristoff, Fickle eh....over 2 years of shit and now people are fickle to moan Demand players bleed for us.....over 2 years of shit and and a fucking relegation battle we never turned up to fight yet they refuse to bleed for us still...fuck up once...what a match, a season, a half, every other pass more like Moan the board does not listen, what's all the fuss about Kristoff, yep just about sums up their listening qualities People on here make you laugh then when they criticise the team, you keep happy clapping son, you will be a "legendry super supporter" one day
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Post by mozzer on Aug 23, 2018 13:09:36 GMT
So what you implying, fans should just lap up the shit being served up and be happy about it in the name of harmony and unity, doing so will sort out the issues and mess
Please do go on
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Post by mozzer on Aug 23, 2018 12:54:10 GMT
Tell you what mate, we followed them through some shitty times with performances and politics but this is different, this time around it's more worrying, there are no excuses for this and what is going on, we never had money to compete with the big clubs when we have been in the lower leagues but this time it's different, they can't compete with our new wealth yet it has counted for nothing. Big changes and bold people required right now or we will be back to a position where we both started our journey, not a clue what the answer is mate but i guess Rowett has to stop, not sure what else though im as clueless as them but its all wrong at the mo, this has the feeling of hughes last week in charge and hull could be Rowetts coventry. I was with you mate until you said about rowett being in Hughes territory He’s been left an utter shambles and seems to be trying to address them head on, personally I like him as he pulls no punches He’s way off the sack for me 100% way off sack today mate, but the wave of apathy and the volume of discontent in the support is growing and depending on the crowds reaction over the next couple of weeks will decide his fate not the boards loyalty, traditionally crowds turning on the owners get managers the sack not results or performances
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Post by mozzer on Aug 23, 2018 12:49:32 GMT
I've become a bit dismissive of Pej in the last few months - needlessly pointing fingers at Shaq and saying how things were back in the day etc., but I wonder now if he was actually dropping a hint last night when he said "Someone needs to come out and spill what's going on behind the scenes". I thought he was just speculating, but I wonder now if he has an ear to what really is going on and was prepping the public - possibly he'd already seen/heard about the tunnel incident? I think there really is a story unfolding (the press have clearly got a whiff of something and are starting to write up what they know/see already). What do folks think? I have been intimating on here over the last two weeks that there is a mahoosive chance that the behind the scenes shenanigans have a good chance of exposure and I still believe that major parts of it could still come out depending on the events of the next 2 weeks, dont go kidding yourselves Pejic will deffinately know 100% what is going on within the club as an ex player/pro he mixes in the football circles that talk of day to day issues and gossip, as part of his media dabbling he will get the gossip from people within the club, i have fuck all do with the game but if I can get to know through 1 contact within the pro game and 1 contact in the media I know that he can with all the numerous contacts that he has, I know that the events and problems i know of are true because both my friends dont know each other and have never met each other but they both tell the same stories, things are or deffinately were shocking and money can not put it right.
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Post by mozzer on Aug 23, 2018 12:31:38 GMT
Total capitulation, players falling out, manager questioning senior player attitudes and serious supporter unrest and it’s all come to a head Is it just what was needed ? Tell you what mate, we followed them through some shitty times with performances and politics but this is different, this time around it's more worrying, there are no excuses for this and what is going on, we never had money to compete with the big clubs when we have been in the lower leagues but this time it's different, they can't compete with our new wealth yet it has counted for nothing. Big changes and bold people required right now or we will be back to a position where we both started our journey, not a clue what the answer is mate but i guess Rowett has to stop, not sure what else though im as clueless as them but its all wrong at the mo, this has the feeling of hughes last week in charge and hull could be Rowetts coventry.
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Post by mozzer on Aug 23, 2018 12:09:28 GMT
Confidence is huge and a win will make a big difference as the confidence in their own ability will come back to some of the better players. Problem is we have too many individuals walking into the team because there is no genuine competition for their place.... Butland, Shawcross, Pieters, Fletcher, Afobe, Maclean all being utter garbage in 4 games. Shawcross is no leader and inspires no confidence in teammates or fans alike because he is a liability and has been for 2 years. When that is the tone set from the top you are in trouble. Big changes needed for the next game and i would give 2 or 3 youngsters a shot. Correct, Just like it did after we beat Huddersfield 20th Jan 2017, we never looked back after that result with confidence running high through the squad with back to back wins against..... Oh hold on, we went on to win one more game from that day in January until now, yeah I think you may be expecting a little much of them Just let this sink in...... In the 2015/16 season we won 14 league games Out of them 14 games we won 8 at home and 6 away In the 2016/17 season we won 11 league games Out of them 11 games we won 7 at home and 4 away In the 17/18 holocaust of a season we won 7 league games Out of them 7 games we won 5 at home and 2 away So far 2018/19 we have won no league games at all Since the begining of the 16/17 season we have won a total of 12 games at home, thats 4 more in two and a bit years than we won in all of the preceding season, two full seasons and a month in to the 3rd season in a lower league and we have won 4 more than we won over the preceding season.....12 games in two and a bit years is pathetic but the worst stat and the one that tips it over the edge is ......... We won our second home game Of the season against Southampton at the end of september 17, Since the beginning of October 2017 we have won a grand total of 3 home league games, 3 games won in front of their main contingent of paying fans and they wonder why stoke fans are pulling their hair out with the shit and corresponding results and success being served up. 3 games in as good as 11 months, pathetic!!!
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Post by mozzer on Aug 23, 2018 11:14:02 GMT
Last night V Wigan will go down in our history as a major “Watershed”. The team and management started to loose the crowd support. The team started to loose each other swinging their handbags at each other in the tunnel and changing room. Those supporters who had so much opptomism at the start of the season were suddenly joulted iinto the reality of our dire situation. The outside world started to understand what has been said on here for some time,that Stoke City are in free fall. So this is the watershed and we will continue to spiral down the drain into oblivion , or some major and drastic decisions need to me made. What those decisions are I don’t know. But I don’t earn millions of pounds to make them. So from the top floor executive offices to the training ground people need to bite the bullet and metaphorical blood needs to flow. Bang on, hopefully all the happy clapping knobs that shouted knicker wetter to any one showing concern as long a go as two years ago are now suffering the same pain, once the reality has sunk through their thick skulls that we are in dire straights as everyone else who knew the game realised, they will be a little more accepting when due critisism is required for what was happening within the club.
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Post by mozzer on Aug 22, 2018 23:20:06 GMT
The biggest show of it was in Joe and Fletcher tonight. They were terrified of getting the ball after it went 2-0. Whenever our defence had it, both of them would cower behind a hull player and not show for it. The difference a player like the lad from brentford would make is immense. Hull??
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Post by mozzer on Aug 22, 2018 23:15:13 GMT
I have surprised myself tonight, a 200 mile round trip, couple of pints with a decent chat with friends and family in the cricket club and then an absolute comedy performance. The performance was that bad, I was surprised to find I no longer care, at the end we shrugged our shoulders and left. Maybe 2 years of dross have just worn me down to this. I certainly don’t feel the need to repeat the experience any time soon, and definitely feel that not renewing my season ticket of 15 years is a blessed relief. I had hoped that Stoke would come roaring back and make me feel that the decision was folly, but that looks a long way off. Maybe it’s the exiled Stokies that leave first, its an expensive and timely do, and with little cheer it’s easy to stay away. At the minute it feels like the end of a relationship that’s run it’s course, and with no green shoots of recovery insight , maybe it’s beyond rescuing. Sad times. Spot on, I was the same last year, I knew what to expect before a ball was kicked so when the fat cow sang I was all but ready for it and I did not give a jot when we went down, This year exactly the same, the happy clapping jcls were talking about promotion and I was consoling myself with finish in 10th we have had a good season Think I may be spot on again after the start to the season
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Post by mozzer on Aug 22, 2018 22:44:57 GMT
Stay. With the squad he's inherited he's got a tough job. His squad is so poor some of the players have to be picked however bad they play because there are no alternatives. McClean and Pieters being the classic case. Was with you 100% until you mentioned McClean, Rowett chased him, over paid and bought him yet 50% of the fan base knew he was worthless and not up to the job, he inherited Pieters so can only do his best and play him, McClean IS Rowetts alternative and as such he has to take the flack that goes with that player
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Post by mozzer on Aug 22, 2018 22:39:10 GMT
Bollocks.....
Confidence is the difference between a striker netting 22 per season and netting 4
Not confidence effecting a whole team half of which were either not here last year or dont want to be here this year, its afresh start and a fresh season
Other teams have hit the ground running there's fuck all wrong with west Brom or swanseas confidence or villas who failed at the final hurdle
Stop making excuses for them, it's a lack of ability and the wrong tactics
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Post by mozzer on Aug 22, 2018 22:32:34 GMT
Of course he has to stay,
Pep fucking guardiola couldn't get a tune out of this pathetic bunch of clowns
I said it pre season and I will say it again
Put all your asperations of promotion to bed and hope that we can fight for a 10 to 14 position finish, get rid of the shite and dead wood and just hope the club can put something together for the following year
We did not just get relegated because we had a good cup run and took our eye off the ball, or get relegated because we were jolly unlucky, we went down because we were beyond shit, we were truly woeful in one of the weakest premier league's that I can remember
We were really bad
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Post by mozzer on Aug 22, 2018 22:16:14 GMT
More like lack of ability.
A squad full of lazy half arsed aging talentless players have taken us on a nightmare 2 and a half year journey of premier league shite, all of a sudden we make excuses about lack of confidence for them. Bollocks, they are still the same half arsesd motley crew of shite that embarrassed the club last year with their shite performances and dropping down a division does not turn them into world beaters over night.
Some home truths need addressing like the myth that Allen is some sort of a midfield god and does a lot more than just run around a lot Or Butland is still a top class keeper since his return from injury Or shawcross is still a defensive rock since his back troubles Or our full backs are fast enough to deal with a nippy but lower league winger Or our midfield has balance and bite and can compete at this level creating chances and forward balls for the forwards to run on to Or our forward line can ever give the fans something to cheer about ever again Or the transfer team know what they are doing and not strangling the life and passion from the club Or our owners actually still care and are not taking more out of the club than they put in and actually want us back in the top echelons of english football Or our new manager actually knows his best team and knows what his best formation and tactics are to achieve the best results Or the happy clapping supporters who are still burying their heads in the sand stating it's early days or pre season means nothing whilst accusing the desenting voices as knicker wetters whilst rome burns
Confidence my arse,
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Post by mozzer on Aug 22, 2018 21:40:12 GMT
The home game v Wigan will be a marker for Gary Rowett. Win and all will be good, draw then questions will be asked. Lose, then goodness knows what happens. .???????
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