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Post by mozzer on Aug 22, 2018 22:16:14 GMT
More like lack of ability.
A squad full of lazy half arsed aging talentless players have taken us on a nightmare 2 and a half year journey of premier league shite, all of a sudden we make excuses about lack of confidence for them.
Bollocks, they are still the same half arsesd motley crew of shite that embarrassed the club last year with their shite performances and dropping down a division does not turn them into world beaters over night.
Some home truths need addressing
like the myth that Allen is some sort of a midfield god and does a lot more than just run around a lot
Or Butland is still a top class keeper since his return from injury
Or shawcross is still a defensive rock since his back troubles
Or our full backs are fast enough to deal with a nippy but lower league winger
Or our midfield has balance and bite and can compete at this level creating chances and forward balls for the forwards to run on to
Or our forward line can ever give the fans something to cheer about ever again
Or the transfer team know what they are doing and not strangling the life and passion from the club
Or our owners actually still care and are not taking more out of the club than they put in and actually want us back in the top echelons of english football
Or our new manager actually knows his best team and knows what his best formation and tactics are to achieve the best results
Or the happy clapping supporters who are still burying their heads in the sand stating it's early days or pre season means nothing whilst accusing the desenting voices as knicker wetters whilst rome burns
Confidence my arse,
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Post by sportsman on Aug 22, 2018 22:24:02 GMT
Confidence is THE biggest thing in football. A confident burton Albion beat a confidence shot Barcelona.
We came out flying. As soon as we let a goal in the confidence goes through the floor and we collapse. It's happened for 2 years now.
Wigan came out first 25 minutes and couldn't keep the ball on the pitch. They score and finish the game like Barcelona.
Biggest thing in football.
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Post by lordb on Aug 22, 2018 22:24:36 GMT
Confidence is THE biggest thing in football. A confident burton Albion beat a confidence shot Barcelona. We came out flying. As soon as we let a goal in the confidence goes through the floor and we collapse. It's happened for 2 years now. Wigan came out first 25 minutes and couldn't keep the ball on the pitch. They score and finish the game like Barcelona. Biggest thing in football. Spot on. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 22:26:00 GMT
Totally agree
We are going to be in a battle to stay in this league
Things have moved on and top half of the championship is just as good as bottom half of the Prem, so why are we so surprised that we are struggling!
We struggled last season and so we are again.
On top of that we are seen as a trophy so teams raise their game.
Mark my words we will have to fight to stay in this league.
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Post by greenhoff on Aug 22, 2018 22:26:25 GMT
Confidence is THE biggest thing in football. A confident burton Albion beat a confidence shot Barcelona. We came out flying. As soon as we let a goal in the confidence goes through the floor and we collapse. It's happened for 2 years now. Wigan came out first 25 minutes and couldn't keep the ball on the pitch. They score and finish the game like Barcelona. Biggest thing in football. Agree. If Afobes offside goal had stood it would have been a different game |
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Post by ElworthPotter on Aug 22, 2018 22:27:15 GMT
Confidence and mental resilience is exactly what the issue is. Ability wise we were great for 25 minutes but as soon as that goal went in we capitulated. We showed for a period v Brentford and today for 25 mins that we can do it. But I’ve never seen a group of professional footballers with such a fragile mentality. Incredibly concerning and I’ve no idea what Mr Rowett is supposed to do about it. It’s deeply engrained into our entire squad.
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Post by Veritas on Aug 22, 2018 22:30:58 GMT
Confidence and mental resilience is exactly what the issue is. Ability wise we were great for 25 minutes but as soon as that goal went in we capitulated. We showed for a period v Brentford and today for 25 mins that we can do it. But I’ve never seen a group of professional footballers with such a fragile mentality. Incredibly concerning and I’ve no idea what Mr Rowett is supposed to do about it. It’s deeply engrained into our entire squad. What is most worrying for me is the lack of reaction from the players to the poor performances this is down to the manager. |
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Post by maliciousdamage on Aug 22, 2018 22:31:48 GMT
Confidence is THE biggest thing in football. A confident burton Albion beat a confidence shot Barcelona. We came out flying. As soon as we let a goal in the confidence goes through the floor and we collapse. It's happened for 2 years now. Wigan came out first 25 minutes and couldn't keep the ball on the pitch. They score and finish the game like Barcelona. Biggest thing in football. If we actually had a plan and could get the ball in the net in that 25 minutes then we might have had a chance but clearly they were fitter, quicker and could actually finish, we were told that Saturday they had got their fight back but clearly they haven't. There is something more fundamentally wrong somewhere for me. Either they aren't buying into Rowetts mantra or plan or there is a problem between players possibly some of the recontracted and newbies are earning more than the others, maybe it's jealousy, maybe they don't like the managers public slatings but something toxic is in the air |
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Post by ElworthPotter on Aug 22, 2018 22:33:52 GMT
Confidence and mental resilience is exactly what the issue is. Ability wise we were great for 25 minutes but as soon as that goal went in we capitulated. We showed for a period v Brentford and today for 25 mins that we can do it. But I’ve never seen a group of professional footballers with such a fragile mentality. Incredibly concerning and I’ve no idea what Mr Rowett is supposed to do about it. It’s deeply engrained into our entire squad. What is most worrying for me is the lack of reaction from the players to the poor performances this is down to the manager. Disagree. The 11 the manager picked and the way he set them up today battered Wigan for 25 mins. It went south very quickly when we lost our heads. That’s not something the manager can do an awful lot about within 5 minutes when he’s not on the pitch and it’s a mental issue which will take time to sort itself out. |
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Post by mozzer on Aug 22, 2018 22:39:10 GMT
Bollocks.....
Confidence is the difference between a striker netting 22 per season and netting 4
Not confidence effecting a whole team half of which were either not here last year or dont want to be here this year, its afresh start and a fresh season
Other teams have hit the ground running there's fuck all wrong with west Brom or swanseas confidence or villas who failed at the final hurdle
Stop making excuses for them, it's a lack of ability and the wrong tactics
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Post by Veritas on Aug 22, 2018 22:43:05 GMT
What is most worrying for me is the lack of reaction from the players to the poor performances this is down to the manager. Disagree. The 11 the manager picked and the way he set them up today battered Wigan for 25 mins. It went south very quickly when we lost our heads. That’s not something the manager can do an awful lot about within 5 minutes when he’s not on the pitch and it’s a mental issue which will take time to sort itself out. I think it is very much down to the manager he should be forging that sense of confidence within the club and omitting players whose confidence is clearly shot.If he doesn't we are always going to be skating on very thin ice like an England cricket team waiting for that collapse that follows a couple of quick wickets |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 22:43:21 GMT
We simply have lack of people that actually know how to kick a football.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 22, 2018 22:45:32 GMT
Bollocks..... Confidence is the difference between a striker netting 22 per season and netting 4 Not confidence effecting a whole team half of which were either not here last year or dont want to be here this year, its afresh start and a fresh season Other teams have hit the ground running there's fuck all wrong with west Brom or swanseas confidence or villas who failed at the final hurdle Stop making excuses for them, it's a lack of ability and the wrong tactics Its not one or the other, its everything, lack of ability combined with zero confidence and you get what happened tonight. |
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Post by gutreaction on Aug 22, 2018 22:53:35 GMT
Totally agree We are going to be in a battle to stay in this league Things have moved on and top half of the championship is just as good as bottom half of the Prem, so why are we so surprised that we are struggling! We struggled last season and so we are again. On top of that we are seen as a trophy so teams raise their game. Mark my words we will have to fight to stay in this league. A Trophy? That excuse of a beer was a better Trophy, give over yourselves, it is this arrogance which is doing you down |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 22:53:51 GMT
Confidence is THE biggest thing in football. A confident burton Albion beat a confidence shot Barcelona. We came out flying. As soon as we let a goal in the confidence goes through the floor and we collapse. It's happened for 2 years now. Wigan came out first 25 minutes and couldn't keep the ball on the pitch. They score and finish the game like Barcelona. Biggest thing in football. They are and I say this very loosely, supposed to be professional footballers most of whom have played in the best league in the world. They are not auditioning for the bloody X factor. In short if this is how shallow their talent is then they have been pinching a living for years. Professionals stand up and be counted not run and hide. Mummy's little boy runs and hides, not grown men who are paid a fortune to do a job. If that's the best they can do I'll bloody play as at least for 5 minutes before I have a coronary I'll show the fans what passion is as I'd be proud to play and leave NOTHING in the dressing room. F**k me I'd be so happy I'd be singing Delilah while I was playing. My first touch would be a shot on goal from any range just to get the fans going. They'd be singing "we've got fat bald bastard on the wing on the wing" I wouldn't even mind when you lot rated me a big FAT zero. It's most peoples dream to play for Stoke, It's better than sex *if you were almost there Sal. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 22:58:02 GMT
Stoke were top class when I started watching them back in 1908. They won 3 in a row to go top by beating Blackpool, Sheffield and Preston.
A lot of ups and downs watching them. There is life in these legs yet so hoping to get a few more games in.
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Post by ElworthPotter on Aug 22, 2018 22:59:54 GMT
Disagree. The 11 the manager picked and the way he set them up today battered Wigan for 25 mins. It went south very quickly when we lost our heads. That’s not something the manager can do an awful lot about within 5 minutes when he’s not on the pitch and it’s a mental issue which will take time to sort itself out. I think it is very much down to the manager he should be forging that sense of confidence within the club and omitting players whose confidence is clearly shot.If he doesn't we are always going to be skating on very thin ice like an England cricket team waiting for that collapse that follows a couple of quick wickets You make it sound so easy to just “forge that sense of confidence” and get players like ours suddenly playing out of their skins again when they haven’t under the previous 2 managers over a period of almost 2 years. |
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Post by northantsash on Aug 22, 2018 23:00:00 GMT
Confidence is huge and a win will make a big difference as the confidence in their own ability will come back to some of the better players.
Problem is we have too many individuals walking into the team because there is no genuine competition for their place.... Butland, Shawcross, Pieters, Fletcher, Afobe, Maclean all being utter garbage in 4 games.
Shawcross is no leader and inspires no confidence in teammates or fans alike because he is a liability and has been for 2 years. When that is the tone set from the top you are in trouble.
Big changes needed for the next game and i would give 2 or 3 youngsters a shot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 23:03:06 GMT
The biggest show of it was in Joe and Fletcher tonight. They were terrified of getting the ball after it went 2-0.
Whenever our defence had it, both of them would cower behind a hull player and not show for it.
The difference a player like the lad from brentford would make is immense.
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Post by mozzer on Aug 22, 2018 23:20:06 GMT
The biggest show of it was in Joe and Fletcher tonight. They were terrified of getting the ball after it went 2-0. Whenever our defence had it, both of them would cower behind a hull player and not show for it. The difference a player like the lad from brentford would make is immense. Hull?? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 23:25:21 GMT
The biggest show of it was in Joe and Fletcher tonight. They were terrified of getting the ball after it went 2-0. Whenever our defence had it, both of them would cower behind a hull player and not show for it. The difference a player like the lad from brentford would make is immense. Hull?? Meant to say Wigan. |
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Post by mozzer on Aug 23, 2018 12:09:28 GMT
Confidence is huge and a win will make a big difference as the confidence in their own ability will come back to some of the better players. Problem is we have too many individuals walking into the team because there is no genuine competition for their place.... Butland, Shawcross, Pieters, Fletcher, Afobe, Maclean all being utter garbage in 4 games. Shawcross is no leader and inspires no confidence in teammates or fans alike because he is a liability and has been for 2 years. When that is the tone set from the top you are in trouble. Big changes needed for the next game and i would give 2 or 3 youngsters a shot. Correct, Just like it did after we beat Huddersfield 20th Jan 2017, we never looked back after that result with confidence running high through the squad with back to back wins against..... Oh hold on, we went on to win one more game from that day in January until now, yeah I think you may be expecting a little much of them Just let this sink in...... In the 2015/16 season we won 14 league games Out of them 14 games we won 8 at home and 6 away In the 2016/17 season we won 11 league games Out of them 11 games we won 7 at home and 4 away In the 17/18 holocaust of a season we won 7 league games Out of them 7 games we won 5 at home and 2 away So far 2018/19 we have won no league games at all Since the begining of the 16/17 season we have won a total of 12 games at home, thats 4 more in two and a bit years than we won in all of the preceding season, two full seasons and a month in to the 3rd season in a lower league and we have won 4 more than we won over the preceding season.....12 games in two and a bit years is pathetic but the worst stat and the one that tips it over the edge is ......... We won our second home game Of the season against Southampton at the end of september 17, Since the beginning of October 2017 we have won a grand total of 3 home league games, 3 games won in front of their main contingent of paying fans and they wonder why stoke fans are pulling their hair out with the shit and corresponding results and success being served up. 3 games in as good as 11 months, pathetic!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 23:39:08 GMT
That, mozzer, is a disgrace in anyone's view. I'm really sorry to say this, but fans should give them what they deserve, and not go. This shower is giving us nothing. Give them nothing. No support. The shower of shite!
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 24, 2018 0:04:08 GMT
Pay per confidence I say
No confidence = No Pay
Low confidence, low pay
Full of confidence, full pay
I still say they are a shower of shit guess what I'd setup in the dressing rooms.
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Post by harrysburrow on Aug 24, 2018 7:54:35 GMT
The opening post is spot on and just emphasises yet again how footballers live in another dimension thanks to heads I win tails you lose contracts.
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Post by Royal Donut on Aug 24, 2018 11:10:10 GMT
The opening post is spot on and just emphasises yet again how footballers live in another dimension thanks to heads I win tails you lose contracts. With all our millions one thing you can't buy is confidence. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Aug 24, 2018 11:15:50 GMT
Confidence is THE biggest thing in football. A confident burton Albion beat a confidence shot Barcelona. We came out flying. As soon as we let a goal in the confidence goes through the floor and we collapse. It's happened for 2 years now. Wigan came out first 25 minutes and couldn't keep the ball on the pitch. They score and finish the game like Barcelona. Biggest thing in football. Agree. If Afobes offside goal had stood it would have been a different game If my aunty had bollocks she'd be my uncle. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 24, 2018 11:26:01 GMT
I don't think they are deliberately shit, nobody chooses to be shit (apart from ndiaye).
However I do think they have lost confidence in each other and themselves, I'd like a clean sweep across the back for a few games for this reason.
I get the impression with Allen he is as honest as the day is long and has lost all faith in our backline & is bemused with his lack lustre team mates. It's affecting his own game to the point he's become a headless chicken chasing everything.
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Post by kristoff on Aug 24, 2018 11:32:56 GMT
Alan Smith ( ex arsenal) was just on talkSPORT talking about confidence.
As he says, if you have no confidence even controlling a ball is nigh on impossible, some players never have that problem, some do. However we talk about it, be it right or wrong they have 0 confidence atm, (same with Sterling at the WC).
The toxic atmosphere doesn’t help, be it in the club, at the stadium and all over the internet (here especially).
We have always been a fickle bunch (which always makes me laugh when we demand players bleed for us, but fuck up once and they are as good as dead to most) then moan that our board/staff players really can’t be bothered and don’t listen. None of it helps confidence, and to say confidence is irrelevant kinda sums up the mentality of some on here
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Aug 24, 2018 14:57:19 GMT
Bollocks..... Confidence is the difference between a striker netting 22 per season and netting 4 Parklife |
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