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Post by werrington on Aug 23, 2018 12:06:53 GMT
Total capitulation, players falling out, manager questioning senior player attitudes and serious supporter unrest and it’s all come to a head
Is it just what was needed ?
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Aug 23, 2018 12:13:42 GMT
Don't think we're in 7-0 to Blues, storming the Waddington Suite territory just yet. However, it won't take many more instances of last night's debacle before we see history repeating itself.
Somebody needs to get a grip of the situation.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 23, 2018 12:15:46 GMT
Total capitulation, players falling out, manager questioning senior player attitudes and serious supporter unrest and it’s all come to a head Is it just what was needed ? Think a couple of wins is just what we need mate  |
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Post by lloydcolesguitar on Aug 23, 2018 12:17:57 GMT
Total capitulation, players falling out, manager questioning senior player attitudes and serious supporter unrest and it’s all come to a head Is it just what was needed ? Think a couple of wins is just what we need mate We have been saying that since January though TC |
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Post by goonyoustoke on Aug 23, 2018 12:20:16 GMT
Total capitulation, players falling out, manager questioning senior player attitudes and serious supporter unrest and it’s all come to a head Is it just what was needed ? Last night was the spoon that rattled the tonsils silly! Hope GR has all the players' tonsils removed after that performance. If he doesn't, he clearly has absolutely no camel's spine and HAS TO go. |
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Post by maliciousdamage on Aug 23, 2018 12:20:23 GMT
On paper we should beat Hull but I noticed they won on Tues away at Rotherham. I’d love to know what the board are thinking right now.
I’d make the Huddersfield match free for season ticket holders and a £10/£5 kids for non holders they need to try to keep fans on board.
If we draw or lose to Hull and lose to Huddersfield I think we are in serious trouble and they will have to take a serious look at the situation regarding Rowett
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 12:20:49 GMT
Hopefully, at least in that the starting XI should be very different come saturday. Removing Allen and Fletcher would help us no end.
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Post by VolvicStokie on Aug 23, 2018 12:24:42 GMT
On paper we should beat Hull but I noticed they won on Tues away at Rotherham. I’d love to know what the board are thinking right now. I’d make the Huddersfield match free for season ticket holders and a £10/£5 kids for non holders they need to try to keep fans on board. If we draw or lose to Hull and lose to Huddersfield I think we are in serious trouble and they will have to take a serious look at the situation regarding Rowett What situation regarding Rowett? Stevie Wonder could see that the issue isn't the new manager and his staff, it's the club that's absolutely rotten and to many people are coasting on lovely fat wages stealing a living. Rowett will be the one that faces the music ultimately but how many managers to you throw at a job like this before you realise it's not the manager(s) that are the problem its the clown behind the scenes pulling strings and leaving us with a huge wage bill and millions upon millions of pounds of transfers on shite. |
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Post by Veritas on Aug 23, 2018 12:26:02 GMT
Hopefully, at least in that the starting XI should be very different come saturday. Removing Allen and Fletcher would help us no end. How can it be very different? What starting XI is going to take Saturday's game by the scruff of the neck and stamp their authority on it rom the start? I am not saying we don't need significant changes but can't for the life of me see how that will be made to happen three after that performance when the management and players have failed miserably to get any response to the previous three dreadful performances, ok two dreadful one mediocre. Simply listing all the players that were not involved in last night's debacle is not an answer. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 23, 2018 12:26:08 GMT
We can moan and groan all we want but I dont see a way out of it.
Only 2 loan slots left and 7 days to the end of the window
Completely unbalanced squad ( No back-up wingers, 179 central midfielders)
Losing mentality with no confidence
Not physically ready or fit enough
Tried 3 different formations and none work
Spent over 40M already and on course for massive losses
3 different managers in 8 months
Current manager looks like a TP lite
Transfer twins sitting pretty
I think we are going to have to grin and bear it. We can storm the exec boxes but to what effect? Even if Scholes & Cartwright are sacked now it is too late and we have the likes of Berahino and Imbula contracted to us for the next 4 years.
This season is already a write-off, and next season we will be fucked financially.
We havent reached rock bottom yet but we can only head in one direction over the next 3 or 4 years until we clear the decks and start afresh. The long-term impacts of our bad transfer dealings PLUS relegation could take a decade to overcome. Time for everyone to wake up and smell the coffee
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Post by Absolution on Aug 23, 2018 12:26:22 GMT
Hopefully, at least in that the starting XI should be very different come saturday. Removing Allen and Fletcher would help us no end. Removing Allen previously might not have been the done thing with all the trumpet blowing that accompanied his signing of the new contract. I think his form and our situation now make it a lot easier for the removal to happen. It's probably still unlikely, but we're approaching 'nothing to lose' territory at the moment. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 23, 2018 12:26:24 GMT
Think a couple of wins is just what we need mate We have been saying that since January though TC After 15 mins last night I thought we were going to spank them, never thought an hour later Wigan would be toying with us!!! I'd like to see what a win would do to subsequent performances but it might be just papering over the cracks |
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Post by thevoid on Aug 23, 2018 12:30:58 GMT
Sacking Rowett's like moving the deckchairs around on the Titanic.
Whilst Rowett isn't my ideal choice as manager, the problems are higher up the ladder.
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Post by mozzer on Aug 23, 2018 12:31:38 GMT
Total capitulation, players falling out, manager questioning senior player attitudes and serious supporter unrest and it’s all come to a head Is it just what was needed ? Tell you what mate, we followed them through some shitty times with performances and politics but this is different, this time around it's more worrying, there are no excuses for this and what is going on, we never had money to compete with the big clubs when we have been in the lower leagues but this time it's different, they can't compete with our new wealth yet it has counted for nothing. Big changes and bold people required right now or we will be back to a position where we both started our journey, not a clue what the answer is mate but i guess Rowett has to stop, not sure what else though im as clueless as them but its all wrong at the mo, this has the feeling of hughes last week in charge and hull could be Rowetts coventry. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 23, 2018 12:36:41 GMT
You would hope the owners sat in their seats and finally thought WTF is going on, how the hell have we arrived at this position and how do we restore pride and ambition
There is no doubt that the management of the Club (off the pitch) has, and continues to be a significant factor in our downfall and continued demise.
There has to be a root and branch review of the so called recruitment process. Quantity of quality in the name of sustainability has been and remains a failure
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 12:37:42 GMT
Hopefully, at least in that the starting XI should be very different come saturday. Removing Allen and Fletcher would help us no end. How can it be very different? What starting XI is going to take Saturday's game by the scruff of the neck and stamp their authority on it rom the start? I am not saying we don't need significant changes but can't for the life of me see how that will be made to happen three after that performance when the management and players have failed miserably to get any response to the previous three dreadful performances, ok two dreadful one mediocre. Simply listing all the players that were not involved in last night's debacle is not an answer. A change in midfield mainly. Playing players who want to get on the ball rather than shy away from it would make a huge difference. |
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Post by Veritas on Aug 23, 2018 12:41:43 GMT
How can it be very different? What starting XI is going to take Saturday's game by the scruff of the neck and stamp their authority on it rom the start? I am not saying we don't need significant changes but can't for the life of me see how that will be made to happen three after that performance when the management and players have failed miserably to get any response to the previous three dreadful performances, ok two dreadful one mediocre. Simply listing all the players that were not involved in last night's debacle is not an answer. A change in midfield mainly. Playing players who want to get on the ball rather than shy away from it would make a huge difference. And given the current malaise within the squad as a whole who are they? Ince is likley to be out anyway so let's drop Allen, Fletcher, McLean and replace them with........... |
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Post by werrington on Aug 23, 2018 12:42:31 GMT
Total capitulation, players falling out, manager questioning senior player attitudes and serious supporter unrest and it’s all come to a head Is it just what was needed ? Tell you what mate, we followed them through some shitty times with performances and politics but this is different, this time around it's more worrying, there are no excuses for this and what is going on, we never had money to compete with the big clubs when we have been in the lower leagues but this time it's different, they can't compete with our new wealth yet it has counted for nothing. Big changes and bold people required right now or we will be back to a position where we both started our journey, not a clue what the answer is mate but i guess Rowett has to stop, not sure what else though im as clueless as them but its all wrong at the mo, this has the feeling of hughes last week in charge and hull could be Rowetts coventry. I was with you mate until you said about rowett being in Hughes territory He’s been left an utter shambles and seems to be trying to address them head on, personally I like him as he pulls no punches He’s way off the sack for me |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 12:45:53 GMT
A change in midfield mainly. Playing players who want to get on the ball rather than shy away from it would make a huge difference. And given the current malaise within the squad as a whole who are they? Ince is likley to be out anyway so let's drop Allen, Fletcher, McLean and replace them with........... Etebo with one of Cameron/Sorensen/Clucas if fit. replace McClean and Ince with two from Bojan/Diouf/Bauer/Verlinden/Saido. Honestly I'd consider 343. Butland Cuco Souttar Pieters(BMI if fit) Bauer Etebo Cameron McClean Bojan Berahino Afobe |
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Post by longthrowstokie on Aug 23, 2018 12:47:09 GMT
I reckon the camel died long ago and the vultures have been having a free meal ever since.
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Post by maliciousdamage on Aug 23, 2018 12:48:07 GMT
On paper we should beat Hull but I noticed they won on Tues away at Rotherham. I’d love to know what the board are thinking right now. I’d make the Huddersfield match free for season ticket holders and a £10/£5 kids for non holders they need to try to keep fans on board. If we draw or lose to Hull and lose to Huddersfield I think we are in serious trouble and they will have to take a serious look at the situation regarding Rowett What situation regarding Rowett? Stevie Wonder could see that the issue isn't the new manager and his staff, it's the club that's absolutely rotten and to many people are coasting on lovely fat wages stealing a living. Rowett will be the one that faces the music ultimately but how many managers to you throw at a job like this before you realise it's not the manager(s) that are the problem its the clown behind the scenes pulling strings and leaving us with a huge wage bill and millions upon millions of pounds of transfers on shite. All that’s true but they backed him this window and clearly he ALSO is part of the problem the choices are: Coates sells, that takes time to find a buyer. They will ultimately want their own man in as manager they usually do even after a honeymoon period for the current one Coates axes Scholes/Cartwright and brings in a modern Director of Football and reasses the situation regarding Rowett ie can he get a tune out of these players until the next window and the new DOF moves out deadwood and brings in new young blood Coates axes Rowett says it was a mistake brings in a more senior type manager like Mick McCarthy or Alladyce/Moyes (suspect these two might not come or will be too expensive for Coates) They eventually rid the deadwood and hope the new senior manager mounts a promotion chart this or next season For what it’s worth I doubt he will do no. 2 as Scholes is too much of a friend That leave 1 and 3 I suspect it will be more like 3 You are right the top brass have been complacent greedy and have failed to move with the times and taken us fans for granted but as it’s a business it’s complicated to change things quickly unless it’s simply the manager. Make no mistake Rowett I suspect will say he was promised this and that and it don’t materialise and I’d believe that but there’s no denying he’s alienating senior players and his tactics and formations leave a lot to be desired it may be he’s better working at a club with workmanlike players and a smaller budget Whatever is to happen they have to get it right but not leave some kind of decision too long like they did with Hughes |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 23, 2018 12:49:21 GMT
You would hope the owners sat in their seats and finally thought WTF is going on, how the hell have we arrived at this position and how do we restore pride and ambition There is no doubt that the management of the Club (off the pitch) has, and continues to be a significant factor in our downfall and continued demise. There has to be a root and branch review of the so called recruitment process. Quantity of quality in the name of sustainability has been and remains a failure I kind of suspect that ... the owners sat in their seats and finally thought WTF is going on, how the hell have we arrived at this position and how do we restore pride and ambition to the club, erm, FOUR MONTHS AGO. And now here we are. |
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Post by maliciousdamage on Aug 23, 2018 12:50:49 GMT
Tell you what mate, we followed them through some shitty times with performances and politics but this is different, this time around it's more worrying, there are no excuses for this and what is going on, we never had money to compete with the big clubs when we have been in the lower leagues but this time it's different, they can't compete with our new wealth yet it has counted for nothing. Big changes and bold people required right now or we will be back to a position where we both started our journey, not a clue what the answer is mate but i guess Rowett has to stop, not sure what else though im as clueless as them but its all wrong at the mo, this has the feeling of hughes last week in charge and hull could be Rowetts coventry. I was with you mate until you said about rowett being in Hughes territory He’s been left an utter shambles and seems to be trying to address them head on, personally I like him as he pulls no punches He’s way off the sack for me That’s exactly what Rowett wants you to believe Werrington he’s a great ‘talker’ his body language of going to and from the dug out and sitting on his arse during the second half last night told me all I need to know he’s out of his depth turning this around. I hope he proves me wrong but my gut says he can’t do it |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 23, 2018 12:52:40 GMT
Saturday will tell us a lot. If we get a similar Bournemouth style reaction after that Man City dicking last season then nothing has changed and we're as fucked as we've ever been.
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Post by mozzer on Aug 23, 2018 12:54:10 GMT
Tell you what mate, we followed them through some shitty times with performances and politics but this is different, this time around it's more worrying, there are no excuses for this and what is going on, we never had money to compete with the big clubs when we have been in the lower leagues but this time it's different, they can't compete with our new wealth yet it has counted for nothing. Big changes and bold people required right now or we will be back to a position where we both started our journey, not a clue what the answer is mate but i guess Rowett has to stop, not sure what else though im as clueless as them but its all wrong at the mo, this has the feeling of hughes last week in charge and hull could be Rowetts coventry. I was with you mate until you said about rowett being in Hughes territory He’s been left an utter shambles and seems to be trying to address them head on, personally I like him as he pulls no punches He’s way off the sack for me 100% way off sack today mate, but the wave of apathy and the volume of discontent in the support is growing and depending on the crowds reaction over the next couple of weeks will decide his fate not the boards loyalty, traditionally crowds turning on the owners get managers the sack not results or performances |
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Post by Veritas on Aug 23, 2018 13:00:37 GMT
I was with you mate until you said about rowett being in Hughes territory He’s been left an utter shambles and seems to be trying to address them head on, personally I like him as he pulls no punches He’s way off the sack for me 100% way off sack today mate, but the wave of apathy and the volume of discontent in the support is growing and depending on the crowds reaction over the next couple of weeks will decide his fate not the boards loyalty, traditionally crowds turning on the owners get managers the sack not results or performances I am not so sure, he has failed to get any reaction or response from the players to the dreadful start other than an increase in the fear of having the responsibility of wanting ball and an increase in blaming each other and falling out. This looks ominously like a poison spreading which needs radical and quick surgery. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 23, 2018 13:02:43 GMT
You would hope the owners sat in their seats and finally thought WTF is going on, how the hell have we arrived at this position and how do we restore pride and ambition There is no doubt that the management of the Club (off the pitch) has, and continues to be a significant factor in our downfall and continued demise. There has to be a root and branch review of the so called recruitment process. Quantity of quality in the name of sustainability has been and remains a failure I kind of suspect that ... the owners sat in their seats and finally thought WTF is going on, how the hell have we arrived at this position and how do we restore pride and ambition to the club, erm, FOUR MONTHS AGO. And now here we are. Paul. As normal we stayed until the final whistle to witness an almost empty stadium, there was no clapping (nor should there be) from “anyone” which is extremely rare. You, as would the owners have witnessed a significant reduction in attendance, silence for long spells during the games, booing and ironic clapping for a substitution and of cause a shambolic performance. I honestly believe the owners thought a little bit of tinkering and public statements would suffice. If last night wasn’t a massive wake up call I’m not sure what would be Here’s hoping |
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Post by metalhead on Aug 23, 2018 13:04:24 GMT
If it was, then something would happen? Teflon Tony would be gone.... or Rowett would have the players marching through the city apologising to people or something equally 'out there'. What I've seen is Rowett blame himself and then everyone at the club just move on..... while the fans feel the pain.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 23, 2018 13:11:28 GMT
I kind of suspect that ... the owners sat in their seats and finally thought WTF is going on, how the hell have we arrived at this position and how do we restore pride and ambition to the club, erm, FOUR MONTHS AGO. And now here we are. Paul. As normal we stayed until the final whistle to witness an almost empty stadium, there was no clapping (nor should there be) from “anyone” which is extremely rare. You, as would the owners have witnessed a significant reduction in attendance, silence for long spells during the games, booing and ironic clapping for a substitution and of cause a shambolic performance. I honestly believe the owners thought a little bit of tinkering and public statements would suffice. If last night wasn’t a massive wake up call I’m not sure what would be Here’s hoping Maybe my point was too subtle. They've had the wake-up call already, relegation and all the financial implications that accompany it, WAS the wake-up call. They can't be any more wake-up called than they already have been and THIS (what we're seeing now) is the best they could come up with as a response. It doesn't matter how many "wake-up calls" happen, if the person in bed next to the alarm clock doesn't ever know what to do. |
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Post by lloydcolesguitar on Aug 23, 2018 13:13:34 GMT
We have been saying that since January though TC After 15 mins last night I thought we were going to spank them, never thought an hour later Wigan would be toying with us!!! I'd like to see what a win would do to subsequent performances but it might be just papering over the cracks Struggle with midweek games TC (live in North Wales - hate driving) so gave my card away Signed up to iFollow and the club couldnt even sort that for me Listened on Sig2 (fair effort by them in fairness) and was very heartened. Then ......... Just where is next win coming from ? |
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