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Post by knowingeye on Aug 23, 2018 12:48:19 GMT
"Now we are the masters of our fate; that the task which has been set us is not above our strength; that its pangs and toils are not beyond our endurance. As long as we have faith in our cause and an unconquerable will-power, salvation will not be denied us." Winston Churchill 1942
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Post by callas12 on Aug 23, 2018 13:08:00 GMT
Vis Unita Fortior - United Strength Is Stronger..
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Post by mozzer on Aug 23, 2018 13:09:36 GMT
So what you implying, fans should just lap up the shit being served up and be happy about it in the name of harmony and unity, doing so will sort out the issues and mess
Please do go on
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Post by stroller on Aug 23, 2018 13:11:52 GMT
"Now we are the masters of our fate; that the task which has been set us is not above our strength; that its pangs and toils are not beyond our endurance. As long as we have faith in our cause and an unconquerable will-power, salvation will not be denied us." Winston Churchill 1942 "Give me Spitfires." Herman Goring |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 13:12:12 GMT
So what you implying, fans should just lap up the shit being served up and be happy about it in the name of harmony and unity, doing so will sort out the issues and mess Please do go on Fans should be behind the team for as long as possible during the game. Against Hull, it should be a rousing start helping the team try and turn the form around. Doubt it'll happen though. |
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Post by DC1863 on Aug 23, 2018 13:12:48 GMT
The fans are more or less unified, in their disdain for the board and general ineptitude of the club over the past 3 years.
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Post by callas12 on Aug 23, 2018 13:33:36 GMT
Fans made it clear last night that their not happy & things have got to change.. The press have picked up on numerous elements of it, Rowett even touched on it in aftermatch interviews too, so the powers that be will be fully aware that fans aren't happy as they shouldn't be themselves either.
But what do we do as fans, start the Hull game off in the negative frame of mind we left the Wigan game with..? Not a good idea..
We need to get behind the team now as their confidence is shattered anyway so I really see it that together we need to try & regroup and try to turn this situation around..
Recall Villa fans were booing Villa at the start of last season and some were calling for Bruce's head. Look how they clicked and made it to the play off final, narrowly missing out on promotion. Where were them booing fans at Wembley pre kick off, probably singing their hearts out in anticipation.. Bad starts happen, its how you regroup and improve things that should be judged on.
Yes if things don't improve they'll be a time the screw needs turning but we're only 4x games in and it's too early for fans to throw the towel in just yet..
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Post by enuntio on Aug 23, 2018 14:00:31 GMT
"Now we are the masters of our fate; that the task which has been set us is not above our strength; that its pangs and toils are not beyond our endurance. As long as we have faith in our cause and an unconquerable will-power, salvation will not be denied us." Winston Churchill 1942 Nail it on the players changing room wall |
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Post by Onneravineet on Aug 23, 2018 14:05:25 GMT
No, I think that the OP is implying that unity has many strengths and benefits. Plus united strength is stronger.
What Churchy isn't saying is that blind followership is worse than bad leadership. Ergo, if we stay united with OUR team and call a spade a spade then a shit manager will be foxtrotted orf...
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Post by liamo on Aug 23, 2018 14:08:17 GMT
Hard to have unity or any sort of connection with a team full of money grabbing mercenaries that wouldn't give a flying dog turd if Stoke and the surrounding areas fell off the face of the earth
Beyond "Hi Mr agent, is my contract still valid? Falling off the face of the earth doesn't void it does it?" That is
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 23, 2018 14:17:59 GMT
"Now we are the masters of our fate; that the task which has been set us is not above our strength; that its pangs and toils are not beyond our endurance. As long as we have faith in our cause and an unconquerable will-power, salvation will not be denied us." Winston Churchill 1942 "Give me Spitfires." Herman Goring You’ll win nothing with a bunch of over paid over hyped inept pathetic oxygen thieves Masquerading as alleged professionals Wagsastokie |
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 23, 2018 14:23:29 GMT
"Now we are the masters of our fate; that the task which has been set us is not above our strength; that its pangs and toils are not beyond our endurance. As long as we have faith in our cause and an unconquerable will-power, salvation will not be denied us." Winston Churchill 1942 Winston Churchill didn't just fucking sit there and let England get fucking bombed and blitzed and then go 'I don't know what all the fuss is about'. |
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Post by mrred on Aug 23, 2018 14:31:35 GMT
So what you implying, fans should just lap up the shit being served up and be happy about it in the name of harmony and unity, doing so will sort out the issues and mess Please do go on Fans should be behind the team for as long as possible during the game. Against Hull, it should be a rousing start helping the team try and turn the form around. Doubt it'll happen though. They've had over 2 and a half years to get their house in order. Instead they've allowed the ship to continually sink. Nothing will change. It's about time supporters started showing their teeth. Lambert got no end of support to rally them. Where did it get us? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 15:06:29 GMT
Fans should be behind the team for as long as possible during the game. Against Hull, it should be a rousing start helping the team try and turn the form around. Doubt it'll happen though. They've had over 2 and a half years to get their house in order. Instead they've allowed the ship to continually sink. Nothing will change. It's about time supporters started showing their teeth. Lambert got no end of support to rally them. Where did it get us? We need the players to have confidence. They're not going to get that from us starting off booing on saturday, are they? Show dissent after games, but not during. The important thing during the game is that the players have the best environment to play well. That said, when we were 3-0 down, fair enough cheering when fletcher went off etc. |
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Post by localloser on Aug 23, 2018 15:11:58 GMT
"Now we are the masters of our fate; that the task which has been set us is not above our strength; that its pangs and toils are not beyond our endurance. As long as we have faith in our cause and an unconquerable will-power, salvation will not be denied us." Winston Churchill 1942 Nail it on the players changing room wall Half the buggers wouldn't understand it and the other half would leave it to the rest "Unconquerable will=power"? Saw little of that last bloody night  |
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Post by mrred on Aug 23, 2018 15:15:31 GMT
They've had over 2 and a half years to get their house in order. Instead they've allowed the ship to continually sink. Nothing will change. It's about time supporters started showing their teeth. Lambert got no end of support to rally them. Where did it get us? We need the players to have confidence. They're not going to get that from us starting off booing on saturday, are they? Show dissent after games, but not during. The important thing during the game is that the players have the best environment to play well. That said, when we were 3-0 down, fair enough cheering when fletcher went off etc. i'm not saying boo them from the off. The time for pussyfooting round them has gone. They've had long enough, even through relegation. It's time they started being accountable. That goes for the players and the shithouses in the directors box. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 23, 2018 15:19:45 GMT
"Now we are the masters of our fate; that the task which has been set us is not above our strength; that its pangs and toils are not beyond our endurance. As long as we have faith in our cause and an unconquerable will-power, salvation will not be denied us." Winston Churchill 1942 Nice sentiment, but if Churchill had the setup we have, we'd have battering rams instead of tanks and clubs instead of Lee Enfields and Sopwith Camels instead of Hurricanes. Passion from fans is great, and to be honest I think we've been quite patient considering we've been in terminal decline for 18 months, but support cannot fix a fundamentally broken and rotten system. Following blindly is as bad as not following at all. Happy clapping is going to solve absolutely nothing. |
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Post by richardparker on Aug 23, 2018 15:20:33 GMT
It's got to be worth a try ... even for the most negative out there.
There's no magic wand! Some of the suggested solutions ... (I keep seeing 'get big Sam in') are not going to happen.
It's time for everybody to pull together as one.
Definitely the players and manager ... but fans need to encourage. It may get reciprocated with a bit of desire and willingness to push on.
We can only hope, as there isn't really any alternative in the short-term.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 15:22:55 GMT
We need the players to have confidence. They're not going to get that from us starting off booing on saturday, are they? Show dissent after games, but not during. The important thing during the game is that the players have the best environment to play well. That said, when we were 3-0 down, fair enough cheering when fletcher went off etc. I'll have to disagree. The time for pussyfooting round them has gone. They've had long enough, even through relegation. It's time they started being accountable. Is it pussyfooting round them to help the team try and win? Like I say, if the game is going shite and we've basically lost, fair enough. After the game, fair enough. But while it's going on, may as well try and win. |
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Post by stokesupporter on Aug 23, 2018 15:23:30 GMT
Increase unity by signing ROBERT HUTH, who is currently a free agent. He is better than Williams anyway and can score too.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 23, 2018 15:27:01 GMT
It's got to be worth a try ... even for the most negative out there. There's no magic wand! Some of the suggested solutions ... (I keep seeing 'get big Sam in') are not going to happen. It's time for everybody to pull together as one. Definitely the players and manager ... but fans need to encourage. It may get reciprocated with a bit of desire and willingness to push on. We can only hope, as there isn't really any alternative in the short-term. You could literally have posted this 2 years ago, and it wouldn't look out of place. That's how long we've been absolutely shite for. The club needs a "major overhaul". We as fans, can't make Darren Fletcher run faster through shouting. He needs replacing, like 50-70% of the squad, and that's the fundamental issue. No matter how loud we support or how much we clap, we can't make players better than they are unless they are playing a coherent system. It's been like this for 2 long long years, the board acknowledged the issue in the summer and then did nothing, and people are pacified because of the words "overhaul" despite nothing happening. |
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Post by localloser on Aug 23, 2018 15:27:03 GMT
It's got to be worth a try ... even for the most negative out there. There's no magic wand! Some of the suggested solutions ... (I keep seeing 'get big Sam in') are not going to happen. It's time for everybody to pull together as one. Definitely the players and manager ... but fans need to encourage. It may get reciprocated with a bit of desire and willingness to push on. We can only hope, as there isn't really any alternative in the short-term. Well in fairness I thought the atmosphere last night was pretty positive for the first 20 minutes until it all turned to shit. The players got a decent reception when they came out (although that bloody announcer must change his embarrassing script). The supporters only became unhappy when the performance disintegrated. But no supporters can be happy watching that shitshow, and they've paid their money and are entitled to have an opinion - and to voice it. However, I never have, and never would boo any player wearing a Stoke City shirt - but that's just me. I don't presume to tell others what to do. |
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Post by mrred on Aug 23, 2018 15:33:00 GMT
I'll have to disagree. The time for pussyfooting round them has gone. They've had long enough, even through relegation. It's time they started being accountable. Is it pussyfooting round them to help the team try and win? Like I say, if the game is going shite and we've basically lost, fair enough. After the game, fair enough. But while it's going on, may as well try and win. I'm not saying turn on the negative atmosphere before the match starts, though I would like to see some verbal grief directed at Scholes and Cartwright. But it'd make no difference to these lot if there were 50,000 cheering them on or if the stadium was empty. The level of support they had under Lambert was exceptional, and largely unwarranted. It made a fat lot of difference other than the players coming out with the same empty platitudes they peddle out now. I don't know how supporters can be expected to be the ones to carry the team after the last 2 years of piss poor and unacceptable performances. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 23, 2018 15:34:59 GMT
Is it pussyfooting round them to help the team try and win? Like I say, if the game is going shite and we've basically lost, fair enough. After the game, fair enough. But while it's going on, may as well try and win. I'm not saying turn on the negative atmosphere before the match starts, though I would like to see some verbal grief directed at Scholes and Cartwright. But it'd make no difference to these lot if there were 50,000 cheering them on or if the stadium was empty. The level of support they had under Lambert was exceptional, and largely unwarranted. It made a fat lot of difference other than the players coming out with the same empty platitudes they peddle out now. I don't know how supporters can be expected to be the ones to carry the team after the last 2 years of piss poor and unacceptable performances. Go back to 2016 on this board mate, you'll find threads like this littering the site for the next 24 months. If a car is broken down, shouting at it doesn't fix it. You buy a new motor. |
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Post by mrred on Aug 23, 2018 15:37:41 GMT
I'm not saying turn on the negative atmosphere before the match starts, though I would like to see some verbal grief directed at Scholes and Cartwright. But it'd make no difference to these lot if there were 50,000 cheering them on or if the stadium was empty. The level of support they had under Lambert was exceptional, and largely unwarranted. It made a fat lot of difference other than the players coming out with the same empty platitudes they peddle out now. I don't know how supporters can be expected to be the ones to carry the team after the last 2 years of piss poor and unacceptable performances. Go back to 2016 on this board mate, you'll find threads like this littering the site for the next 24 months. If a car is broken down, shouting at it doesn't fix it. You buy a new motor. That's a blunt but fair way of putting it  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 15:44:02 GMT
Is it pussyfooting round them to help the team try and win? Like I say, if the game is going shite and we've basically lost, fair enough. After the game, fair enough. But while it's going on, may as well try and win. I'm not saying turn on the negative atmosphere before the match starts, though I would like to see some verbal grief directed at Scholes and Cartwright. But it'd make no difference to these lot if there were 50,000 cheering them on or if the stadium was empty. The level of support they had under Lambert was exceptional, and largely unwarranted. It made a fat lot of difference other than the players coming out with the same empty platitudes they peddle out now. I don't know how supporters can be expected to be the ones to carry the team after the last 2 years of piss poor and unacceptable performances. I don't know why we'd want a toxic atmosphere at all to be honest. Get behind the players, if not the board, and hope we win. Don't have to carry them, but if they walk into a stadium where everyone is whining like a load of toddlers having tantrums the players will start the game in an awful frame of mind. |
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Post by neddy on Aug 23, 2018 17:27:35 GMT
Sometimes there needs to be truth and consequences!!!
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Post by knowingeye on Aug 25, 2018 16:17:17 GMT
“Success is the ability to go from failure to failure without losing your enthusiasm”
― Winston Churchill
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