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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 18, 2020 11:13:42 GMT
Lewis Collins of ‘The Professionals’ fame was once a contender to replace Pete Best in the Beatles.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 18, 2020 11:05:24 GMT
Amazing how many locals there were in that side. Farmer, Marsh, Pejic, Smith,Dodd, Haselgrave. Whats happened to local football. After some of the Stoke Youth team circa 84-86 graduated into the first team, I really struggle to recall any home grown players until Andy Griffin turned up. From what I can tell many football clubs have been making inroads into the potteries for school boy signings. What interests me is how clubs like Leeds and Southampton have been producing good Players for the last six decades.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 18, 2020 10:53:14 GMT
Buddy Guy at Glastonbury in 1992 sticks in my mind.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 18, 2020 10:09:49 GMT
Kofi Nyamah must be one of the poorest players in recent times. Bought off Kettering and looked non league in the games he played, just out of his depth. Predictably disappeared into obscurity after leaving Stoke. If you want a bad Stoke player, then you could fill your boots with those 1997-99 squads.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 18, 2020 10:01:27 GMT
Was that Hugh Johns commentating? My favourite ever, better than Motson, Davies and a trillion miles better than the crap we have to endure these days with the the likes of Tyldesly. This was the time I first recall football sticker albums and the strips. Fond memories. Yes Hugh Johns with his signature ‘One Nuffin!’ Catchphrase.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 18, 2020 9:50:06 GMT
Smart shirt with the black collar That was probably the most sober kit Admiral made in the 1970s. Surprising we didn’t get one like Sheffield United or Southampton. It definitely would have been a kitsch classic.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 18, 2020 9:47:22 GMT
Off the top of my head I think Luton put more goals past Stoke at the Vic then any other team in the 80s. 15 goals in four games 1982-85.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 18, 2020 9:41:41 GMT
Dudley Kernick’s lottery did provide the money for the Stoke End stand to be built. A similar lottery is still going to this day. As to the reasons, I don’t know, maybe there was a revenue gathering rationale at work. It may have been more simple to square away the top of the terrace and put a roof on like Sheffield Wednesday did.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 17, 2020 10:18:31 GMT
Desperately sad news. RIP Norman.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 16, 2020 20:46:05 GMT
Poor old Dave McAughtrie. Lived in a terraced house in Newcastle whilst being a squad member for a top league Stoke side, then disappears into obscurity in the Scottish lower leagues shortly after.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 16, 2020 20:35:26 GMT
Great record
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 16, 2020 17:40:44 GMT
That’s an interesting change that caught my eye too. Could this mean our local parks and pavements will be less packed and social distancing enhanced?
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 16, 2020 16:43:09 GMT
I remember Stoke playing in a kit that resembled items rescued from a charity shop. I remember disorder at Derby station. The somber silence as the train slowed for Stoke station, and fans staring at the Victoria Ground from the carriages in quiet contemplation.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 16, 2020 15:37:28 GMT
Absolutely brilliant vocal backing from the support that season. Does anyone remember the Millwall game that season for the atmosphere? Every time they came into our half it was ‘fuck off Millwall, fuck off Millwall’ just plain old skool hard atmosphere.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 15, 2020 19:28:01 GMT
I thought the victor’s determined history irrespective of what historians think. Seriously, if history is based on evidence why do historians disagree on so many matters? Because sometimes different pieces of evidence are contradictory. In the case of 1863, it isn't contradictory, it's just entirely absent. The few early references to 1863 - which is literally a couple of people remembering the event in ambiguous terms many years later - are demonstrably inaccurate, particularly in the case that two of the supposed founders would have been 13 years old at the time and attending the Charterhouse School in Surrey. As for media coverage, there were plenty of references to minor football events before and during the 1860s, such as kids being given a ball at a church, police ticking off kids for playing in the street and informal games being organised on parks and commons. But absolutely no reference whatsoever in contemporary local or national publications of the Potteries' only formal club, for five years. Nothing, not even a minor passing comment. Then suddenly in 1868 various publications made mention of "a new club formed this year" called Stoke Ramblers. The club themselves have even tried in the past to uncover some evidence for 1863 and failed... it might be unpalatable to us but it really is just a myth. As regards to how evidence is regarded, historians would happily use the spoken evidence for 1863 as a primary source despite it being years later. So For example if you watch ‘The World At War’ you may see spoken witness evidence, never written down before, but regarded as the truth. Tacitus the Roman Historian wrote about his father in law (the Roman general Agricola), many years after his exploits in Britain. Again, this work isn’t disregarded because it was put down decades after the event.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 15, 2020 19:18:20 GMT
Isn’t the 71 first teams games in the 71-72 season a Top flight record?
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 15, 2020 19:15:09 GMT
I love the stuff that I've read on here and take as gospel but can't find anywhere else. The FA's first office was in Stoke somewhere? Extra time was created because of a game involving us? The first game under floodlights? I may have made them up or someone on here has I believe the Football League had its first HQ in Etruria.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 14, 2020 19:31:03 GMT
What’s your opinion of Revie as England manager? Nobody will ever know whether Clough would have been a success. He was more successful than Revie at club level which doesn’t suggest he’d be a success as the national coach. Revie was a poor England manager. His methods couldn’t translate to international football. Domestically there wasn’t much between the two of them. But in Europe Clough eclipses Don. I think what was astonishing about Leeds, was how many times they came second. They seemed to push at all competitions equally, with the typically small squads of the day. They were certainly ‘done’ out of the ECWC in 73 and EC in 75. Without doubt should have won more. I think Clough spent more in one summer in 74 than Revie spent in the previous 13 years. When you look at Revie’s Scottish signings at schoolboy level and lower league (Jordan, McQueen), I think it’s fair to say not many did better than that for the money spent. If Revie had valued a top class goalkeeper like Clough and Waddo, then maybe things might have been different.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 12, 2020 19:30:56 GMT
Matt Haig @matthaig1 The U.K. now has 10,612 deaths to Germany’s 2,871. We had our first cases at the same time. The difference? While Germany scaled up testing and set up crisis response teams we were told to wash our hands and sing happy birthday. The response and strategy has been poor, and yet there seems to be compliance and approval of the government measures. Germany appears to be the model to follow.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 12, 2020 12:43:23 GMT
Kitten Kong flattening the Post Office Tower is a strangely memorable piece of 70s pop culture. RIP Tim.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 11, 2020 16:11:55 GMT
Still working although being furloughed is now on the cards.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 10, 2020 15:34:54 GMT
Get well soon Norman.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 8, 2020 5:54:18 GMT
Joseph Cook of Silverdale was Australia’s minister of defence before WW1 and regarded as one of the fathers of the Australian Navy.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 7, 2020 15:26:03 GMT
Some Plymouth fan believe they lost a generation of support to Man Utd because of that game. Man Utd fans are no more prevalent in Plymouth than they are anywhere else. As I remember though that night Argyle turned out in force to defend their territory against the threat of marauding Mancs and other hangers on. BM I lived in Plymouth for seven years and it is indeed the biggest glory hunting city in the country. But my old civvie janner mates did reckon the Man Utd game had the effect of siphoning support away from Argyle.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 7, 2020 4:20:41 GMT
They were ordered to play more than 250 miles from Manchester. Home Park at the time had a capacity of 38,000 or something like that in the good old days of vast terraces. BM Some Plymouth fan believe they lost a generation of support to Man Utd because of that game.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 6, 2020 16:10:58 GMT
Very saddened to hear this, a true 1960s icon.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 6, 2020 14:15:59 GMT
Luke McGowan of Ayr United (midfield) is highly rated. Might also be worth Looking at Scott Fraser from Burton who’s on a free this summer ( well he’s Scottish).
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 6, 2020 14:05:35 GMT
I was reading about Peter Shilton's career on Wikipedia after watching the game and came across this: ...in January 1976 a severe storm caused considerable damage to the Victoria Ground and to pay for the repair work Stoke had to sell off their playing staff... He remained with Stoke in 1976–77 and a young and inexperienced side suffered relegation to the Second Division. He was sold to Nottingham Forest in September 1977. It seems that storm damage had a huge effect on Stokes future. What would have happened if they didn't have to sell their best players? Surely they would have never been relegated the following season. Apparently we were heading for financial strife before the roof blew off. Banks were starting to demand loan repayments and that would have had to be raised somehow. The thing is we were down for two seasons and recovered quite quickly. Entirely correct, Barclays Bank were calling the loans in. As recently pointed out on this board the failure to have an FA cup run that season was a contributing factor, as well as missing out on playing in the UEFA cup. The storm damage was the straw that broke the camels back. The notion that the roof collapse was the catalyst for long term decline is wide of the mark.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 4, 2020 23:48:22 GMT
Stoke followed the Derby County Pattern of big spending. Derby got two titles, but we both declined. The ironic thing is, Liverpool and Man Utd spent peanuts on key players and prospered (Phil Neal, Jimmy Case, Kevin Keegan, Steve Coppell, Gordon Hill to name a few). Wasn't Gordon Hill signed from the NASL or am I thinking of Steve Hunt? I know Hunt played there before the 1st division. Edit- Just Googled he was on loan at Chicago Sting from Millwall. Could have swore was Detroit Express but may be Trevor Francis. I had an Express jersey as a kid. Signed from Millwall for £70,000.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 4, 2020 23:23:43 GMT
Spurs and Stoke were in decline at the time, after a good run and some success in the early !970's, Both teams got relegated the following season. Stoke followed the Derby County Pattern of big spending. Derby got two titles, but we both declined. The ironic thing is, Liverpool and Man Utd spent peanuts on key players and prospered (Phil Neal, Jimmy Case, Kevin Keegan, Steve Coppell, Gordon Hill to name a few).
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