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Post by wilcopotter on Apr 18, 2020 9:31:10 GMT
Watching the Stoke vLeeds thread made me think. Butler St stand (used to love standing in the Paddock as a kid) roof blew off not long after that, which wrecked the championship challenge because we had no money and had to sell players. Then 2 years later we built that stand.
Then to top it all, it was only used for 20 years before eventually being demolished after we moved ground.
Can anyone remember how we had the money and why it was built? I was only 12 back then. Just seems strange now.
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Post by Davef on Apr 18, 2020 9:34:36 GMT
Watching the Stoke vLeeds thread made me think. Butler St stand (used to love standing in the Paddock as a kid) roof blew off not long after that, which wrecked the championship challenge because we had no money and had to sell players. Then 2 years later we built that stand. Then to top it all, it was only used for 20 years before eventually being demolished after we moved ground. Can anyone remember how we had the money and why it was built? I was only 12 back then. Just seems strange now. It was mainly down to Dudley Kernick's efforts on the commercial side wasn't it? We had to build a stand regardless. The old Stoke End was falling down and eventually wouldn't have been given a safety certificate to open. |
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 18, 2020 9:41:41 GMT
Dudley Kernick’s lottery did provide the money for the Stoke End stand to be built. A similar lottery is still going to this day. As to the reasons, I don’t know, maybe there was a revenue gathering rationale at work. It may have been more simple to square away the top of the terrace and put a roof on like Sheffield Wednesday did.
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Post by lordb on Apr 18, 2020 10:02:22 GMT
Dudley Kernick’s lottery did provide the money for the Stoke End stand to be built. A similar lottery is still going to this day. As to the reasons, I don’t know, maybe there was a revenue gathering rationale at work. It may have been more simple to square away the top of the terrace and put a roof on like Sheffield Wednesday did. Think the Stoke end terrace was in poor state. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Apr 18, 2020 11:22:18 GMT
Didn't the construction of the Stoke End stand represent progress towards the full implementation of the Taylor report on ground safety. Full scale reconfiguration of the ground was later considered to be too expensive and the plans for a move to a new ground were put in place.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 18, 2020 11:28:30 GMT
Didn't the construction of the Stoke End stand (1992?) represent progress towards the full implementation of the Taylor report on ground safety. Full scale reconfiguration of the ground was later considered to be too expensive and the plans for a move to a new ground were put in place. The Stoke End stand was built in 1979. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Apr 18, 2020 12:48:44 GMT
Was a good stand. I would have had it all as home fans only and put away fans in Butler Street
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Post by lagwafis on Apr 18, 2020 12:57:08 GMT
Only ever sat in there once when we were allocated the top seating for the Autoglass semi-final against Peterborough.
Not the best of views if you were stuck on the back row, you couldn't see much above the top of the Boothen End crossbar.
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Post by Scouse on Apr 18, 2020 13:17:51 GMT
Can’t recall the cost of the new stand ( would need to include demolition cost of old end ) ..but seem to recall the Stoke End required a lot spending on it just on crush barriers to meet the then standards with no additional benefit to the club
It should be remembered the new stand was far more than seating , providing the space for much needed improved commercial opportunities , space for a police control room , space for secure ‘ holding ‘ areas for away fans post game and improved floodlighting ... using the space was far more than just knocking down the terrace
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Post by dealstokie08 on Apr 18, 2020 14:38:03 GMT
A little known fact for you all...
The stoke end stand was at the time, the newest stand to ever be demolished again when we moved the the Britt, then the North stand at Highbury held that 'record' when too it was demolished.
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Post by Davef on Apr 18, 2020 14:56:55 GMT
A little known fact for you all... The stoke end stand was at the time, the newest stand to ever be demolished again when we moved the the Britt, then the North stand at Highbury held that 'record' when too it was demolished. I think Leicester's main stand was only about 10 years old when they moved to their new stadium in 2002. |
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Post by werrington on Apr 18, 2020 15:13:01 GMT
A little known fact for you all... The stoke end stand was at the time, the newest stand to ever be demolished again when we moved the the Britt, then the North stand at Highbury held that 'record' when too it was demolished. I think Leicester's main stand was only about 10 years old when they moved to their new stadium in 2002. Don’t think the new two tier kippax at Manchester City was that old when they moved on or the main stand at West Ham |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 15:22:00 GMT
Was a good stand. I would have had it all as home fans only and put away fans in Butler Street We did exactly that for a period of the late 80's/early 90's, we used to go on the terrace quite regular. |
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Post by dealstokie08 on Apr 18, 2020 15:36:17 GMT
At the time folks :-) no idea from Highbury onwards....
18 years for a new stand to come and go was unheard of.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Apr 18, 2020 15:37:40 GMT
Was a good stand. I would have had it all as home fans only and put away fans in Butler Street We did exactly that for a period of the late 80's/early 90's, we used to go on the terrace quite regular. Yeah recall them doing it towards the end of the 92/93 season and also the Liverpool cup game in 88. It was a good terrace and you could get an atmosphere going at both ends |
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 18, 2020 16:26:27 GMT
A little known fact for you all... The stoke end stand was at the time, the newest stand to ever be demolished again when we moved the the Britt, then the North stand at Highbury held that 'record' when too it was demolished. I think Leicester's main stand was only about 10 years old when they moved to their new stadium in 2002. Filbert St was a strange old ground. Wasn’t that the one where you accessed the away end through a turnstile in a row of terraced houses? Only went once. |
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 18, 2020 18:23:01 GMT
Didn't the construction of the Stoke End stand (1992?) represent progress towards the full implementation of the Taylor report on ground safety. Full scale reconfiguration of the ground was later considered to be too expensive and the plans for a move to a new ground were put in place. The Stoke End stand was built in 1979. And some say the folks running our club don’t have foresight to plan for the future. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 18, 2020 21:29:51 GMT
At the time it was built it was all space age and cutting edge.
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Post by woodstein on Apr 18, 2020 21:35:44 GMT
Only ever sat in there once when we were allocated the top seating for the Autoglass semi-final against Peterborough. Not the best of views if you were stuck on the back row, you couldn't see much above the top of the Boothen End crossbar. So you missed most of Stokes efforts at that end?! 🤣 |
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Post by somersetstokie on Apr 19, 2020 7:48:40 GMT
For many years I stood at the top of the Stoke end, but later relocated to a favourite spot on the Boothen. I had a gap of a few years whilst working away and I get my dates confused, but I remember when I first saw the completed new end and I was quite impressed. We actually now had a ground that looked the business and the fact that we now had a stadium with stands on all four sides was actually to me a source of pride, and Stoke were on the up. It seemed at the time to be something of a status symbol, before football grounds in general started to change into the new purpose built super stadia.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 19, 2020 8:05:23 GMT
Random picture of the stand under construction.  |
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Post by StaffordPotter on Apr 19, 2020 8:22:43 GMT
Random picture of the stand under construction. Great photo that. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 9:05:30 GMT
My first season ticket was in the Family Stand. Very dark and dingy stairs on the way up to a stand that had great views, particularly if you were on the front row.
However, with the away fans below it could get interesting depending on who came. Remember watching a Rotherham United fan get his head kicked in down below me in the paddock 'vomitory'. Not pleasant viewing for a 10 year old.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 19, 2020 9:10:36 GMT
Random picture of the stand under construction. It's 78-79. Against Newcastle ? |
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Post by jarvinski on Apr 19, 2020 10:10:58 GMT
The Stretford End at old trafford is the same, if you sit at the back you can only see the cross bar at the other end
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Post by jarvinski on Apr 19, 2020 10:14:20 GMT
The Vic should have been redeveloped instead of spending all of that money on the pile of shit stadium we have now
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 19, 2020 10:18:39 GMT
The Vic should have been redeveloped instead of spending all of that money on the pile of shit stadium we have now It was cheaper to build the Britannia than to stay. Sad but true. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Apr 19, 2020 10:24:58 GMT
The Vic should have been redeveloped instead of spending all of that money on the pile of shit stadium we have now Would have loved that to be the case but from a financial point of view it was never going to happen. I'm guessing it would have cost too much to move the River Trent. It's a shame because when I see somewhere like the Hawthorns now I often wonder what the Vic could have been like. Still miss the Vic to this day |
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Post by werrington on Apr 19, 2020 10:26:01 GMT
The Vic should have been redeveloped instead of spending all of that money on the pile of shit stadium we have now And the money would come from where exactly? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 10:40:16 GMT
The Vic should have been redeveloped instead of spending all of that money on the pile of shit stadium we have now I bet there aren't many Stoke fans who used to go to the Vic who wouldn't have wanted us to stay there. Unfortunately it just wasn't possible for many reasons, the main one being money. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if we had relocated to a better site, and built a much better stadium than we did. |
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