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Post by philm87 on Aug 30, 2019 19:47:11 GMT
You're quite sensitive aren't you. He just made a loose reference keyboard warriors. How could that possibly be a reference to you? It's not a reference an appalling failing manager shouldn't be making. When he said he puts his whole life into his job little did we know a portion of it was getting prissy about messageboards. You'd think he'd have other things on his mind. What did he say about messageboards?
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Post by philm87 on Aug 30, 2019 19:37:24 GMT
Clearly you are not taking his words out of context at all. He definitely called you and all Stoke fans thick. If the feckless goon actually starts winning matches he can call me Forrest Gump if he wants, as it is he can put his snidey comments on the end of a mug tree and shove them up his arsehole. You're quite sensitive aren't you. He just made a loose reference keyboard warriors. How could that possibly be a reference to you?
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Post by philm87 on Aug 30, 2019 19:02:23 GMT
Hardly a meltdown is it really? He's just saying that there are some idiots out there who make stupid statements on different internet platforms when they have no fucking idea what they are talking about....which is true. I dunno, calling fans thick is pretty out there, particularly when you have a record that resembles the holocaust season under your belt witheam of players basically of your own making. In fact, it's a fucking outrageous thing to say. Clearly you are not taking his words out of context at all. He definitely called you and all Stoke fans thick.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 30, 2019 19:00:58 GMT
I cried when I saw this.
Jones needs to know that us fans have feelings too.
Let's hound him out now.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 29, 2019 17:36:57 GMT
We should have a thread for every player pinned to the top so that we can rip into them as much as possible even when they have a good game. Then let's hope they read the thread and discover how shit they are. Someone needs to let them know so that we can destroy every ounce of confidence they have remaining. Most players have faults and most don't get recognised for what they do have unless they can dribble past someone. Sometimes smashing through an opposing player earns a little respect but only if the player doesn't get sent off for it. So if you can't go past a player you're shit....end of. Why have just one thread when you can do four or five though? It's far more logical to have multiple threads on exactly the same topic and at the same time too. Some of the better posters on here can actually start two or three all by themselves. As for Clucas, I have never been a fan. I therefore agree that is a good idea to rip into him even when he has played well. Listening on the radio the other night it sounded like he played well and he certainly scored a good penalty. I bet he did that just to spite the fans, that would be typical of him!
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Post by philm87 on Aug 29, 2019 17:29:50 GMT
Out of interest, do you know when the previous one was before that? And the last time we came back from 2 down to draw? That must be even longer. I have sort of erased most of the the last 3 years from my mind. Swansea at home in the relegation season. I'm pretty sure that the last time we came from two down to draw was at Spurs in August 2015. Bloody hell I think you are right. Nearly four years then!
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Post by philm87 on Aug 27, 2019 23:02:43 GMT
This is arguably our single biggest problem And it goes all of the way back to the Hughes era When was the last time we came from behind to win a game? Swansea, last game in the Prem. Out of interest, do you know when the previous one was before that? And the last time we came back from 2 down to draw? That must be even longer. I have sort of erased most of the the last 3 years from my mind.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 27, 2019 22:52:35 GMT
Just to repeat because some of you clearly do not understand how this works.
You cannot draw the tie. Stop saying we drew when we have just fucking won. We won, or we wouldn't be through to the next round.
I agree it is not the same as winning a game in 90 minutes, but it is still a win. That's not positive spin - that is undeniable fact.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 27, 2019 21:47:35 GMT
It'ss not a reserve side though is it? It's a weakened side yes, but clearly not a reserve side. It's not quite the same as Wigan away. This is the top team in the division, away from home, when they are in great form and have just hammered us three days ago. Slightly different situation. I agree let's see, but for tonight just enjoy the win and give yourself a well earned break from being a cunt for a bit. It’s not different in the slightest. We’ve done the same thing as all season. Not scored enough and conceded too many. Beat Brum on Saturday then we can celebrate 👍 You are a Stoke fan right? You don't need to wait until Saturday to celebrate. Regardless of whether we win on Saturday, you can celebrate your team winning a penalty shoot out at Elland Road even at your end of the spectrum.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 27, 2019 21:38:28 GMT
Same was said after Wigan. We scraped past a reserve side. Good for confidence you’d hope but let’s see. It'ss not a reserve side though is it? It's a weakened side yes, but clearly not a reserve side. It's not quite the same as Wigan away. This is the top team in the division, away from home, when they are in great form and have just hammered us three days ago. Slightly different situation. I agree let's see, but for tonight just enjoy the win and give yourself a well earned break from being a cunt for a bit.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 27, 2019 21:35:15 GMT
This is arguably our single biggest problem
And it goes all of the way back to the Hughes era
When was the last time we came from behind to win a game?
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Post by philm87 on Aug 27, 2019 21:33:01 GMT
So who goes through to the next round then? Fair enough to say we didn't win in normal time. But we did win the match in the end. That is simply a fact. We've seen countless false dawns over the last few years. We've just been battered there and chucked away a two goal lead against a weakened leeds team. It would be stupid to think we've turned a corner. We need to start actually winning games. I'm gutted we were two nil up and cruising and still fucked it. Why? Because I'm worried about the league. But if I was the manager, in that dressing room I'd be focusing minds on the fact we won the penalties and got over one mental barrier. Holding on to a lead is another one Regardless of any of the other points you are making, we won tonight. That's not my interpretation of the game - that is what actually happened.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 27, 2019 21:15:45 GMT
Sounded similar on Signal
They were pretty much crediting him with the second goal
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Post by philm87 on Aug 27, 2019 21:14:48 GMT
Not for me, we still folded like a deck of cheap cards tonight. Still massive questions about our mentality. Spot on. It wasn't a win. Its impossible not to remember that we FAILED to hold a lead, and FAILED to get to three goals despite being on two goals before half time So who goes through to the next round then? Fair enough to say we didn't win in normal time. But we did win the match in the end. That is simply a fact.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 27, 2019 20:54:25 GMT
Fair play Jack
Mistakes have cost us but to step up and score that takes more balls than any of us lot on here
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Post by philm87 on Aug 26, 2019 20:17:43 GMT
Yeah I think that is a massive part of the problem we now face. Quite unusual to throw a team together so quickly and for them to actually function effectively as a cohesive unit, regardless of individual ability. Look at Fulham last year.
Our lot have additional pressure, expectation and negative energy they wouldn't usually have. We are punishing the current group of players for the mistakes of Wimmer, Imbula and so on. New players should get a clean slate, but anyone who joins us now is burdened with all our previous baggage. It is a heavy weight to carry.
Furthermore, I think we should question these 'deep issues' theories. People like simple answers and simple solutions. It would be so fucking simple, and so fucking convenient, if there is one single issue that explains our predicament. A nice friendly monocausal explanation. Arguments like we are 'rotten to the core' are just a load of guff. What the fuck is 'the core'? We are a football club not a fucking apple. Is sounds nice to say when you are depressed, but it is the pondering of a gobshite.
It is more likely that we face several different issues of varying intensity, and it is the combined impact of these that leaves us where we are. It is also in my opinion quite likely that those factors that contributed to us getting relegated are not all the same factors that are causing us to struggle at the bottom of the Championship. It is not as if we can trace everything to a single source. If you could, then just sacking Cartwright or whoever would fix it, but it clearly won't. The world, and football, is much more complicated than that.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 26, 2019 15:09:12 GMT
Sorry I have thrown a spanner among the pigeons again!
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Post by philm87 on Aug 25, 2019 17:51:42 GMT
I think the defence is more of a problem
Scoring against us right now is as easy as shooting fish in a baby.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 25, 2019 16:33:38 GMT
Some of you lot criticising the OP sounds like the pot calling the glass house black from where I'm sitting. People in kettles shouldn't throw stones. Every dog has a silver lining.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 25, 2019 15:50:15 GMT
I dunno Hernandez is not exactly a spring chicken. I don't think just having loads of kids is going to fix things. Jones picked youngsters yesterday. Bielsa has coached them to play a certain way. I think it's more pace that I'm screaming out for to be honest phil, for years now we've looked so slow......when the opposition has the ball, they seem to attack with fluency.....when we get the ball it slows right down, and no new manager ever seems to address it!!! Yeah that is a weird one. Stoke fans disagree on literally everything. If there is one thing all of us have agreed, for about 4 years now, is that we have team that needs more pace. It is shocking that successive managers have completely failed to address that problem.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 25, 2019 15:47:45 GMT
Some of you lot criticising the OP sounds like the pot calling the glass house black from where I'm sitting.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 25, 2019 13:25:34 GMT
We do obviously have bad apples but they are on the fringes or in the bomb squad so yeah, they are not the problem right now.
However we also have weak characters. So players who are good pros, honest workers and so on but unable to perform under such intense pressure, unable to dig themselves out of a hole when they have no confidence. They are the sort that just buckle quite easily.
Before we had players like Whelan and Walters. No matter how much shit they got, they were just so determined and resilient that they consistently performed above their level of ability. Or Crouchy, who could be relied on to stay composed under pressure.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 25, 2019 13:11:56 GMT
Leeds were class after they got the first goal. Better than any team we played last season with some of their one touch passing. Think they will win the league this time round. And god, how I envy them having a team like that!!! We've been crying out for youth and pace for years, so what do we bring in!!! Personally, I'm not sure if the majority of signings this season are Jones's, I just don't know??? Either he's brought shit, or the club have tied his hands......did we really need 11 new signings, or would we have been better off just adding 3 or 4 (championship) quality signings for that little bit extra??? Leeds have a relatively young side who are sharp, fook may, is that really to much to ask??? I dunno Hernandez is not exactly a spring chicken. I don't think just having loads of kids is going to fix things. Jones picked youngsters yesterday. Bielsa has coached them to play a certain way.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 24, 2019 22:48:27 GMT
Leeds were class after they got the first goal. Better than any team we played last season with some of their one touch passing. Think they will win the league this time round.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 24, 2019 22:43:53 GMT
3 years ago, when we were mid-table in the Premier League you saw us getting relegated twice in three seasons, all the way to League One? The writing was on the wall. What confirmed it was Arnie leaving. No other player left the club like he did since our promotion. We have a proven track record for not having any idea what to do in these situation. We are wank. So, at the risk of repeating myself, you predicted from that position we would get relegated TWO divisions in 3 seasons? What utter, utter bollocks.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 24, 2019 20:30:10 GMT
Yeah I felt a scent of indifference from many today.
Many are angry and frustrated of course, but the overriding feeling is a sort of 'how on earth did this happen and how the fuck do we get out of this?'
I genuinely think nobody has any idea really. It is beginning to defy logic now.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 24, 2019 20:26:26 GMT
I think we're down already. I saw it coming 3 years ago as did many others. It will take a lot of character to turn this shit around! 3 years ago, when we were mid-table in the Premier League you saw us getting relegated twice in three seasons, all the way to League One?
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Post by philm87 on Aug 24, 2019 20:15:05 GMT
Watching back those goals - in fairness they will walk the league if they can keep showing that quality.
Cracking one touch football, brilliant movement. Bielsa has really got them playing.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 23, 2019 17:17:46 GMT
I don't agree with March but he does at least as much sense as most people on here.
It is simply undeniable that TP is the master at turning round the fortunes of struggling sides. Middlesborough is the exception to that.
Any sensible fan would happily trade grinding out 1-0 wins every week over what we have had for the past 3 years or so.
And yes of course, TP had to go in the end, it was the right decision and he did almost send us down in his final season ... but he left an excellent foundation for his predecessor to build on. In contrast, despite taking us that that famed 'next level' Hughes has left a toxic legacy that will take forever to address.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 23, 2019 17:01:02 GMT
We all thought Etebo would fix things though. Yet he came on, delivered on a plate to their striker and promptly killed the game. And while Allen did fuck things up, that is actually more than Clucas did. He didn't get near enough to the ball to make a mistake.
Allen should be dropped but right now we appear to be cursed. Everything a Stoke player does turns to shit.
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