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Post by philm87 on Feb 15, 2020 19:06:10 GMT
Personally I think people like you are the wankers. Since MON has come in the team and the most of the players have been performing pretty well. It has been play off form. We were unlucky against Preston midweek. Certainly did not deserve to lose it. One bad performance and it is all doom and gloom and all these bullshit references to the players not giving a shit and deserving relegation. It's fucking pathetic. Actually it hasn't been. It was 7th firm before today, after today its more mid table. I personally think mud table championship is an insult for their wages, their reputations and the money spent. I thought today was an absolute joke, amongst many many other days this season and last. If they owe anything to anyone it's the fans, who they blatantly don't give a shit about, so yeah... Wankers. Put the effort in or gtfo. I don't think we will see many of them playing for stoke during the next 4 years, and yes these coming years will most likely be shit as they run down their contracts We have lost 3 in 4, 2 were drubbings. Preston second half was reverting to type, we were shit, at home, spineless. So im not on board with your positivity, I find it misplaced and unfounded given the current injuries, our position, our lack of responsible and fight in pretty urgent circumstances. We go down and I'm certain it's curtains for a long long time, this league is an embarrassment as it is You say it is not play off form and then immediately contradict yourself by saying we are 7th in the form table ... that means one place outside the playoffs! And that includes the Preston defeat which was totally undeserved and the Derby drubbing which was also never a 4-0. And MON has achieved our results from a pretty atrocious position. I am not talking about many other performances this season and last - I am talking about what this manager has done and what this group of players have done under that manager. And don't understand why you would expect them to give a shit about you give you hold them all in such contempt? Either way, they have put in plenty of effort. It was maybe a lack of effort that helped us get relegated but this team has showed plenty of fight in recent weeks. And it is simply incorrect to say we have received two drubbings in our last four. Derby was a drubbing on paper granted. Today we lost by two goals. Hardly a drubbing. And prior to this four game streak we were on a solid run. We can turn this around and the manager deserve our backing and less of the kind of spineless negativity that people like you are spreading.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 15, 2020 18:41:28 GMT
Personally I think people like you are the wankers.
Since MON has come in the team and the most of the players have been performing pretty well. It has been play off form.
We were unlucky against Preston midweek. Certainly did not deserve to lose it.
One bad performance and it is all doom and gloom and all these bullshit references to the players not giving a shit and deserving relegation.
It's fucking pathetic.
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Post by philm87 on Dec 17, 2019 11:31:44 GMT
I agree that you cannot vote Tory and complain about something like this.
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Post by philm87 on Dec 10, 2019 23:30:19 GMT
I thought he was toss again tonight.
Would much prefer Gregory back. Not a great finisher but his all round game and hold up play is excellent.
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Post by philm87 on Dec 10, 2019 23:26:33 GMT
We are in dire straits, we should be easily beating teams like Luton but they will turn us over. Don't kid yourself, you've been made to look like a right mug tonight. The more excuses you make the the more of a mug you look.
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Post by philm87 on Nov 23, 2019 19:58:57 GMT
You just sound like someone who leaves early and has got upset about it. I think it is fair enough someone having a cheeky dig if you leave and we score in stoppage time, especially given we haven't scored in stoppage time at home in such a long time. I didn't leave early - I never went. Happy now? Yes. Proves I am a bigger, better supporter than you
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Post by philm87 on Nov 23, 2019 19:57:20 GMT
Definitely his best performance in a Stoke shirt
Hard to knock a bloke who always puts in a shift and is always positive in his approach, but today he added the end product that is sometimes missing.
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Post by philm87 on Nov 23, 2019 19:54:35 GMT
Well early leavers appears to see these threads and feel compelled to tell us about some disability, or some insane journey they made, or some story from years ago where they stayed to the bitter end. It is as if they feel that the OP is directed personally at them, as opposed to the 5,000 or so who leave early every single game no matter what. Clearly it is the latter. Wrong. The battle hardened warriors are the ones that get "touchy" about those that leave early, and then feel compelled to start yet another thread about it. You just sound like someone who leaves early and has got upset about it. I think it is fair enough someone having a cheeky dig if you leave and we score in stoppage time, especially given we haven't scored in stoppage time at home in such a long time.
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Post by philm87 on Nov 23, 2019 19:52:29 GMT
I thought he looked a threat first half, but second half not so much. Dreadful is a bit harsh. He did get more involved in the final third and was involved in the goal.
You are right in what you say though. He appears to hide by his markers or put himself in a position where he cannot receive it. He is just a bit of a bottler and someone with no tactical understanding of the game, which is a shame given he does have footballing ability.
Doesn't help that Edwards is also a bit of a bottler right now.
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Post by philm87 on Nov 23, 2019 19:49:27 GMT
What I love most is how the people that leave early are really, really fucking sensitive about it. Good job the rest of us are not so sensitive about you dickheads standing in our way while being shit supporters. The "early leavers" are such sensitive souls, that they keep starting threads like this. Well early leavers appears to see these threads and feel compelled to tell us about some disability, or some insane journey they made, or some story from years ago where they stayed to the bitter end. It is as if they feel that the OP is directed personally at them, as opposed to the 5,000 or so who leave early every single game no matter what. Clearly it is the latter.
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Post by philm87 on Nov 23, 2019 19:44:59 GMT
What I love most is how the people that leave early are really, really fucking sensitive about it.
Good job the rest of us are not so sensitive about you dickheads standing in our way while being shit supporters.
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Post by philm87 on Nov 9, 2019 15:25:30 GMT
Don't even get that outside of Stoke. fuck sake You can listen to Signal 2 online.
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Post by philm87 on Nov 2, 2019 20:59:41 GMT
Anyone know what we have actually done that is supposed to be illegal?
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Post by philm87 on Nov 2, 2019 19:52:56 GMT
Get him in, totally piss off the brexiteer mentalists in the City. I voted to Leave and would take a foreign manager. Conversely, Peter's a Remainer isn't he? Really surprised you are a Leave voter.
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Post by philm87 on Nov 1, 2019 20:39:17 GMT
On paper he is down there with the worst of them. However, it is too soon to be making those judgements.
In Pulis' final season we all claimed that he had left a terrible squad for his successor and that mere survival would be a success. It turned out that he had in fact left the spine of a very strong team (Butland, Shawcross, Huth, NZonzi, Crouch and Walters) which Hughes was able to build on quite successfully for two or three seasons.
Maybe some of these signings will turn out to be key players, maybe the changes behind the scenes will have laid a foundation? It is too soon to tell and we might never know.
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Post by philm87 on Nov 1, 2019 13:14:34 GMT
What a load of shite from the OP.
What are you expecting him to say?
Really doesn't help our situation when we give our players shit even when they don't deserve it. We are just helping to perpetuate the toxic atmosphere which has helped land us here.
I've never rated Clucas but he has done okay so far this season and there is nothing wrong with any of those comments.
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Post by philm87 on Oct 26, 2019 21:20:28 GMT
It really depends on precisely how our recruitment process is supposed to work.
Whoever is responsible for signing Tommy Smith and Stephen Ward, whether that is Jones or Scholes, they need to go. That is a sackable offence in itself.
We are playing a system that is entirely reliant on attacking fullbacks for the width. We started the season with Stephen Ward as our only left back. Edwards has been piss poor this season but we spent £4 million on that Smith twat yet he is so bad we are forced to play another centre back at right back. Whoever engineered that situation needs prosecuting for crimes against football.
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Post by philm87 on Oct 5, 2019 16:16:45 GMT
Wow..What a performance,what a result,and our Away fans...Best in the league. GO ARRNNNN UTMP. We are in tears watching it. A very emotional game, for me Jones has bought more time. No reason why we cant do this week in week out. Swansea are a good side but wr were better. Love how appropriately fucking biblical that sounds
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Post by philm87 on Oct 5, 2019 16:14:29 GMT
Our fans have been incredible all season home and away (apart from QPR).
That mental was hopefully a reward for their loyalty and dedication in the most testing of times
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Post by philm87 on Oct 4, 2019 23:07:26 GMT
Well of course the manager will say he wanted them in public, what choice does he have? Do you really think when we failed to signed James Justin he thought, 'fuck it, Stephen Ward will do'? If that is all the evidence you have to shine a light on the recruitment process then you really are hinging quite a lot on a one minute radio segment from a player who left the club years ago and, for all his footballing ability, is not the brightest spark. It would make more sense just to accept that you are just guessing and basically making stuff up like everyone else on here. As far as I can tell none of us really knows how the club recruits players and therefore it is impossible for us as fans to know exactly where the blame and responsibility lies. To blame the entire debacle 100% on one person simply makes no sense in these circumstances and to attach so much certainty to your opinions is just arrogant. Yep I'm sure they don't know how it works and you know better. It's not blaming it on one person but he has brought in 11 players we didn't really need and where no better than what he had. The club didn't force them on him did they? Or are you suggesting they did? Of course other people are culpable but its for letting him do it - just like they let Gary Rowett have £50m to spend how he wanted. Are you telling me it was Tony Scholes and Mark Cartwright that brought James McClean to club? Even they wouldn't have been that daft. It is well known they were after Gayle before they appointed Rowett and then he wanted Afobe. Hughes wanted Wimmer and Imbula etc. Yet you seem to suggest the manager doesn't pick the players. It's both the managers fault for picking awful players and the club's fault for allowing this to happen and appointing a manager that doesn't have the experience of handling a huge transfer budget like Rowett did and then wondering why it went wrong. And with NJ he didn't want to look abroad, he didn't want loans, so he looked where we he knew - Cousins who he'd worked with at Charlton, Davies and Lindsay from League One, Nick Powell who everyone knows of, Lee Gregory whose been in the Championship for ages. Do you think this is all a coincidence or something? You don't seem to know anything yourself but seem to feel able to call me arrogant when I at least have some evidence for what I am saying when you have none and just seem to be trying to make a argument out of nothing. Well yes I acknowledged I don't know anything. That is why I was asking you to enlighten me. That was the entire basis of this conversation. I was just amazed at how you have pieced it all together with so much precision and certainty on the basis of a few media snippets and then concluded that the manager was solely responsible for every single transfer. I wasn't even disagreeing, just pointing out that that was perhaps a premature conclusion to reach concerning a process that to all other outsiders appears to be rather more opaque than you are claiming.
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Post by philm87 on Oct 4, 2019 9:34:16 GMT
You mean the 'others' on here? Well they usually blame Scholes and Cartwright for our transfer debacles, but you are saying it is 100% all Jones? Yes. People do blame them but Liam Lawrence and Mike Pejic explained at the weekend the problem is the managers pick the players and it’s all gone downhill since Hughes wanted more control. And since then it’s been the manager that’s picked the players. NJ also said over the summer they were his players and he wanted them. Well of course the manager will say he wanted them in public, what choice does he have? Do you really think when we failed to signed James Justin he thought, 'fuck it, Stephen Ward will do'? If that is all the evidence you have to shine a light on the recruitment process then you really are hinging quite a lot on a one minute radio segment from a player who left the club years ago and, for all his footballing ability, is not the brightest spark. It would make more sense just to accept that you are just guessing and basically making stuff up like everyone else on here. As far as I can tell none of us really knows how the club recruits players and therefore it is impossible for us as fans to know exactly where the blame and responsibility lies. To blame the entire debacle 100% on one person simply makes no sense in these circumstances and to attach so much certainty to your opinions is just arrogant.
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Post by philm87 on Oct 4, 2019 9:26:44 GMT
What do you mean by 'sticking two fingers up at the fans'? And why would they want to do that? Because they know that the vast majority of fans want Jones out and are angry at how badly he's managing the team, even if that anger isn't particularly being directed at him personally. It's the same sort of arrogance that kept Hughes in a job for far too long on the basis of 'What's all the fuss about?' I've met Peter Coates on a couple of occasions and I honestly think he's a nice bloke, but he's never been keen to admit his mistakes...and the Jones appointment is one of the biggest bollocks the club's ever dropped. Is that not incompetence or poor decision-making, rather than a move that is purposefully calculated to annoy the fans? And I do not think this is comparable to the 'what's all the fuss about?' I think the the people in charge know we are right in the shit now, in comparison to the what was implied by that quotation (which referred to entirely different circumstances). The Coates may have got some big calls wrong in recent years, but they had to get a number of big calls right in order to get us in the Prem and enjoy a decade of unprecedented success to begin within. They are not perfect, but they are not Mike Ashley either. I also do not think the players have 'downed tools' as you put it. Anyone who has been to the games can see they are mostly putting in the effort and running the hard miles. It has been the quality in both boxes that has cost us. And that is part of the answer to your question. It is more difficult to boo them off when you can see they are still trying.
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Post by philm87 on Oct 3, 2019 19:17:52 GMT
There are no real villains in this scenario , just a load of people trying hard but proving to be a bit incompetent - hard to get really outraged by this. True. I don't think anyone's angry at Jones because he's a nice bloke, just incompetent. it's also difficult to be angry at a man who's pumped God knows how many million into the club over the last decade or so. But this situation can't be allowed to continue. Regardless of how much they've spent, not sacking him after Tuesday is the board blatantly sticking two fingers up to the fans. What do you mean by 'sticking two fingers up at the fans'? And why would they want to do that?
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Post by philm87 on Oct 3, 2019 19:16:06 GMT
Where did he say that? And even if he did that does not really answer the question. You cannot explain how our recruit process works in just two short sentences. What do I want? I want the world to be as simple as you think it is. Life would be so much easier then. The manager ultimately picks the players. As explained by the manager himself, Mike Pejic, Liam Lawrence. I’m sure there are more which others can point to. You mean the 'others' on here? Well they usually blame Scholes and Cartwright for our transfer debacles, but you are saying it is 100% all Jones?
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Post by philm87 on Oct 3, 2019 19:07:29 GMT
Can you please explain to the rest of us how our recruitment process works? As far as I can tell it is really quite opaque and so none of us on here know exactly who to blame or what is responsible for a poor dealings in multiple transfer windows under three successive managers (excluding Lambert). You are saying it is all 100% Jones' fault so you must have some insight into the process that the rest of us are unaware of? He said explicitly he picked the players. He didn’t want Pieters. What more do you want? Where did he say that? And even if he did that does not really answer the question. You cannot explain how our recruit process works in just two short sentences. What do I want? I want the world to be as simple as you think it is. Life would be so much easier then.
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Post by philm87 on Oct 3, 2019 19:03:11 GMT
I must admit I was very surprised how little reaction there was. A part of me was quite proud at how resilient we all were in sitting through such shite again. On the way back I had the radio on and listening to Spurs fan after Spurs fan moan about Pochettino made me realise how Spurs fans were all such wankers and that, despite our current predicament, I could take solace in the fact that I was not a Spurs fan.
I am not so sure we are all soft. This time last year it was our pressure which forced Rowett out. I think it was the Bristol City home game when we started singing 'Rory' during the game and then there were thousands of us chanting 'Gary Rowett your football is shit.'
I think the difference this time around is 1) Jones is more likeable on a personal level 2) We have belatedly accepted the problems are not limited to the manager 3) We have become desensitized as a result of three years of absolute garbage. I was actually laughing when Huddersfield scored. It is hard to know what else to do.
I felt that defeat against Huddersfield would inevitably lead to Jones' being replaced so shouting or booing was superfluous.
I think right now they are just lining up the replacement and he will be moved during the international break. If he is still in charge for the next home game though we need to make absolutely clear where we stand. If Jones is in charge for the next home game and if we fail to win that game then we need a massive fuck off from the stands.
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Post by philm87 on Oct 3, 2019 18:50:49 GMT
I have a really far fetched theory to explain this.
After the Huddersfield defeat it was decided to replace Jones. They did not want to sack him until a new man was ready so they are sounding out possible replacements. In the meantime Jones will be in charge for the Swansea game and then we have the international break. Last time they sacked Hughes without having a replacement ready and so suffered the embarrassment of being turned down by three different managers before being stuck with Lambert. They are trying to avoid repeating that. It looks like they have made enquiries about Hughton first and will presumably move on to others now.
Of course that is just idle speculation and not particularly sensible. Far more likely that John Coates is just a massive cunt who wants to rub in YOUR face and make YOU angry by persevering for as long as possible with a manager he fully knows will drag this club to the abyss. It is all clearly a massive conspiracy!!!
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Post by philm87 on Oct 3, 2019 18:44:38 GMT
I stand back and look at the bigger picture and the performance as a whole. Forest 4 shots on target and score 3, Huddersfield 1 shot on target and score, our 1st 3 or 4 games there were 12 shots on target and we conceded 8. We have not got away with anything, everyone has been ridiculously clinical against us. We have dominated nearly every match, our left back is a massive issue which Jones pointed out at the start of the season, hence his comment about Ward being all we could get as nobody else was available. Unfortunately his best days are behind him and we have been left short. Jones is doing a lot right but we have a weakness which isn't going away until at least the next window. The club are probably as much to blame as Jones for the left back situation, if we sort that out we are a good team maybe a top team. The only picture you need to look at is one of his win record. It's his fault we don't have a left back. He sold Erik Pieters for wasn't it less at £1m. He is a terrible manager who has made a complete hash of everything he has done here. There is no excuse for his transfers over the summer. You can't even use the excuse of funds when Sawyers and Ayaji went to West Brom for about £5m and he pissed £4m up the wall on Tommy fucking Smith. He's the one that promised that he wouldn't bring anyone in that wasn't better than what we had and NONE of them are better. They are all worse. It's entirely his fault. All that comes out of his mouth are lies and excuses but everyone has been sucked in to thinking he's a nice guy. Load of absolute mugs. Can you please explain to the rest of us how our recruitment process works? As far as I can tell it is really quite opaque and so none of us on here know exactly who to blame or what is responsible for a poor dealings in multiple transfer windows under three successive managers (excluding Lambert). You are saying it is all 100% Jones' fault so you must have some insight into the process that the rest of us are unaware of?
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Post by philm87 on Sept 27, 2019 16:37:13 GMT
I'll say this as someone who has been seen as critical of the fans in the past - our support has been immense this season, QPR aside.
I'm sure it will be similar today but lose this and he will get and deserve the full Rowett treatment.
If we lose this we need to act quickly.
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Post by philm87 on Sept 26, 2019 16:48:29 GMT
I remember having the same debate with someone early on in Hughes' final season. They were quite candidly telling me how they wanted us to lose so that Hughes would get sacked because if he was to stay we were all fucked. I said that was a crazy mindset and we could not sack him after just one poor season. I am not sure now which of us was right. At the very least, what appeared to me at the time to be an insane perspective is now something I can acknowledge as a legitimate point of view. I think on this occasion I would rather we win. Beat Forest and I think we beat Huddersfield too. That dramatically changes everything and if we then carried that momentum forward to get some sort of result against a high flying Swansea team we could completely change our season. That said, I am expecting us to lose or draw tomorrow. The question is then will Coates wait for theHuddersfield game before wielding the axe? Winning both would be great but it would change nothing for me. He has to be sacked come what may. I think you have just said that for attention. It worked. Well done. If we were to win two games in the space of four days that would massively change everything - the mood in the team, the mood in the media, the mood among the fans, our league position and our points tally. Only an idiot would then react to that by sacking the manager. You would at the very least give him the Swansea game. If they won that - 9 points from 3 matches, including an away victory against the form team in the division, our season would take a radically different course.
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