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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 21, 2015 10:26:50 GMT
A little snippet from todays paper! Where is the value in the Premier League Relegation Battle? I'm intrigued by Stoke at 16/1. A 40% shot ratio is nothing to shout about and Mark Hughes' managerial approach is not exactly what you'd call hands-on. If they get themselves into a rot during the winter months, I'm not convinced they'd have the resolve to drag themselves out of trouble. It's this fella. Quite a respected journo! twitter.com/ratings_mikeMore of a journalist than a tipster if it's the same bloke that I used to converse with on the Betfair forum(back in the day when people tried to help each other). Tried his hand at tipping with Sporting Life few years ago but think he only lasted a season due to poor results. Nice bloke despite being a Man Citeh fan! Not seen the article but surprised Swansea at 16/1 wasn't mentioned. I first posted on the Oatcake after he emailed me telling me we were signing Kevin Hurlock.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 17, 2015 9:54:12 GMT
Regular in Zanzibar with 2 birds on each arm.Legend!
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 17, 2015 9:49:47 GMT
Still young and has a cracking attitude but he's not impressed me at centre half and even less so at left back.Surprised he's not been tried in midfield.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 7, 2015 22:44:41 GMT
If.. but...blah de fuckin blah.... Yeah great.......so what did he do? What's up with ya man,we deserverdly beat Chelsea.Stop trying to act the clever cunt.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 7, 2015 22:30:58 GMT
Is this a similar problem to Glen Johnson, Cameron, Wolly, Afellay all of which have proved you wrong recently? I just don't think he's very good and he keeps showing why..... Johnson has been hit and miss.....bloody excellent tonight. I think Cameron has been toss all season. Wolly was brilliant tonight but wasn't up against a striker who wanted to score goals but still he dealt with his bullshit well. Fair play to him. Afellay-has played his first good game in a Stoke shirt. Well done to him! If.. but...blah de fuckin blah....
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 7, 2015 22:28:53 GMT
What a sad thread by a sad person.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 2, 2015 11:59:38 GMT
The net spend argument bores me to tears to be honest. Always has. Even with that, the only players they got a fee for were Long and Boyd for a combined what, £15m or so? Hernandez and Livermore cost £18m. Then there's Snodgrass who was what, £6-8m, Diame who was about four, N'Doye who was about £3m, Dawson who was about four, those full backs who were about £3m each. It's not like he had a whole squad to replace. With that spend he should have been building on the previous season, not getting himself relegated while throwing the Europa the first chance he got. He wouldn't have spent £10m on Hernandez if Long hadn't have left though would he.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 2, 2015 11:44:59 GMT
Hernandez alone cost £10m. I was talking net spend but Soccerbase didn't include the Hernandez fee,so net spend was £20m.£6m of that was spent on Snodgrass who got injured on his debut and didn't play again. That £20m net spend has been recovered in the last transfer window.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 2, 2015 10:36:12 GMT
How much did Bruce spend last season? About £40m. He spent £10 million!!!
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 31, 2015 20:39:26 GMT
Butland was fantastic again but we deserved a point.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 31, 2015 20:26:19 GMT
Lou didn't take us to 10th in the Prem despite effectively not spending any money. I agree with your last sentence.That's where I'd rank him.You call that bang average,I'd call it good. Would you be happy with him managing Stoke City? Sorry mate,been away for a few days. It's a difficult question to answer without any context but overall yes,I honestly would.Not sure what you don't like about him getting B'ham,Wigan and Hull to mid-table but apart from a scenario where Hughes leaves us in a top 7 position,then I'd take Bruce.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 27, 2015 14:45:48 GMT
10 months? 3 of those months were taken from the season in which they finished 10th. The next 3 months was the summer break. They had 11 points from 13 games when he left.Poor start but they certainly weren't doomed. Are any of his previous clubs in a better position without him? I don't see what that has to do with anything. We're in a better position than we were under Lou, does that make him a shit manager? They finished 10th but won three games after Feb 1st and then just two by the end of November the season after. That's not a good record and there were few people at the time who felt he'd been hard done by. He's an ok low-end Prem manager. Better than your Warnocks and McCarthys, probably not quite as good as your Pulises and Allardyces. Lou didn't take us to 10th in the Prem despite effectively not spending any money. I agree with your last sentence.That's where I'd rank him.You call that bang average,I'd call it good.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 27, 2015 14:24:42 GMT
I don't agree that it went massively wrong at Sunderland.His net transfer spend in that period was just £5 million.They started poorly in 10/11 season and the fans didn't need any excuse to get rid of the Geordie.He had no credit in the bank for that reason alone. I suspect he'll get Hull straight back up. He won five games in his last 10 months at Sunderland. It's his fault Hull went down in the first place. 10 months? 3 of those months were taken from the season in which they finished 10th. The next 3 months was the summer break. They had 11 points from 13 games when he left.Poor start but they certainly weren't doomed. Are any of his previous clubs in a better position without him?
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 27, 2015 14:04:09 GMT
How often in the last 8 years have we dominated a game throughout? Semi final v Bolton Stoke 6 Liverpool 1.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 27, 2015 13:49:04 GMT
Got Birmingham promoted in his first season.Then finished 13th,10th and 12th.Finished 18th in his 5th season.That doesn't really tally with his assessment that his starts never last though. 2 seasons at Wigan,finished 14th,then 11th. 2 seasons at Sunderland,finished 13th,then 10th. Got Hull promoted in his first season.Then finished 16th and got them to a Cup final,before relegation last season. I think that's a pretty good c.v myself. He didn't have two full seasons at Wigan did he? He did well there though. He started well at Sunderland but it went massively wrong for him there and their fans couldn't wait to get rid of him. He was lucky to keep his job at Hull after spending £40m, throwing the Europa and still going down. I don't agree that it went massively wrong at Sunderland.His net transfer spend in that period was just £5 million.They started poorly in 10/11 season and the fans didn't need any excuse to get rid of the Geordie.He had no credit in the bank for that reason alone. I suspect he'll get Hull straight back up.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 27, 2015 12:29:30 GMT
Fair enough,it's your list.I think Bruce is better than that. His good stuff is getting Brum and Hull promoted and doing well at Wigan. His good starts never last though and after a good first Prem season it always seems to go tits up in the second, especially if you give him loads of money. Got Birmingham promoted in his first season.Then finished 13th,10th and 12th.Finished 18th in his 5th season.That doesn't really tally with his assessment that his starts never last though. 2 seasons at Wigan,finished 14th,then 11th. 2 seasons at Sunderland,finished 13th,then 10th. Got Hull promoted in his first season.Then finished 16th and got them to a Cup final,before relegation last season. I think that's a pretty good c.v myself.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 27, 2015 9:02:47 GMT
Haha,some dross in there.Not sure how Bruce made your list though. Because he's a bang average manager who's done so good work getting teams promoted but tends to spend a fortune taking them back down again. Fair enough,it's your list.I think Bruce is better than that.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 27, 2015 8:58:34 GMT
I can't understand what Sherwood had done to merit walking into a Premier League job in the first place. Spurs was fair enough as an interim manager, but to then go about dictating terms to decent clubs like West Brom was just plain arrogant. He ought to work his way up from the bottom. He did a good job as interim manager at Spurs and earnt a chance at another club though surely.John Carver showed last season what can happen if a part time appointment isn't good enough. At Villa he took over a team who were dropping like a stone,they'd won 4 out of their last 23 games.He then led them to 8 wins in 14 games! Thats a decent turnaround in anyone's books.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 27, 2015 8:48:14 GMT
Losing their 4 best players in the summer in Vlaar,Cleverley,Delph and Benteke meant it would have been difficult for even the most experienced of managers to succeed.They should have got Big Sam in before the season started.I think Sherwood will get another chance to prove himself. Sorry mate can't agree with that 1 Vlaar was shocking for us ,when he was fit that is,which wernt often, think southampton 1-6 and the final 2. Cleverly was on loan and only decided to put it in towards the end of the season clearly playing for his next move/payday,yes Benteke was a massive loss but one that the whole world knew was going to happen so a decent replacement should of been sorted, Delph going was also a blow and the pathetic pantomime he played out didn't help us so yes that fucked Sherwoods planning up, the major factor in him getting sacked was not his signings because its clear they were virtually forced on him, he's been quoted as saying some of them were 3rd or 4th options,what did for him in the end was his bizarre tactics and team selections, somewhere in that squad there is a half decent side but he is/was not the man to find it so I'll always be thankful for last season's escape and fucking up stevie's birthday cringefest but, and I thought I'd never say this he's left us in a worse state than when he arrived, not forgetting Lerner and Fox's massive part in it all ! Your current team is worse than last seasons but not sure how you can blame Sherwood for that.Lerner's the problem and has been for years.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 27, 2015 8:43:24 GMT
Very harsh imo. Villa were going down under Lambert.He kept them up AND got them to a cup final.Not bad? Who are these rubbish managers who got a team to a cup final then? Bryan Robson Avram Grant Steve Bruce isn't rubbish but he's bang average Dave Jones (ditto) Dennis Wise John Gregory Haha,some dross in there.Not sure how Bruce made your list though.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 26, 2015 19:27:17 GMT
and Chris Hughton Are we talking as a good manager of a shit one? He's a good manager who you think is shit.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 26, 2015 19:22:17 GMT
Fair play mate. Like I say, it wasn't a loaded question. I just wondered why you had such strong opinions on his managerial prowess (or lack of). Time will tell how he gets on I suppose. Great conclusions too pal. Top work again. Thanks mate, yeah time will tell. I've already been made to look a dick this season by Slaven Billic so... and Chris Hughton
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 26, 2015 19:20:41 GMT
Just out of interest, and this isn't a loaded question mate, why are you so down on Sherwood? His record at Spurs was actually pretty decent and he did ok at Villa last season too. I'm not saying it's a brilliant cv but it hadn't been a disaster either. This year hasn't been great of course. I think he's everything that's wrong with English football mate. "Cheeky chappy" who the press loves because he's English and a rent-a-quote. Fiercely anti-intellectual, "football is a simple game" tactical pygmy. Takes the credit for the good times and no responsibility for the bad times. Doesn't hesitate to throw the players under the bus. No humility whatsoever even when it's clear he doesn't know what he's doing. Arrogance on a massive scale with pretty much nothing to back it up. He did just enough at Villa last season league-wise (cup final too, fair play). Out of his depth in the big games at Spurs and generally at Villa. He's a half-decent shot-term motivator when a side needs a kick up the arse. He had it tough this season at Villa with losing a lot of players. When people tip him to succeed, it's always based on that 'Arry-lite persona rather than anything to do with the actual football. Very harsh imo. Villa were going down under Lambert.He kept them up AND got them to a cup final.Not bad? Who are these rubbish managers who got a team to a cup final then?
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 26, 2015 17:17:32 GMT
Losing their 4 best players in the summer in Vlaar,Cleverley,Delph and Benteke meant it would have been difficult for even the most experienced of managers to succeed.They should have got Big Sam in before the season started.I think Sherwood will get another chance to prove himself.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 21, 2015 11:42:15 GMT
Hard not to like the guy.Some of his quotes are legendary.Was disappointed he left to be honest.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 20, 2015 10:32:36 GMT
Johnson Whelan Cameron
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 15, 2015 9:34:48 GMT
For some reason the game was live on foreign tv.Remember buying a copy of it off ebay.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 3, 2015 20:40:39 GMT
Why do you feel the need to comment if you've not even seen the game? I haven't mentioned today's game. And why wouldn't I comment? This thread was about his performance today. You've not seen the game ergo you don't comment?
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 3, 2015 20:28:59 GMT
He did absolutely fine today, something I'm sure the manager would agree with. I've said it before, you expect robotic performances. I don't at all. I just think he's been a bit shit and has been used incorrectly too. He's clearly not a winger, he's way too slow and he isn't being allowed to play through the middle. Quite rightly because we have Bojan. He's added nothing (so far) to our game. And we sit here still needing a quick back up winger and a central midfielder. Why do you feel the need to comment if you've not even seen the game?
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 3, 2015 20:12:10 GMT
I've always tried to stick up for Wollscheid on here.You don't play for Germany if you're shit.Some of the pathetic bullshit regarding him on here has been embarassing.Ironically,players normally improve in supporters eyes when they're out of the team that isn't winning.His stock on here was at an all time low before he got back in the side.We've won every game since!
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