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Fosu
Jan 17, 2023 17:51:08 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Jan 17, 2023 17:51:08 GMT
He can cross though. He’s a good player on the right and goes either way which confuses defenders. He often goes neither way! He's an exciting player to watch, which may help with making the fans feel more positive, apart from he doesnt look to be effective, which is ultimately what its all about, we need output more than a thrill right now. He runs at players but it doesnt feel that his take ons put him in a better position to shoot / cross / pass. tachyon do you have data to demonstrate how effective he is? Should we be looking to play him more or ship him back to Brentford?
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Post by nonameface on Jan 16, 2023 18:00:37 GMT
Well he's the only one I can think of, aside from Kilkenny, who we could send back for being injured so much. It's not like he hasn't worked out quality wise, he's been fine, but when did he last play? I think it's the end of October, which is almost 3 months ago. Even so he's allegedly back on the grass training now and I just don't think Alex Neil would allow himself to send back his one signing so far. He's also the one loan player we should be looking to sign if he stays fit between now and the end of the season.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 15, 2023 9:38:06 GMT
Premier League as different ffp rules to the EFL Chelsea are also dishing out 6 and 7 year contracts to their signings now, which with amortisation will lower the burden somewhat. Will be interesting to see what happens if those signings don't work out. Loan out the players that don't work Sell youth players they would normally loan
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Fosu
Jan 14, 2023 22:12:37 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Jan 14, 2023 22:12:37 GMT
he's an entertaining player but not very effective.
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Alex neil
Jan 14, 2023 17:28:07 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Jan 14, 2023 17:28:07 GMT
Too little too late should never have been in the job Yes but that’s neither here nor there now, we are in the situation we are, it could have worked out but he’s turned out to be useless and exactly the same as O’Neil. So just get him gone. So far it just hasn't happened and in a short period of time is dismantling the platform O'Neill had put in place. Pretty much every player has more mistakes in them and are playing more poorly than under O'Neill. The only player that has played better is Fox and that isn't a great thing to shout about. Neil is a good manager, but it just hasn't happened for him so far. Concerned he's going to waste our improving FFP position and then we are hindered again for a long time.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 14, 2023 17:14:05 GMT
Ryan has every coaching badge you can get. Passed his UEFA Pro last year. He coached my lads academy team and was very good. He now works for another football club. Absolutely zero experience. His day will come. He was a good footballer due to his physicality, when that went his performances dropped rapidly. It would be a surprise if he would make a good manager.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 14, 2023 17:10:36 GMT
looks to be a poorer coach for this set of players than we had before.
The score line heavily flattered Sheffield United, but, more and more teams just get points from us almost without any effort required.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 14, 2023 17:03:46 GMT
Hopefully our position will get the players fired up.
The concerning thing is teams don't have to do anything to score past us.
That was probably a weak Sheffield United performance but they got three shots off and with that got three goals.
he's spoke about how we have no width or wingers in place yet his team selection was designed to keep the play narrow.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 14, 2023 16:56:50 GMT
Not as good as O'Neil.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 14, 2023 15:37:38 GMT
I’ve seen enough, not watching anymore. Pathetic all round, Laurent useless and then no fucker tries to engage with the player making the run. Useless shower of shite. Same. Cant see what football AN is trying to get us to play.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 14, 2023 15:10:27 GMT
misery starts early today then
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Post by nonameface on Jan 14, 2023 11:26:21 GMT
So our only recognised goal keeper is Bonham who is absolutely shite. Good job stoke . Keep going its almost like they are trying to create a space for a new keeper...
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Post by nonameface on Jan 13, 2023 23:39:37 GMT
My understanding is they sell their data outside of the game to clubs.
Its scary how accurate it is
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Post by nonameface on Jan 13, 2023 20:35:33 GMT
This is all getting a bit boring isn't it. We play to the same rules as absolutely everyone else yet continue to use it as an excuse. True. But if you have a bloated squad, with high transfer fees and wages it can take many years until you are in the same position as everyone else. We've been shackled for years because of relegation and dreadful decisions in our first year in the championship, compounded in our second too.
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Bursik
Jan 13, 2023 16:58:44 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Jan 13, 2023 16:58:44 GMT
Taken from an article in The Sentinel on Monday: "Phil Jagielka, Nick Powell, Sam Clucas, Morgan Fox, Bonham and Frankie Fielding are all due to be out of contract in 2023, as well as Aden Flint, who is currently attracting interest in League One. Tom Edwards, on loan at Barnsley, is under contract at Stoke until 2024.There should be a lot of space to make an impact in virtually every department.Currently under contract beyond 2023GOALKEEPERS:DEFENCE: Harry Souttar, Ben Wilmot, Josh Tymon, Connor Taylor, Tom Edwards"Suggests to me that's not how the option works. Usually an option requires a certain number of appearances at which point either party can extend. The option to extend obviously hasn't been triggered yet but if the requirements have been fulfilled I would imagine it will be factored into the values of Bursik. Not sure that's the case.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 13, 2023 16:45:35 GMT
Was this meant to say £10m + + Iverson? Have been saying for a few weeks. Soutts a great player for us but I don’t think those in the Prem will price him to the extent some on here have been doing. I reckon their opening bid will be £8m or so and told they’ll throw Iverson in there. I can see us accepting £10m + Iverson Yeah. If we can get high additional fees / sell on clauses, so we could make c£20m out of him it would still be a good deal if Iverson is genuinely worth c£3m. As a football team we are likely to be better off with an excellent keeper at this level with okay defenders, rather than an awful keeper with a stand out defender amongst okay ones.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 13, 2023 16:36:48 GMT
Was this meant to say £10m + + Iverson?
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Post by nonameface on Jan 12, 2023 20:54:54 GMT
Stoke City - “ the most difficult football team to manage in football with what goes on behind the scenes” a quote from mad Nath this morning. This mirrors previous quotes from the Wigan manager a few years back who stated “everybody in football knows what goes on at Stoke and how difficult it is to manage” We all obviously have our opinion regarding the club, a mixture of: - lack of forward thinking by the owners - lack of structure - previous impact of Scholes - lack of culture However, is there something else in the under current that we as mere fans have missed but is widely known by those Inside football. Intriguing comments, maybe one for the fans council to ask for a response on? he'll probably rinse and repeat about Southampton fairly soon.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 12, 2023 18:37:49 GMT
Fosu will be next to go back He's stopped us3him despite decrying lack of wingers and despite the lack of creativity pace in the side As such he may as well go back Getting the feeling AN would get rid of most of the squad if he could You could see him doing that this summer..
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Bursik
Jan 12, 2023 18:35:46 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Jan 12, 2023 18:35:46 GMT
I think he’s worth keeping and loan him out to someone who knows what to do with a goal keeper There is a player in there it’s just finding it He’s regression is alarming though and needs sorting Think he needs some stability more than anything or a plan I'm not sure he has regressed. He seemed able at league 1 level, he just has not been able to adapt to championship standard football.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 12, 2023 8:00:47 GMT
Preston? Absolutely this has everything to do with his Dad going and nobody will convince me otherwise. looks very possible. Could also be because we will move to a 433 where we need more wide players and that means Delap would have had less time. Preston are only two points off the play offs, so in that sense are a bigger club than us right now. He has something to play for between now and the end of the season.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 12, 2023 7:30:52 GMT
Where's Begovic at? He's the only keeper I've seen take every player out to get to a cross. in one season didnt he catch either 100% or as close to it as possible?
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Bursik
Jan 12, 2023 7:17:00 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Jan 12, 2023 7:17:00 GMT
On what basis are you saying he has massive potential? Tachyons data has shown he is a poor keeper at this level and his performances at his age suggest he won't make it at Championship level. I'm not sure how accurate the data is by position but id have thought data predicting keepers performances would be better than other positions because it's more of a closed skill than other positions on the pitch. The eye test backs it up too. He could turn out decent at some point and that's the reason i added "right now". Sad thing is i just can't see it and he's been given a fairly decent chance, but it's probably better for his career and our club he leaves asap. If we get fees or future clauses, great. You see this is the problem with over-relying on data. You've taken one data point that you read once on here, over one specific time period, which showed Bursik was performing below average for shot-stopping, and on that basis you've disregarded any other factors (other time periods, mistakes, performances for other teams, cross-claiming, control of area, distribution, decision-making, and all the other nuts and bolts of goalkeeping that are not saving shots) and you've allowed yourself to make up your mind that he is "a poor keeper at this level". Not to mention his continued involvement in the England setup - they use data as well you know, and I should imagine a lot more extensively than one statistic from one narrow time frame. Also which other 21/22-year-old keepers are you comparing him to to conclude that he won't make it at Championship level? Do you have their stats? If just using the data id agree, but he looks so poor when he plays and he's cost us alot of points. It wouldn't surprise me with just an average keeper this year if we'd be in the play offs or very close to it. We should always give youth a chance and with Bursik we've done it. We just can't continue to be bottom half of the table due to poor keepers. He can develop better elsewhere and at this moment in time we can use this wages etc better elsewhere. If we get rid in the next 6 months we get brass and if he has massive potential we will get a fair fee for him.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 12, 2023 7:10:19 GMT
I'd be trialling Powell and Gayle as a front two. Powell is the best target man we have and we always look better when Gayle plays. Hell no! Powell should play in midfield. We've produced next to nothing with Powell as a target man when he's come on. He is our best target man though and we can miss out playing him deeper because he can't get into the box as much as we'd like. Id be surprised if we don't move more to a 4-3-3 for the remainder of the season though, so a winger or two could be inbound and that meant delap would get fewer opportunities.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 11, 2023 19:09:19 GMT
let them scramble....he's not good enough for us right now. Right now? He's 20 years old. That's the spirit, let a youngster with MASSIVE potential leave because he's not the finished article "right now" 🙄 On what basis are you saying he has massive potential? Tachyons data has shown he is a poor keeper at this level and his performances at his age suggest he won't make it at Championship level. I'm not sure how accurate the data is by position but id have thought data predicting keepers performances would be better than other positions because it's more of a closed skill than other positions on the pitch. The eye test backs it up too. He could turn out decent at some point and that's the reason i added "right now". Sad thing is i just can't see it and he's been given a fairly decent chance, but it's probably better for his career and our club he leaves asap. If we get fees or future clauses, great.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 11, 2023 18:59:32 GMT
Looks a talented team and one that we look like we really want to win.
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Bursik
Jan 11, 2023 15:23:24 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Jan 11, 2023 15:23:24 GMT
Bursik’s pedigree is immaculate. The best in the country at every age group and still the national age groups #1 keeper. Recent family tragedy might have dented his concentration and confidence but there is no reason why he won’t dominate the national team in a few years. There will be an almighty scramble for his signature across Europe’s top divisions if he is leaving us. It will be most frustrating to see him realise his potential elsewhere. let them scramble....he's not good enough for us right now.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 11, 2023 6:10:23 GMT
Scott must have had a hell of a world cup to be worth over double what Souttar apparently is mustn't he?! 😀 I wouldn’t pay Alex Scott in washers! Oh, that Alex Scott. Never heard of him Arguably the most highly rated prospect in the championship.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 10, 2023 19:29:05 GMT
if we can get rid today - do it. money today or future fees is just a bonus. 3 years down the line...Stoke fans in meltdown as millions of pounds from sales of Collins, souttar and bursik wasted on championship journeymen as fans cry out for a team of young hungry players. Theres a big difference between Collins / Souttar and Bursik. Two will spend the majority of the rest of their careers in the top flight, whilst the other will be League 1 and below.
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Bursik
Jan 10, 2023 17:48:09 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Jan 10, 2023 17:48:09 GMT
if we can get rid today - do it.
money today or future fees is just a bonus.
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