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Post by iglugluk on Jan 13, 2023 23:16:19 GMT
I have just been visiting a very good long time friend of mine whose son is a keen Bristol City fan and talented youth football player. When he's at various games ferrying his son back and forth he regularly meets a fellow dad who does the same for his son and has struck up a friendship with him. Turns out this chap is a very good friend of an ex-Bristol City player with whom he attends matches and as such he gets the occasional piece of inside track insight into the running of Bristol City FC, he is told that the club scouts mainly decide who to watch via the stats from Sega's Football Manager game. I wonder how many other clubs identify potential transfers in this way?
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Jan 13, 2023 23:25:23 GMT
I have just been visiting a very good long time friend of mine of whose son is a keen Bristol City fan and talented youth football player. When he's at various games ferrying his son back and forth he regularly meets a fellow dad who does the same for his son and has struck up a friendship with him. Turns out this chap is a very good friend of an ex-Bristol City player with whom he attends matches and as such he gets the occasional piece of inside track insight into the running of Bristol City FC, he is told that the club scouts mainly decide who to watch via the stats from Sega's Football Manager game. I wonder how many other clubs identify potential transfers in this way? I could be wrong but I'm certain Everton and a number of other teams use the database that's used for Football Manager. It's an absolute gold mine of data.
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 13, 2023 23:27:28 GMT
I have just been visiting a very good long time friend of mine of whose son is a keen Bristol City fan and talented youth football player. When he's at various games ferrying his son back and forth he regularly meets a fellow dad who does the same for his son and has struck up a friendship with him. Turns out this chap is a very good friend of an ex-Bristol City player with whom he attends matches and as such he gets the occasional piece of inside track insight into the running of Bristol City FC, he is told that the club scouts mainly decide who to watch via the stats from Sega's Football Manager game. I wonder how many other clubs identify potential transfers in this way? I could be wrong but I'm certain Everton and a number of other teams use the database that's used for Football Manager. It's an absolute gold mine of data. I wonder if they acknowledge their debt to Sega
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Post by nonameface on Jan 13, 2023 23:39:37 GMT
My understanding is they sell their data outside of the game to clubs.
Its scary how accurate it is
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2023 23:53:30 GMT
I have just been visiting a very good long time friend of mine whose son is a keen Bristol City fan and talented youth football player. When he's at various games ferrying his son back and forth he regularly meets a fellow dad who does the same for his son and has struck up a friendship with him. Turns out this chap is a very good friend of an ex-Bristol City player with whom he attends matches and as such he gets the occasional piece of inside track insight into the running of Bristol City FC, he is told that the club scouts mainly decide who to watch via the stats from Sega's Football Manager game. I wonder how many other clubs identify potential transfers in this way? Loads do and it’s common knowledge.
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 14, 2023 0:04:18 GMT
I have just been visiting a very good long time friend of mine whose son is a keen Bristol City fan and talented youth football player. When he's at various games ferrying his son back and forth he regularly meets a fellow dad who does the same for his son and has struck up a friendship with him. Turns out this chap is a very good friend of an ex-Bristol City player with whom he attends matches and as such he gets the occasional piece of inside track insight into the running of Bristol City FC, he is told that the club scouts mainly decide who to watch via the stats from Sega's Football Manager game. I wonder how many other clubs identify potential transfers in this way? Loads do and it’s common knowledge. Seems so..not being common I didn't know however.
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Post by gawa on Jan 14, 2023 0:06:56 GMT
How do you think Kim Kallstrom had such a good career and even ended up at Arsenal. FM old school wonder kid.
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 14, 2023 0:21:30 GMT
Computers and their associated algorithms are washing the World into an uninspiring and stiflingly controlled shade of grey. I personally agree with the following insightful quote
"The real danger is not that computers will begin to think like men, but that men will begin to think like computers."
Sydney J. Harris
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2023 0:31:13 GMT
Loads do and it’s common knowledge. Seems so..not being common I didn't know however. It’s why the football manager comments by smart arses never held any water. It’s not the bee all and end all but it’s a decent starting point.
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Post by onionman on Jan 14, 2023 0:37:35 GMT
I think our recruitment department uses Soccer Boss, the game I played on my Spectrum in the 1980s.
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Post by flash on Jan 14, 2023 0:47:00 GMT
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 14, 2023 1:04:35 GMT
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Post by dirtclod on Jan 14, 2023 1:27:20 GMT
Been better off using Mob Boss by far.
Oh we'd have a spine.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 14, 2023 7:08:42 GMT
It's about the most comprehensive database of footballers there is.
For professional clubs, every player in the world has pretty much already been 'scouted' for you by fans of every club, and you can guarantee that most players have a reasonably accurate profile on there in terms of what they're good at and the kind of player they are.
Where it's not always accurate of course is the potential that players have. Very often, players who go on to great things in real life don't in the game, or vice versa. However, if you want a new CDM and want to find out how many players there are of that type in whatever division, I can't think of a better way of doing that than going on FM and getting the list up.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 14, 2023 7:25:42 GMT
Does this data base record and report player mentality and potential commitment? Just asking with Palacios, Imbula, Beharino, Wimmer and other of our wasters in mind.
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Post by noustie on Jan 14, 2023 7:28:47 GMT
How do you think Kim Kallstrom had such a good career and even ended up at Arsenal. FM old school wonder kid. I'm old enough to remember Tom Youngs going from playing in front of 200-300 at Abbey Stadium for Cambridge to global superstar- think they retired his shirt. I remember reading a story a few years back where the fans of a Scandinavian team pretended they had a wonderkid on the books coming through and scouts kept turning up to watch a lad that didn't exist 😉
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 14, 2023 8:25:06 GMT
Sega aren't the company that make the game. They are the publisher. The company that make the game are a company called Sports Interactive.
Sports Interactive was formed by two brothers from a Shropshire farm, called Paul and Oliver Collyer. Two Everton fans who made the original Championship Manager in their bedroom.
They formed their company and moved to London where a guy called Miles Jacobsen got involved as a tester and ultimately where he is today, as studio director. Miles is the public face of the game today and is a huge Watford fan.
They have scouts for most if not every club in the world who rank the players right the way down to U18 level. They have algorithms that ensure people aren't over ranking their players and the accuracy is scarily good. A lot of the so called "wonderkids" are predicted quite accurately in the game.
Everton were the first to use the database under David Moyes and it is rumoured that is how he found Marouane Fellaini. As said above, nowadays the database is actually far bigger than what is used in the game and is licensed to clubs to use professionally.
Looking at it the other way round and from the game perspective, they host regular in house tech talks with football professionals to help them to make their game as close to how a professional football club runs as possible. Alex Neil has been involved in one of those I believe, along with many, many others.
That only covers a fraction of it. Do a bit of reading into Football Manager, the Collyer brothers, Sports Interactive and a lot more and you might find it fascinating. You might not but it's an interesting read either way.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 14, 2023 8:35:21 GMT
Does this data base record and report player mentality and potential commitment? Just asking with Palacios, Imbula, Beharino, Wimmer and other of our wasters in mind. Has personality type. Volatile Progression Resolute Model citizen (the best) Amongst others
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 14, 2023 8:55:49 GMT
Champ Manager 01/02. Taribo West on a free.
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Post by shakermaker on Jan 14, 2023 9:18:13 GMT
My understanding is they sell their data outside of the game to clubs. Its scary how accurate it is So is the data sold to clubs exactly what you find in the game, or does the data sold to clubs contain more granular levels of stats not found in the game?
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Post by stokeuk474 on Jan 14, 2023 9:35:51 GMT
Cherno Samba. Guaranteed 25 goals a season if you signed him.
Also liked Julen Guerrero from Athletic Bilbao. Quality player
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 14, 2023 9:36:31 GMT
Champ Manager 01/02. Taribo West on a free. Stefan Selakovic (SP) and Peter Hansen from Halmstad were my go to when I was Stoke
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Post by nott1 on Jan 14, 2023 9:48:23 GMT
Does this data base record and report player mentality and potential commitment? Just asking with Palacios, Imbula, Beharino, Wimmer and other of our wasters in mind. Has personality type. Volatile Progression Resolute Model citizen (the best) Amongst others I could think of a few more adjectives for some of our players but you couldn't put then in print!
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Post by desman2 on Jan 14, 2023 9:59:43 GMT
My top scorers in the FM 23 game are Delap and Fosu.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 14, 2023 10:03:15 GMT
Martin Palermo
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Post by lagwafis on Jan 14, 2023 10:19:43 GMT
I won us the Champions League with a back three of Paolo Maldini, Cafu and Justin Whittle on Championship Manager 96/97
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 14, 2023 11:15:10 GMT
The modern obsession with computers represents..The movement away from inspiration and the magic it can unpredictably create towards the cold embrace of digital conformity and the fake predictability it, in turn, causes. That's my personal quote.
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Post by marylandstoke on Jan 14, 2023 11:57:31 GMT
Does this data base record and report player mentality and potential commitment? Just asking with Palacios, Imbula, Beharino, Wimmer and other of our wasters in mind. Very much so. I am in the process (accidentally) of destroying Forrest Green due to a change of team captain. Moral, man management, ability to be coached are all metrics. It seems to me that there is a degree of snobbery in people that deride using this data base because it’s part of a game. If it was the same data base but issued by, say, Lloyds of London well, what’s all the fuss about? As stated above, millions upon millions of football and sawker fans updating your rt data base 24 hours a day. Maybe we should be getting a couple of fan based advisers playing FM23 on the transfer committee. To be frank, personally, I don’t think it could be any worse than the last few windows anyway.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2023 11:59:11 GMT
Does this data base record and report player mentality and potential commitment? Just asking with Palacios, Imbula, Beharino, Wimmer and other of our wasters in mind. Very much so. I am in the process (accidentally) of destroying Forrest Green due to a change of team captain. Moral, man management, ability to be coached are all metrics. It seems to me that there is a degree of snobbery in people that deride using this data base because it’s part of a game. If it was the same data base but issued by, say, Lloyds of London well, what’s all the fuss about? As stated above, millions upon millions of football and sawker fans updating your rt data base 24 hours a day. Maybe we should be getting a couple of fan based advisers playing FM23 on the transfer committee. To be frank, personally, I don’t think it could be any worse than the last few windows anyway. There was that snobbery but I always just thought it was old blokes who didn’t have a clue so that made it funny.
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Post by boult on Jan 14, 2023 12:05:45 GMT
Champ Manager 01/02. Taribo West on a free. Stefan Selakovic (SP) and Peter Hansen from Halmstad were my go to when I was Stoke Onesimo and Dime Kuzev (though he cost about 60K) ring a bell as well.....
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