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Post by Milkie on Jan 12, 2023 17:52:24 GMT
Stoke City - “ the most difficult football team to manage in football with what goes on behind the scenes” a quote from mad Nath this morning. This mirrors previous quotes from the Wigan manager a few years back who stated “everybody in football knows what goes on at Stoke and how difficult it is to manage”
We all obviously have our opinion regarding the club, a mixture of:
- lack of forward thinking by the owners
- lack of structure
- previous impact of Scholes
- lack of culture
However, is there something else in the under current that we as mere fans have missed but is widely known by those
Inside football. Intriguing comments, maybe one for the fans council to ask for a response on?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 12, 2023 17:56:21 GMT
It's nonsense in my opinion. We're a great club to be the manager of, just because we're in a tough period doesn't means it's not an attractive proposition.
Unless Scholes was holding a gun to Jones' head and telling him to sign Stephen Ward, Sam Vokes, Jordan Cousins and the like I'd suggest he's wrong.........
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Post by willieeetmiout on Jan 12, 2023 17:56:58 GMT
This has got to be something to do with the transfer dong.
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Post by gawa on Jan 12, 2023 17:58:07 GMT
Nonsense. I took them from the championship to Europa League glory in 4 seasons then followed it up with a league cup, league title and fa/champions league runners up medals the next season. Just need myself and bayernoatcake at the helm. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 12, 2023 18:01:46 GMT
Stoke City - “ the most difficult football team to manage in football with what goes on behind the scenes” a quote from mad Nath this morning. This mirrors previous quotes from the Wigan manager a few years back who stated “everybody in football knows what goes on at Stoke and how difficult it is to manage” We all obviously have our opinion regarding the club, a mixture of: - lack of forward thinking by the owners - lack of structure - previous impact of Scholes - lack of culture However, is there something else in the under current that we as mere fans have missed but is widely known by those Inside football. Intriguing comments, maybe one for the fans council to ask for a response on? Plus Hughes’ comments along the lines of “ who else is gonna do the job” or words there of….. Mind you we’ve known this for a long time as it’s been commented on this board to the “enth” degree. |
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 12, 2023 18:04:57 GMT
Alternatively, Nathan Jones is full of shit
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Post by chad on Jan 12, 2023 18:06:36 GMT
Tony Pulis never had a problem
Just saying …..
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 12, 2023 18:12:33 GMT
We're in a rut - that much is clear - but the danger is we get carried away by our current situation.
We're a few months away from a clean bill of health from FFP (allegedly), that guarantees nothing of course but as long as we can see out this season with no dramas hopefully showing signs of progress in the meantime we'll be in a decent spot for next season. There's plenty of clubs who would love our owners, our infrastructure, potential fanbase and future potential...........
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Post by willieeetmiout on Jan 12, 2023 18:12:50 GMT
Tony Pulis never had a problem Just saying ….. He headbutted the Xmas party planner whilst naked? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 12, 2023 18:15:18 GMT
He was given loads of money and free rein to do what the fuck he wanted. He can fuck right off.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 12, 2023 18:15:30 GMT
Mad Nath hadn't a clue how to manage so blames others?
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Post by nott1 on Jan 12, 2023 18:16:31 GMT
Tony Pulis never had a problem Just saying ….. He headbutted the Xmas party planner whilst naked? Because? |
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 12, 2023 18:17:17 GMT
It's simple to write off Nathan as deluded but something is going wrong somewhere. With regards to Pulis that was when Peter was in charge not John. Since he took the helm things do appear to have gone downhill. It may well be an unfortunate coincidence or it may not. I am not in the know but just a sad fan of many years who is observing the club decline.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 12, 2023 18:18:59 GMT
It's simple to write off Nathan as deluded but something is going wrong somewhere. With regards to Pulis that was when Peter was in charge not John. Since he took the helm things do appear to have gone downhill. It may well be an unfortunate coincidence or it may not. I am not in the know but just a sad fan of many years who is observing the club decline. Of course it is, we’re a sack of shit but he could do whatever the hell he wanted and he fucked that. You can tell he’s won a game too, the mouthy cunt. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 12, 2023 18:19:32 GMT
Tony Pulis never had a problem Just saying ….. He headbutted the Xmas party planner whilst naked? Sounds more like an MP than a football manager!!! 😏 |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 12, 2023 18:21:33 GMT
If you don't want to run the football club properly, fuck off up the Vale!!! 😏
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Jan 12, 2023 18:22:17 GMT
It took a whopping six replies before Pulis was predictably mentioned.
Good fucking grief.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 12, 2023 18:26:58 GMT
Tony Pulis never had a problem Just saying ….. Well he did when he was picking his squad for Valencia and shitting himself over Swansea and Norwich Just saying |
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 12, 2023 18:27:02 GMT
It's simple to write off Nathan as deluded but something is going wrong somewhere. With regards to Pulis that was when Peter was in charge not John. Since he took the helm things do appear to have gone downhill. It may well be an unfortunate coincidence or it may not. I am not in the know but just a sad fan of many years who is observing the club decline. Of course it is, we’re a sack of shit but he could do whatever the hell he wanted and he fucked that. You can tell he’s won a game too, the mouthy cunt. As we agree we can ignore Nathan, where do you see the problem? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 12, 2023 18:28:43 GMT
Of course it is, we’re a sack of shit but he could do whatever the hell he wanted and he fucked that. You can tell he’s won a game too, the mouthy cunt. As we agree we can ignore Nathan, where do you see the problem? I think the board and the structure are a massive issue. But I think the manager has too much control. A good manager would get us winning as it’s their ship to sale. I don’t think it should be that way. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 12, 2023 18:41:03 GMT
Stoke City - “ the most difficult football team to manage in football with what goes on behind the scenes” a quote from mad Nath this morning. This mirrors previous quotes from the Wigan manager a few years back who stated “everybody in football knows what goes on at Stoke and how difficult it is to manage” We all obviously have our opinion regarding the club, a mixture of: - lack of forward thinking by the owners - lack of structure - previous impact of Scholes - lack of culture However, is there something else in the under current that we as mere fans have missed but is widely known by those Inside football. Intriguing comments, maybe one for the fans council to ask for a response on? Plus Hughes’ comments along the lines of “ who else is gonna do the job” or words there of….. Mind you we’ve known this for a long time as it’s been commented on this board to the “enth” degree. Hughes meant ‘who’s better than me, because I’m great’, he wasn’t talking about dark forces behind the scenes. He was given too much freedom if anything. |
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 12, 2023 18:41:19 GMT
It's simple to write off Nathan as deluded but something is going wrong somewhere. With regards to Pulis that was when Peter was in charge not John. Since he took the helm things do appear to have gone downhill. It may well be an unfortunate coincidence or it may not. I am not in the know but just a sad fan of many years who is observing the club decline. Of course it is, we’re a sack of shit but he could do whatever the hell he wanted and he fucked that. You can tell he’s won a game too, the mouthy cunt. My Saints mate has been sending some great quotes "Take the Liverpool game out of it because I was here one day, I'm at a 50% win ratio. "If I improve my win ratio in the Premier League, I'm sure the criticism will stop." "improve my win ratio" he's lost every game  |
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Post by willieeetmiout on Jan 12, 2023 18:45:54 GMT
He headbutted the Xmas party planner whilst naked? Because? He was a dick |
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Post by anchorman on Jan 12, 2023 18:47:59 GMT
Tony Pulis never had a problem Just saying ….. He headbutted the Xmas party planner whilst naked? As Chad said, Tony Pulis never had a problem......... |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 12, 2023 18:48:22 GMT
I think you have to take what Nathan Jones says with a pinch of salt.
However, the last decade or so has seen constant decline and a string of managers failing to turn our fortunes around.
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Jan 12, 2023 18:54:42 GMT
As we agree we can ignore Nathan, where do you see the problem? I think the board and the structure are a massive issue. But I think the manager has too much control. A good manager would get us winning as it’s their ship to sale. I don’t think it should be that way. Peter Coates himself said that he believes once you have your manager in place you let him ‘run the football club’ or words to that effect. On one hand that’s amazing to be given such free reign but modern football dictates that the manager is the coach and he does need a support structure around him. The problem with SCFC is that whenever a manager leaves the club he takes the ‘infrastructure’ with him. Every other club takes their manager in and out like a chess piece or a Lego man and slots the new guy into an already existing structure therefore causing less trauma to the club. Stoke need to get the best people in place to create a structure, ethos and right way of doing things that any manager can slot in to and thrive - until we do that we are doomed to the hit and hope approach that we’ve been punting on since Hughes sacking |
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Post by leicspotter on Jan 12, 2023 19:02:18 GMT
Proper businesses have "succession planning" but that never seems to be the case in football, especially at Stoke. England tried it, but only in a half hearted way, before they gave the job to McClaren...that went well  Watford sort of do it with their 'model' but even that seems a bit hit and miss. Clearly it isn't easy to 'manage' a football club, but a bit of consistency, in the planning department, would surely help? Having an 'identity' and recruiting (managers, coaches and players) accordingly would give some stability and put an end to all the chopping and changing of players each time a new boss is appointed |
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Post by chumley on Jan 12, 2023 19:05:58 GMT
Hughes commented that he would have a weekly meeet with Peter and John Coates, and the 1 question Hughes was always asked was " What do you need? If that's shit control of a club then christ knows what's good.. We got Billionaire local fans running the club who want to bring success and willing to pay to get it. Ask any other club if they would settle for that....
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 12, 2023 19:19:27 GMT
It's simple to write off Nathan as deluded but something is going wrong somewhere. With regards to Pulis that was when Peter was in charge not John. Since he took the helm things do appear to have gone downhill. It may well be an unfortunate coincidence or it may not. I am not in the know but just a sad fan of many years who is observing the club decline. Of course it is, we’re a sack of shit but he could do whatever the hell he wanted and he fucked that. You can tell he’s won a game too, the mouthy cunt. Two games back to back. A great. Chance to win a third this weekend as well. A bit early to presume he'll fail at Southampton. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 12, 2023 19:37:27 GMT
Hughes commented that he would have a weekly meeet with Peter and John Coates, and the 1 question Hughes was always asked was " What do you need? If that's shit control of a club then christ knows what's good.. We got Billionaire local fans running the club who want to bring success and willing to pay to get it. Ask any other club if they would settle for that.... That set up has helped to create this situation though hasn’t it? |
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