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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 22:02:03 GMT
Can’t figure out this guy or my feelings over him playing. Diouf is better in the air and both Gregory and Diouf are more mobile. That said, Vokes is likely the best finisher (other than perhaps Hogan) we have and most importantly, he’s effective. For what he may perceive to take away from the team, he’s now scored (Hull) and got an assist (tonight) in the last two games. Hard to drop a player who contributes at the right end!
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Post by dudnostokie on Dec 10, 2019 22:04:55 GMT
Agreed, and for a player who is "fat and lazy", I thought he put in a good shift today. It's a head scratcher for sure.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 10, 2019 22:06:32 GMT
I thought he was a complete immobile lump today.
The assist was basically a toe poke as he fell over. I could have made that pass
For a big lad hes a pussy in the air and never wins 50:50 headers.
Hes utter fucking gash
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Dec 10, 2019 22:09:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 22:09:53 GMT
I thought he was a complete immobile lump today. The assist was basically a toe poke as he fell over. I could have made that pass For a big lad hes a pussy in the air and never wins 50:50 headers. Hes utter fucking gash I’m sure you could have done yes. The toe poke was well weighted and put right in front of McClean on a stretch when he had to react to a loose ball. He doesn’t win as many headers as a big guy should with his back to goal, though “never” is a big stretch. He has however scored (from a header) and got an assist in his last two.
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Dec 10, 2019 22:11:11 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 10, 2019 22:11:11 GMT
He’s not good enough.
Bring back Gregory.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 10, 2019 22:12:02 GMT
He’s not good enough. Bring back Gregory. Needs to get back in the squad first
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Dec 10, 2019 22:15:11 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 10, 2019 22:15:11 GMT
Thought he was crap and have been very disappointed with him since he signed, expected a lot more.
I’ve seen grand pianos jump higher!
Was there ironic cheers when he finally won a header
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 22:17:44 GMT
I'd rather Diouf started and in fact tonight would have suited Diouf with the way he closes down defenders and runs the channels. I really don't see what Vokes offers
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Post by jonnybravo on Dec 10, 2019 22:19:45 GMT
Diouf won more headers in ten minutes than Vokes did in 80,he did set up McLean for the first goal though but needs a change though,ok we won but playing 4-5-1 again at home against a team we should be looking to beat to win is mind boggling
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Dec 10, 2019 22:43:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 22:43:05 GMT
I'd rather Diouf started and in fact tonight would have suited Diouf with the way he closes down defenders and runs the channels. I really don't see what Vokes offers A goal and an assist?
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Dec 10, 2019 22:43:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 22:43:54 GMT
Diouf won more headers in ten minutes than Vokes did in 80,he did set up McLean for the first goal though but needs a change though,ok we won but playing 4-5-1 again at home against a team we should be looking to beat to win is mind boggling We played 4-5-1 to win though? It wasn’t exactly a defensive set up?
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Dec 10, 2019 22:44:37 GMT
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Post by fortressbritannia on Dec 10, 2019 22:44:37 GMT
He reminds me of a shit Jon Parkin
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Post by sd22 on Dec 10, 2019 22:45:24 GMT
Not good enough. But, he did put a shift in and credit to him for that.
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Dec 10, 2019 22:45:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 22:45:48 GMT
I'd rather Diouf started and in fact tonight would have suited Diouf with the way he closes down defenders and runs the channels. I really don't see what Vokes offers A goal and an assist? I'm talking in general
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Dec 10, 2019 22:46:17 GMT
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Post by lordb on Dec 10, 2019 22:46:17 GMT
Needs a partner e.g Diouf when he paired up v Wigan.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 10, 2019 22:46:47 GMT
He didn’t impress me when Diouf came on he looked far more lively
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 10, 2019 22:48:50 GMT
Hes toss but he did ok tonight
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Dec 10, 2019 22:52:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 22:52:41 GMT
He played well tonight. Kept the two Luton defenders busy all night. It's a real tough gig playing that role.
Our balance out wide still isn't quite right to take full advantage.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 22:53:39 GMT
I mean, I agree. I struggle with him as the solo striker without Clucas pushing beyond him as it’s not easy to make him look poor. But what is more important, the end product or the rest? I like Diouf and Gregory, Gregory can hold a ball up and Diouf is very good at pressing and causes troubles, but do either of them seem more likely to finish the ball in the final third than Vokes? Football is all about opinions, but I disagree with him getting slated completely, when he has contributed a lot in the last two games. Not really his fault we fell apart at Hull, or having few actual crosses in the box tonight anywhere near him.
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Post by Squeekster on Dec 10, 2019 22:55:57 GMT
Can’t figure out this guy or my feelings over him playing. Diouf is better in the air and both Gregory and Diouf are more mobile. That said, Vokes is likely the best finisher (other than perhaps Hogan) we have and most importantly, he’s effective. For what he may perceive to take away from the team, he’s now scored (Hull) and got an assist (tonight) in the last two games. Hard to drop a player who contributes at the right end! Vokes is likely the best finisher? Based on what?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 10, 2019 23:04:22 GMT
I'd rather Diouf started and in fact tonight would have suited Diouf with the way he closes down defenders and runs the channels. I really don't see what Vokes offers He wouldn't last 10 mins
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Post by Gob Bluth on Dec 10, 2019 23:14:26 GMT
I judge Vokes on what I thought we were getting or why I assumed we were spending 9m on a 30 year old which is probably not fair on him. I assumed we were getting someone to hold the ball up or win some aerial balls which is what he used to have as a youngster. He should be able to do this but the aggregations is just not there. The other strikers we have do the other things we need.
I do worry with MoN's approach of getting balls into the box when we come up against teams with decent centre backs, WBA being an example if Vokes is our best aerial threat.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 10, 2019 23:16:35 GMT
I judge Vokes on what I thought we were getting or why I assumed we were spending 9m on a 30 year old which is probably not fair on him. I assumed we were getting someone to hold the ball up or win some aerial balls which is what he used to have as a youngster. He should be able to do this but the aggregations is just not there. The other strikers we have do the other things we need. I do worry with MoN's approach of getting balls into the box when we come up against teams with decent centre backs, WBA being an example if Vokes is our best aerial threat. I’m not too bothered about WBA, if MON can get enough wins against other “poor” to see us safe this season, then job done Agree that Vokes looks like poor return on investment though
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Post by philm87 on Dec 10, 2019 23:30:19 GMT
I thought he was toss again tonight.
Would much prefer Gregory back. Not a great finisher but his all round game and hold up play is excellent.
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Dec 10, 2019 23:33:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 23:33:07 GMT
He’s not good enough. Bring back Gregory. Don’t get the Gregory love in, he’s a nothing player. Vokes did alright tonight, no more or less. But as an attacking threat we looked dangerous.......
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Post by LankyPotter on Dec 10, 2019 23:36:03 GMT
Regardless of whether you think he is a good or a bad player, sarcastically cheering when he wins a header is the most pathetic thing I’ve ever witnessed. Stinks of tinpot.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Dec 10, 2019 23:39:50 GMT
I judge Vokes on what I thought we were getting or why I assumed we were spending 9m on a 30 year old which is probably not fair on him. I assumed we were getting someone to hold the ball up or win some aerial balls which is what he used to have as a youngster. He should be able to do this but the aggregations is just not there. The other strikers we have do the other things we need. I do worry with MoN's approach of getting balls into the box when we come up against teams with decent centre backs, WBA being an example if Vokes is our best aerial threat. I’m not too bothered about WBA, if MON can get enough wins against other “poor” to see us safe this season, then job done Agree that Vokes looks like poor return on investment though I don't know enough about the league but if poor teams have a couple of big, half decent centre backs we could struggle to break them down. I'm a fan of this tactical transition, in my small mind it makes it feel like we're getting closer to the goal on more occasions than we did under our previous couple of managers.
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 10, 2019 23:39:57 GMT
We need a striker who scores goals and it appears on current evidence we still don't have one on the books. It's criminal after the money that's been spent. Relying on defenders and midfielders to score is not the way forward yet we've been doing this for years now. Great win tonight though so that's a positive
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Dec 10, 2019 23:54:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 23:54:07 GMT
Regardless of whether you think he is a good or a bad player, sarcastically cheering when he wins a header is the most pathetic thing I’ve ever witnessed. Stinks of tinpot. Especially when he’d already previously won a few....
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Post by stokecity4life on Dec 10, 2019 23:55:21 GMT
Hes shit.
Immobile, wins nothing, cant hold the ball up, nothing sticks to him.
Diouf did more in 2 minutes than he did in the whole match.
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