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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 13:17:15 GMT
I notice Toxic's cheerleaders are very conspicuous by their absence after yesterdays game. Understandable after watching WBA yesterday. 4 wins in 2017 yet he's the saviour of SCFC. Also, I'd like to point out we are 3 points behind a team managed by the best manager in the world. As you were. Who has called Silva the best manager in the world he was one of the best options that were realistic to us in the Summer but Coates chose to stick with this eunuch.
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Shaq
Dec 24, 2017 13:11:28 GMT
Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 13:11:28 GMT
Yeah because he's hite every week isn't he . Goon. Perhaps having more than one piano player might be the answer but your mate hasn't got the bollox for that kind of thing any more has he. He hasnt had a decent game since palace. In the consistency stakes hes hardly someone to rely on is he? Dunno what you expect he's surpassed my expectations this season its a shame there is no more flair in the side. If we still had Arnie and he's turned it on as often as Shaq has this season our position would be healthier and our games might be more watchable but you just keep replacing your pianists with carriers to satisfy your need for application. Personally I'll stick to my own belief that its a recipe for disaster a self inflicted hell.
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Shaq
Dec 24, 2017 12:59:01 GMT
Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 12:59:01 GMT
He did run about, nonsense to say he didn't. He just played way below his own standards.To be fair to Albion they closed down the space very well. Factor in the fact with Crouch as the only striker than Albion could play higher up the pitch so space was at a premium. And he still put in two or three dangerous free kicks. He is not a luxury player,he is a match winner. Huddersfield on their own ground will try and win the game, Shaqiri (& others) will have more space. My money is on him having a good game and if he does we will be a threat. I like him but disagree he is a luxury player but life without luxury becomes an existence. Get more legs and physical presence in your side and stop expecting your piano player/s to run around like headless chickens. Get some stronger piano carriers who can actually carry a piano without calling for a forklift and things might improve.
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Shaq
Dec 24, 2017 12:53:58 GMT
Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 12:53:58 GMT
If you want a piano carrier its always best to play one as piano players being expected to carry the piano will almost always disappoint. So not only does the piano player want the piano carriers to put him on the front foot, he wants them to do his running as well. Perhaps he also wants the piano carriers to take on a lumbering centre half for him and put over a cross that beats the first defender for him? Hes already got one of them taking free kicks and corners for him. They'll be making sure he puts his boots on the right feet next. Yeah because he's shite every week isn't he . Goon. Perhaps having more than one piano player might be the answer but your mate hasn't got the bollox for that kind of thing any more has he.
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 12:50:28 GMT
I will 1000% be behind the team. I will not be happy clapping a manager who makes decisions that I think have been proven over and over again to be stupid. So you not going to get behind the Manager and give him your full and unequivocal support ???? Absofuckinglutely NOT !
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Shaq
Dec 24, 2017 12:39:34 GMT
Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 12:39:34 GMT
Surely you can see that the more we are forced/choose to play on the backfoot, the more negative and defensive our game the less effective he is going to be. He's a little magician who will produce moments that win you games this is not something that happens every week even for the best players in the best teams. In Pulis terms he's a piano player not a piano carrier it's something you have to decide just how many piano carriers you want to watch. If you have a few piano players and they play you a symphony a handful of times a season you'll have a very good season. Many Stoke fans just seem to want a team full of piano carriers what a depressing aspiration. Is it to much to ask that when hes playing poorly, the very least he could do is run around and offer so work ethic? He was a disgrace yesterday. If you want a piano carrier its always best to play one as piano players being expected to carry the piano will almost always disappoint.
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 12:37:46 GMT
We came back on for the second half! Take a look at something other than the scoreboard occasionally we weren't very good in the first either.
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 12:34:46 GMT
He was a passenger yesterday and it's what made Edwards' performance even better as he was totally exposed. Ramadan came on and was the complete opposite to Shaq and it helped. He's allowed an off day though, I just wish he'd offer some of the basics when he does have one. He does seem to either be the best player on the pitch or one of the worst. Rarely an in between with him. Surely you can see that the more we are forced/choose to play on the backfoot, the more negative and defensive our game the less effective he is going to be. He's a little magician who will produce moments that win you games this is not something that happens every week even for the best players in the best teams. In Pulis terms he's a piano player not a piano carrier it's something you have to decide just how many piano carriers you want to watch. If you have a few piano players and they play you a symphony a handful of times a season you'll have a very good season. Many Stoke fans just seem to want a team full of piano carriers what a depressing aspiration.
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 12:23:07 GMT
I think you have totally read this wrong as Captain and main CB Ryan positions the line for offside. He's actually not in a bad position. The two full backs looking along that line should be at least level and ideally a yard further forward. The ball over the top would have been marginally offside if Wimmer hadn't played him on, worse still from a position of no threat on the left. Ryan has no idea at the moment if he can trust everyone else to move with him. The amount of times this season we have been caught with a simple ball over the top is shocking. The reason Ryan looked so good with Huth is they were on 20 yards of bungee cord between them. Ryan and BMI get that not too bad. But the two wide have totally lost their sense of position. He had a reasonably good game overall. The goal has to go down as his fault because he needs to read if his defensive partners are in line with him. He pushed up for offside, and Wimmer played him onside, that is what you get for constant changing of defensive formation and personnel, accepting somtimes the latter point will be forced. I think your general point is spot on. As for criticism of the chip ball into Crouch, surely this is a tactic the manager is asking us to play, people should blame MH for that one if they don’t like it, not Ryan. It's a lazy tactic and isn't proving very productive at all god only knows why the manager is so obsessed with it. You do get the feeling that Ryan loves that easy option much more than he should.
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 11:49:43 GMT
A dive, he's on his way down before the tackle/ contact comes in. Orrible smary cnut of a person. He initiates the contact, ensures it happens whatever you want to call it he was going down regardless he'd made his mind up about that before there was any contact whatsoever blatant cheating.
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 11:43:34 GMT
Negatives? -pretty much the entire second half AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!! and, I am totally fed up craning my neck for the entire said second halves, whilst watching rubbish football teams take the initiative and proceed to give us another self inflicted going over. Simply not good enough for this to be routine(mr Hughes) whilst playing in front of your home support Thank fuck, I though it must be me becoming the Grinch, all these happy little Christmas elves must have been sniffing Santa's Sherry for too fucking long if they think that dross is in any way shape or form acceptable.
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 10:19:14 GMT
Will retrospective action be taken? Cheats from every team should be punished, not just those at the less fashionable clubs. Unbelievable shit spouted by Danny Murphy on MOTD trying to make out it was a definite penalty. When a lesser profile player does it its diving when high profile England players do it he just "fell into his legs" laughed my bollox of at that fucking quote.
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Shaq
Dec 24, 2017 10:14:27 GMT
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 10:14:27 GMT
Yeah I've been there through league one and the championship so I obviously only choose the good times. I'm more the sort who'd give up and come back when we'd found a level where we felt we could compete in a game of football. Glory hunting couldn't be further from the truth. Now that i do understand and i can understand anyone who is disillusioned with the whole premier league shit. Clearly though, if you want to watch world stars like shaqiri, we need to be a part of it and all that entails. Mid table mediocrity is little fun however we are playing. Mid table mediocrity is fine for me I really don't expect to be winning things. I never had a problem with Macari teams there were no world stars or carpet football just guaranteed positive intent which I do demand.
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Shaq
Dec 24, 2017 10:04:20 GMT
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 10:04:20 GMT
Smalltime in every way you'd rather sit in a half empty ground than realise that of the people there a large proportion have different priorities than you. I will never support another football club but I can take a view from a distance until mine better reflects what I want it to. Small time, small minded, shit suffering life's too short enjoy. There you go again with your snobbery. You are the worst type of football supporter imaginable, every bit as repulsive as the legions of glory hunting wankers that attach themselves to manure. We aren't as good as i want us to be so I'll fuck off and hide until things are better then come crawling back to enjoy the good times. Yeah I've been there through league one and the championship so I obviously only choose the good times. I'm more the sort who'd give up and come back when we'd found a level where we felt we could compete in a game of football. Glory hunting couldn't be further from the truth.
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Shaq
Dec 24, 2017 9:44:17 GMT
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 9:44:17 GMT
Utter shit Ric was fantastic for us Shaq's is a world star. He's not cut out for the type of football we're playing he needs to be in a team that plays on the front foot, that doesn't make him an infuriating show pony just cut out for something better than he's been lumbered with, we aren't the team he signed for. The game needs these players you label show ponies to stop it being as dull as dishwater. Total nonsense Alster Misty eyed nonsense Stoke blinkers like so many on here.
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Shaq
Dec 24, 2017 9:40:56 GMT
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 9:40:56 GMT
Difference between a football fan who supports Stoke and a Stoke fan who happens to watch football. Different priorities obviously too much to get your head around, I understand you don't. As ive posted elsewhere, season tickets at man city are fairly easy to come by. I might buy you ine just to get rid of you You, my man, are a fucking snob. A footballing snob but a snob all the same. Smalltime in every way you'd rather sit in a half empty ground than realise that of the people there a large proportion have different priorities than you. I will never support another football club but I can take a view from a distance until mine better reflects what I want it to. Small time, small minded, shit suffering life's too short enjoy.
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Shaq
Dec 24, 2017 9:25:14 GMT
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 9:25:14 GMT
Utter shit Ric was fantastic for us Shaq's is a world star. He's not cut out for the type of football we're playing he needs to be in a team that plays on the front foot, that doesn't make him an infuriating show pony just cut out for something better than he's been lumbered with, we aren't the team he signed for. The game needs these players you label show ponies to stop it being as dull as dishwater. A world star needs his teammates to be able to showcase his abilities yet a journeyman forward with dodgy knees can carry the attacking threat of his team on his own shoulders for years? Shaqiri plays like hes doing us a favour and you love him whilst slamming anything and everything else about our club. You couldnt make this shit up. Difference between a football fan who supports Stoke and a Stoke fan who happens to watch football. Different priorities obviously too much to get your head around, I understand you don't.
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 9:20:51 GMT
Even if it's playing like a poor imitation of a Tony Pulis team? absofukcinglutely. We know Mark Hughes can produce a team capable of playing good football and we know he can produce a team that isn't scared of its own shadow. Pulis comes back and we know exactly what we are getting. The only positive to Pulis coming back is that you will soon fuck off and hand your season ticket back! Do we. I know what he was capable of, he's been a different manager pursuing a different brand of football for and awfully long time. Don't see much difference between him and Pulis. Pulis was better at organising the sort of shit show we're witnessing. I'm not ashamed to say its not something I want to watch either done well or badly. I actually like the game whereas you only seem to like Stoke City.
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Shaq
Dec 24, 2017 9:13:03 GMT
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 9:13:03 GMT
What utter guff. I loved Ric but Shaq's output is higher in terms of scoring and creating at this level. He's a creative attacking player I'm really not sure what people expect when we play this shit backs to the wall 9 behind the ball football. Sad fact is he's a relic from when we had ambition and aspiration to do things better. I find it fascinating that you are unable to enjoy a win of any description because of your "holier than thou" footballing principles yet you will continue to defend an individual performance that is and was far more cowardly than anything his teammates produced as a team. Ricardo Fuller carried a team far worse in ability than this one yet the lionheart can't even carry his own performances. Shaqiri has an over inflated reputation and even more over inflated ego. He's nowhere near as good as he thinks he is. Ricardo Fuller was the polar opposite. Hugely underrated and a player capable of carrying a shit, backs to the wall, 10 behind the ball football team, on his own. Shaqiri is nowhere near that level. Not even remotely close to it. He's nothing more than an infuriating show pony who plays like he's doing us a favour. Utter shit Ric was fantastic for us Shaq's is a world star. He's not cut out for the type of football we're playing he needs to be in a team that plays on the front foot, that doesn't make him an infuriating show pony just cut out for something better than he's been lumbered with, we aren't the team he signed for. The game needs these players you label show ponies to stop it being as dull as dishwater.
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 9:04:45 GMT
If they’d scored from one of those corners at the end instead of Ramadan making it 3-1, would people still think we’d ‘played well’? Apart from Shanghai, I'm not sure anyone would say we played well. We've played far better this season and lost. We did, however, win a game where no other result was acceptable. Breath it in, enjoy your Christmas and go again on Boxing Day. The shadow of Tony Pulis has disappeared for another game and I can happily live with that. Whatever it takes to keep him away from our club is more than acceptable to me. Even if it's playing like a poor imitation of a Tony Pulis team?
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 9:02:03 GMT
He worked harder than he has done in previous games and produced some quality on the ball. Hopefully he can push on now and put such performances in on a more consistent basis. Yup think he has a tendency to play well within himself needs to bust a gut a lot more often. He's a lot faster than you think because he sprints so infrequently and he has very decent Strength and physical presence that he could make better use of. I think he relies a bit too much on being a sound technical player and that's not quite enough in this league. Has the potential to become a special player if he can see these issues and use all his attributes to the full. Decent bit of player management by Hughes not often I say that nowadays.
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Shaq
Dec 24, 2017 8:46:55 GMT
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 8:46:55 GMT
Ethertington was decent but nowhere near the level of Shaqiri and as much as I love Ricardo Fuller it’s clear that Shaqiri is a different class to him. If he stays injury free (which is a big if) then he is good enough to play for a decent champions league team. We are lucky to have him. and that's what makes him all the more infuriating. He might have more raw talent but he doesn't use it and he's nowhere near as effective...and in terms of ability, he can't hold a torch to Ricardo Fuller. He's not even close. What utter guff. I loved Ric but Shaq's output is higher in terms of scoring and creating at this level. He's a creative attacking player I'm really not sure what people expect when we play this shit backs to the wall 9 behind the ball football. Sad fact is he's a relic from when we had ambition and aspiration to do things better.
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 0:43:34 GMT
When we try to open up,we are as leaky as a sieve. No protection for the defence from midfield, and a bunch of statues at the heart of defence. We can't afford to open up, we aren't good enough. Not good enough to go toe to toe with West Brom, then all concerned should be thoroughly ashamed of their performance of their roles.
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 0:36:58 GMT
He's got to revert to 4231. We're a poor enough team as it is and he's wasting his best player these last few games. We played 4231 today. 433 to me with Shaq wasted on the right instead of having the freedom to effect the game in the 10. Suppose you're going to say Joe played in the 10 not for me he was one of a central 3 maybe with a licence to get forward a bit more than the other 2 but still doing a lot of work in the deeper areas too. Difficult to call a formation when you spend so much time in your own half with 9 behind the ball.
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Post by alster on Dec 24, 2017 0:26:11 GMT
No regrets I'll do it again if they keep burying their heads in the sand. The football is every bit as bad as it ever was. Have you not got any mates to dull the pain? You are effectively saying you'll only go if we are good which is pretty riduculous in my opinion given that in the main, certainly in my lifetime, we've always been pretty shite even when we've supposedly been good. Nothing to do with having to be good or being shite I just haven't got time for what we're trying to do so whether we do it well or poorly I'm not going to enjoy it. I'm well aware there are many of our fans who don't care how we try to play as long as we stay up but for me if we can't play with more ambition it may well be time for a break until something changes. Our tactics and play are so timid I'm finding it difficult to find any respect for my own team. If this is how we have to play to stay in the money maybe for me it needs a relegation or two so we can find our level where we feel able to take on our peers with a bit of ambition and positive intent.
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Post by alster on Dec 23, 2017 22:34:04 GMT
Still trying to get decent seats back in the Sentinel stand after doing our bit to see the last anti football manager sacked. Low and behold his replacement has turned into a poor imitation of his predecessor. Serves you right for giving up in the first place. No regrets I'll do it again if they keep burying their heads in the sand. The football is every bit as bad as it ever was.
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Post by alster on Dec 23, 2017 22:20:43 GMT
Sitting in the South stand you'd have been better off with a blindfold. Whilst sitting in the sentinel stand you could simply bask in the glow of a huge 3 points. I'd suggest you move seats ya miserable bastard Still trying to get decent seats back in the Sentinel stand after doing our bit to see the last anti football manager sacked. Low and behold his replacement has turned into a poor imitation of his predecessor.
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Post by alster on Dec 23, 2017 22:13:04 GMT
He's got to revert to 4231. We're a poor enough team as it is and he's wasting his best player these last few games. Honestly how he has been playing this long with strikers that can't score goals and no number 10 I can't comprehend Shouldn't worry about it too much if you were on his wavelength you might need a new jacket with extra long arms.
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Post by alster on Dec 23, 2017 22:09:53 GMT
Everything said in this thread is absolutely true. Thank fuck for the win but sitting in the Boothen you need binoculars in the second half to watch the game. 2-0 up and hanging on as usual. Boring shite Sitting in the South stand you'd have been better off with a blindfold.
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Post by alster on Dec 23, 2017 22:01:36 GMT
Anyway, Fletcher needs a break. Yup the rest of his 2 year contract so there's no way he can take up the option of a third FFS what were they thinking.
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