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Post by riponstokie on Aug 13, 2014 17:58:56 GMT
His best game in the red and white was actually for Chelsea. Two own goals and a missed penalty. Prick
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Post by riponstokie on Aug 10, 2014 18:47:26 GMT
I agree odders was vital but Jon's ability to support the midfield aswell as crouchy was also a big part in last seasons turn around. And as for his intentions he simply said whatever any footballer on the planet would say whether they're a team player or not and that's they want to be playing week in week out. I thought Walters was a striker or winger as he was when Pulis signed him from the tractor drivers ?, as for wanting to play every week as you say all players should want to play every week, if they are good enough that is what should happen in the case of JW he has played at times when it was blatantly obvious to the majority he was not good enough especially under Pulis, I think this a big part of the issue's people have with him maybe a little unfairly sometimes, however it may be his turn to sit it out on the bench as others are chosen to start before him, let's see how much of a team player he is in this scenario. I agree he is not going to start before the likes of Bojan, Arnie and Diouf however under TP Walters played the best football of his career just look at his goal at home against Chelsea when he ripped Luiz a new one or the class finish against Bolton in the semi so I think you are a bit off claiming not only he wasn't good enough but also that the majority of people believed he wasn't.
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Post by riponstokie on Aug 10, 2014 16:15:34 GMT
I agree we played our best football towards the end of the season which could partly be down to Jon's suspension. I do not think he should have a place in the starting line up come Saturday however we need to remember he did play a big part in our seasons turn around when we had to play more direct with a more solid structure at the time we looked like we were going down. The turning point for me was the signing of Odemwingie, his inclusion in the forward position injected pace into the forward line, Walters slows the game down and creates very little, we looked a much more potent threat when he was out of the side. As a sub when we need to close a game out he could do a job, however he has made his intentions known about not starting as a regular so in effect has signed his own transfer request, if he was a true team player he would not have made that statement in the press. I agree odders was vital but Jon's ability to support the midfield aswell as crouchy was also a big part in last seasons turn around. And as for his intentions he simply said whatever any footballer on the planet would say whether they're a team player or not and that's they want to be playing week in week out.
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Post by riponstokie on Aug 10, 2014 12:58:04 GMT
What many of you appear to have forgotten is Jon Walters played a massive part in the turn around that came after we had a massive slide down the table and looked, as far as I was concerned, destined to go down. However Hughes changed the team around as signing Odem allowed John to play in the centre where he had the engine to get up and support crouch then drop back in to make up the numbers in midfield. This is something Hughes obviously realised as Jon kept his place in the team and that system with Jon in the middle played a massive part in our season and how successful it was. We played our best football all season when Walters got himself banned, he then struggled to get back into the team, so I can't see what you are basing this post on. I agree we played our best football towards the end of the season which could partly be down to Jon's suspension. I do not think he should have a place in the starting line up come Saturday however we need to remember he did play a big part in our seasons turn around when we had to play more direct with a more solid structure at the time we looked like we were going down.
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Post by riponstokie on Aug 10, 2014 8:45:07 GMT
What many of you appear to have forgotten is Jon Walters played a massive part in the turn around that came after we had a massive slide down the table and looked, as far as I was concerned, destined to go down. However Hughes changed the team around as signing Odem allowed John to play in the centre where he had the engine to get up and support crouch then drop back in to make up the numbers in midfield. This is something Hughes obviously realised as Jon kept his place in the team and that system with Jon in the middle played a massive part in our season and how successful it was. Utter tripe Can I ask mate which bit specifically do you think is tripe? Don't want to start an argument just interested.
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Post by riponstokie on Aug 10, 2014 7:52:49 GMT
What many of you appear to have forgotten is Jon Walters played a massive part in the turn around that came after we had a massive slide down the table and looked, as far as I was concerned, destined to go down. However Hughes changed the team around as signing Odem allowed John to play in the centre where he had the engine to get up and support crouch then drop back in to make up the numbers in midfield. This is something Hughes obviously realised as Jon kept his place in the team and that system with Jon in the middle played a massive part in our season and how successful it was.
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Post by riponstokie on Apr 16, 2014 21:24:01 GMT
Just goes to show what TP can do when 100% of a football club is behind him. What a load of absolute horse shit. No it isn't horse shit it's the truth. We needed pace and power. He sourced that in January and was stitched up. If he was backed we'd have finished top 8. He should be manager of the year. The man is a legend and although Hughes has done a great job, I personally can't warm to him and one year on I am not embarrassed to say that I still miss TP and wish he was still here.
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Post by riponstokie on Mar 29, 2014 22:31:39 GMT
Unbelievable! Jonathan Walters is an absolute legend, a credit to the shirt which he wears with pride. You lot make me poorly. Tossers the lot of you. SUPER JOHNY WALTERS!!!!
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Post by riponstokie on Mar 26, 2014 21:13:20 GMT
What a fucking twonk. Some of us were posting this months back, about the same time as some tools were telling us we're doomed, Arnie is dog shit and the manager is clueless. But at the time all those things were true - we were dead and buried, Arnie was absolute shite and the manager was absolutely clueless. However, we are now looking good, Arnie has seemingly grown up, turned up and decided to put a shift in and at the moment the manager seems to have a clue and long may it continue!
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Post by riponstokie on Mar 23, 2014 20:50:13 GMT
Been banging on all season how Walters had cost us you look at odenwinge and he is everything Walters is not. He takes his chances and uses his energy in the right areas. We would have won more games with the quality of these sort of players Walters is not good enough and has not been good enough for a long time now. So please mark Hughes leave Walters out in the future it's been a joy to watch without him. We wouldn't have won a hell of a lot of games without the legend that is Super John so keep your simplistic shite opinions to yourself. Great win today no doubt, however it just goes to show (shock horror!) that we have a half decent squad. please grow up.
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Post by riponstokie on Mar 16, 2014 20:43:21 GMT
To be honest I thought they had a cracking following and certainly one of the better away supporters this season. Brought plenty, passionate and were far better than our away support at Upton Park. For whatever reason we don't take big numbers away anymore and I find that disappointing and slightly embarrassing.
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Post by riponstokie on Mar 10, 2014 20:38:18 GMT
Poor first half of season, much improved second. Behind the usual suspects, Asmir, Ryan, Cameron, Adam, Nzonzi Etc. Behind Nzonzi !!!!! Having a laugh surely Shock horror I completely agree with Werrington!!! Behind N'Zonzi - ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!
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Post by riponstokie on Mar 10, 2014 20:35:48 GMT
Just shows what a proper coaching team can do with a mediocre player. Oh shut up! What a silly comment. Glen Whelan is doing what he has always done whoever the manager is/coaching staff. He steps up to the plate and steps up his game each and every time it's required.
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Post by riponstokie on Feb 25, 2014 17:26:42 GMT
And if they were on the form they were prior to 3/4 weeks ago they would have put a shit load past us. It is because they are not playing well that kept the score down. If people choose not to see that then that is upto them. Let me get this right. If we play badly it's all the fault of the manager. If we play well the opposition were a bit shit. Ok, I get the rules now. Surely you already knew this?! These rules have been in place for a long time now. They were made and created by all the previous manager's haters and detractors! I think you knew that didn't you?
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Post by riponstokie on Feb 22, 2014 23:38:35 GMT
So why do successive managers pick him... i'd rather Walters than show ponies like Arnautovic... Walters has been a great servant... and all that bollocks. or all that bollocks that you spout........................................................
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Post by riponstokie on Feb 13, 2014 10:06:00 GMT
Before the game I was fearing that they may treat it as an end of season game, and that's what it looked like. Instead of spending £400k on this jolly they should have had a couple of days up and down the Trentham hills. Absolutely! That was what I feared and indeed witnessed. They looked like they were already on the 'beach/sand!' Flat, unmotivated, slow - awful tbh!
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Post by riponstokie on Feb 12, 2014 9:30:47 GMT
Firstly Mama is and was an exceptional gentleman with an impeccable character and a very nice bloke. We got promoted thanks to the brilliance and goals of Ricardo Fuller who made things happen out of nothing in a way that we are seldom privileged to see, the exceptional contribution and goals of Liam Lawrence who had his best ever season and a very solid midfield and defence. Mama's part in the whole thing was to score four goals (two came in one game) in a promotion winning side as a forward. He was there as nothing more than an awkward spoiler reflecting perfectly everything that was bad about the previous managers approach to football. He was there to get in the way, be destructive. There was nothing creative about what Mama was there for and the truth is he was never good enough to be any more at Championship level, never mind Premier League. Glorifying his contribution to the extent some do is rather insulting to the brilliance of Fuller and Lawrence in the promotion season. That pair won us promotion by making the most and more out of the practically nothing Pulis football at Stoke offered and yet we have endless threads glorifying the contribution of a nice lad who Fuller wouldn't even pass to in the box most of the time - and for good reason. Mama was and is an exceptional gentleman - Agreed! The rest of your post is absolute nonsense. Until he was injured the first time, he was playing out of his skin in the Prem and at times looked a very clever player (I was shocked & surprised myself at the time!!!) Mama was Ricardo's preferred strike partner and for good reason. He did all the donkey work for Ric. As for your pathetic pop at our greatest manager ever(along with Waddo) about how not to play football etc - give it a rest.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by riponstokie on Feb 12, 2014 9:21:18 GMT
Mama was great for us. His final contract extension was a bit daft though, Mama was "forgotten but not gone" for his last 2 seasons It wasn't a bit daft at all. It's called loyalty. It's called looking after people and Mama earned that without a shadow of a doubt.
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Post by riponstokie on Feb 9, 2014 19:40:46 GMT
I beg to differ on that particular point. H I beg to differ with your opinion too.
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Post by riponstokie on Feb 9, 2014 16:03:10 GMT
Or fans just don't like to here their side being talked down? I know I don't and felt and still feel it serves absolutely no purpose what so ever. It's refreshing not to hear that we're not playing Brazil '70 every week. It just used to get on my tits and was just part of the whole negativity surrounding him. His cap is shit too. But no one over 11 should wear a cap! Get over it Bayern. Excellent ploy and a simple ploy that worked. I loved it because it was so so obviously ...........a ploy. Broughy us great success.
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Post by riponstokie on Feb 8, 2014 17:23:43 GMT
Gets knocked off the ball so fucking easily,offering jack shit as usual. Why oh why does he get played? You and your sarcasm, what you like........................................................Unbelievable that's what you are! If you know the slightest ,slightest thing about football..................forget it
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Post by riponstokie on Feb 4, 2014 21:19:23 GMT
It's a statue FFS, if they want one just commission one. Isn't it the bloke/s that paid for it thats pushing this slightly. Maybe, however the bloke who paid for it was stitched up by the club (allegedly!) or by someone at the club (allegedly!) who deals with this kind of thing if you know what I mean. He has been let down and let down enormously. I firmly believe the statue should be homed at the Brit and would be delighted to get involved to ensure that it happens.
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Post by riponstokie on Feb 4, 2014 16:43:55 GMT
Downloaded full 90 minutes and just watched it again.Didn't realise how good Arnie played.Not been very impressed before Utd game but more of the same will suffice for me. Where did you download the game from mate?
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Post by riponstokie on Feb 1, 2014 21:22:42 GMT
Absolutely! I was also in a 'dark place' this morning about our prospects against United and for the rest of the season tbh but what a magnificent performance by the boys! 442/4411 from now on without N'Zonzi slowing the tempo and without passing without intent is the way forward. Still think the transfer team need sacking off after yesterdays embarrassing events but for now let's sit back and celebrate! We are Stoke!
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Post by riponstokie on Jan 31, 2014 22:12:58 GMT
The over indulgence of the old manager has seen teams like Swansea, Hull, Cardiff and now even Crystal Palace over take us. We can't attract anyone to club. The club is being very poorly run. No doubt they will be begging for supporters to renew season tickets in the next few weeks. Get a grip of the club Coates, communicate with your fan base and get rid of that idiotic CE. How many times Pugsley. Over indulgence my a**e! you really are naïve to say the least! As I keep telling you - We've spent decent amounts but relatively little compared to most. Last 4/5 windows we've done nowt! TP was tge greatest Stoke manager ever, did his job, over achieved. The rest of the team are the amateurs that will indeed take us down along with a manager who has not got a Scooby!
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Post by riponstokie on Jan 31, 2014 22:06:39 GMT
Doesn't sound like money is the problem. Think on. Not long ago Swansea chairman said the money being asked for ince was silly money. Blackpool accepted our bid. The money was there and clearly we were willing to put up more money than other clubs. Also, Mark Hughes has never experienced problems signing players anywhere else. Looking at what has happened here I have no doubt the board have made a reasonable amount of money available since last summer. There is clearly something badly wrong with how we go about identifying the players and approaching them, and their clubs. Your thread should be 'Carto and his team out'. his head should roll the useless fat cunt I couldn't stand Coates the first time he was chairman but he's made up for it this time and having spent time looking at the evidence I think he has always ensured there is a reasonable transfer budget available. Maybe not as much as pulis had, but plenty enough. Maybe Coates doesn't have faith in Hughes ( I don't) and simply doesn't trust him with his money.
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Post by riponstokie on Jan 31, 2014 22:02:06 GMT
The board, in their infinite wisdom, decided to get rid of Tone in the summer (rightly so IMHO) and brought in a manager to change the style of play. Mark Hughes certainly has done that. I'd rather be watching us lose playing better football than lose playing the dross that Pulis served up for the last season and a half. The thing is, change ain't gonna happen over night is it? Mark Hughes inherited a squad of players who had either forgotten how to pass a ball, or never knew how to pass one in the first place. It would also appear that the board told him he had to change our style of play while playing in the most competitive league in the world, with no cash to spend. That for me is a recipe for disaster. I for one, don't think Hughes is doing a bad job considering he's doing the job with one hand tied behind his back, but if the board don't back him in January to the sum of a goalscorer, Centre back and one or two more, then I can't see anything other than relegation. If they are not going to back him with cash, then relegation is probably the best thing that could happen. We have some promising young players (Muniesa, Butland, Aguedela, Shea) who could develop better with a season in The Championship than they would getting beaten most weeks in the Prem. Look at Southampton. They've developed their players outside the pressure of the Prem and are a good team. So it's up to Coatesy innit. Where do you want to be playing football next season Uncle Peter?? I posted this on a thread in November, still relevant though IMHO. Mate you lost me at it 'was right to get rid of Tp'(snigger) and 'I'd rather watch losing football under Hughes'. Losing Tp was and is proving disastorous and I can't can't stomach losing football. You're welcome to it because that's exactly what we've got.
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Post by riponstokie on Jan 31, 2014 17:14:59 GMT
How many times Rob??? Teams have their ups and downs. Managers have their ups and downs. I have seen enough of Tony Pulis over the years to believe that he is able to navigate his way through these ups and downs. Did I love the way we played? Not always....but I accepted it as a viable method to stay in this league. In the 5 completed seasons we have already seen plenty of other teams come and go while we remained. Yes, we have spent money but so have lots of teams - that is the nature of this brutal league. That is why Bolton are now well over £100M in debt. If Coates is no longer willing to fund to a certain level then so be it. Pulis thought that buying Crouch, Pally, Adam, Nzonzi etc could take us to the next level...sadly, it didn't come off as we had hoped but that didn't mean he had to pay the price with his job. What makes me laugh is the constant, hypocritical crticism that he endured and it is this kind of criticism that people use to justify this supposed untouchable decision to remove him. One example was that it used to be that no decent player would come to the club under Tony Pulis. Then it was that he was frightened to spend money....then it became that he spent too much money. No matter what he did he was critcised for it. A second one was that he was scared of his own shadown. Shit, turgid, negative tactics that held the club back...a coward almost.....where he managed with fear and his teams played with fear. Well, the coward took us from the jaws of league one to the Premiership. Now, at the end of the day you have to pick. I picked Pulis and I would have kept him for fear of it all falling apart. That might make a coward for worrying about what we had to lose than rather what we had to gain but I have seen enough over the years of owners and fans who thought there were better ways to go only for it to come crashing down on them. So having made that choice, I have to watch with a nagging doubt that we have gone the wrong way. Despite the odd decent result I just cannot see where we are going. Hopefully it will be because I haven't got a clue rather than being right. Luckily, I've set the bar really low for Hughes. I'm happy to actually go backwards as long as we stay up. That is how much slack I'm prepared to give him given that course the club has asked us to go on was a pretty daft one in my opinion. What I don't accept though is that a) he was left a load of dross b) he hasn't been backed Our record of last year was as much to do with the one window when Pulis wasn't backed to rectify mistakes that he had made. There is a great irony in some of the things that have happened this season and I'm quite sure the wankstains see it too....even though many don't want to accept and try and keep it off these boards. Palace and Sunderland both parted with managers at what I would call the right time...when there literally seems little else to do. The great irony being that the one man who the wankstains said would never, ever get a Prem job would stroll into a club and help them to clean sheets and wins that we can only dream about at the moment. Pulis, the negative fuck turd actually has as many wins from God knows how fewer games than our bright, forward thinking choice. He even has as many away wins.....despite hardly spending a penny yet. This doesn't make me happy....it makes me pissed off, negative, a moaning cunt and basically sad. It's not a crime to think like this either.....as the fucking least a new manager with 10 new players should be able to do is outperform our last, shit, negative, wank, cunt of a manager? Surely? Pulis was throwing good money after bad. £40million on forwards and Coates eventually cried enough is enough. Too many mistakes made to be given more money. And to say any new manager isn't still paying the price for those mistake is complete fucktardery. Too many mistakes?!!! Maybe there were mistakes but they are paling into complete insignificance in comparison to what's going on now with the amateurs/lunatics running the asylum.How many times do you need to talk crap about money spent. TP spent what you need to spend to survive and survive comfortably generally. Small, small beer Pugsley in the world of the Premier league. We've spent relatively nothing in last 4 or 5 windows and nothing's changed so far this window. Stop spending and you go down - simple!Something that would never happen with TP at the helm!
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Post by riponstokie on Jan 31, 2014 16:04:29 GMT
Just goes to show how shite Pulis was in the transfer market. Spent a fortune with little chance of getting any of it back. Oh shut up! Just goes to show how shit our transfer team are at signing players! Going down!
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Post by riponstokie on Jan 31, 2014 15:49:07 GMT
How many times Rob??? Teams have their ups and downs. Managers have their ups and downs. I have seen enough of Tony Pulis over the years to believe that he is able to navigate his way through these ups and downs. Did I love the way we played? Not always....but I accepted it as a viable method to stay in this league. In the 5 completed seasons we have already seen plenty of other teams come and go while we remained. Yes, we have spent money but so have lots of teams - that is the nature of this brutal league. That is why Bolton are now well over £100M in debt. If Coates is no longer willing to fund to a certain level then so be it. Pulis thought that buying Crouch, Pally, Adam, Nzonzi etc could take us to the next level...sadly, it didn't come off as we had hoped but that didn't mean he had to pay the price with his job. What makes me laugh is the constant, hypocritical crticism that he endured and it is this kind of criticism that people use to justify this supposed untouchable decision to remove him. One example was that it used to be that no decent player would come to the club under Tony Pulis. Then it was that he was frightened to spend money....then it became that he spent too much money. No matter what he did he was critcised for it. A second one was that he was scared of his own shadown. Shit, turgid, negative tactics that held the club back...a coward almost.....where he managed with fear and his teams played with fear. Well, the coward took us from the jaws of league one to the Premiership. Now, at the end of the day you have to pick. I picked Pulis and I would have kept him for fear of it all falling apart. That might make a coward for worrying about what we had to lose than rather what we had to gain but I have seen enough over the years of owners and fans who thought there were better ways to go only for it to come crashing down on them. So having made that choice, I have to watch with a nagging doubt that we have gone the wrong way. Despite the odd decent result I just cannot see where we are going. Hopefully it will be because I haven't got a clue rather than being right. Luckily, I've set the bar really low for Hughes. I'm happy to actually go backwards as long as we stay up. That is how much slack I'm prepared to give him given that course the club has asked us to go on was a pretty daft one in my opinion. What I don't accept though is that a) he was left a load of dross b) he hasn't been backed Our record of last year was as much to do with the one window when Pulis wasn't backed to rectify mistakes that he had made. There is a great irony in some of the things that have happened this season and I'm quite sure the wankstains see it too....even though many don't want to accept and try and keep it off these boards. Palace and Sunderland both parted with managers at what I would call the right time...when there literally seems little else to do. The great irony being that the one man who the wankstains said would never, ever get a Prem job would stroll into a club and help them to clean sheets and wins that we can only dream about at the moment. Pulis, the negative fuck turd actually has as many wins from God knows how fewer games than our bright, forward thinking choice. He even has as many away wins.....despite hardly spending a penny yet. This doesn't make me happy....it makes me pissed off, negative, a moaning cunt and basically sad. It's not a crime to think like this either.....as the fucking least a new manager with 10 new players should be able to do is outperform our last, shit, negative, wank, cunt of a manager? Surely? MCF your post says it all for me. It's quality mate. I completely agree with you 100%. I said be careful what you wish for when the going got tough last season and I said to the great Denis Smith (in November!) that I thought we would end up going down and I firmly believe as things stand right now that is what will happen come May. I think letting go of TP will be up there with the major historical disasters of our great club of selling Sir Stan and the Butler Street stand roof being uninsured and the club having to sell the crown jewels as it were. I fully appreciated what the great man did for us and I believe if he'd been backed as he believed he was going to be (whilst in London for Shea's permit)we'd have finished top 8/10 last season. When Hughes breezed into the club saying his remit was to establish us as a top ten Prem club he made it sound so easy. I thought that was a bit of an insult to TP at the time but let's see if it's as simple as he makes it sound. Suffice to say it's clearly not. I personally do not rate MH and yes I would have kept TP and backed him. The truth is that TP always had ambition for Stoke and so did Peter Coates but all that seems to have vanished. It's now the John Coates, Scholes, Cartwright show and frankly I've forgotten more than they know about football. Scholes couldn't stand TP and believed we could move onwards and upwards without spending money and you can't, not in the Prem, stop spending and you backwards fast. They are quite simply naive amateurs playing a very dangerous game (one they will lose!)with our club. I know that Peter Coates took an awful lot of persuading to let Tony go and he must now be regretting that decision. I know I am and I despair at the lack of direction and lack of identity that we now have at the club. In TP I trusted and now I don't trust any of them.
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