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Post by Lawto on Jan 30, 2014 19:31:49 GMT
The board, in their infinite wisdom, decided to get rid of Tone in the summer (rightly so IMHO) and brought in a manager to change the style of play. Mark Hughes certainly has done that. I'd rather be watching us lose playing better football than lose playing the dross that Pulis served up for the last season and a half.
The thing is, change ain't gonna happen over night is it? Mark Hughes inherited a squad of players who had either forgotten how to pass a ball, or never knew how to pass one in the first place.
It would also appear that the board told him he had to change our style of play while playing in the most competitive league in the world, with no cash to spend. That for me is a recipe for disaster.
I for one, don't think Hughes is doing a bad job considering he's doing the job with one hand tied behind his back, but if the board don't back him in January to the sum of a goalscorer, Centre back and one or two more, then I can't see anything other than relegation.
If they are not going to back him with cash, then relegation is probably the best thing that could happen. We have some promising young players (Muniesa, Butland, Aguedela, Shea) who could develop better with a season in The Championship than they would getting beaten most weeks in the Prem. Look at Southampton. They've developed their players outside the pressure of the Prem and are a good team.
So it's up to Coatesy innit. Where do you want to be playing football next season Uncle Peter??
I posted this on a thread in November, still relevant though IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 19:45:08 GMT
A very fair and decent resume of the situation. It's not looking good at the moment. Every last drop of effort and determination is going to be needed for us to survive. I think we are heading to the last game game of the season with our future lying in the balance. Ten million quid is required in my opinion. We'll be lucky to get a free transfer in at this rate. PC needs to back his man and quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 20:17:58 GMT
I can't help but feel it's too little too late regarding transfers and I think we've got our squad for the rest of the season now.
We've played well in some games but we need to start turning good performances into points pretty quickly.
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Post by Lawto on Jan 31, 2014 21:16:15 GMT
In general, I've been happy with our performances, we've just let ourselves down in front of goal. Whether Guidetti and Odemwingie are going to solve this problem only time will tell
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Post by dwr17477 on Jan 31, 2014 21:24:57 GMT
Pulis actually never let us down and I, for one, prefer to win a bloody match 1 - 0 than lose 2 - 4.
And no way do I want to go to the Championship! We'll never get back!
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Post by prudhoe on Jan 31, 2014 21:45:33 GMT
Pulis actually never let us down and I, for one, prefer to win a bloody match 1 - 0 than lose 2 - 4. And no way do I want to go to the Championship! We'll never get back! yeah but that wasnt really the choice for most of last season was it. Id rather lose 2-4 than 0-1. At least weve seen our team have a go at it. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 31, 2014 21:51:52 GMT
I'm going to put this out there, and call me crazy if you want, but I don't thing we'll go down and I also think we'll get something tomorrow.
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Post by dwr17477 on Jan 31, 2014 21:53:56 GMT
Pulis actually never let us down and I, for one, prefer to win a bloody match 1 - 0 than lose 2 - 4. And no way do I want to go to the Championship! We'll never get back! yeah but that wasnt really the choice for most of last season was it. Id rather lose 2-4 than 0-1. At least weve seen our team have a go at it. But we are losing...I get absolutely no enjoyment out of losing by any score. Fucks me right off. A shit 1 - 0 win and I am happy, thanks very much. Maybe I am too old for this but winning is the name of the game and Pulis knows how to do it( and, yes, he pissed me off many a time, too). |
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Post by snapper23 on Jan 31, 2014 21:56:25 GMT
We talk as if the board of aPL football club are somehow different from any other directors. They are not. They should be lookingvafter the best interests of the stakeholders in the club. All of them. In our case shareholders fans and players. I just dont get how they think they are with no real investment at a most critical time. Good in the past fantastic but have gone missing now
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Post by snapper23 on Jan 31, 2014 21:56:56 GMT
We talk as if the board of aPL football club are somehow different from any other directors. They are not. They should be lookingvafter the best interests of the stakeholders in the club. All of them. In our case shareholders fans and players. I just dont get how they think they are with no real investment at a most critical time. Good in the past fantastic but have gone missing now
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 21:59:33 GMT
I'm going to put this out there, and call me crazy if you want, but I don't thing we'll go down and I also think we'll get something tomorrow. THE only thing we'll get tomorrow is a good hiding... |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 31, 2014 22:00:29 GMT
I'm going to put this out there, and call me crazy if you want, but I don't thing we'll go down and I also think we'll get something tomorrow. THE only thing we'll get tomorrow is a good hiding... Dunna werrit, 3 points in the bag me ode mucker! |
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Post by riponstokie on Jan 31, 2014 22:02:06 GMT
The board, in their infinite wisdom, decided to get rid of Tone in the summer (rightly so IMHO) and brought in a manager to change the style of play. Mark Hughes certainly has done that. I'd rather be watching us lose playing better football than lose playing the dross that Pulis served up for the last season and a half. The thing is, change ain't gonna happen over night is it? Mark Hughes inherited a squad of players who had either forgotten how to pass a ball, or never knew how to pass one in the first place. It would also appear that the board told him he had to change our style of play while playing in the most competitive league in the world, with no cash to spend. That for me is a recipe for disaster. I for one, don't think Hughes is doing a bad job considering he's doing the job with one hand tied behind his back, but if the board don't back him in January to the sum of a goalscorer, Centre back and one or two more, then I can't see anything other than relegation. If they are not going to back him with cash, then relegation is probably the best thing that could happen. We have some promising young players (Muniesa, Butland, Aguedela, Shea) who could develop better with a season in The Championship than they would getting beaten most weeks in the Prem. Look at Southampton. They've developed their players outside the pressure of the Prem and are a good team. So it's up to Coatesy innit. Where do you want to be playing football next season Uncle Peter?? I posted this on a thread in November, still relevant though IMHO. Mate you lost me at it 'was right to get rid of Tp'(snigger) and 'I'd rather watch losing football under Hughes'. Losing Tp was and is proving disastorous and I can't can't stomach losing football. You're welcome to it because that's exactly what we've got. |
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Post by shiftyfifty on Jan 31, 2014 22:04:59 GMT
In general, I've been happy with our performances, we've just let ourselves down in front of goal. Whether Guidetti and Odemwingie are going to solve this problem only time will tell Happy with our performances! I can think of 2 games this season where our performance has been good, Chelsea and possibly the other night against Sunderland. The other games have been equally as crap as anything served up by TP. I really must get some of those rose tinted specs. that you wear, did they come free with your Mark Hughes fanclub membership? |
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Post by werrington on Jan 31, 2014 22:05:54 GMT
The board, in their infinite wisdom, decided to get rid of Tone in the summer (rightly so IMHO) and brought in a manager to change the style of play. Mark Hughes certainly has done that. I'd rather be watching us lose playing better football than lose playing the dross that Pulis served up for the last season and a half. The thing is, change ain't gonna happen over night is it? Mark Hughes inherited a squad of players who had either forgotten how to pass a ball, or never knew how to pass one in the first place. It would also appear that the board told him he had to change our style of play while playing in the most competitive league in the world, with no cash to spend. That for me is a recipe for disaster. I for one, don't think Hughes is doing a bad job considering he's doing the job with one hand tied behind his back, but if the board don't back him in January to the sum of a goalscorer, Centre back and one or two more, then I can't see anything other than relegation. If they are not going to back him with cash, then relegation is probably the best thing that could happen. We have some promising young players (Muniesa, Butland, Aguedela, Shea) who could develop better with a season in The Championship than they would getting beaten most weeks in the Prem. Look at Southampton. They've developed their players outside the pressure of the Prem and are a good team. So it's up to Coatesy innit. Where do you want to be playing football next season Uncle Peter?? I posted this on a thread in November, still relevant though IMHO. Mate you lost me at it 'was right to get rid of Tp'(snigger) and 'I'd rather watch losing football under Hughes'. Losing Tp was and is proving disastorous and I can't can't stomach losing football. You're welcome to it because that's exactly what we've got. We've had it since Christmas 2012 Your memory isn't half selective what with this and the FA cup bollocks you spouted |
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jan 31, 2014 22:06:44 GMT
The board, in their infinite wisdom, decided to get rid of Tone in the summer (rightly so IMHO) and brought in a manager to change the style of play. Mark Hughes certainly has done that. I'd rather be watching us lose playing better football than lose playing the dross that Pulis served up for the last season and a half. The thing is, change ain't gonna happen over night is it? Mark Hughes inherited a squad of players who had either forgotten how to pass a ball, or never knew how to pass one in the first place. It would also appear that the board told him he had to change our style of play while playing in the most competitive league in the world, with no cash to spend. That for me is a recipe for disaster. I for one, don't think Hughes is doing a bad job considering he's doing the job with one hand tied behind his back, but if the board don't back him in January to the sum of a goalscorer, Centre back and one or two more, then I can't see anything other than relegation. If they are not going to back him with cash, then relegation is probably the best thing that could happen. We have some promising young players (Muniesa, Butland, Aguedela, Shea) who could develop better with a season in The Championship than they would getting beaten most weeks in the Prem. Look at Southampton. They've developed their players outside the pressure of the Prem and are a good team. So it's up to Coatesy innit. Where do you want to be playing football next season Uncle Peter?? I posted this on a thread in November, still relevant though IMHO. Mate you lost me at it 'was right to get rid of Tp'(snigger) and 'I'd rather watch losing football under Hughes'. Losing Tp was and is proving disastorous and I can't can't stomach losing football. You're welcome to it because that's exactly what we've got. How is it proving disastrous as a matter of interest? |
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Post by shiftyfifty on Jan 31, 2014 22:08:26 GMT
Mate you lost me at it 'was right to get rid of Tp'(snigger) and 'I'd rather watch losing football under Hughes'. Losing Tp was and is proving disastorous and I can't can't stomach losing football. You're welcome to it because that's exactly what we've got. How is it proving disastrous as a matter of interest? Our points tally, maybe? |
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Post by niel on Jan 31, 2014 22:19:47 GMT
I see some of the Taliban are resurfacing after being in hiding for a while.
The only thing I agree with the OP about is that TP's time was up.
However, Hughes is a fucking disaster and has looked so since day one. We are not playing better football - that's all myth.....we are playing terrible, boring, slow, predictable crap in our own half and rarely trouble the last 30 yards of the pitch.
We are not a work in progress, we are not an improvement, we are soft as shit, we have no heart in the team, we've replaced effort with mercenaries who really don't give a shit.............and all the time the PHW Taliban have been dancing pretending its a dawn of a new era.
Time to repeat a line used many times......we are the old West Brom - we're ineffective, soulless and going one way whilst passing tippy-tappy triangles around our back 4 and rarely actually attacking. Irrespective of talent,tactics,formation this team is in big trouble as it has no fight in it.....and that I blame squarely on the manager.
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Post by werrington on Jan 31, 2014 22:24:48 GMT
I see some of the Taliban are resurfacing after being in hiding for a while. The only thing I agree with the OP about is that TP's time was up. However, Hughes is a fucking disaster and has looked so since day one. We are not playing better football - that's all myth.....we are playing terrible, boring, slow, predictable crap in our own half and rarely trouble the last 30 yards of the pitch. We are not a work in progress, we are not an improvement, we are soft as shit, we have no heart in the team, we've replaced effort with mercenaries who really don't give a shit.............and all the time the PHW Taliban have been dancing pretending its a dawn of a new era. Time to repeat a line used many times......we are the old West Brom - we're ineffective, soulless and going one way whilst passing tippy-tappy triangles around our back 4 and rarely actually attacking. Irrespective of talent,tactics,formation this team is in big trouble as it has no fight in it.....and that I blame squarely on the manager. That £5m he has spent in two windows is cutting no slack at all with the agenda driven ones |
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Post by shiftyfifty on Jan 31, 2014 22:28:06 GMT
I see some of the Taliban are resurfacing after being in hiding for a while. The only thing I agree with the OP about is that TP's time was up. However, Hughes is a fucking disaster and has looked so since day one. We are not playing better football - that's all myth.....we are playing terrible, boring, slow, predictable crap in our own half and rarely trouble the last 30 yards of the pitch. We are not a work in progress, we are not an improvement, we are soft as shit, we have no heart in the team, we've replaced effort with mercenaries who really don't give a shit.............and all the time the PHW Taliban have been dancing pretending its a dawn of a new era. Time to repeat a line used many times......we are the old West Brom - we're ineffective, soulless and going one way whilst passing tippy-tappy triangles around our back 4 and rarely actually attacking. Irrespective of talent,tactics,formation this team is in big trouble as it has no fight in it.....and that I blame squarely on the manager. That £5m he has spent in two windows is cutting no slack at all with the agenda driven ones He took the job on knowing, (like all of us) that the purse strings were going to be tightened. It's no good complaining now about not being backed financially. |
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Post by werrington on Jan 31, 2014 22:29:38 GMT
That £5m he has spent in two windows is cutting no slack at all with the agenda driven ones He took the job on knowing, (like all of us) that the purse strings were going to be tightened. It's no good complaining now about not being backed financially. So why don't you see the bigger picture ? Point the finger elsewhere |
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Post by shiftyfifty on Jan 31, 2014 22:35:50 GMT
He took the job on knowing, (like all of us) that the purse strings were going to be tightened. It's no good complaining now about not being backed financially. So why don't you see the bigger picture ? Point the finger elsewhere What's the bigger picture you keep banging on about? He took the job on and he's not succeeding We knew there was no more big money therefore, he obviously did. |
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Post by werrington on Jan 31, 2014 22:37:59 GMT
So why don't you see the bigger picture ? Point the finger elsewhere What's the bigger picture you keep banging on about? He took the job on and he's not succeeding We knew there was no more big money therefore, he obviously did. <<<< bangs head against wall >>>>> |
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Post by richhaynes on Jan 31, 2014 22:41:21 GMT
In general, I've been happy with our performances, we've just let ourselves down in front of goal. Whether Guidetti and Odemwingie are going to solve this problem only time will tell What 'performances' have you been watching????? I went all but one game last season and all but three so far this season and whilst last season was shit, this season is even worse! I also spent ages looking into the stats over xmas and the only stat where this season is better was possession. But then possession is bullshit as you can have 90% possession all in your own box. If you look at territory stats then this season looks a disaster! This season we've had less shots, less shots on target, less goals, more conceded, more fouls, the list goes on! I genuinely wanted MH to succeed and prove to me he could take us forward and he just hasn't done that. Although the players need to take some of the blame. I'll be at the game tomorrow and my Southampton tickets arrived today so I'll be supporting the team as ever. I just hope they show up and and show some determination, passion and pride. *rant over* |
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Post by shiftyfifty on Jan 31, 2014 22:42:43 GMT
What's the bigger picture you keep banging on about? He took the job on and he's not succeeding We knew there was no more big money therefore, he obviously did. <<<< bangs head against wall >>>>> Don't do it, it'll damage your brain even more. |
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Post by Lawto on Feb 1, 2014 8:47:45 GMT
In general, I've been happy with our performances, we've just let ourselves down in front of goal. Whether Guidetti and Odemwingie are going to solve this problem only time will tell Happy with our performances! I can think of 2 games this season where our performance has been good, Chelsea and possibly the other night against Sunderland. The other games have been equally as crap as anything served up by TP. I really must get some of those rose tinted specs. that you wear, did they come free with your Mark Hughes fanclub membership? Not rose tinted spec's yoth, I just say it as I see it. Towards the end of Tone's reign, the football was complete and utter shit. The team were devoid of creativity, and in my opinion passion!! Our average possession was 30 odd percent (No I don't giz over possession stat's but it is an indicator of how well you're playing) and we were having 2-3 goal attempts per game!!! The up-and-at-'em football had gone, the playing with two wingers had gone, it was dire turgid stuff. I wasn't overly excited at Hughes appointment, but who else would we have got. They're all much of a muchness to me. I do believe if he had been allowed to bring in his type of player, instead of having to try to turn Tone's players into his type of player we'd be doing a lot better than we are now, but that's the decision the board have made. We need 5 wins and a 3 draws from our remaining games, and I think we have that in us. If not we'll be in the Championship again. Not the end of the world for a club / team looking to rebuild. Look at the likes of Newcastle, West Brom, Hull, West Ham, QPR(?) et al who had a season back in the champ to regroup, and came back a better team. I tell you what a relegation would do though. It would give some of our fans the opportunity to climb down from up their own aresholes and realise we do not have a divine right to be in the Prem, and that even with Bet 365 money we are still only on a par with 8-10 teams in the Prem and half a dozen in the Champ. Anyway, I'll be renewing my ST next season whatever division we're in. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 1, 2014 8:57:44 GMT
Happy with our performances! I can think of 2 games this season where our performance has been good, Chelsea and possibly the other night against Sunderland. The other games have been equally as crap as anything served up by TP. I really must get some of those rose tinted specs. that you wear, did they come free with your Mark Hughes fanclub membership? Not rose tinted spec's yoth, I just say it as I see it. Towards the end of Tone's reign, the football was complete and utter shit. The team were devoid of creativity, and in my opinion passion!! Our average possession was 30 odd percent (No I don't giz over possession stat's but it is an indicator of how well you're playing) and we were having 2-3 goal attempts per game!!! The up-and-at-'em football had gone, the playing with two wingers had gone, it was dire turgid stuff. I wasn't overly excited at Hughes appointment, but who else would we have got. They're all much of a muchness to me. I do believe if he had been allowed to bring in his type of player, instead of having to try to turn Tone's players into his type of player we'd be doing a lot better than we are now, but that's the decision the board have made. We need 5 wins and a 3 draws from our remaining games, and I think we have that in us. If not we'll be in the Championship again. Not the end of the world for a club / team looking to rebuild. Look at the likes of Newcastle, West Brom, Hull, West Ham, QPR(?) et al who had a season back in the champ to regroup, and came back a better team. I tell you what a relegation would do though. It would give some of our fans the opportunity to climb down from up their own aresholes and realise we do not have a divine right to be in the Prem, and that even with Bet 365 money we are still only on a par with 8-10 teams in the Prem and half a dozen in the Champ. Anyway, I'll be renewing my ST next season whatever division we're in. My worry would be look at Bolton, Borough, Leeds and Blackburn. If we went down we'd try to get promoted on the cheap. We need to stay up. |
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Post by alansuddick on Feb 1, 2014 9:37:34 GMT
The board, in their infinite wisdom, decided to get rid of Tone in the summer (rightly so IMHO) and brought in a manager to change the style of play. Mark Hughes certainly has done that. I'd rather be watching us lose playing better football than lose playing the dross that Pulis served up for the last season and a half. The thing is, change ain't gonna happen over night is it? Mark Hughes inherited a squad of players who had either forgotten how to pass a ball, or never knew how to pass one in the first place. It would also appear that the board told him he had to change our style of play while playing in the most competitive league in the world, with no cash to spend. That for me is a recipe for disaster. I for one, don't think Hughes is doing a bad job considering he's doing the job with one hand tied behind his back, but if the board don't back him in January to the sum of a goalscorer, Centre back and one or two more, then I can't see anything other than relegation. If they are not going to back him with cash, then relegation is probably the best thing that could happen. We have some promising young players (Muniesa, Butland, Aguedela, Shea) who could develop better with a season in The Championship than they would getting beaten most weeks in the Prem. Look at Southampton. They've developed their players outside the pressure of the Prem and are a good team. So it's up to Coatesy innit. Where do you want to be playing football next season Uncle Peter?? I posted this on a thread in November, still relevant though IMHO. To be honest mate, apart from butland, ive seen nothing of muniesa and shea to call them promising, and nothing at all of aguedelo. |
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Post by Lawto on Feb 1, 2014 10:33:20 GMT
To be honest mate, apart from butland, ive seen nothing of muniesa and shea to call them promising, and nothing at all of aguedelo. Agreed, but they are all young, international players with country's in the top 20 of the FIFA rankings, so they must have something about them. |
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