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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 24, 2015 14:27:22 GMT
All agreed between Stoke and Kono. He is now trying to do a deal with Dnipro owner to allow him to leave the 3rd party agreement. If and when this is done he will fly to England I am pretty sure you said this a fortnight ago. Still, thanks. How does third party ownership work if the player is on a free? Surely if there were additional parties with a vested interest they would have insisted on a transfer last season to protect their investment? Maybe the hold up is not Konoplyanka, maybe Stoke & the 3rd Party(ies?) are agreeing a compensation figure? Jesus wept. I haven't got a fucking clue.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 24, 2015 11:13:21 GMT
Anything but a tour of interested clubs we seem uniquely unsuccessful in actually getting any of those deals over the line . eh?
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 24, 2015 10:49:15 GMT
I am genuinely, absolutely and utterly fed up with this now.
I don't blame the player (who has said nothing), the club (ditto) or anything else. I'm just bloody exhausted by it. Completely.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 24, 2015 8:13:00 GMT
4 pages based on nothing but the opines of a Guardian journalist. I think Moses wants to come to Stoke. he opted to stay here when Mourinho wanted him back and he was here for the Liverpool game. He can see which way the wind is blowing for this football club. As for injuries, yes, he picked some annoying little niggles up, but he had barely played for a year before coming to us. This stuff happens and i have no doubt that should he return next season, he will have got all that stuff out of the way. Personally speaking, i would settle for another season long loan with an option, just to make sure. But i do think he'll be back. I think so too. I reckon he'd be happy to join us providing he gets a decent contract offer. The club has a feel good vibe and generally speaking most players want to stay here once they've experienced it. This is why I still think we stand a good chance of keeping N'Zonzi as well. I have no doubt Zonz wants to play at a higher level mate. I just think he wants to do it in England where all the money is. He was significantly less moody last year so i thinkif we put the right number in front of him, he'll go for it.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 24, 2015 8:06:51 GMT
Good that the Coates family recognise the fact that the majority of fans don't want to see the name Britannia disappear. I'm confident they'll win any copyright battle. The name Britannia was in common use in Britain for centuries before the, now defunct, building society started to use the name. I have high hopes that we'll eventually see either the bet365 (or a new sponsor's name) combined with Britannia - so we could end up with, for example, the bet365 Britannia. EDIT: I wonder if admin could run an Oatcake Poll to confirm whether the majority of fans do (as I suspect) want to retain the Britannia name as part of the stadium name? I think we've had this discussion before They will not retain Britannia in the name unless the Building Society the ground is currently named after continue to put money in. I think we forget that. The ground isn't named after a bygone era when we used to rule the waves. I admit we got very lucky with the name as it is about as far from a sponsorship name as you can get, but that's what it is, nonetheless. Bet365 Arena is fine by me.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 24, 2015 8:03:34 GMT
4 pages based on nothing but the opines of a Guardian journalist.
I think Moses wants to come to Stoke. he opted to stay here when Mourinho wanted him back and he was here for the Liverpool game. He can see which way the wind is blowing for this football club.
As for injuries, yes, he picked some annoying little niggles up, but he had barely played for a year before coming to us. This stuff happens and i have no doubt that should he return next season, he will have got all that stuff out of the way.
Personally speaking, i would settle for another season long loan with an option, just to make sure. But i do think he'll be back.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 18, 2015 11:31:22 GMT
I understood that we were heading in a new direction of signing top players that were automatic names on the starting eleven team sheet. To date,and I know it's early, we've spent 9 million on three players that aren't, based on past performances and unstartling reports, going to walk into the starting eleven. Have we just peed away 9 million to make up the numbers, without making any improvements to our starting eleven? Surely we'd have been better investing in one star name rather than three maybes, or am I being unkind? If you want to take out the 600k for the keeper that's fine and then it's 8.5 million on two squad players. You strike me as the kind of chap that if Susannah Reid* turned up at your house in a latex catsuit demanding bareback anal, you'd moan about "having to wash the sheets afterwards". Enjoy the summer, and stop yer werreting... * I have a Susannah Reid thing at the moment. Yum. In fairness, you could say the same about Konoplyanka, and there's 4000 posts about the fucker now.....
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 17, 2015 14:58:39 GMT
Count to ten before replying! And before anybody pipes up, yes I bloody well can. Ahem, *benjamin biscuit*......
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 17, 2015 14:34:28 GMT
I'm never clicking on another transfer thread ever again*
Frankly, some of the responses on them suggest some people need serious medical attention. There's apparently a Ukrainian chap who might sign for us, who has gone from little known, to adored, to reviled in the small matter of 135 pages, despite him doing absolutely bugger all wrong, or promising to sign for us.
If i were him, i wouldn't go anywhere near us. Upon reading that, he would have to assume everyone connected with Stoke is a fucking pschycopath.
* obviously i will click on one again. This is all bullshit really. But you see my point.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 17, 2015 8:25:48 GMT
What's quite interesting is that outside of Ukrainian League afficianados, most of us had never heard of him.
It's got to be fuck him and move on time now hasn't it?
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 10, 2015 8:36:20 GMT
Net spend will be the test of our investment . Strategy I wouldn't rule out this kind of departure in addition to begovich gives a £15 million war chest and At 20 million a net of 5 would not be a big surprise I see you try and join in a lot, but it doesn't quite happen. Everything you post doesn't quite make sense. I literally have no idea what you're talking about in your above statement. Best of luck anyway.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 9, 2015 10:53:02 GMT
And the picture in front of the boothen with the shirt I must have missed too along with the other 2 international done deal signings I know you're the brightest light on the Christmas tree Benji, but some random dickweed on the Internet proclaiming that a transfer is a done deal doesn't mean it's a done deal. Dave, with respect, that is incorrect. I refuse to believe for a single second there are people who would use the internet to speak with authority on matters that they know absolutely nothing about. It is inconceivable to me.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 8, 2015 7:51:39 GMT
I cannot understand the woman's logic.
Everyone is entitled to do whatever they want to, but from her position she simply will not be maximising the most of the assets clearly available to her.
She's go to move that fucking settee back a bit. The glare on her telly must be awful.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 5, 2015 12:24:29 GMT
These "ITK" folk will never learn, why say it's a done deal when it clearly isn't? is it some sort of dick measuring competition? doesn't bother me because I'm a cynical twat who doesn't believe a word anyone says to me. However, I feel sorry for some of the vulnerable folk who take your word as gospel That's about the size of it. Seriously, who thinks the signing of a player from Ukraine is going to take a couple of days? The sooners these "itker's" bugger off, the better. I think Dave's point is entirely valid here in fairness. I don't dispute any of the information shared by SLP, I think that they tell people what they know, whether or not it is true or an accurate reflection is not really their issue. If, as is entirely likely, a third party has come out of the woodwork claiming to be a part of the deal, it is incumbent upon the club to investigate their claim for legitimacy, and to check the legality of the transfer. These aren't small numbers we're talking about, this is a multi-million pound contract/player at stake. It is absolutely right that the club exercise their legal right to a due dilligence process. It's probably not wise to claim anythign is 100% done however. If it was 100% done, he'd be holding a shirt up at CW.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 5, 2015 8:14:38 GMT
I live 2 miles away from the Wolves ground. I have a knee operation coming up and my physio will be done at Compton, their training ground.
I will wear my colours with pride.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 2, 2015 15:18:58 GMT
1. Yes. I cannot see another suitor, nor can I see the Coates family welcoming one 2. No. Obviously. Why wouldn't they? If they want "self sufficiency" we will need more outside investors and less reliance on bet365, this is an ideal chance for it. I do think they'll keep Britannia in any title though, it's a good name and not one you automatically relate to the building society. You're not wrong in your logic LP, but see it from a wider perspective. We will sign a framework agreement with Bet 365, probably for 10 years, enabling them to put more or less money into the annual sponsorship dependent on factors such as Bet 365's tax implication (it's a great way to move money about) or performance based bonuses (should we need to add an extra few quid to the kitty to circumvent FFP). It's a win-win for both sides, plus it gives Bet 365 even further global exposure. It will be exactly the same sort of deal (albeit on a smaller scale) than Man City have.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 2, 2015 15:07:34 GMT
Our impending stadium sponsorship deal will offset FFP regs on wages but how big or small deal is will depend on what wage ceiling will be I had assumed that a delay in the stadium deal might be to see how the wage bill panned out. Two obvious questions: 1. Are bet 365 going to be the stadium sponsors and if so will they remain the shirt sponsors. 2. Is the stadium name (whether or not bet365 are the sponsors) going to retain the name Britannia - e.g. The bet365 Britannia? 1. Yes. I cannot see another suitor, nor can I see the Coates family welcoming one 2. No. Obviously.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 2, 2015 15:03:29 GMT
I'll ask again. Does the £100K a week take into account his signing on fee over the course of any agreed contract. Ask all you like Mike - as no one on this board knows the truth of the alleged £100k per week demands, you won't be able to believe any answer you are given (at the moment) as to how his wage demands stack up. What I would have thought we could say is, that if we do sign a player whose wages and signing on fee amount to £100k per week over a 4 year contract, we'd probably have to run with a small squad for the next year or so to avoid breaching the Premier League FFP rules on total wage increases - unless, of course, we suddenly find a new source of income to fund the increased wage bill. I don't agree. Let's look at it from a business perspective. If we signed Konoplyanka on a 4 year deal, and paid his market worth (let's estimate at £10 Million) and we brought him in on comparative wages to our top earners (let's say £50,000 per week), the cost of that deal would be £20,800,000 over the lifetime of the contract, should he choose to see out his time with us and bugger off, leaving us with no saleable asset. Unlikely. And you'd all be delighted. If we sign him on a 4-year deal, worth £100,000 a week, the total cost of ownership will be £20,800,000. And some are questioning that decision. Now, should we need to circumvent FFP regulations, we may choose to pay the player a £5 Million lump sum up front, thus making his wages £75,950 per week. Or the cost of a Palacios, a Wilkinson & a Sorensen combined (ish). We have run a small squad for ages, giving us the necessary breathing room to be able to step up and operate in these circumstances. Personally speaking? I see no risk. He comes in does brilliantly well? We'll sell him for a fucking fortune to whoever. If he bombs, there will be some Russian or Ukrainian oligarch ready to snap him up. Our overall annual exposure is likely to be £2,500,000 a year should he fail. We probably pay that to Sidwell.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 2, 2015 10:53:22 GMT
If it is that his agent/pr team are using us, they are doing a terrible job at it. I agree. There is some fairly credible information about suggesting the club has met with him, and the medical team have seen him. We might have to start to accept that given some of the players we have here, the feel of a club on the up, a top top manager with international pedigree coming out of his yahoo and a chairman who has sat tight on the purse strings waiting for the right opportunities to drop (and therefore a team with money to spend), that we are now a bonefide home for some of the worlds better footballers. Not the best, but certainly better. It's a difficult reality to be faced with as Stokies, certainly for those of my vintage. But it's an exciting one.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 2, 2015 10:46:29 GMT
It's silly season all right.
Alan Nixon seems fairly sure, the club have met him, and there's even a chance that he has signed a contract, á la Diouf, but it cannot be announced for another month due to contractual reasons. Fairly "good" sources seemed to think the Medical team flew out to the Ukraine. Don't see why they would do that for no reason.
More than anything else, i hope we sign him to piss off the west ham fan who has changed his name to @welcomekonoplyanka on twitter. Bellend.
Personally speaking, based on little else other than a hunch, i think it's done. Affelay less so.
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Post by Vestan Pance on May 26, 2015 12:07:15 GMT
Remember going Wigan at home under the ball era. We just scraped 8,000 and even my dad, as big a fan as there is, was close to calling it a day.
Can't help but feel i earned Sunday's result for all those years of shite. Thanks.
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Post by Vestan Pance on May 21, 2015 14:12:06 GMT
Just Saying....
If you are desperate for one for the beach. I have a load of gear off this and it's always good....
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Post by Vestan Pance on May 17, 2015 9:38:16 GMT
Obviously as a Spurs fan you can tell me to mind my own business but here is my two penn'orth. Stoke fans have always struck me as being a top crowd. I dont just mean when i have seen them at Spurs or other London grounds but generally. Steve Gerrard has been an incredible player in my book. We all know Liverpool fans are the most cringeworthy maudlin bunch of twats you'll ever meet but it would really reflect well on Stoke to give him a decent farewell. Mind your own business. Psycophant It's sycophant. Even then it makes no sense. stick to taking pictures of your dog. Retard.
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Post by Vestan Pance on May 15, 2015 10:16:00 GMT
Birmingham away in '92 when Paul Barnes scored what could be described as a contentious 94th minute equaliser (he kicked the Blues keeper in the head).
Were it not for our naughty friends, people would have got really hurt that day...
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Post by Vestan Pance on May 15, 2015 9:49:26 GMT
As I begin to write this I can almost hear the howls of derision from certain sections of our supporter base, however I feel pretty strongly about this so I am going to make a suggestion for the Liverpool game. Be interested in your thoughts.
As we know, Steven Gerrard is bringing the curtain down on his career in English football at the Britannia Stadium. Gerrard has been, in my opinion, a fantastic asset not only for his club, for also for his country. Never once eschewing a call up or putting himself or his body first, his England career can be rightly considered in comparison with anyone who has worn the Three Lions. His 114 caps for his country is testament to his enduring capability in the middle of midfield for England, and in my adult lifetime of watching the game only Paul Scholes can be considered his equal.
But in my opinion, Gerrard stands for more than that, and that is why it is my hope that Stoke fans will put aside personal pettiness and recognise his other attributes. As Stoke City supporters, there are few attributes that we value more than loyalty, and in this regard Gerrard stands completely alone. He has, on far more occasions than Liverpool Football Club should have found themselves, been the single glimmer of light, the only catalyst for the moderate success the club has enjoyed (relative to it's standing) over the past 20 years. In 2005, he single handedly dragged them back into a Champions League Final they had no right to be in, based solely on his work ethic and appetite to succeed. Gerrard had ample opportunity to move during the 2000's, move to bigger clubs, better clubs, clubs that could (shudder…) "match his ambition". He didn't. He stayed loyal and faithful to the city he was raised in. And this, more than anything else, makes him worthy of particular praise.
So, to my suggestion. I'm not asking us to sing "you'll never walk alone", or "there's only one Steven Gerrard". What I feel is the right thing to do is a minute's applause in the 8th minute to acknowledge and pay respect to the loyalty and career of an exceptional sportsman. Everywhere he's been this year, they've sung that fucking song about him falling over. Everywhere. I have been brought up on the belief that Stoke fans are different from the rest, cut from a different cloth. We are supporters who recognise and reward achievement, but more importantly character. Gerrard has shown it in spades and, in the eyes of the world, we have a unique opportunity to respect that, and show to a watching world what separates Stoke City from the rest of the flock.
Thanks for reading.
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Post by Vestan Pance on May 11, 2015 12:51:09 GMT
I don't give two thirds of a shit about Garth Crooks to be honest, but there does seem to be a discrepancy here. Garth has aligned himself closely to Spurs. It's in his best interests, they are a big club based in the right part of the world and by hook, crook or whatever he has carved himself out a comfy little niché in the media based on what at face value is a rudimentary inderstanding of the modern game and the occassional penchant for a bit of "controversy". Danny Higginbotham barely got a fucking sniff at United but you cannot shut him up about them now. Why? Because it's in his best interests to do so. Most people outside Stoke don't give a shit about us, a fact buoyed by our frankly dreadful lack of exposure across the popular press and media outlets. You do what you need to in order to keep the pennies rolling in. Particularly when you have the basic materials Crooks, Higginbotham & Savage have, given their peers (Gary Neville & Jamie Carragher) are currently tearing up the pundit rulebook. In the words of Disney's frozen, stop fucking moaning. I've not heard any of Danny Higginbotham's recent offerings, but going back some months he was on Five-Live a few times and definitely came across as an ex-Stokie, bigging-up Shawcross and slagging Arsenal players off for how they acted against us. Maybe his conversion to ex-Man U is just to help his book sales, but I definitely got the impression his heart was with the Potters. You're almost certainly right, but nobody blames him for that. He's entered a different phase in his life now and will have to do what's right. Personally, i think Crooks comes in for criticism simply because he's a bit of an arse wipe. Given the sheer volume of arsewipes currently plying their trade as a pundit, his constant persecution seems harsh.
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Post by Vestan Pance on May 11, 2015 12:28:21 GMT
I don't give two thirds of a shit about Garth Crooks to be honest, but there does seem to be a discrepancy here.
Garth has aligned himself closely to Spurs. It's in his best interests, they are a big club based in the right part of the world and by hook, crook or whatever he has carved himself out a comfy little niché in the media based on what at face value is a rudimentary inderstanding of the modern game and the occassional penchant for a bit of "controversy".
Danny Higginbotham barely got a fucking sniff at United but you cannot shut him up about them now. Why? Because it's in his best interests to do so. Most people outside Stoke don't give a shit about us, a fact buoyed by our frankly dreadful lack of exposure across the popular press and media outlets.
You do what you need to in order to keep the pennies rolling in. Particularly when you have the basic materials Crooks, Higginbotham & Savage have, given their peers (Gary Neville & Jamie Carragher) are currently tearing up the pundit rulebook.
In the words of Disney's frozen, stop fucking moaning.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Apr 22, 2015 14:30:42 GMT
Nzonzi. Never mind shoulda woulda coulda. Stand out player this year. IMHO, of course
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Post by Vestan Pance on Apr 22, 2015 14:28:37 GMT
I reckon the police have told them to put them up to stop stokies going after all the trouble in Blackburn,thats what ive heard anyway Your statement is oxymoronic. You have either come to this conclusion under your own steam (reckon) or you have been passed information by a third party (heard). In case you're struggling with oxymoronic, just pick out the bits you think best apply to you.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Apr 22, 2015 11:23:16 GMT
Ilford Dave. It's the only logical explanation.
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