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Post by harryhotspur on May 15, 2015 9:52:11 GMT
The game labelled Hell Classico between Boca & River Plate in their equivalent of the Champions League had to abandoned to due to players being attacked by the crowd. It got me thinking to my 40 odd years of going to games, mostly at Spurs and sometimes West Ham. The worst violence I ever witnessed was the 1975 relegation decider between Spurs and Chelsea at White Hart Lane. Officially, only 51,000 inside the lane but estimated closer to 60,000. Chelsea got battered all the way to the Lane and on the pitch twice when the game had to be stopped and afterwards. Horrible, horrible, lovely scenes of battered Chelsea rent boys everywhere. Spurs won 2-0 to send them down which was nice also. Anyway, I would be very interested to hear the worst crowd disturbances you have witnessed at Stoke or travelling away with Stoke? It is not simply for titillation, also possibly to be included in a forthcoming book.
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Post by Robo10 on May 15, 2015 10:12:08 GMT
England v Greece 2001
Not Greece fans, but England fans beating the shit out of each other all over Manchester (including a big mob from Stoke who set the Sawyers Arms on fire having been locked in by the Police)
We were offered on by Stokies - had to show my crest tattoo (I had hoped my accent gave it away...)!
Police were obviously aware of the trouble coming, there were armed Police at Piccadiliy (at 8.30am when we arrived!) and we were questioned and spoken to like shit - we found a quiet bar where we stayed until about 1.30pm and met friends
Were big gangs of maurading crews from the Yorkshire and Lancashire clubs (large and small, some working together others kicking the crap out of each other), Midlands lot from Brum/Forest/Leicester as well as the usual Millwall/WHU lot - was honestly scary walking from Manc City Centre to the ground along Mancunian Way (trams were packed)
We had a group of about 15 of us, 5 Stokies and some mates from Manchester who all supported different clubs - we had planned a good drink and stuff around town after the game, but made a sensible decision to get gone back to Stoke and had drinks there instead!
Apart from that, obv Birmingham away (1991?) wasnt great but at least it was contained in the ground mainly (I was a weedy 17 year old and cacking myself!), and got twatted at Burnley away 2 years later walking from the town to the ground as hoardes of Burnley just seemed to come from nowhere and battered anything that moved.
As a teen we used to follow the 'boys' around Stoke after a game, I wouldnt have liked to have been an away fan trying to get out of Stoke after a game (esp a defeat) - it seemed to go off most weeks back then (late 80s/early 90s) in the lower leagues. The sight of the Police marching a few thousand fans past St Peters and up to the train station like they were herding cattle is something you cant explain to people now! (and the goading from across the street by the Glebe etc - and the odd breakaway hoolie who would run across the busy road to throw a punch - nutters!) :-)
On the flip, Beckhams free kick last second improved the mood somewhat!
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Post by Vestan Pance on May 15, 2015 10:16:00 GMT
Birmingham away in '92 when Paul Barnes scored what could be described as a contentious 94th minute equaliser (he kicked the Blues keeper in the head).
Were it not for our naughty friends, people would have got really hurt that day...
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Post by Robo10 on May 15, 2015 10:20:29 GMT
It was Biggins who nailed the keeper (50:50 challenge!) - Barnes tapped in the rebound!
The trouble started when they thought they had gone straight back upfield and scored - Foxy made a save a good foot from the line though!
One bloke ran on, then ten, then hundreds as they attacked the away end! As you say, the N40 were our guardians that day repelling the waves of blues on the fence - it was like the battle of Helms Deep on LOTR!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 10:21:48 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on May 15, 2015 10:37:12 GMT
It was Biggins who nailed the keeper (50:50 challenge!) - Barnes tapped in the rebound! The trouble started when they thought they had gone straight back upfield and scored - Foxy made a save a good foot from the line though! One bloke ran on, then ten, then hundreds as they attacked the away end! As you say, the N40 were our guardians that day repelling the waves of blues on the fence - it was like the battle of Helms Deep on LOTR! Pedantic I know but I think it was Ronnie Sinclair not Foxy?? |
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Post by choppyc on May 15, 2015 10:37:30 GMT
It got a bit tasty at the Emirates this year ,when the word went around the locals that the Virgin Olive oil dressing on the rocket & crayfish salad was actually from the 'second' pressing !!!
Being a London based Stoke fan ,the old days of crowd trouble were the bain of my football life , midweek away games in London being 'escorted' back to the Stoke coaches ,before ,then slipping away back to the tube running the gauntlet of wandering wanna-be 'junior' thugs.
Even the occasional confrontations with fellow Stokies in or around the station on my way back to the smoke ,assuming 'Ray Winstone' here , MUST be an away fan !!
The away games where we were held in the ground long enough for the home fans to get to the station mob handed , it all seems ridiculous these days to think that violence was seen as part of a day at the football., whether you wanted to get involved or not.
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Post by LGH87 on May 15, 2015 10:40:17 GMT
It got a bit tasty at the Emirates this year ,when the word went around the locals that the Virgin Olive oil dressing on the rocket & crayfish salad was actually from 'second' pressing !!! Being a London based Stoke fan ,the old days of crowd trouble were the bain of my football life , midweek away games in London being 'escorted' back to the Stoke coaches ,before ,then slipping away back to the tube running the gauntlet of wandering wanna be 'junior' thugs. The away games where we were held in the ground long enough for the home fans to get to the station mob handed , it all seems ridiculous these days to think that violence was seen as part of a day at the football., whether you wanted to get involved or not. Holding away fans in has never made any sense. Like you say it gives the home fans chance mob up and lie somewhere in waiting! To avoid trouble I've always thought it should be the other way around and you let the away fans go first. |
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Post by Maccca100 on May 15, 2015 10:47:14 GMT
Grimsby
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Post by LGH87 on May 15, 2015 10:48:59 GMT
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Post by vahl on May 15, 2015 10:56:33 GMT
Birmingham pitch invasion was a scary affair as I was still only young but I remember seeing some proper handy Stokies in action - including my old man!
I'm not condoning any violence in that way and I never will but we had some right hard bastards in our support back then.
I've also witnessed Cardiff and Stoke on a couple of occasions - bricks being hurled through windows, random street attacks etc.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 15, 2015 10:58:36 GMT
That fateful day at Stenhousemuir I saw an old lady mount the curb on her mobility scooter, and proceed to pull out a hunting knife and stab 3 innocent Stokies in broad daylight. #NeverForgetStenny. |
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Post by kevkj on May 15, 2015 10:59:43 GMT
Now let me think
Wolves away 70s,80,90s.
Brum away 70s,80s,90s
Derby away 70s,80,90s
Millwall away 90s
QPR away 70,80s 90s,
Cardiff away 70s
West Ham away late 70s (Ouch)
Grimsby away 90s
Oldham away ,80s,90s
Bolton away 70s80s 90s
Liverpool away 80s,90s
Villa away 80s
Arsenal away 80s (Ouch again)
Man City 80s,90s
Wigan 2000
Bristol City 90s
Thats without getting started with home matches
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Post by shrewspotter on May 15, 2015 11:03:17 GMT
Birmingham away in '92 when Paul Barnes scored what could be described as a contentious 94th minute equaliser (he kicked the Blues keeper in the head). Were it not for our naughty friends, people would have got really hurt that day... remember it well, I was only a 16 year old in the main Blues stand (sat in front of Noel Blakes brother no less), when we equalised I had a mental like I was on the Boothen. Basically I had to run for my life
Swansea away in 1996 was pretty bad, I was on my own, (my mates left me after being afraid) and I was wearing colours, still that didn't stop the Welsh from throwing wild punches and spitting on me......nice
Burnley away same season was rough too, remember some of their fans dragging some lads out of their cars and kicking shit of them
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on May 15, 2015 11:05:24 GMT
That fateful day at Stenhousemuir The fuckers, I'll never forgive them for that day. They can rot. |
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Post by lordb on May 15, 2015 12:57:50 GMT
It was Biggins who nailed the keeper (50:50 challenge!) - Barnes tapped in the rebound! The trouble started when they thought they had gone straight back upfield and scored - Foxy made a save a good foot from the line though! One bloke ran on, then ten, then hundreds as they attacked the away end! As you say, the N40 were our guardians that day repelling the waves of blues on the fence - it was like the battle of Helms Deep on LOTR! Pedantic I know but I think it was Ronnie Sinclair not Foxy?? Being pedantic in extremis: It was Cranson who cleared the ball,at least two feet away from the line. |
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Post by nottinghamstokie on May 15, 2015 13:20:24 GMT
For me, Stoke vs Cardiff, April 2000 (?) hideous atmosphere. We won ( 2-1 ? 3-1) and Gunnlaugson scored early to settle the nerves a bit but the atmosphere quickly got toxic, police horses on the pitch ( the only light relief was when they got a late corner and Andy Legg had to ask the police rider to move his horse off the corner flag quadrant )
Seats were ripped out and thrown onto the pitch, and I recall hearing afterwards that the police had seized over a thousand saw blades and a number of electric saws off Cardiff coaches as they parked up, God knows what the intentions with them was
It was horrible, I recall my - then much younger, obviously - son laughing and pointing at the seats being thrown and me giving him a right ear-full for thinking it funny
At least the result helped relegate Cardiff a few weeks later
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Post by bathstoke on May 15, 2015 13:29:28 GMT
That fateful day at Stenhousemuir I had to be resuscitated, twice!!! |
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Post by lancyclaret on May 15, 2015 13:37:45 GMT
Burnley 1 v Celtic 0 (Anglo-Scottish Cup tie, September 1978)...Celtic brought 10,000 fans in a 25,000 Tuesday night Turf Moor crowd and the Celtic fans were not happy when mid-table Division Two Burnley took the lead after 55 minutes through Steve Kindon.....many Celtic fans, who had been drinking all day in Burnley town centre, did not take kindly to home chants of "Rangers, Rangers" or "Ar-gent-ina" and some ripped down 6ft iron railings separating the fans on the Longside and used them as spears - 60 people, including several police, were injured and a number of police Alsatians came off second best.....there were unconfirmed reports that Celtic fans after the match dismantled one of the two railway stations in Burnley and took souvenirs including track back to Glasgow.
Burnley won the 2nd leg at Parkhead in front of a 27,000 crowd 2-1 for a 3-1 aggregate win - unsurprisingly, not many Burnley fans went to Parkhead.
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on May 15, 2015 13:52:17 GMT
Burnley 1 v Celtic 0 (Anglo-Scottish Cup tie, September 1978)...Celtic brought 10,000 fans in a 25,000 Tuesday night Turf Moor crowd and the Celtic fans were not happy when mid-table Division Two Burnley took the lead after 55 minutes through Steve Kindon.....many Celtic fans, who had been drinking all day in Burnley town centre, did not take kindly to home chants of "Rangers, Rangers" or "Ar-gent-ina" and some ripped down 6ft iron railings separating the fans on the Longside and used them as spears - 60 people, including several police, were injured and a number of police Alsatians came off second best.....there were unconfirmed reports that Celtic fans after the match dismantled one of the two railway stations in Burnley and took souvenirs including track back to Glasgow. Burnley won the 2nd leg at Parkhead in front of a 27,000 crowd 2-1 for a 3-1 aggregate win - unsurprisingly, not many Burnley fans went to Parkhead. Steve Kindon! Now there's a blast from the past, left Burnley for Wolves, if I remember right, a classic, head-down, very quick, get it to the by line and cross it, type winger. (Apologies for going off topic there for a minute) |
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Post by creweoatcake1 on May 15, 2015 14:26:23 GMT
Can't remember the year but certainly early/mid 70's ... Spurs at home! As someone mentioned earlier about away fans being escorted back to the station! There was no escort on this occasion as it kicked off right outside the police station, Both mobs giving as good as they got. I can still see the coppers looking through the glass! Spurs fans all seemed to be wearing sheepskin coats! If my memory serves me right, i think that some of them came into the Boothen that day! Spurs away was a scary place in those days, running the gauntlet through those garages back to White Hart Lane station. How things have changed!!!
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on May 15, 2015 14:33:39 GMT
I once saw a small grey haired man spill a small amount of his bovril on the floor beneath his seat. Needless to say, for such a small and gentle looking man, the curse words leaving his lips were nothing short of surprising.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 15:09:23 GMT
Went to Barnsley v Leeds (FA Cup 5th round in the late eighties) when my old man was linesman.
Leeds lost 2-1 with Barnsley scoring 2 late on as I recall.
Leeds fans broke down the railings, run on the pitch throwing anything and everything at random supporters (including the disabled fans) before having a tear-up on the pitch.
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Post by nottinghamstokie on May 15, 2015 15:19:27 GMT
Burnley 1 v Celtic 0 (Anglo-Scottish Cup tie, September 1978)...Celtic brought 10,000 fans in a 25,000 Tuesday night Turf Moor crowd and the Celtic fans were not happy when mid-table Division Two Burnley took the lead after 55 minutes through Steve Kindon.....many Celtic fans, who had been drinking all day in Burnley town centre, did not take kindly to home chants of "Rangers, Rangers" or "Ar-gent-ina" and some ripped down 6ft iron railings separating the fans on the Longside and used them as spears - 60 people, including several police, were injured and a number of police Alsatians came off second best.....there were unconfirmed reports that Celtic fans after the match dismantled one of the two railway stations in Burnley and took souvenirs including track back to Glasgow. Burnley won the 2nd leg at Parkhead in front of a 27,000 crowd 2-1 for a 3-1 aggregate win - unsurprisingly, not many Burnley fans went to Parkhead. Steve Kindon! Now there's a blast from the past, left Burnley for Wolves, if I remember right, a classic, head-down, very quick, get it to the by line and cross it, type winger. (Apologies for going off topic there for a minute) My memory of Kindon was more of an old-fashioned, physical, No 9 ?? |
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Post by thepirehillpoet on May 15, 2015 15:31:20 GMT
Can't remember the year but certainly early/mid 70's ... Spurs at home! As someone mentioned earlier about away fans being escorted back to the station! There was no escort on this occasion as it kicked off right outside the police station, Both mobs giving as good as they got. I can still see the coppers looking through the glass! Spurs fans all seemed to be wearing sheepskin coats! If my memory serves me right, i think that some of them came into the Boothen that day! Spurs away was a scary place in those days, running the gauntlet through those garages back to White Hart Lane station. How things have changed!!! Yeh big laugh that was, some bonehead knocked and old guy flying and he cracked his head on the corner of the kirb. Me and a couple of mates were trying to help him whilst holy hell was breaking loose. These were not good times and it is beyond me how it is now seen as something to be glorified as if it's part of our clubs heritage |
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on May 15, 2015 15:46:16 GMT
Steve Kindon! Now there's a blast from the past, left Burnley for Wolves, if I remember right, a classic, head-down, very quick, get it to the by line and cross it, type winger. (Apologies for going off topic there for a minute) My memory of Kindon was more of an old-fashioned, physical, No 9 ?? You had me worried there thinking I was talking complete bollocks, however, according to Wiki:- "Stephen Michael "Steve" Kindon (born 17 December 1950 in Warrington) is a former professional footballer who played mainly on the left wing where his speed was an asset, but also played at centre forward. Steve began his career at Burnley where he played over 100 games and scored 28 goals." it looks like we're both right. (phew! wipes brow with relief.)  |
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Post by Moosehead on May 15, 2015 15:53:21 GMT
News report of the Brum game...I remember that one, it was pretty hairy getting back to the car afterwards.
Also, how shit were the toilets there....it was just a wall, no roof!!
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on May 15, 2015 15:53:35 GMT
Went too the Emirates this season, when Stoke were losin 2-0 takin a bit of stick from there goons. But when we gave it back, we were told to calm down, by 1 steward on there side. A lady in her 60's supporting Stoke stood up started giving him some right shit.
In comes this other steward, a right battle axe of a woman, the 2 women are going for it hell for leather. Then this Stoke fan just shouts 'Ah fcuk off Dot Cotton'. Soon moved.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on May 15, 2015 15:59:43 GMT
In my younger days back in 78....Stoke v Tottenham, both had been relegated to the old Div 2 (now the Championship)!!!
Both sets of fans invaded the pitch and began to battle, the game commenced after the pitch had been cleared, but large groups of supporters carried the battle on outside the Victoria Ground after the match, I remember my dad steering me through all these fans kicking shit out of one another, I was only a kiddie and it shit the fuck out of me!!!
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Post by OldStokie on May 15, 2015 16:14:49 GMT
Birmingham away in '92 when Paul Barnes scored what could be described as a contentious 94th minute equaliser (he kicked the Blues keeper in the head). Were it not for our naughty friends, people would have got really hurt that day... For me personally, this, and I agree with VP's comments about our naughty supporters. They stopped it becoming a much worse situation. OS. |
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