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Post by kidcrewbob on May 12, 2022 7:19:07 GMT
D- must do better.......... preferably with another club
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 9, 2022 20:50:47 GMT
We really didn't want Sunderland next season, with their resources they are capable of going straight through the Championship. Don’t worry - they’ll bottle it at Wembley ........
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 9, 2022 20:13:26 GMT
Typical playoff semi - full-on shithousery and pretty turgid stuff ......and that looked like an intentional nutting to me......
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 8, 2022 20:33:30 GMT
he will get the start of next I should imagine, the fans will turn pretty quickly if we start losing Like many did this season when he delivered a diabolical run of results that would have seen him sacked at any other club..........
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 8, 2022 11:17:23 GMT
Come July the self flagellation will have stopped and hope will spring eternal. We need better luck with injuries to key players, to stop wasting the loan signings and some tactical adjustments I don't pretend to understand . Do that and we'll be in the mix. He’s not capable of the adjustments or the coaching needed to do it. The build up play is slow and ponderous, our football is played almost entirely in front of defences, our set pieces are woeful, the throw ins go to the opposition 80% of the time and we almost inevitably defend like the keystone cops. Every team has injuries. There were many on here last season complaining that clucas being injured had been a major reason for our downfall. Let that sink in a while. Clucas….. There is absolutely no reason to believe he will do anything different next season. The football he produces is slow, boring and entirely predictable. Even when we win it’s unconvincing at best bar the odd performance. Time is up. spot on - he hasn't got the persona either - the modern game needs someone aticulate who can inspire and excite players and fans alike.....
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 7, 2022 21:35:01 GMT
So basically after years of us paying him ridiculous money by Championship standards, when he reaches the point where a pay cut is inevitable he heads elsewhere rather than take lower terms here. Or am I being too harsh? It’s harsh if you think he’s doing something wrong or immoral........
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 7, 2022 21:16:03 GMT
No - just no.......we need a continental / continentally-minded coach who understands the modern game - no more shit domestic managers or dinasours
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 7, 2022 21:10:15 GMT
That O’Neill wasn’t sacked when we still had enough games left to be in with some sort of shout of the playoffs......
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 7, 2022 21:00:21 GMT
As a club, we are stuck in the dark ages still targeting domestic dinasours and inexperienced young managers who do not thrive under this beer & sandwiches 70s style board - we had a glimpse of what it could be like for 3 seasons under Hughes who at least had European / big-club experience but then reverted to type - I want to see some excitement back and to do that they need to take some risks, being overly cautious is getting us knowhere and MoN ain't got the CV nor the personality to instill any degree of consistency, confidence and tactical nous into games. He's had his chance and now it's time to go...... Yes, I think we should gamble the future of the club as Derby did. After all you can't beat a bit of excitement. I'm sure the Derby fans are thrilled with all their excitement.We have only narrowly avoided a points deduction for infringing FFP in case you didn't notice. How is getting rid of MoN gambling anything .....?
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 7, 2022 16:58:31 GMT
A clusterfuck of a season to add to the previous 4 and still the board wonder what the fuss is all about - pay-up O'Neills contract and get looking if you've not alrady done so - DO FUCKING SOMETHING
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 7, 2022 16:50:14 GMT
Radio Stoke is a patronising anachronism and frankly embarrassing.........any station where you can guarantee hearing "Band of Gold" within 10 minutes of tuning in has to be closed down
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 7, 2022 16:47:38 GMT
As a club, we are stuck in the dark ages still targeting domestic dinasours and inexperienced young managers who do not thrive under this beer & sandwiches 70s style board - we had a glimpse of what it could be like for 3 seasons under Hughes who at least had European / big-club experience but then reverted to type - I want to see some excitement back and to do that they need to take some risks, being overly cautious is getting us knowhere and MoN ain't got the CV nor the personality to instill any degree of consistency, confidence and tactical nous into games. He's had his chance and now it's time to go......
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 7, 2022 16:38:46 GMT
Has he gone yet?
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 6, 2022 20:23:33 GMT
Fradley Homes sponsored shirts - truly ghastly
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 2, 2022 18:32:07 GMT
Those two lists are very slim pickings aren't they? We really need to stick with MON don't we? Nah
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 2, 2022 18:28:20 GMT
43 goals for Mitrovic. Wtf even is that. It’s called £100k per week and playing for a team in london It's also called a decent manager getting the very best from an engaged and responsive squad of players......
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 2, 2022 18:24:17 GMT
I was gutted when John Coates fucked up the QSF deal - we would still be in the Prem ........... You sure that was JC Him and Scholes - I understand that the deal was done until they tried to impose some wholly unacceptable "but if we don't stay up" clause that would slash his wages - and it all went up in smoke - a false economy given how much we must have paid out to Lambert, Rowett, Jones and now this clown.........
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 2, 2022 16:59:31 GMT
How is it a lie??? - after a decent start and getting into the playoff positions before Christmas I think most were reasonably expecting to be there or thereabouts come May - so it’s not a fucking lie.......and of course abysmal run following that had many fearing a drop right through the trapdoor with good reason.......an appalling season where O’Neill must shoulder most of the blame....... I posted months ago Quoting exactly what all the main posters on this site predicted preseason for this season. Even bayern didn't predict that we would be contesting the play offs. So it is a lie and that is a fact. Of course everyone's expectations changed when we started the season well. Only in your apologist mind........
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 2, 2022 16:36:57 GMT
Cliff Lazarenko and Phil Taylor.....
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 2, 2022 16:30:39 GMT
So you’ve been happy with the football he’s turned out then , I think ppl are happily crunching numbers and getting a boner , instead of realising it’s a results business which he has failed big time in the last two seasons No I'm not happy with a lot of the football he has turned out and I doubt that he is. But it's a lie to say that most people expected us to be challenging for the play offs this year. Most people were hoping that we could avoid a points deduction and survive until June and hopefully have a few bob to spend. I think we need a few better players if we want to play better football, no matter who the manager is. I honestly think that he makes our players look better than they are. How is it a lie??? - after a decent start and getting into the playoff positions before Christmas I think most were reasonably expecting to be there or thereabouts come May - so it’s not a fucking lie.......and of course abysmal run following that had many fearing a drop right through the trapdoor with good reason.......an appalling season where O’Neill must shoulder most of the blame.......
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 2, 2022 16:20:51 GMT
Fulham need two points to win the league, Luton need two points to go into the playoffs. I can't help feeling very bitter watching this. How are Fulham so good after relegation when we were so bad? Then you've got the way in which we conspired to make the best manager in the league one of the worst in our history. A Luton win would be nice. Spot on, it fucks me off in spades too - a Luton win would be preferable but unlikely......
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 2, 2022 16:12:02 GMT
No gauntlet - just the thoroughly depressing prospect of - as you put it - "on he goes". The club is FUBAR as far as I am concerned and after 30 years or so of having a ST, there's absolutely zero chance of me buying another until there's something to believe in - will still pick & choose matches of course but I can see nothing but mediocrity under this characterless, boring, baffling chancer. Great article in the mail today re a bunch of exciting new managers in europe - why can't we just give a continental coach a chance for once after all these domestic failures since Hughes......oh I remember, the xenephobic fringe in the boardroom..... I'm "continental" and while I've always kind of looked down upon primitive English managers, there's only so many exceptional continental coaches. I'm not sure it would be a good idea to bring one to Stoke now. He - whoever he is - may not go Rowetting upon arrival, but he would probably want to bring in continental players nonstop. It can't be done overnight. I suppose Hughes was best at bringing quality from overseas into an already good team, but even he did it bit by bit. So what I am saying is bringing in someone of that ilk could very well mean it would take that coach a couple of years to get rid of all MO'N's signings and a couple more to bring in enough players for him to "have his own team." That would make the play off target zoom off into 2026-2027 season, by which time many will have lost faith in him - and then it would start all over again. It's a shame it didn't work out with QSF. While not everything he's done since turning us down has been good, his name does occasionally flash in the news section. If he'd taken over directly after Hughes, there would have been a more natural transition with a manager who'd already tasted the English League. Now I would think we are unattractive to continental coaches. I was gutted when John Coates fucked up the QSF deal - we would still be in the Prem ...........
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 2, 2022 16:08:05 GMT
Biggest bottle job since Molotov had a cunning plan - completely shat the bed ......
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 2, 2022 15:21:30 GMT
The Titanic Stadium with Capt "whats all the fuss about" Coates at the helm.........
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 2, 2022 15:05:58 GMT
This does not feel like "one step at a time" it's a step forward, several back and aimlessly wobbling all over the place in between - this end-of-season on-the-beach flurry (punctuated by the same old shite I may add) gives little encouragement Im afraid that he's turned some sort of corner - I agree he can do better, as it's hard to do much worse than for the middle 20-odd game rump of the season where we dropped like a stone with some frankly unforgivable defeats & draws that should have been wins......he really should have gone already - and would have done anywhere else but this sleepiest of sleeping "giants". The days of managers getting 4,5 or 6 seasons to get it right are over..... If instead of taking four slow - very slow - steps forward, we had taken, as you imply, 6-8 steps backwards from the 16th of the Rowett-Jones season we would have been relegated. Last time I looked we weren't. So he could have done far, far worse. He could have gotten us relegated three times... I guess you've just thrown down the gauntlet to the board. Instead of keeping O'Neill on for another season, you're giving them the chance to be the one board (and a few others in the PL) that keep their manager for six seasons. On he goes... No gauntlet - just the thoroughly depressing prospect of - as you put it - "on he goes". The club is FUBAR as far as I am concerned and after 30 years or so of having a ST, there's absolutely zero chance of me buying another until there's something to believe in - will still pick & choose matches of course but I can see nothing but mediocrity under this characterless, boring, baffling chancer. Great article in the mail today re a bunch of exciting new managers in europe - why can't we just give a continental coach a chance for once after all these domestic failures since Hughes......oh I remember, the xenephobic fringe in the boardroom.....
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 2, 2022 12:00:25 GMT
The bigger picture is that 4 seasons on we're no better off & arguably worse having had to ensure an abysmal run not that much different from Nathan Jones - he's failed (for me) but maybe he can emulate Jones' performance this season if he's still at the helm, which I accept is highly likely ....... He can't emulate Jones, because he doesn't manage a Luton-type of club, but he can do better, and don't you think he wants to. By the look of things on day 45, we're 13th, so he's taking it one step at a time, so he in fact is proving you wrong. We have moved forward from 16 to 13... And in answer to your next question: no, I won't be happy if we finish 12th next season This does not feel like "one step at a time" it's a step forward, several back and aimlessly wobbling all over the place in between - this end-of-season on-the-beach flurry (punctuated by the same old shite I may add) gives little encouragement Im afraid that he's turned some sort of corner - I agree he can do better, as it's hard to do much worse than for the middle 20-odd game rump of the season where we dropped like a stone with some frankly unforgivable defeats & draws that should have been wins......he really should have gone already - and would have done anywhere else but this sleepiest of sleeping "giants". The days of managers getting 4,5 or 6 seasons to get it right are over.....
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 2, 2022 8:27:39 GMT
I agree - not many would have expected to go up - hoped maybe however I am certain that most, including the Coates’ - would have expected to be in with a shout via the playoffs having been 5th before Christmas. It hasn’t been good enough and as you say, O’Neill was strongly backed by the owners but failed miserably with one of the worst runs of underperformance and poor points return despite the backing. He’s not cut out for the 2 or 3 games a week intensity and is tactically naive and unable to manage a game out properly when under pressure. He should go in my view but no doubt the soft touches upstairs will give it another season or two probably. As I said/implied the owners didn't do the manager any favours by "presenting" him with cash to bring in 6 new players (cash which he had mostly generated himself by selling/letting go other players). I don't think there's a manager who would say no thanks, but one or two will do. But six new players in midseason that's almost impossible. I say almost because no doubt someone has done it sometime, long ago, in a fairyland, but this is the real world. I don't at all agree with you that O'Neill failed miserably. A lot of circumstances went against us, and even if they didn't, the team was never run down by another team, except Fulham, which wasin the early part of the season. Otherwise defeats have been narrow, referees have been mean, well some of them, and every time we believed Powell was fit, he was unfit the next moment. It's regretable that some supporters can't see the bigger picture, but I'm sure the board can. The bigger picture is that 4 seasons on we're no better off & arguably worse having had to ensure an abysmal run not that much different from Nathan Jones - he's failed (for me) but maybe he can emulate Jones' performance this season if he's still at the helm, which I accept is highly likely .......
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 1, 2022 18:36:02 GMT
We’ve won 5 out of the last 8 against teams chasing play offs which isn’t too shabby. Dead rubbers according to some unlike yesterday's game which was different because...because we lost I guess 😄 Odd that 3 of the posters moaning were calling for the fringe players to be given a chance as the game wasn't important. Yeh - back to business as usual again yesterday..........
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 1, 2022 18:32:21 GMT
It might have been what they hoped for, perhaps even expected on day 1 of this season. But I doubt that they set it as "minimum", that term exactly. But even if they did, the key to the Coates' way of running the club is that you adapt as the season goes along, and they did adapt because they're rational thinkers - even if a few supporters are unable to see which way the wind blows, or blew by the time we were into February. They still backed MO'N in the Jan window, perhaps they even backed him too much, because it takes a mastermind coach to integrate six olayers in the middle of the season. It wasn't wise, it was madness, and probably did more harm than good. Signing just Baker and one other would have been smarter - of course that's easy to say now. It transpired that it wasn't going to work, but taking the logical consequence that some may think of was never on their minds. Perhaps it wasn't logical. At any rate we're now passed day 45 of the season, and no one in their right minds would suggest that we should have gone up. I agree - not many would have expected to go up - hoped maybe however I am certain that most, including the Coates’ - would have expected to be in with a shout via the playoffs having been 5th before Christmas. It hasn’t been good enough and as you say, O’Neill was strongly backed by the owners but failed miserably with one of the worst runs of underperformance and poor points return despite the backing. He’s not cut out for the 2 or 3 games a week intensity and is tactically naive and unable to manage a game out properly when under pressure. He should go in my view but no doubt the soft touches upstairs will give it another season or two probably.
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 1, 2022 6:45:51 GMT
Playoffs were minimum expectation this season and he’s failed miserably and for that should be let go next Saturday evening........ For who? The Coates’ I believe
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