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Post by gingerninja on Jan 27, 2022 9:08:28 GMT
A CEO I would consider to be a very pivotal role at any football club. We all know Tony Scholes has now left for pastures new, yet we have had nothing from the club about how we are restructuring around this departure. It appears he isn't being directly replaced, yet no official word. I know they have no obligation to tell supporters this, but for me it just typifies the way our club is being run. It's almost as if we muddle along with no specific plan?. If this is not the case and there is a clear objective, I am sure most fans would be interested in hearing it?.
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Post by flea79 on Jan 27, 2022 9:23:39 GMT
A CEO I would consider to be a very pivotal role at any football club. We all know Tony Scholes has now left for pastures new, yet we have had nothing from the club about how we are restructuring around this departure. It appears he isn't being directly replaced, yet no official word. I know they have no obligation to tell supporters this, but for me it just typifies the way our club is being run. It's almost as if we muddle along with no specific plan?. If this is not the case and there is a clear objective, I am sure most fans would be interested in hearing it?. sorry mate it has been announced, they are not replacing him, instead a senior team of managers from all areas will fill his role and report to the board, so each area has one manager instead of one man looking at all areas! |
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 27, 2022 9:30:29 GMT
That wasn't officially announced though was it via the club website?. Didn't that come via the Sentinel?.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 27, 2022 9:39:54 GMT
A CEO I would consider to be a very pivotal role at any football club. We all know Tony Scholes has now left for pastures new, yet we have had nothing from the club about how we are restructuring around this departure. It appears he isn't being directly replaced, yet no official word. I know they have no obligation to tell supporters this, but for me it just typifies the way our club is being run. It's almost as if we muddle along with no specific plan?. If this is not the case and there is a clear objective, I am sure most fans would be interested in hearing it?. sorry mate it has been announced, they are not replacing him, instead a senior team of managers from all areas will fill his role and report to the board, so each area has one manager instead of one man looking at all areas! Another terrible idea, again, the 'leadership' from the top is where our problems stem from. |
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Post by theoptimist on Jan 27, 2022 10:03:23 GMT
Drifting at the Club management level.
Drifting at footballing management level.
Drifting on the pitch
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Post by crowey on Jan 27, 2022 10:08:14 GMT
… what with FFP etc I don’t think there will be one. As muted before it will be shared between John Boy & Mr Bet365
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Post by crowey on Jan 27, 2022 10:10:23 GMT
… thinking about all this, does it mean TS fell on his sword? Of course not, he got a better offer
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Post by mowlee on Jan 27, 2022 10:16:02 GMT
O’Neil might be doing that side of things.. he seems too go on about ffp restrictions an letting people go too free up a wage etc.. maybe scholes didn’t like him too involved.. who knows
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 27, 2022 13:22:18 GMT
Summer could see DOF and CEO role combined and MON in the role with a head coach appointed it would be very Stoke , stressing the value of continuity etc , appearing to try and move with the times without real challenge .of course that limits the likelihood of a radical coach appointment
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 27, 2022 13:25:36 GMT
Summer could see DOF and CEO role combined and MON in the role with a head coach appointed it would be very Stoke , stressing the value of continuity etc , appearing to try and move with the times without real challenge .of course that limits the likelihood of a radical coach appointment I don’t anticipate anything radical unless we have a change at the very top. Fully expect us to go for another British manager if we replace MON, and the same structure. What’s the definition of insanity again? |
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Post by doctortheopolis on Jan 27, 2022 13:35:55 GMT
There's been no announcement from the club about what is happening which is part of the frustration. They seem quite happy for the local press to run the story and then they don't need to. If it isn't true then come out and say it, if it is true then come out and say it. Scholes leaving is/was a real chance to implement a new change of direction. If we don't need a CEO, why did we bother with having one previously? If we can't afford a new one, then tell us! Having a few business managers report into JC just smacks of no ambition and a lack of "football people".
I have a real worry in the direction that the club is going. I was told 6-7 years ago from a good source that JC was taking over the reigns and was effectively running the club. If this was the case then that also coincides with our decline and I think it is fair to say that there has become a culture of losing within the club generally ever since then. There seems to be no plan for going forward - are we so hampered by FFP that we will have put our faith in youth? If so, tell us and we can get onboard with that. It just feels like we are retreating into the wilderness again without a plan to halt this.
No one can say that the Coates family haven't been good for SCFC (although the first Coates reign definitely wasn't good for the club) but I fear we are consistently declining again under their watch. The problem is that there would be no point campaigning for "Coates out" as they will take their ball and go home and leave the club on the verge of liquidation. Feels like we are at a real crossroads and in danger of going down a 1990s cul de sac again.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 27, 2022 13:37:23 GMT
Summer could see DOF and CEO role combined and MON in the role with a head coach appointed it would be very Stoke , stressing the value of continuity etc , appearing to try and move with the times without real challenge .of course that limits the likelihood of a radical coach appointment I don’t anticipate anything radical unless we have a change at the very top. Fully expect us to go for another British manager if we replace MON, and the same structure. What’s the definition of insanity again? Having said that there are plenty of beritsuh managers who could make a difference see wilder and Cooper Personally i think Terry will make a brilliant manger with the right people around him , as this club needs energy and life breathing. Through it, it give’s off a Lowe energy vibe but at the other end of the scale a Mark Hughes is light years ahead of what we have had since we fired him and Silva is showing what a manger for a level above can do with a decent squad |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 28, 2022 14:49:28 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Jan 28, 2022 14:52:43 GMT
Absolute dream team. Revolutionary thinking. We are on our way lads ... On our way... Backwards |
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Post by questionable on Jan 28, 2022 14:57:33 GMT
Absolute dream team. Revolutionary thinking. We are on our way lads ... On our way... Backwards Behind the scenes restructure, total chaos reigns without doubt with Mr Given a job by his dad. |
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Post by citynickscfc on Jan 28, 2022 16:13:05 GMT
Absolute dream team. Revolutionary thinking. We are on our way lads ... On our way... Backwards Behind the scenes restructure, total chaos reigns without doubt with Mr Given a job by his dad. We call Watford a batshit crazy team.... But they aren't hundreds of millions in the red, with ffp restrictioms all over themselves, and crying over times gone by and missed opportunities.... Irony |
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Post by citynickscfc on Jan 28, 2022 16:13:27 GMT
Absolute dream team. Revolutionary thinking. We are on our way lads ... On our way... L double post |
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 28, 2022 16:32:29 GMT
Will the team play better?
Will we sign better players?
Will we be able to get away from the ground quicker?
Will the pies be better?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 28, 2022 16:52:34 GMT
Recognising that a football man needs to run the football side of things sounds a sensible move at least.
Still seems slightly arse about tit given that it's MON's man getting the gig and it seems to only further ensconce him in things, but at least it sounds like a plan of some description.
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Post by mowlee on Jan 28, 2022 17:04:50 GMT
Crazy decision if it goes tits up with mon
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 17:06:30 GMT
Behind the scenes restructure, total chaos reigns without doubt with Mr Given a job by his dad. We call Watford a batshit crazy team.... But they aren't hundreds of millions in the red, with ffp restrictioms all over themselves, and crying over times gone by and missed opportunities.... Irony Give them 12 months |
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 28, 2022 17:09:19 GMT
Moving away for a 360 degree CEO, as it's described in the council minutes is a positive step IMO.
We might not agree on the personnel in place but that can evolve over time.
At least the club have not just gone out and directly replaced Scholes, but have taken stock at how we operate and have seemingly aligned ourselves with some of the top clubs in the world with regards to the structure at least.
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Post by mowlee on Jan 28, 2022 17:10:43 GMT
So does this mean andy cousins sorts out players wages an contracts!! Get ready for extended contracts for Chester an Allen 😂😂😂😂
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Post by baystokie on Jan 28, 2022 17:49:08 GMT
So does this mean andy cousins sorts out players wages an contracts!! Get ready for extended contracts for Chester an Allen 😂😂😂😂 If the answer to your question is 'No', makes your next point redundant! So far, we have had job 'titles' and as we all know, these can hide a multitude of variables. Not much room for factual comment until we know the job 'descriptions. Bound to be some conjecture but for the time being, a bit of a non-event. |
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Post by jezzascfc on Jan 28, 2022 18:47:53 GMT
Trying to separate jobs, particularly non-football and football, makes sense in the football world today, and suggests we have actually thought a bit about it rather than just getting in another jobbing football club CEO. This is progress - that two of them are just sideways moves does seem rather less impressive, especially given that Cousins is so closely connected with MON.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 10, 2022 15:35:40 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 10, 2022 17:17:30 GMT
Structure makes sense it’s Certainly a different role than Scholes being responsible “for all football related matters “ separating the responsibilities , fully engaging the owners day to day , and allowing the football guys to run football and commercial to do commercial seems eminently sensible , id love to see a real football heavy weight in the board room but its all logical and clearly MON feels he can work with the football people appointed ,. Think the owners have made real progress with this structure , and of course the added benefit of getting Scholes out enables new thinking , new energy etc. |
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Post by Davef on Feb 10, 2022 17:52:38 GMT
Structure makes sense it’s Certainly a different role than Scholes being responsible “for all football related matters “ separating the responsibilities , fully engaging the owners day to day , and allowing the football guys to run football and commercial to do commercial seems eminently sensible , id love to see a real football heavy weight in the board room but its all logical and clearly MON feels he can work with the football people appointed ,. Think the owners have made real progress with this structure , and of course the added benefit  of getting Scholes out enables new thinking , new energy etc. Scholes was responsible for all football club related matters. A subtle difference to "football related matters." Why would he be responsible for all football related matters when the club employs a first team manager and a variety of coaches at all levels? |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 10, 2022 19:24:43 GMT
Structure makes sense it’s Certainly a different role than Scholes being responsible “for all football related matters “ separating the responsibilities , fully engaging the owners day to day , and allowing the football guys to run football and commercial to do commercial seems eminently sensible , id love to see a real football heavy weight in the board room but its all logical and clearly MON feels he can work with the football people appointed ,. Think the owners have made real progress with this structure , and of course the added benefit of getting Scholes out enables new thinking , new energy etc. Scholes was responsible for all football club related matters. A subtle difference to "football related matters." Why would he be responsible for all football related matters when the club employs a first team manager and a variety of coaches at all levels? 1 As you can see I’m praising the club for their response to his departure 2 I didn’t write the sept statement that said he was responsible for all football related matters , effectively everyone reported to him so he had ultimate executive control for which he was handsomely paid , the board did , of course we employed experts but the statement was clear , the chief executive of Amazon doesn’t drive or Ron the logistics department but he’s ultimately responsible hence the bug bucks |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 19:27:28 GMT
Structure makes sense it’s Certainly a different role than Scholes being responsible “for all football related matters “ separating the responsibilities , fully engaging the owners day to day , and allowing the football guys to run football and commercial to do commercial seems eminently sensible , id love to see a real football heavy weight in the board room but its all logical and clearly MON feels he can work with the football people appointed ,. Think the owners have made real progress with this structure , and of course the added benefit of getting Scholes out enables new thinking , new energy etc. Scholes was responsible for all football club related matters. A subtle difference to "football related matters." Why would he be responsible for all football related matters when the club employs a first team manager and a variety of coaches at all levels? I thought Hyaduck was quiet these days. He's landed it |
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