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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 12, 2017 11:53:41 GMT
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Post by Dave the Rave on Nov 12, 2017 11:56:23 GMT
So why the fuck weren't we in for Neymar?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 12:00:02 GMT
True success story that is hard to not admire TBH..Good on them, and well done for remaining in Stoke.
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Post by Gods on Nov 12, 2017 12:03:53 GMT
The lads are protesting on this news
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Nov 12, 2017 12:07:43 GMT
Come on Denise lets start heavily investing in our football team & try to compete with the big hitters. I know its a risky game & could backfire but lets have ago christs sake we may never have a chance like this again.
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Post by geoff321 on Nov 12, 2017 12:20:17 GMT
Come on Denise lets start heavily investing in our football team & try to compete with the big hitters. I know its a risky game & could backfire but lets have ago christs sake we may never have a chance like this again. Denise Coates, unlike the 19 million customers who risk their money by betting with her company, is unlikely to risk her own money by trying to compete with the big hitters, that's one of the reasons why she is rich and in the main the punters aren't.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 12:20:42 GMT
Come on Denise lets start heavily investing in our football team & try to compete with the big hitters. I know its a risky game & could backfire but lets have ago christs sake we may never have a chance like this again. Not a chance will that happen mate.
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Post by basingstokie on Nov 12, 2017 12:24:27 GMT
Come on Denise lets start heavily investing in our football team & try to compete with the big hitters. I know its a risky game & could backfire but lets have ago christs sake we may never have a chance like this again. No doubt Denise is a very astute business woman and the rest of the family ain't short of brain cells either. You can see that investing to reach the premiership was/is worth it financially and it's worth ensuring you stay there because the rewards - £££'s are worth it. But to become champions league contenders (ie top 4) has 2 issues; 1) the amount of cash needed to reach that level is probably in the hundreds of millions and even investing that doesn't guarantee it; 2) If you get there, do you need to keep pouring in cash each year - are any of the top 6 financially independent of their owners? Basically is it anything other than a rich man's toy?
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Post by Billy the kid on Nov 12, 2017 12:33:56 GMT
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Post by santy on Nov 12, 2017 12:37:12 GMT
Denise Coates doesn't have the money to make Stoke a top 6 side. Neither does the Bet365 group as a whole.
I seem to recall in 2011/2012 there were articles about how the investment in Man City as a total package (not just player purchases) had surpassed £1 billion.
Perhaps Denise has had this payment out of this years earnings from Bet365, or perhaps its come out of the £500m cash in the bank Bet365 already had which had been built up over a number of years.
Either way, the money just isn't there to fund a sustained assault on the top 6. The Coates family are billionaires based on their assets, not on their cash at the bank which is two different things. And even if they fancied a gamble themselves, and were prepared to fund a good portion of it, they wouldn't be willing to expose themselves of Bet365 to the liability should it all go tits up. I doubt the Stoke City "brand" as it were is going to get many banks willing to cough up some favourable financing to the tune of however many hundreds of millions are needed in addition to what they put in.
Furthermore, I'd argue that unlike 2 or 3 years ago, right now is the worst possible time to consider it. For the first time in years they all have their act together to a fair degree. Yes there's weaknesses, but no crisis on a par with Moyes/Van Gaal at United, Hodgson/Rodgers at Liverpool and competing for those last 2 spots is meaningless. You need the champions league football revenue for any hope of easing off the cash contributions from the owners.
I've mentioned before there's only 2 ways up really, try and buy your way in (Villa, Man City, Chelsea, Leeds with varying degrees of success) or work your way in. Liverpool are there as a legacy of what they achieved before the money, Arsenal and Man Utd got things right at the right time in the early days of the increasing revenue the only club who have done it under their own steam is Tottenham over the last 25 years & even then they've had a number of false dawns and disappointing collapses along the way.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 12, 2017 12:44:07 GMT
I read that Malcolm a very interesting read. And yes it is a phenomenal amount of money. I couldn't quite work it out but did they actually confirm she's the highest paid woman in the world?
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Post by sportsman on Nov 12, 2017 12:54:38 GMT
Come on Denise lets start heavily investing in our football team & try to compete with the big hitters. I know its a risky game & could backfire but lets have ago christs sake we may never have a chance like this again. Not a chance will that happen mate. There isn't, but you'd think with bet365 splattered everywhere around the club, you'd think they'd at least try and be the best we can. To keep being the lowest spenders and trying be as Pete puts it 'cute in the transfer market' doesn't give us the best chance for good positive exposure.
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Post by march4 on Nov 12, 2017 12:58:59 GMT
I read that Malcolm a very interesting read. And yes it is a phenomenal amount of money. I couldn't quite work it out but did they actually confirm she's the highest paid woman in the world? She wasn't top of the recent Forbes Rich List for women. She wasn't even the highest earning Stokie-born woman. (That is an amazing stat - North Staffs is the place to be born if you want to be a very rich woman) However, she was in the top 5 in the world, which is an incredible achievement. The difference with Denise and Bet365 is the rate at which their profits are increasing whereas, for many on the rich lists, their wealth has plateaued or is receding. This means she is only going to get higher and higher on all of these lists. She could outbid any football club in the world if she wished to, but I don't think that will ever be on the agenda. Let us just be glad that we are where we are. If the Coates' Family had not taken the club back when they did, I fear we would be looking up to Vale and Crewe wishing we were in their league.
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Post by sportsman on Nov 12, 2017 12:59:04 GMT
Denise Coates doesn't have the money to make Stoke a top 6 side. Neither does the Bet365 group as a whole. I seem to recall in 2011/2012 there were articles about how the investment in Man City as a total package (not just player purchases) had surpassed £1 billion. Perhaps Denise has had this payment out of this years earnings from Bet365, or perhaps its come out of the £500m cash in the bank Bet365 already had which had been built up over a number of years. Either way, the money just isn't there to fund a sustained assault on the top 6. The Coates family are billionaires based on their assets, not on their cash at the bank which is two different things. And even if they fancied a gamble themselves, and were prepared to fund a good portion of it, they wouldn't be willing to expose themselves of Bet365 to the liability should it all go tits up. I doubt the Stoke City "brand" as it were is going to get many banks willing to cough up some favourable financing to the tune of however many hundreds of millions are needed in addition to what they put in. Furthermore, I'd argue that unlike 2 or 3 years ago, right now is the worst possible time to consider it. For the first time in years they all have their act together to a fair degree. Yes there's weaknesses, but no crisis on a par with Moyes/Van Gaal at United, Hodgson/Rodgers at Liverpool and competing for those last 2 spots is meaningless. You need the champions league football revenue for any hope of easing off the cash contributions from the owners. I've mentioned before there's only 2 ways up really, try and buy your way in (Villa, Man City, Chelsea, Leeds with varying degrees of success) or work your way in. Liverpool are there as a legacy of what they achieved before the money, Arsenal and Man Utd got things right at the right time in the early days of the increasing revenue the only club who have done it under their own steam is Tottenham over the last 25 years & even then they've had a number of false dawns and disappointing collapses along the way. Competing with the top six is not going happen, unless you fluke a season. I'd like to see us pump the money in to try finish best of the rest, but to get that extra few million in league places, you may have to spend 10 times that to get there, again unless you spend it well and have a consistent season.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 12, 2017 13:03:54 GMT
So why the fuck weren't we in for Neymar? Because he is a crying crockodile?
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Post by stokecity4eva on Nov 12, 2017 13:11:51 GMT
I heard a rumour a few weeks back that it was Denise who was lobbying for Hughes to go in the summer and her dad and John out voted her. She is/was incredibly worried about the likes of wolves who have spent £80mill on trying to get to the prem. She wanted to get rid of Hughes last summer and bring in Silva she was also happy to spend a lot of money on players but John n Peter want the club to be self sufficient. How true it is I don’t know but quite interesting if it is.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 12, 2017 13:12:12 GMT
She sexually harassed me when I was a kid!!! 😭
What's that claims number now??? 😉
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Nov 12, 2017 13:17:23 GMT
Bring out the strap-on Denise, come on.
Sparky’s arse is prime for an absolute drilling before being discarded like a jizz rag.
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Post by wuzza on Nov 12, 2017 13:18:51 GMT
The family probably think the only way to significantly improve is to produce a few gems ( a la Harry Kane ) and get a couple of seasons out of them before they move on. Throwing more and more money at 2nd tier players doesn’t really get you much further than we have been. Sadly our Acadamy structure just doesn’t seem up to the task so for the moment we are in a holding pattern and Bet 365’s astonishing increases in profits won’t really have any bearing on the issue.
(on a side note, never having been a gambler myself it never ceases to amaze me the number of people willing to hurl their hard earned in the direction of betting companies)
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 12, 2017 13:25:29 GMT
I heard a rumour a few weeks back that it was Denise who was lobbying for Hughes to go in the summer and her dad and John out voted her. She is/was incredibly worried about the likes of wolves who have spent £80mill on trying to get to the prem. She wanted to get rid of Hughes last summer and bring in Silva she was also happy to spend a lot of money on players but John n Peter want the club to be self sufficient. How true it is I don’t know but quite interesting if it is. Albeit a long time ago ie when St Peter took over for his second stint, I heard from a sauce that Denise was dead set against it and hated SCFC because of the way we'd treated her old man the first time round. It was all Pete and Jon with Denise refusing to have anything to do with us other than indulging her dad with a bit of spending money. That of course may have changed evidenced by the bet365 sponsorship deal but not to the extent of the complete role reversal you describe. Surely?
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Post by stokecity4eva on Nov 12, 2017 13:40:27 GMT
I heard a rumour a few weeks back that it was Denise who was lobbying for Hughes to go in the summer and her dad and John out voted her. She is/was incredibly worried about the likes of wolves who have spent £80mill on trying to get to the prem. She wanted to get rid of Hughes last summer and bring in Silva she was also happy to spend a lot of money on players but John n Peter want the club to be self sufficient. How true it is I don’t know but quite interesting if it is. Albeit a long time ago ie when St Peter took over for his second stint, I heard from a sauce that Denise was dead set against it and hated SCFC because of the way we'd treated her old man the first time round. It was all Pete and Jon with Denise refusing to have anything to do with us other than indulging her dad with a bit of spending money. That of course may have changed evidenced by the bet365 sponsorship deal but not to the extent of the complete role reversal you describe. Surely? That was what I always thought in that she hated everything Stoke related but my guess would be that she’s seen what revenue/exposure Stoke being a top half prem side brings to Bet365. I suppose we will never know.
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 12, 2017 13:48:40 GMT
So why the fuck weren't we in for Neymar? No were going after messi and Renaldo at the end of the season
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Post by sportsman on Nov 12, 2017 13:50:00 GMT
I heard a rumour a few weeks back that it was Denise who was lobbying for Hughes to go in the summer and her dad and John out voted her. She is/was incredibly worried about the likes of wolves who have spent £80mill on trying to get to the prem. She wanted to get rid of Hughes last summer and bring in Silva she was also happy to spend a lot of money on players but John n Peter want the club to be self sufficient. How true it is I don’t know but quite interesting if it is. I've got a feeling that rumour started either on here, or in the dog and duck.
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Post by leicspotter on Nov 12, 2017 14:19:14 GMT
Knowing the 'habits' of top footballers I reckon Denise has got it sorted. Pay them loads, then take a wedge back from them during their down time
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 12, 2017 14:23:04 GMT
I heard a rumour a few weeks back that it was Denise who was lobbying for Hughes to go in the summer and her dad and John out voted her. She is/was incredibly worried about the likes of wolves who have spent £80mill on trying to get to the prem. She wanted to get rid of Hughes last summer and bring in Silva she was also happy to spend a lot of money on players but John n Peter want the club to be self sufficient. How true it is I don’t know but quite interesting if it is. I would say that is absolute bollocks and amongst the largest dose of absolute bullshit ever posted on this forum. No offence intended
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Nov 12, 2017 14:32:36 GMT
I don't think she is tjat interested in football, not sure she even watches us . Probably why she is so smart
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Post by lordb on Nov 12, 2017 14:36:00 GMT
I heard a rumour a few weeks back that it was Denise who was lobbying for Hughes to go in the summer and her dad and John out voted her. She is/was incredibly worried about the likes of wolves who have spent £80mill on trying to get to the prem. She wanted to get rid of Hughes last summer and bring in Silva she was also happy to spend a lot of money on players but John n Peter want the club to be self sufficient. How true it is I don’t know but quite interesting if it is. Would be very interesting however thought she had no interest in football at all, not to say she doesn't have say when it comes to £££ but doubt in the extreme she would be venturing names. As for Silva, jury still out for me
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Post by ChesterStokie on Nov 12, 2017 14:39:32 GMT
Actually Malcolm the most amazing stat for me is that a motley assortment of men kicking a football around can earn half as much as arguably the most successful businesswoman in Britain who has created thousands of jobs in her local community and by all accounts is actually paying her fair share of taxes
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 14:46:06 GMT
More chance of Denise investing in The Sounds and Light disco at the Kings Hall. I suspect that's where her heart really lies.
Point is that it's hard to breath life back into something that was for all intents and purposes dead. You can make it stand up but you will never make it be what it once was.
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Post by mrred on Nov 12, 2017 14:46:30 GMT
Not a chance will that happen mate. There isn't, but you'd think with bet365 splattered everywhere around the club, you'd think they'd at least try and be the best we can. To keep being the lowest spenders and trying be as Pete puts it 'cute in the transfer market' doesn't give us the best chance for good positive exposure. This is what puzzles me. Why would you want a brand like bet365, as big and worldwide as it is- heavily associated with a middle of the road (and let's be honest), beige club like ours that just makes up numbers? Make the club a force and a club that outsiders want to watch.
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