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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 12, 2017 14:47:42 GMT
Not a chance will that happen mate. There isn't, but you'd think with bet365 splattered everywhere around the club, you'd think they'd at least try and be the best we can. To keep being the lowest spenders and trying be as Pete puts it 'cute in the transfer market' doesn't give us the best chance for good positive exposure. And all over the world through media coverage mate. Said it before this is the reason for us being in the PL and why there is little appetite from the owners to take Stoke City to the next level whilst the current exposure of bet365 is bringing them untold riches and fame.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Nov 12, 2017 15:02:35 GMT
There isn't, but you'd think with bet365 splattered everywhere around the club, you'd think they'd at least try and be the best we can. To keep being the lowest spenders and trying be as Pete puts it 'cute in the transfer market' doesn't give us the best chance for good positive exposure. And all over the world through media coverage mate. Said it before this is the reason for us being in the PL and why there is little appetite from the owners to take Stoke City to the next level whilst the current exposure of bet365 is bringing them untold riches and fame. Agreed. It just would not make sense for them to throw the £b at it that would be required for us to reach the next level AND STAY THERE. Even if we miraculously achieved what Leicester did it would only be short term. We can NEVER compete long term with the big city global brand clubs. And high up in their long term risk analysis will be the spectre of a ban on gambling sponsorship.
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Post by santy on Nov 12, 2017 15:11:24 GMT
There isn't, but you'd think with bet365 splattered everywhere around the club, you'd think they'd at least try and be the best we can. To keep being the lowest spenders and trying be as Pete puts it 'cute in the transfer market' doesn't give us the best chance for good positive exposure. And all over the world through media coverage mate. Said it before this is the reason for us being in the PL and why there is little appetite from the owners to take Stoke City to the next level whilst the current exposure of bet365 is bringing them untold riches and fame. I've seen a few posts along these lines, and always wondered what the thought process behind it is. Do you think the success of Bet365 is owed in some way to their 3-4 year formal association with Stoke City that the wider world has been able to observe? Their revenues were already above 10 billion before they even formally put a letter of their name on the shirt as sponsors. I understand the draw to try and claim they've only got what they have because of Stoke, and that therefore there is an implied degree of "they owe us" but the worldwide bet365 advertisements taking place in live football in the advertisement breaks and the fact that for a couple of years prior every game in England being televised had bet365 advertisements on the hoardings incessantly. I suppose there is always the chance bet365 are the exception though out of all the companies who are bookies that have sponsored football teams and sponsoring a club has been responsible for the massive growth, and not being at the forefront of adopting changes.
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Post by jaybee on Nov 12, 2017 15:56:13 GMT
This is what puzzles me. Why would you want a brand like bet365, as big and worldwide as it is- heavily associated with a middle of the road (and let's be honest), beige club like ours that just makes up numbers? Make the club a force and a club that outsiders want to watch. I never understand this advertising nonsense really. On a local front, what percentage of folks really know who Q Railings are or what they do??? On a national stage, can we remember who is 'heavily associated' with the 'big' clubs I will make a top of my head guess:- Man C = an airline? Man U = Chevrolet Chelsea = a tyre company? Tottenham = a company who's name begins with A, but can't remember the name or what they do Arsenal = another airline? Liverpool = standard chartered. Not a clue what they do. Ho hum ...........
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 16:02:11 GMT
Come on Denise lets start heavily investing in our football team & try to compete with the big hitters. I know its a risky game & could backfire but lets have ago christs sake we may never have a chance like this again. I don't even want us to. I don't want any more Imbulas or Berahinos. Wasters. Let them go bankrupt when the bubble bursts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 16:03:50 GMT
And all over the world through media coverage mate. Said it before this is the reason for us being in the PL and why there is little appetite from the owners to take Stoke City to the next level whilst the current exposure of bet365 is bringing them untold riches and fame. I've seen a few posts along these lines, and always wondered what the thought process behind it is. Do you think the success of Bet365 is owed in some way to their 3-4 year formal association with Stoke City that the wider world has been able to observe? Their revenues were already above 10 billion before they even formally put a letter of their name on the shirt as sponsors. I understand the draw to try and claim they've only got what they have because of Stoke, and that therefore there is an implied degree of "they owe us" but the worldwide bet365 advertisements taking place in live football in the advertisement breaks and the fact that for a couple of years prior every game in England being televised had bet365 advertisements on the hoardings incessantly. I suppose there is always the chance bet365 are the exception though out of all the companies who are bookies that have sponsored football teams and sponsoring a club has been responsible for the massive growth, and not being at the forefront of adopting changes. They're on tv and online pretty much everywhere 24/7. SCFC must be a very small bit of their ad budget.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 12, 2017 16:07:37 GMT
Stoke City supporters fawning over a Billionaire who doesn't like Stoke City supporters...
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 12, 2017 16:22:27 GMT
Denise Coates doesn't have the money to make Stoke a top 6 side. Neither does the Bet365 group as a whole. I seem to recall in 2011/2012 there were articles about how the investment in Man City as a total package (not just player purchases) had surpassed £1 billion. Perhaps Denise has had this payment out of this years earnings from Bet365, or perhaps its come out of the £500m cash in the bank Bet365 already had which had been built up over a number of years. Either way, the money just isn't there to fund a sustained assault on the top 6. The Coates family are billionaires based on their assets, not on their cash at the bank which is two different things. And even if they fancied a gamble themselves, and were prepared to fund a good portion of it, they wouldn't be willing to expose themselves of Bet365 to the liability should it all go tits up. I doubt the Stoke City "brand" as it were is going to get many banks willing to cough up some favourable financing to the tune of however many hundreds of millions are needed in addition to what they put in. Furthermore, I'd argue that unlike 2 or 3 years ago, right now is the worst possible time to consider it. For the first time in years they all have their act together to a fair degree. Yes there's weaknesses, but no crisis on a par with Moyes/Van Gaal at United, Hodgson/Rodgers at Liverpool and competing for those last 2 spots is meaningless. You need the champions league football revenue for any hope of easing off the cash contributions from the owners. I've mentioned before there's only 2 ways up really, try and buy your way in (Villa, Man City, Chelsea, Leeds with varying degrees of success) or work your way in. Liverpool are there as a legacy of what they achieved before the money, Arsenal and Man Utd got things right at the right time in the early days of the increasing revenue the only club who have done it under their own steam is Tottenham over the last 25 years & even then they've had a number of false dawns and disappointing collapses along the way. Competing with the top six is not going happen, unless you fluke a season. I'd like to see us pump the money in to try finish best of the rest, but to get that extra few million in league places, you may have to spend 10 times that to get there, again unless you spend it well and have a consistent season. Like Everton or West Ham???????
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Post by sportsman on Nov 12, 2017 16:28:45 GMT
Competing with the top six is not going happen, unless you fluke a season. I'd like to see us pump the money in to try finish best of the rest, but to get that extra few million in league places, you may have to spend 10 times that to get there, again unless you spend it well and have a consistent season. Like Everton or West Ham??????? That's why I wrote the sentences after that.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 12, 2017 16:40:33 GMT
Like Everton or West Ham??????? That's why I wrote the sentences after that. I'm agreeing with you. It would be foolishly extravagant for her to start trying to chase league places with money. I think Peter Coates declared ambition of trying to achieve sustainability in the Prem is itself highly ambitious but more sensible if the Coates family want to leave a lasting legacy.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 12, 2017 16:57:47 GMT
Stoke City supporters fawning over a Billionaire who doesn't like Stoke City supporters... Or Stoke city supporters showing due respect for a woman who,has enabled the transformation of our football club , become britains most successful ever female entrepreneur , stood by her roots , employed thousands of people in the local area and done that despite people giving her fathers address away at Reading and encouraging abuse , as she clearly supports her family in what they want to do . Two lenses in the same situation.
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Post by leicspotter on Nov 12, 2017 17:31:10 GMT
Stoke City supporters fawning over a Billionaire who doesn't like Stoke City supporters... Or Stoke city supporters showing due respect for a woman who,has enabled the transformation of our football club , become britains most successful ever female entrepreneur , stood by her roots , employed thousands of people in the local area and done that despite people giving her fathers address away at Reading and encouraging abuse , as she clearly supports her family in what they want to do . Two lenses in the same situation. Whisper it quietly, not only do I understand this, I actually agree with it!
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Post by Clem Fandango on Nov 12, 2017 17:34:15 GMT
Stoke City supporters fawning over a Billionaire who doesn't like Stoke City supporters... Or Stoke city supporters showing due respect for a woman who,has enabled the transformation of our football club , become britains most successful ever female entrepreneur , stood by her roots , employed thousands of people in the local area and done that despite people giving her fathers address away at Reading and encouraging abuse , as she clearly supports her family in what they want to do . Two lenses in the same situation. Bang on Benj. The investment in the local area is the one for me. It would have been far easier and cheaper to run their operation from India as with a lot of IT organisations. The Bet365 investment in us is a slight aside and to be honest if my missus was the owner of a company like Bet365 you can guarantee she wouldnt have given me £1 to invest in football (I doubt she'd even pay for sky sports).
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Post by elystokie on Nov 12, 2017 17:38:14 GMT
Stoke City supporters fawning over a Billionaire who doesn't like Stoke City supporters... Or Stoke city supporters showing due respect for a woman who,has enabled the transformation of our football club , become britains most successful ever female entrepreneur , stood by her roots , employed thousands of people in the local area and done that despite people giving her fathers address away at Reading and encouraging abuse , as she clearly supports her family in what they want to do . Two lenses in the same situation. Who are you and why have you hacked biscuits' account?
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Post by chad on Nov 12, 2017 17:39:33 GMT
Stoke City supporters fawning over a Billionaire who doesn't like Stoke City supporters... Or Stoke city supporters showing due respect for a woman who,has enabled the transformation of our football club , become britains most successful ever female entrepreneur , stood by her roots , employed thousands of people in the local area and done that despite people giving her fathers address away at Reading and encouraging abuse , as she clearly supports her family in what they want to do . Two lenses in the same situation. Best thing you’ve ever posted Benjamin 😊
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 12, 2017 17:44:19 GMT
Or Stoke city supporters showing due respect for a woman who,has enabled the transformation of our football club , become britains most successful ever female entrepreneur , stood by her roots , employed thousands of people in the local area and done that despite people giving her fathers address away at Reading and encouraging abuse , as she clearly supports her family in what they want to do . Two lenses in the same situation. Whisper it quietly, not only do I understand this, I actually agree with it! And don't tell Davef but it might even pass as a positive post
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 12, 2017 17:46:31 GMT
Or Stoke city supporters showing due respect for a woman who,has enabled the transformation of our football club , become britains most successful ever female entrepreneur , stood by her roots , employed thousands of people in the local area and done that despite people giving her fathers address away at Reading and encouraging abuse , as she clearly supports her family in what they want to do . Two lenses in the same situation. Bang on Benj. The investment in the local area is the one for me. It would have been far easier and cheaper to run their operation from India as with a lot of IT organisations. The Bet365 investment in us is a slight aside and to be honest if my missus was the owner of a company like Bet365 you can guarantee she wouldnt have given me £1 to invest in football (I doubt she'd even pay for sky sports). Divorce her then and screw her for half her billions.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 12, 2017 17:48:05 GMT
Come on Denise lets start heavily investing in our football team & try to compete with the big hitters. I know its a risky game & could backfire but lets have ago christs sake we may never have a chance like this again. Denise Coates, unlike the 19 million customers who risk their money by betting with her company, is unlikely to risk her own money by trying to compete with the big hitters, that's one of the reasons why she is rich and in the main the punters aren't. So why should we give a shit, then? We're being fucked twice!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 17:55:39 GMT
Stoke City supporters fawning over a Billionaire who doesn't like Stoke City supporters... Or Stoke city supporters showing due respect for a woman who,has enabled the transformation of our football club , become britains most successful ever female entrepreneur , stood by her roots , employed thousands of people in the local area and done that despite people giving her fathers address away at Reading and encouraging abuse , as she clearly supports her family in what they want to do . Two lenses in the same situation. Incredibly and impressively lucid.
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Post by Gods on Nov 12, 2017 17:56:14 GMT
There isn't, but you'd think with bet365 splattered everywhere around the club, you'd think they'd at least try and be the best we can. To keep being the lowest spenders and trying be as Pete puts it 'cute in the transfer market' doesn't give us the best chance for good positive exposure. This is what puzzles me. Why would you want a brand like bet365, as big and worldwide as it is- heavily associated with a middle of the road (and let's be honest), beige club like ours that just makes up numbers? Make the club a force and a club that outsiders want to watch. Perhaps but surely then it would be much cheaper to just sponsor a Big 6'er than to try and turn the club you already sponsor in to one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 18:26:28 GMT
Not a chance will that happen mate. There isn't, but you'd think with bet365 splattered everywhere around the club, you'd think they'd at least try and be the best we can. To keep being the lowest spenders and trying be as Pete puts it 'cute in the transfer market' doesn't give us the best chance for good positive exposure. They get plenty of good exposure with their existing sponsorship deals in and around the Premier League and Champions League. They also get good worldwide exposure through being the main sponsor on the shirts of Ludogorets, who regularly qualify for the Champions League qualifiers each season. We obviously don't provide that. Looking at it from an entirely business point of view and not a supporters eye view, why would you do what Everton have just done, and spend over 100M (not net I know...) when most people only expected them to finish 7th or even 6th at a push if everything went well? What is in it for them at only 1.5M per place? Spend over 100M to get roughly 5-7M back? What's that in very rough maths, 100M on a 1/20 priced horse? Would you do it? If it was me, the Dong would never be put back in the trousers but that's why I live in a 'two up, two down' in Stoke and not in a mansion in Cheshire owning a multi billion pound company.
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Post by potterglen on Nov 12, 2017 18:32:50 GMT
She sexually harassed me when I was a kid!!! 😭 What's that claims number now??? 😉 And then you woke up
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 12, 2017 18:33:49 GMT
Did Pugsley just get owned by Benji?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 18:35:06 GMT
Is it worth having all that money if it means you have to pay for bodyguards to accompany your kids to and from school.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 12, 2017 19:07:13 GMT
Is it worth having all that money if it means you have to pay for bodyguards to accompany your kids to and from school. Mmmm let me think about that for a milisecond.
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Post by GoBoks on Nov 12, 2017 19:27:00 GMT
Come on Denise lets start heavily investing in our football team & try to compete with the big hitters. I know its a risky game & could backfire but lets have ago christs sake we may never have a chance like this again. And if the risk gets the better of you and you lose everything, don’t worry, you can at least say you tried. And me? I’ll just start moaning at the next owner to put their money into the club.
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Post by GoBoks on Nov 12, 2017 19:33:35 GMT
I read that Malcolm a very interesting read. And yes it is a phenomenal amount of money. I couldn't quite work it out but did they actually confirm she's the highest paid woman in the world? She wasn't top of the recent Forbes Rich List for women. She wasn't even the highest earning Stokie-born woman. (That is an amazing stat - North Staffs is the place to be born if you want to be a very rich woman) However, she was in the top 5 in the world, which is an incredible achievement. The difference with Denise and Bet365 is the rate at which their profits are increasing whereas, for many on the rich lists, their wealth has plateaued or is receding. This means she is only going to get higher and higher on all of these lists. She could outbid any football club in the world if she wished to, but I don't think that will ever be on the agenda. Let us just be glad that we are where we are. If the Coates' Family had not taken the club back when they did, I fear we would be looking up to Vale and Crewe wishing we were in their league. You think we’d be non-league?
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Post by Dave the Rave on Nov 12, 2017 19:34:46 GMT
The lads are protesting on this news Why is Diouf paid in US Dollars?
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Post by GoBoks on Nov 12, 2017 19:37:00 GMT
I heard a rumour a few weeks back that it was Denise who was lobbying for Hughes to go in the summer and her dad and John out voted her. She is/was incredibly worried about the likes of wolves who have spent £80mill on trying to get to the prem. She wanted to get rid of Hughes last summer and bring in Silva she was also happy to spend a lot of money on players but John n Peter want the club to be self sufficient. How true it is I don’t know but quite interesting if it is. I heard a rumour that Denise is actually Abramovic trying to take over a real club.!
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Post by mattador78 on Nov 12, 2017 20:11:27 GMT
I read that Malcolm a very interesting read. And yes it is a phenomenal amount of money. I couldn't quite work it out but did they actually confirm she's the highest paid woman in the world? She wasn't top of the recent Forbes Rich List for women. She wasn't even the highest earning Stokie-born woman. (That is an amazing stat - North Staffs is the place to be born if you want to be a very rich woman) However, she was in the top 5 in the world, which is an incredible achievement. The difference with Denise and Bet365 is the rate at which their profits are increasing whereas, for many on the rich lists, their wealth has plateaued or is receding. This means she is only going to get higher and higher on all of these lists. She could outbid any football club in the world if she wished to, but I don't think that will ever be on the agenda. Let us just be glad that we are where we are. If the Coates' Family had not taken the club back when they did, I fear we would be looking up to Vale and Crewe wishing we were in their league. She is the highest earning stoke woman the other one is a bird who’s from stoke but married a Swiss billionaire pharmaceutical firm owner
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