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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 13, 2017 14:50:57 GMT
I can sum up bet 365 in this scenario : someone I know had come up with a perfectly legit system to constantly & regularly win via gambling, but very small amounts - however a tidy, albeit small, income. As soon as bet365 realised, they closed his/her account. In other words they'll deal with losers big-time but winners ? (i.e. someone with at least half a brain who is just as good as them re: calculations etc) and they feel threatened ..... pathetic ! They employ people to track account activity to prevent these sorts of things happening. What your friend was doing obviously violated the terms in some way. I'm sure plenty of people can come up with ways to 'beat the bookie' but it's not really possible without pissing the bookie off, hence why they get banned. They aren't going to allow themselves to be manipulated, are they? Otherwise they'd have no business. They don't want to lose anything, ever. They could afford the odd punter(and it IS the odd punter) to make a little profit, but they absolutely shit themselves at the thought of it. Obviously they are in the business of making money, but to close accounts for a modicum of success is fucking pathetic. How are they being manipulated? Probably by someone who bets steadily on something they know something about ; something bookmakers hate, despite their responsible gambling bollocks. A similar scenario unfolded on a documentary on television a while back. A punter made a steady profit betting on Rugby, (on who would be Man Of The Match, I believe) and the betting company closed his account. Fucking shameful, with the profits they make! The previous poster is right, you are only allowed to lose consistently.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 13, 2017 14:57:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 15:07:47 GMT
Last bet I had was half a crown on Crisp in the National, that was 1973 and it was tradition in our family to have a small bet on the National.
I think I can stand the losses I incurred.
No one makes you bet, drink, smoke or do drugs. It's all up to you how you waste your money.
The Coates family are in the public eye a lot more than the owners of McDonalds or the pubs.
No shame in making an honest buck I was taught.
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Post by Northy on Nov 13, 2017 15:13:55 GMT
must have changed since PC claimed they are uk based and pay all their taxes, damn them !
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 13, 2017 15:34:33 GMT
They employ people to track account activity to prevent these sorts of things happening. What your friend was doing obviously violated the terms in some way. I'm sure plenty of people can come up with ways to 'beat the bookie' but it's not really possible without pissing the bookie off, hence why they get banned. They aren't going to allow themselves to be manipulated, are they? Otherwise they'd have no business. They don't want to lose anything, ever. They could afford the odd punter(and it IS the odd punter) to make a little profit, but they absolutely shit themselves at the thought of it. Obviously they are in the business of making money, but to close accounts for a modicum of success is fucking pathetic. How are they being manipulated? Probably by someone who bets steadily on something they know something about ; something bookmakers hate, despite their responsible gambling bollocks. A similar scenario unfolded on a documentary on television a while back. A punter made a steady profit betting on Rugby, (on who would be Man Of The Match, I believe) and the betting company closed his account. Fucking shameful, with the profits they make! The previous poster is right, you are only allowed to lose consistently. Oh yeah, no doubt about it, it's absolutely wank that they can and do, do it. They hate being beaten and if they notice anything "suspicious", even just for pennies, they'll act on it.
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Post by rawli on Nov 13, 2017 16:15:34 GMT
They employ people to track account activity to prevent these sorts of things happening. What your friend was doing obviously violated the terms in some way. I'm sure plenty of people can come up with ways to 'beat the bookie' but it's not really possible without pissing the bookie off, hence why they get banned. They aren't going to allow themselves to be manipulated, are they? Otherwise they'd have no business. They don't want to lose anything, ever. They could afford the odd punter(and it IS the odd punter) to make a little profit, but they absolutely shit themselves at the thought of it. Obviously they are in the business of making money, but to close accounts for a modicum of success is fucking pathetic. How are they being manipulated? Probably by someone who bets steadily on something they know something about ; something bookmakers hate, despite their responsible gambling bollocks. A similar scenario unfolded on a documentary on television a while back. A punter made a steady profit betting on Rugby, (on who would be Man Of The Match, I believe) and the betting company closed his account. Fucking shameful, with the profits they make! The previous poster is right, you are only allowed to lose consistently. They are in it to make money not be fair to punters. All the 'when the fun stops, stop' bollocks is lip service to the authorities. They are selling an addictive product where they can bleed people dry and are happy to do so. The rest of society have to pick up the costs of the addiction and the suffering and crime that results.
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Post by jaybee on Nov 13, 2017 17:41:50 GMT
<<She lives quietly in a farmhouse in Sandbach, just outside of Stoke>> Not sure how the, Cheshire elite would like to be described as living 'just outside Stoke!!
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 13, 2017 17:48:13 GMT
She needs to find a good hairdresser though
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Post by rawli on Nov 13, 2017 18:03:42 GMT
Last bet I had was half a crown on Crisp in the National, that was 1973 and it was tradition in our family to have a small bet on the National. I think I can stand the losses I incurred. No one makes you bet, drink, smoke or do drugs. It's all up to you how you waste your money. The Coates family are in the public eye a lot more than the owners of McDonalds or the pubs. No shame in making an honest buck I was taught. It's hardly an honest buck when you close down the accounts of regular winners is it?
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 13, 2017 18:30:11 GMT
"I'm not saying I'm a shrinking violet. I'm not. I've been bossy all my life. It's just I very much enjoy actually running the business." MSN articalshe earned more than taylor swift last year too
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 18:59:05 GMT
she earned more than taylor swift last year too But TayTay is hot.
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Post by fca47 on Nov 13, 2017 19:00:54 GMT
They are domiciled and resident in the U.K. So will pay tax on whatever they earn. There are loads of shopaholics in the country, maybe we should close all the shops because some people can't stop buying things. There is loads of hypocrisy about gambling.Politicians love to do a bit of virtue signalling.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 19:40:22 GMT
Gambling companies all want money.
Sad to say they have the same morals as the brewing industry that produces high strength cider that has never seen an apple because people like the taste......if the people are alcohol dependent addicts committing a slow suicide that is
BET365 work on the same level exploiting human frailty and self-destruction
Shame really but hey ho. Every millionaire or billionaire makes money through the ruthless exploitation of the weak, football clubs are hobbies and ego extensions
Let's see how we fare when Papa Coates turns his toes up and Denise holds the reins
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Post by andystokey on Nov 13, 2017 20:27:43 GMT
The Guardian article is heavily focused on her salary vs tiny donations (£8m) to gambling addiction charities. Even though £50m was donated to other charitable trusts. It won't be long in my opinion before someone in Gov't takes a serious swipe at gambling companies similar to tobacco. Take it while you can Denise I say, you took a big gamble setting up the Company and it paid off.
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Post by barcaontrent on Nov 13, 2017 20:35:09 GMT
Deserves every single penny The Guardian being the socialist rag it usually is reported enough is enough, yet they are the same newspaper that consistently moan women are never in the highest earning bracket
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 13, 2017 20:46:33 GMT
One point worth making is that coates pays his/her fair whack of tax it go's with his principles of social justice they are the only gambling firm registered in the uk and pays full tax where as all others are registered offshore to avoid tax!! This is why if stoke make a loss they can wright this off against the tax of the parent company
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 13, 2017 22:00:03 GMT
They are domiciled and resident in the U.K. So will pay tax on whatever they earn. There are loads of shopaholics in the country, maybe we should close all the shops because some people can't stop buying things. There is loads of hypocrisy about gambling.Politicians love to do a bit of virtue signalling. I have no idea about their tax arrangements but its not true to say they would automatically pay tax on whatever they earn, salary for sure there is no way round this but dividends would only become taxable in the UK if they are paid to a Uk company or person or when the recepient brings the cash back to the UK.
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Post by shangamuzo on Nov 13, 2017 22:37:17 GMT
There's a photo of her in the express today, I'd never clapped eyes on her before. She looks quite a bit like Margaret Thatcher facially.
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Post by shangamuzo on Nov 13, 2017 22:48:47 GMT
They employ people to track account activity to prevent these sorts of things happening. What your friend was doing obviously violated the terms in some way. I'm sure plenty of people can come up with ways to 'beat the bookie' but it's not really possible without pissing the bookie off, hence why they get banned. They aren't going to allow themselves to be manipulated, are they? Otherwise they'd have no business. They don't want to lose anything, ever. They could afford the odd punter(and it IS the odd punter) to make a little profit, but they absolutely shit themselves at the thought of it. Obviously they are in the business of making money, but to close accounts for a modicum of success is fucking pathetic. How are they being manipulated? Probably by someone who bets steadily on something they know something about ; something bookmakers hate, despite their responsible gambling bollocks. A similar scenario unfolded on a documentary on television a while back. A punter made a steady profit betting on Rugby, (on who would be Man Of The Match, I believe) and the betting company closed his account. Fucking shameful, with the profits they make! The previous poster is right, you are only allowed to lose consistently. It's very rare for a bookie to close an account but even if they do. There are loads of others to place bets with and bet anonymously in cash. It takes an exceptional, well-disciplined and very knowledgeable punter to beat the book over a long period of time. Such a punter could also use the betting exchanges, nobody gets banned for winning too much on those because they're betting directly against other punters.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 14, 2017 8:17:54 GMT
One point worth making is that coates pays his/her fair whack of tax it go's with his principles of social justice they are the only gambling firm registered in the uk and pays full tax where as all others are registered offshore to avoid tax!! This is why if stoke make a loss they can wright this off against the tax of the parent company As I posted before they are registered in Gibralter for tax purposes.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 14, 2017 11:02:08 GMT
One point worth making is that coates pays his/her fair whack of tax it go's with his principles of social justice they are the only gambling firm registered in the uk and pays full tax where as all others are registered offshore to avoid tax!! This is why if stoke make a loss they can wright this off against the tax of the parent company As I posted before they are registered in Gibralter for tax purposes. I'm not an expert on this kind of thing but they are registered with Companies House in Stoke on Trent. beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04241161
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 14, 2017 11:14:10 GMT
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Post by thebet365 on Nov 14, 2017 11:36:39 GMT
They do have a company registered in Gibraltar which I presume is to save some tax. It's called Hillside (Sports) GP Ltd. That's what always shows up when you deposit/withdraw money.
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 14, 2017 11:45:51 GMT
It should be remembered that they employ a lot of people who live in and around the SOT area.
I believe that they are paid quite generously, and all pay U.K. Tax and NI., unlike many companies who pay min wages and zero hours contracts.
Well done Denise and Bet365.
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Post by Glory Hunter on Nov 14, 2017 12:10:16 GMT
As the largest single employer in SoT, and the family that saved our club and brought us to the Premier League, I am grateful we have loyal (and very wealthy) owners. It seems to me they manage their wealth sensibly and with a local emphasis. They also allowed my Glory Hunter book (raising money for the Macari Centre) to be in sold in the Club Shop at the Ground competing against their own products. It's sat next to Huddy's book. Attachment Deleted
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Post by rawli on Nov 14, 2017 13:01:19 GMT
As the largest single employer in SoT, and the family that saved our club and brought us to the Premier League, I am grateful we have loyal (and very wealthy) owners. It seems to me they manage their wealth sensibly and with a local emphasis. They also allowed my Glory Hunter book (raising money for the Macari Centre) to be in sold in the Club Shop at the Ground competing against their own products. It's sat next to Huddy's book. View AttachmentSaved it from the mess he'd in a large part created.
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Post by chigstoke on Nov 14, 2017 13:12:48 GMT
"I'm not saying I'm a shrinking violet. I'm not. I've been bossy all my life. It's just I very much enjoy actually running the business." MSN articalshe earned more than taylor swift last year too I know someone who works for Bet365, he can confirm she is very bossy, not someone you want to disturb when working or you'll face her wrath
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 14, 2017 13:45:53 GMT
"I'm not saying I'm a shrinking violet. I'm not. I've been bossy all my life. It's just I very much enjoy actually running the business." MSN articalshe earned more than taylor swift last year too I know someone who works for Bet365, he can confirm she is very bossy, not someone you want to disturb when working or you'll face her wrath A good business man/women is one who can be strict bossy but also listen to what those around them advise, don't surround themselves with yes people and if they treat and speak to all the employees the same from the cleaner to the top bosses they deserve all the success.. You have to remember treat those around you with respect and courtesy on the way up as you might meet them again on the way down. Each year when I was Head of department (teaching)I used to get all a Christmas present (quality streets) from cleaners, to caretakers and workers under me. It was only a little thing but was appreciated. I gave but never expected anything in return It was my way of saying thanks. If any of you are in a management position think about this and surprise your workers you will benefit next year from the atmosphere you create. we also did coffee each day and cakes at times good way to find out what's going on and create a good atmosphere. had a coffee pot in my office and anyone was welcome to drop in and get a cup.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Nov 14, 2017 14:03:04 GMT
Seems like the £200 million is fake news, Denise pay was £199,305,000, a whopping £695,000 shy of the reported figure! I wonder what the tax on that £199,305,000 is £89.6m of income tax Plus some NI (which is a tax in all but name)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 14:33:29 GMT
"I'm not saying I'm a shrinking violet. I'm not. I've been bossy all my life. It's just I very much enjoy actually running the business." MSN articalshe earned more than taylor swift last year too I know someone who works for Bet365, he can confirm she is very bossy, not someone you want to disturb when working or you'll face her wrath So....very wealthy, but an arsehole.
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