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Post by skemstokie on Jan 31, 2017 15:43:21 GMT
He had a purple patch. Either side of that he's been poor. That's average. After 88,844 posts how the hell do you manage to keep on and on talking bollox? Real truth is that Allen has been immense and by far the best of the 'big money' signings. Practice makes perfect  |
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 31, 2017 15:51:06 GMT
He should start tomorrow night If the manager who bought him has faith in him he will, we can not afford to have our record signing sitting on his arse contributing feck all to our club. |
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Post by mrred on Jan 31, 2017 16:27:20 GMT
That Wolves performance was enough to make me vomit.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 31, 2017 18:42:28 GMT
After 88,844 posts how the hell do you manage to keep on and on talking bollox? Real truth is that Allen has been immense and by far the best of the 'big money' signings. He was never needed and his signing has forced our best attacking midfielder out the club. He's been a poor signing. Allen playing well caused Bojan to duck out of tackles, not take the opportunities he was given and throw his toys out of the pram when he wasn't automatic first choice? From the outset you were saying Allen was "not needed" (without ever bothering to explain what that actually means). He's gone on to be our best signing of the summer and for not living down to your predetermined expectations you blame him for someone else not living up to their potential? Hughes has consistently picked players on merit. It's not Allen's fault he's shown himself to be more worthy of a place in the team. If Bojan had lived up to his potential he would have been picked ahead of Allen - he's technically a far better player. Push came to shove and he didn't perform and hadn't got the balls to fight for his place in the starting 11. By contrast after the Wolves debacle Imbula put his hand up and admitted he needed to apply himself in order to get back in the team and stated he was prepared to fight for his place. Whether he does remains to be seen - but that's what I want to see from the players on the bench. Far better than someone expecting a place in the team based on reputation. I really don't think Imbula has an attitude problem. If anything its footballing intelligence - he's got the ability, its how to apply it to the best effect on the pitch that's the issue. If he demonstrates he's prepared to learn and shows that he has I'm sure Hughes will be prepared to give him the chance to earn his place in the team and put pressure on the starting 11 by what he does on the pitch - rather than get "his people" to "have a word". Which is exactly how it should be. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 31, 2017 18:46:09 GMT
He was never needed and his signing has forced our best attacking midfielder out the club. He's been a poor signing. Allen playing well caused Bojan to duck out of tackles, not take the opportunities he was given and throw his toys out of the pram when he wasn't automatic first choice? From the outset you were saying Allen was "not needed" (without ever bothering to explain what that actually means). He's gone on to be our best signing of the summer and for not living down to your predetermined expectations you blame him for someone else not living up to their potential? Hughes has consistently picked players on merit. It's not Allen's fault he's shown himself to be more worthy of a place in the team. If Bojan had lived up to his potential he would have been picked ahead of Allen - he's technically a far better player. Push came to shove and he didn't perform and hadn't got the balls to fight for his place in the starting 11. By contrast after the Wolves debacle Imbula put his hand up and admitted he needed to apply himself in order to get back in the team and stated he was prepared to fight for his place. Whether he does remains to be seen - but that's what I want to see from the players on the bench. Far better than someone expecting a place in the team based on reputation. I really don't think Imbula has an attitude problem. If anything its footballing intelligence - he's got the ability, its how to apply it to the best effect on the pitch that's the issue. If he demonstrates he's prepared to learn and shows that he has I'm sure Hughes will be prepared to give him the chance to earn his place in the team and put pressure on the starting 11 by what he does on the pitch - rather than get "his people" to "have a word". Which is exactly how it should be. It's got nothing to do with that. As soon as Allen signed it was likely Bojan would leave, it has nothing to do with how Bojan has played. I don't think Imbula has an attitude problem either, he's just got massive flaws in his game. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 31, 2017 19:03:39 GMT
Allen playing well caused Bojan to duck out of tackles, not take the opportunities he was given and throw his toys out of the pram when he wasn't automatic first choice? From the outset you were saying Allen was "not needed" (without ever bothering to explain what that actually means). He's gone on to be our best signing of the summer and for not living down to your predetermined expectations you blame him for someone else not living up to their potential? Hughes has consistently picked players on merit. It's not Allen's fault he's shown himself to be more worthy of a place in the team. If Bojan had lived up to his potential he would have been picked ahead of Allen - he's technically a far better player. Push came to shove and he didn't perform and hadn't got the balls to fight for his place in the starting 11. By contrast after the Wolves debacle Imbula put his hand up and admitted he needed to apply himself in order to get back in the team and stated he was prepared to fight for his place. Whether he does remains to be seen - but that's what I want to see from the players on the bench. Far better than someone expecting a place in the team based on reputation. I really don't think Imbula has an attitude problem. If anything its footballing intelligence - he's got the ability, its how to apply it to the best effect on the pitch that's the issue. If he demonstrates he's prepared to learn and shows that he has I'm sure Hughes will be prepared to give him the chance to earn his place in the team and put pressure on the starting 11 by what he does on the pitch - rather than get "his people" to "have a word". Which is exactly how it should be. It's got nothing to do with that. As soon as Allen signed it was likely Bojan would leave, it has nothing to do with how Bojan has played. I don't think Imbula has an attitude problem either, he's just got massive flaws in his game. Why was it likely Bojan would leave when Allen signed? I don't think anyone thought he would play in the no 10 role - and early doors he didn't. Bojan played at no 10 in the first few games and didn't contribute. Allen was subsequently tried at no 10 and played well. Even if Allen was bought in to complete with Bojan at no 10 (which he wasn't) why would this mean he had to leave - unless he isn't happy when his position in the team is put under pressure by players on the bench. If that is the case Bojan is the one with the attitude problem - every player should expect to have competition on the bench and expect to be replaced if someone performs better. I think this is something Hughes has tried to establish in the squad and the only one who doesn't seem to have accepted this is Bojan. I think we agree on Imbula - he does have flaws in his game. The question for me is whether he is willing and able to correct the flaws. At least he has accepted he has flaws - it remains to be seen whether he can address them. |
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Post by djduncanjames on Jan 31, 2017 19:09:19 GMT
It's got nothing to do with that. As soon as Allen signed it was likely Bojan would leave, it has nothing to do with how Bojan has played. I don't think Imbula has an attitude problem either, he's just got massive flaws in his game. Why was it likely Bojan would leave when Allen signed? I don't think anyone thought he would play in the no 10 role - and early doors he didn't. Bojan played at no 10 in the first few games and didn't contribute. Allen was subsequently tried at no 10 and played well. Even if Allen was bought in to complete with Bojan at no 10 (which he wasn't) why would this mean he had to leave - unless he isn't happy when his position in the team is put under pressure by players on the bench. If that is the case Bojan is the one with the attitude problem - every player should expect to have competition on the bench and expect to be replaced if someone performs better. I think this is something Hughes has tried to establish in the squad and the only one who doesn't seem to have accepted this is Bojan. I think we agree on Imbula - he does have flaws in his game. The question for me is whether he is willing and able to correct the flaws. At least he has accepted he has flaws - it remains to be seen whether he can address them. Nzonzi was hard as nails. I think Imbula needs a bit of that fight in him to succeed here. Not sure if that is coachable? |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 31, 2017 19:22:00 GMT
Why was it likely Bojan would leave when Allen signed? I don't think anyone thought he would play in the no 10 role - and early doors he didn't. Bojan played at no 10 in the first few games and didn't contribute. Allen was subsequently tried at no 10 and played well. Even if Allen was bought in to complete with Bojan at no 10 (which he wasn't) why would this mean he had to leave - unless he isn't happy when his position in the team is put under pressure by players on the bench. If that is the case Bojan is the one with the attitude problem - every player should expect to have competition on the bench and expect to be replaced if someone performs better. I think this is something Hughes has tried to establish in the squad and the only one who doesn't seem to have accepted this is Bojan. I think we agree on Imbula - he does have flaws in his game. The question for me is whether he is willing and able to correct the flaws. At least he has accepted he has flaws - it remains to be seen whether he can address them. Nzonzi was hard as nails. I think Imbula needs a bit of that fight in him to succeed here. Not sure if that is coachable? I think you can coach how to make the best use of your physical attributes - and for a big lad Imbula doesn't do that well at the moment whereas Nzonzi knew how to use his physical presence. What is harder to coach is that mental "edge" (the thing that brings the best and worst of Charlie Adam). To be fair Charlie has learned to hold back a bit - shame he can't give the spare edge to Imbula. I think you are right - he needs that in his game. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 31, 2017 19:35:54 GMT
It's got nothing to do with that. As soon as Allen signed it was likely Bojan would leave, it has nothing to do with how Bojan has played. I don't think Imbula has an attitude problem either, he's just got massive flaws in his game. Why was it likely Bojan would leave when Allen signed? I don't think anyone thought he would play in the no 10 role - and early doors he didn't. Bojan played at no 10 in the first few games and didn't contribute. Allen was subsequently tried at no 10 and played well. Even if Allen was bought in to complete with Bojan at no 10 (which he wasn't) why would this mean he had to leave - unless he isn't happy when his position in the team is put under pressure by players on the bench. If that is the case Bojan is the one with the attitude problem - every player should expect to have competition on the bench and expect to be replaced if someone performs better. I think this is something Hughes has tried to establish in the squad and the only one who doesn't seem to have accepted this is Bojan. I think we agree on Imbula - he does have flaws in his game. The question for me is whether he is willing and able to correct the flaws. At least he has accepted he has flaws - it remains to be seen whether he can address them. No but you could predict it would mean the end of Bojan; oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/259021/where-allen-play?page=3 |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 31, 2017 19:38:46 GMT
Why was it likely Bojan would leave when Allen signed? I don't think anyone thought he would play in the no 10 role - and early doors he didn't. Bojan played at no 10 in the first few games and didn't contribute. Allen was subsequently tried at no 10 and played well. Even if Allen was bought in to complete with Bojan at no 10 (which he wasn't) why would this mean he had to leave - unless he isn't happy when his position in the team is put under pressure by players on the bench. If that is the case Bojan is the one with the attitude problem - every player should expect to have competition on the bench and expect to be replaced if someone performs better. I think this is something Hughes has tried to establish in the squad and the only one who doesn't seem to have accepted this is Bojan. I think we agree on Imbula - he does have flaws in his game. The question for me is whether he is willing and able to correct the flaws. At least he has accepted he has flaws - it remains to be seen whether he can address them. No but you could predict it would mean the end of Bojan; oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/259021/where-allen-play?page=3I can tell you never ever predicted anything right because that's got to be the tenth time you've posted that. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 31, 2017 19:45:14 GMT
I can tell you never ever predict anything right because that's got to be the tenth time you've posted that. No, people keep "you could never see that coming", well yeah you could. No get back to your hole like a good boy! |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 31, 2017 19:48:32 GMT
I can tell you never ever predict anything right because that's got to be the tenth time you've posted that. No, people keep "you could never see that coming", well yeah you could. No get back to your hole like a good boy! You're like a broken record. I'm going nowhere doughboy, a bit like your life. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 31, 2017 19:49:41 GMT
No, people keep "you could never see that coming", well yeah you could. No get back to your hole like a good boy! You're like a broken record. I'm going nowhere doughboy, a bit like your life.  You really are spiteful, I love it. |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 31, 2017 19:51:23 GMT
You're like a broken record. I'm going nowhere doughboy, a bit like your life. You really are spiteful, I love it. Spiteful? Don't cry bayern, your nearly 90000 posts prove you 'don't care'. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 31, 2017 19:56:12 GMT
some bollocks on this thread
Allen was bought to play with Bojan to provide passes into him . It was only our pathetic start and Allen notching a couple that saw him move forward
Bojan and Imbula are clearly not playing to the standerd required , Bojan has a long contract and a few months loan might sharpen him up .
Imbula has the talent but a shit attitude its obvious and only he can sport that out , you cant stroll about in the middle of midfield in this league
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 31, 2017 19:59:20 GMT
some bollocks on this thread Allen was bought to play with Bojan to provide passes into him . It was only our pathetic start and Allen notching a couple that saw him move forward Bojan and Imbula are clearly not playing to the standerd required , Bojan has a long contract and a few months loan might sharpen him up . Imbula has the talent but a shit attitude its obvious and only he can sport that out , you cant stroll about in the middle of midfield in this league We were crap defensively and had no midfield ie Allen deeper and Bojan got the blame. The Palace game being the killer and Allen was one of the worst players in that game. Bojan has been the fall guy for something that's not really his job. It's laughable. |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Feb 1, 2017 8:57:19 GMT
Happy one year Anniversary as a Stoke player, Gilbert. May there be many, many more!
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 1, 2017 8:59:22 GMT
Happy one year Anniversary as a Stoke player, Gilbert. May there be many, many more! But just not like the last one... |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 1, 2017 11:00:01 GMT
Why was it likely Bojan would leave when Allen signed? I don't think anyone thought he would play in the no 10 role - and early doors he didn't. Bojan played at no 10 in the first few games and didn't contribute. Allen was subsequently tried at no 10 and played well. Even if Allen was bought in to complete with Bojan at no 10 (which he wasn't) why would this mean he had to leave - unless he isn't happy when his position in the team is put under pressure by players on the bench. If that is the case Bojan is the one with the attitude problem - every player should expect to have competition on the bench and expect to be replaced if someone performs better. I think this is something Hughes has tried to establish in the squad and the only one who doesn't seem to have accepted this is Bojan. I think we agree on Imbula - he does have flaws in his game. The question for me is whether he is willing and able to correct the flaws. At least he has accepted he has flaws - it remains to be seen whether he can address them. No but you could predict it would mean the end of Bojan; oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/259021/where-allen-play?page=3You stated that it would be the end of Bojan because we'd go 433. Early on we didn't - we played Allen and Imbula behind Bojan so there is no justification in saying that Allen was brought in to change the formation. Allen played well and Bojan didn't - you can't blame Allen for displacing Bojan. The reason Bojan was dropped was everything to do with Bojan and nothing to do with Allen. In the same thread you also stated that Hughes would not drop Imbula - which was also way off the mark. I'm sorry but you are re-writing history to support a completely wrong analysis of the situation. You predicated Bojan would be displaced but your rationale was way off the mark. Bojan was displaced because he didn't live up to his potential and rather than fight for his place he sent his people round to demand more appearances. Imbula, to be fair, has stated that he needs to work on his game and is prepared to fight for a return to the starting eleven. Allen in the meantime has continued to play well and is a candidate for our player of the season. I'm sorry but you have this habit of making a judgement and refuse to accept that you are wrong - even when the evidence is stacked against you. Opinions are fine - and we all get things wrong. You would have far more credibility on here if you admit you've got it wrong when its perfectly clear you are way off the mark. Man in hole filling with water should first put down his spade. Go on - give it a go. Admit you're wrong. Its quite liberating. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 11:04:38 GMT
I can tell you never ever predicted anything right because that's got to be the tenth time you've posted that. Hahaha, brilliant. |
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