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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 11:29:06 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 20, 2017 11:37:56 GMT
Good for him, easy to sit and sulk and take the money. At least he is aware its not good enough Agreed - perhaps its not an attitude problem and more to do with the difficulty in adjusting to the demands of the Premier league. I'm pretty sure there were some tough conversations had with several players after the Wolves game. If this is Imbula's reaction credit where its due - and maybe that's why he made the bench at Sunderland. I'd far rather have a squad of players who recognise they have to work for a place in the starting 11 than a group of players who believe they are owed a place based on reputation or transfer value. If Hughes has got this message over to the squad all to the good and maybe the Wolves debacle has a silver lining.
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Post by jarhead on Jan 20, 2017 11:43:54 GMT
Good for him, easy to sit and sulk and take the money. At least he is aware its not good enough Agreed - perhaps its not an attitude problem and more to do with the difficulty in adjusting to the demands of the Premier league. I'm pretty sure there were some tough conversations had with several players after the Wolves game. If this is Imbula's reaction credit where its due - and maybe that's why he made the bench at Sunderland. I'd far rather have a squad of players who recognise they have to work for a place in the starting 11 than a group of players who believe they are owed a place based on reputation or transfer value. If Hughes has got this message over to the squad all to the good and maybe the Wolves debacle has a silver lining. Yeah agree and the response at Sunderland was just what the doctor Ordered. I thought Hughes had lost the dressing room though I kept reading from the experts on here. ? Wankers
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 11:46:47 GMT
He doesn't lack ability, but his awareness is shocking. He wanders out of position too often leaving us more open than a prostitutes legs. He reminds me of when kids play football and they all chase after the ball at once, sometimes he sees the ball and just runs towards it and leaving his man free. I don't mind him trying to go past a player, because he is more than capable of doing it. It just bothers me he does on the edge of the 18 yard box. I do love the way he passes the ball though, must be one of the smoothest strokes you will ever see, sometimes beautiful to watch. He could do with 6 months with pulis drilling his role into his head until it becomes 2nd nature.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jan 20, 2017 11:53:44 GMT
I'm just amazed that we would dish out such a HUGE amount of money for a player with such glaring limitations.
Surely SOMEONE from the club watched him, like loads of times, before paying that massive transfer fee?
I ask myself why we would sign such a player in today's Premier League climate of work, work, work and mark, mark, mark.
Coach him to do things he isn't currently doing and we just could have a player on our hands. If not, his transfer fee may just become an integral part of MLH's tombstone!
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Post by upthefud on Jan 20, 2017 11:55:12 GMT
I hope we're actively trying to offload him
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 12:01:32 GMT
Class player, just seems like he's not quite up to scratch with the mental side of the game. I have a feeling that at the minute, he needs to be part of a midfield where he's protected, and allowed to roam as he pleases. Which is not often a particularly viable option in the premier league. If we can teach him to recognise whats happening around him in game, he could be a brilliant player.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 20, 2017 12:01:59 GMT
I'm just amazed that we would dish out such a HUGE amount of money for a player with such glaring limitations. Surely SOMEONE from the club watched him, like loads of times, before paying that massive transfer fee? I ask myself why we would sign such a player in today's Premier League climate of work, work, work and mark, mark, mark. Coach him to do things he isn't currently doing and we just could have a player on our hands. If not, his transfer fee may just become an integral part of MLH's tombstone! £18 million we could have bought a proper striker for that much, add £6 million for Joselu would have given us £24 million, two wage's instead of one it makes no sense Bowen has publically stated the Hughes scouted Imbula when we played them in a friendly, maybe that is why he is persisting with him in the match squad.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jan 20, 2017 12:02:27 GMT
I hope we're actively trying to offload him To whom?? No current Premier League club is even going to consider a player with such current limitations. And he'll be sitting on a pretty lucrative contract at Stoke, so sorry the lads going nowhere leaving it up to us to sort him out.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 20, 2017 12:03:50 GMT
Class player, just seems like he's not quite up to scratch with the mental side of the game. I have a feeling that at the minute, he needs to be part of a midfield where he's protected, and allowed to roam as he pleases. Which is not often a particularly viable option in the premier league. If we can teach him to recognise whats happening around him in game, he could be a brilliant player. In the last twelve months he appears to have learned the square root of fuck all about Premiership football, hopefully you are right but I have serious doubts he even wants to learn.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 12:07:40 GMT
Class player, just seems like he's not quite up to scratch with the mental side of the game. I have a feeling that at the minute, he needs to be part of a midfield where he's protected, and allowed to roam as he pleases. Which is not often a particularly viable option in the premier league. If we can teach him to recognise whats happening around him in game, he could be a brilliant player. In the last twelve months he appears to have learned the square root of fuck all about Premiership football, hopefully you are right but I have serious doubts he even wants to learn. I agree, having watched back his games just after he signed, he seemed to be doing the hard work then, which is worrying. Almost like he believes he's not good enough, or that he's bound to fuck up.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 20, 2017 13:11:46 GMT
Class player, just seems like he's not quite up to scratch with the mental side of the game. I have a feeling that at the minute, he needs to be part of a midfield where he's protected, and allowed to roam as he pleases. Which is not often a particularly viable option in the premier league. If we can teach him to recognise whats happening around him in game, he could be a brilliant player. In the last twelve months he appears to have learned the square root of fuck all about Premiership football, hopefully you are right but I have serious doubts he even wants to learn. I agree he's got a lot to learn about premiership football but in the aftermath of the Wolves game if he showed any signs of not wanting to learn I don't think he would have made the bench at Sunderland. I really believe Hughes has sorted out those who wanted to earn their place in the side from those that think they are owed a place in the side. Going back to the title of the thread if what he said about wanting to work his way back in the side is true then it isn't an attitude issue - its a problem of application. Whether he can apply himself remains to be seen - but credit where its due if he did have a long hard look at himself and has accepted that he has to work to get back into the side then we do not have a player with an attitude problem on our books.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 20, 2017 13:38:50 GMT
Needs to grow a pair more like
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 20, 2017 13:42:22 GMT
Fair play to him. He's shown enough in bits to see there's a player there. He just needs to work harder on his defensive awareness.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 20, 2017 15:02:24 GMT
Needs to grow a pair more like Send him on loan to Bury or the like for three months, if that doesn't harden the soft lad up and change his attitude nothing will.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 20, 2017 15:33:34 GMT
i predict imbula will play in barcelona or real one day.... And the same culprits will be slagging the club for letting him leave for next to nothing. I bet that Imbula will be player of the season next year if he stays.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 20, 2017 15:37:01 GMT
i predict imbula will play in barcelona or real one day.... You really are a stuck cuckoo clock. Find something better to do with your time. Like counting blood money from despot regimes, money laundering, profiting from arms deals or giving refuge to global criminals. Stone the guy! He likes a Stoke player! C'mon it's not a crime to wish a Stoke player succeeds. I also see tremendous potential and I believe that someone, hopefully Stoke, will someday unlock that potential.
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Post by Gods on Jan 20, 2017 15:41:13 GMT
I hope we're actively trying to offload him To whom?? No current Premier League club is even going to consider a player with such current limitations. And he'll be sitting on a pretty lucrative contract at Stoke, so sorry the lads going nowhere leaving it up to us to sort him out. Correct, not a chance of shifting him, not even worth trying, he is here for the remainder of his contract which is 5 more long years! Whether it is possible to tease any meaningful action out of him in that time I don't know but someone is going to have to try.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 20, 2017 15:51:17 GMT
When he first came he oozed class and was able to run the show. No doubting his ability.
But fuck me, the fact he makes Shaqiri look like a hard-worker then theres a major problem
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Post by foster on Jan 20, 2017 16:43:31 GMT
Not sure what the issue here is? We have a lot of competition in the central area of midfield (Allen, Adam, Affelay, Whelan, Bojan, etc.) and he's taking time to adjust. Providing Hughes picks the most in form players I don't really care if it includes Imbula or lot.
He signed a long term contract and he still has time to learn the English game. He certainly has potential.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 17:01:07 GMT
Fact is nobody on here knows what Imbula's "attitude" is. Just a bunch of old guys fantasizing about "old football" and relatable players that they never actually knew. I have the highest hopes for him and wish the sewing circle on here would stop the gossip and bullshittery.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 20, 2017 17:08:45 GMT
If Imbula proves to be a mistake, OK it's a mistake, so let's move on. There are plenty of mistakes made by the big clubs for a lot more money, Rogers spent >£300m at Liverpool. If we are to be in the top table with the big boys, we can expect to make expensive mistakes. and it's not our money anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 17:40:38 GMT
If Imbula proves to be a mistake, OK it's a mistake, so let's move on. There are plenty of mistakes made by the big clubs for a lot more money, Rogers spent >£300m at Liverpool. If we are to be in the top table with the big boys, we can expect to make expensive mistakes. and it's not our money anyway. Fully agreed! All of this hemming and hawing is just shameful and silly.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 20, 2017 18:09:41 GMT
I'm just amazed that we would dish out such a HUGE amount of money for a player with such glaring limitations. Surely SOMEONE from the club watched him, like loads of times, before paying that massive transfer fee? I ask myself why we would sign such a player in today's Premier League climate of work, work, work and mark, mark, mark. Coach him to do things he isn't currently doing and we just could have a player on our hands. If not, his transfer fee may just become an integral part of MLH's tombstone! It took me about 10 minutes on the internet to learn that he was a flop at Porto because he does not track back, he only has one foot and he can't tackle. I know you can't believe everything you read in the papers but this is ridiculous, especially considering the difference in standard between the Portuguese league and the Premier League. Since then we discovered all that was true plus his positional sense is poor and he is easily dispossessed.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 20, 2017 19:47:17 GMT
I'm just amazed that we would dish out such a HUGE amount of money for a player with such glaring limitations. Surely SOMEONE from the club watched him, like loads of times, before paying that massive transfer fee? I ask myself why we would sign such a player in today's Premier League climate of work, work, work and mark, mark, mark. Coach him to do things he isn't currently doing and we just could have a player on our hands. If not, his transfer fee may just become an integral part of MLH's tombstone! It took me about 10 minutes on the internet to learn that he was a flop at Porto because he does not track back, he only has one foot and he can't tackle. I know you can't believe everything you read in the papers but this is ridiculous, especially considering the difference in standard between the Portuguese league and the Premier League. Since then we discovered all that was true plus his positional sense is poor and he is easily dispossessed. Has anyone ever been taught to track back or tackle? He has some good talent. I believe the management team did more than a 10 minute cursory search on the internet and a 90 minute game against us. I believe they have seen potential. Thank heavens, they have a better approach than some of those on here. "Crud, he's not the finished article, let's see if we can trick someone into buying him for 10 quid".
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 20, 2017 19:58:09 GMT
So now he's going to start working hard. What the fuck has he been doing for the past year then?! He's clearly got ability but let's say my hopes aren't very high for this seemingly road to Damascus conversion he's just had.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jan 20, 2017 20:03:40 GMT
Let's hope he does pull his socks up, take his gloves off and work bloody hard. He has technical ability by the bucket load, but is a "run forward, walk back" type player that rarely does well in the hurly burly of the English game. If he does want those Vieira comparisons to stick, he should watch some videos of how that guy became the rock on which his team was built. Hell, even check out how SNZ played in his last season at Stoke.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 20, 2017 21:26:41 GMT
Let's hope he does pull his socks up, take his gloves off and work bloody hard. He has technical ability by the bucket load, but is a "run forward, walk back" type player that rarely does well in the hurly burly of the English game. If he does want those Vieira comparisons to stick, he should watch some videos of how that guy became the rock on which his team was built. Hell, even check out how SNZ played in his last season at Stoke. And let's be sure not to show him the SNZ videos from his first season!
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 20, 2017 21:41:50 GMT
It took me about 10 minutes on the internet to learn that he was a flop at Porto because he does not track back, he only has one foot and he can't tackle. I know you can't believe everything you read in the papers but this is ridiculous, especially considering the difference in standard between the Portuguese league and the Premier League. Since then we discovered all that was true plus his positional sense is poor and he is easily dispossessed. Has anyone ever been taught to track back or tackle? He has some good talent. I believe the management team did more than a 10 minute cursory search on the internet and a 90 minute game against us. I believe they have seen potential. Thank heavens, they have a better approach than some of those on here. "Crud, he's not the finished article, let's see if we can trick someone into buying him for 10 quid". You would certainly hope that was the case, not sure he is cut out to be a an £18million footballer if he has only just admitted that he needs to work harder, he has been a passenger for the best part of twelve months. A professional footballer should not need to be taught to be a team player it should be a natural instinct, you would have to question our coaching staff if that is really all that is missing from his game, I fear it is an attitude problem rather than anything football related.
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Jan 20, 2017 21:54:03 GMT
This guy is a top drawer player. Give him a more mobile defensive midfield partner so when he goes on one of his surges forward there is ample cover for him. Whelan just struggles to get about the pitch enough. Schneiderlin would have been the dream signing personally. Ignacio Camacho is a decent backup option. Stick him in and imbula will shine. Player of the year next season.
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