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Post by superheroantonius on Jan 31, 2017 9:51:31 GMT
I agree imbulas signing asks some question of our transfer team
It was obviously mistake
I guess they need to get more right than wrong
On that note, another big punt on berahino.. So lets see! .. I think by may we should get a feel on how that one is looking!
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Post by slpmarc on Jan 31, 2017 9:57:21 GMT
As far As I am aware we won't be loaning out Imbula.
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Post by philb on Jan 31, 2017 9:59:16 GMT
As far As I am aware we won't be loaning out Imbula. Selling him then? 😜
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 31, 2017 10:01:59 GMT
I agree imbulas signing asks some question of our transfer team It was obviously mistake I guess they need to get more right than wrong On that note, another big punt on berahino.. So lets see! .. I think by may we should get a feel on how that one is looking! In our recent history (ie the Premier League) our best signings have been the ones who cost feck all. Imbula is set for flopping. Shaq has been good but not as good as we were hoping. Allen has been average. Crouch like Allen people will say has been good but he replaced a more mobile player and it signalled a change in style and a more dull brand of football. He like Allen was never really needed. Diouf was going to be big money and it hasn't really worked out.
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Post by VolvicStokie on Jan 31, 2017 10:15:20 GMT
No No no, and no again.
Imbula is a monster, he has to stay put, work hard to g et his place back. Effectively, he has to dislodge Adam (which surely is only a matter of time), and when he does we'll have one hell of a player.
Surely, 18.3 Million quid, our record signing, wont just be given up on after 12 months? Piss poor management if so
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Post by edaboagenawo on Jan 31, 2017 10:31:03 GMT
No No no, and no again. Imbula is a monster, he has to stay put, work hard to g et his place back. Effectively, he has to dislodge Adam (which surely is only a matter of time), and when he does we'll have one hell of a player. Surely, 18.3 Million quid, our record signing, wont just be given up on after 12 months? Piss poor management if so If you want a private even money 50 quid bet on Imbula coming good and keeping his place in the team. You're on with me.
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Post by medwaypotter on Jan 31, 2017 10:57:06 GMT
I agree imbulas signing asks some question of our transfer team It was obviously mistake I guess they need to get more right than wrong On that note, another big punt on berahino.. So lets see! .. I think by may we should get a feel on how that one is looking! In our recent history (ie the Premier League) our best signings have been the ones who cost feck all. Imbula is set for flopping. Shaq has been good but not as good as we were hoping. Allen has been average. Crouch like Allen people will say has been good but he replaced a more mobile player and it signalled a change in style and a more dull brand of football. He like Allen was never really needed. Diouf was going to be big money and it hasn't really worked out. "Allen has been average.", 5 from midfield in his first half of a season isn't average, plonker.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 31, 2017 11:02:16 GMT
In our recent history (ie the Premier League) our best signings have been the ones who cost feck all. Imbula is set for flopping. Shaq has been good but not as good as we were hoping. Allen has been average. Crouch like Allen people will say has been good but he replaced a more mobile player and it signalled a change in style and a more dull brand of football. He like Allen was never really needed. Diouf was going to be big money and it hasn't really worked out. "Allen has been average.", 5 from midfield in his first half of a season isn't average, plonker. He had a purple patch. Either side of that he's been poor. That's average.
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Post by cooper67 on Jan 31, 2017 11:07:43 GMT
To be truthful Allen has been a bit of a let down for the last few matches.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jan 31, 2017 11:11:54 GMT
"Allen has been average.", 5 from midfield in his first half of a season isn't average, plonker. He had a purple patch. Either side of that he's been poor. That's average. After 88,844 posts how the hell do you manage to keep on and on talking bollox? Real truth is that Allen has been immense and by far the best of the 'big money' signings.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 31, 2017 11:12:13 GMT
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Post by medwaypotter on Jan 31, 2017 11:15:40 GMT
"Allen has been average.", 5 from midfield in his first half of a season isn't average, plonker. He had a purple patch. Either side of that he's been poor. That's average. I'd be happy with a few more average centre mids that score 10 a season in that case.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 31, 2017 11:18:53 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-reject-loan-offer-for-giannelli-imbula/story-30099377-detail/story.htmlGiannelli Imbula is poised to stay put at Stoke City for at least another transfer window after the club rejected a loan bid from Italian outfit Torino. The club would have considered a permanent offer for their record £18.3m signing, but made it clear to the Italians that a loan move was not in their interest. Only a successful and sustained return to the starting line-up between now and the end of the season will prevent Stoke seeking a buyer in the summer.
Pretty damning assessment of his future. Problem is who the hell can afford him?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 31, 2017 11:20:55 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-reject-loan-offer-for-giannelli-imbula/story-30099377-detail/story.htmlGiannelli Imbula is poised to stay put at Stoke City for at least another transfer window after the club rejected a loan bid from Italian outfit Torino. The club would have considered a permanent offer for their record £18.3m signing, but made it clear to the Italians that a loan move was not in their interest. Only a successful and sustained return to the starting line-up between now and the end of the season will prevent Stoke seeking a buyer in the summer.
Pretty damning assessment of his future. Problem is who the hell can afford him? China maybe?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 31, 2017 11:27:42 GMT
He had a purple patch. Either side of that he's been poor. That's average. After 88,844 posts how the hell do you manage to keep on and on talking bollox? Real truth is that Allen has been immense and by far the best of the 'big money' signings. He was never needed and his signing has forced our best attacking midfielder out the club. He's been a poor signing.
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Post by rmccarthy on Jan 31, 2017 11:29:04 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-reject-loan-offer-for-giannelli-imbula/story-30099377-detail/story.htmlGiannelli Imbula is poised to stay put at Stoke City for at least another transfer window after the club rejected a loan bid from Italian outfit Torino. The club would have considered a permanent offer for their record £18.3m signing, but made it clear to the Italians that a loan move was not in their interest. Only a successful and sustained return to the starting line-up between now and the end of the season will prevent Stoke seeking a buyer in the summer.
Pretty damning assessment of his future. Problem is who the hell can afford him? China maybe? He isn't as much of a star attraction than other names that have travelled there though.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 31, 2017 12:24:25 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-reject-loan-offer-for-giannelli-imbula/story-30099377-detail/story.htmlGiannelli Imbula is poised to stay put at Stoke City for at least another transfer window after the club rejected a loan bid from Italian outfit Torino. The club would have considered a permanent offer for their record £18.3m signing, but made it clear to the Italians that a loan move was not in their interest. Only a successful and sustained return to the starting line-up between now and the end of the season will prevent Stoke seeking a buyer in the summer.
Pretty damning assessment of his future. Problem is who the hell can afford him? I wonder what sort of figure they would have accepted?
And I thought it had warmed up a bit today ...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 12:30:23 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-reject-loan-offer-for-giannelli-imbula/story-30099377-detail/story.htmlGiannelli Imbula is poised to stay put at Stoke City for at least another transfer window after the club rejected a loan bid from Italian outfit Torino. The club would have considered a permanent offer for their record £18.3m signing, but made it clear to the Italians that a loan move was not in their interest. Only a successful and sustained return to the starting line-up between now and the end of the season will prevent Stoke seeking a buyer in the summer.
Pretty damning assessment of his future. Problem is who the hell can afford him? That's not up to him though is it? He's not been as bad as people make out this season and when he has shone he was dropped anyway. If he's never played, then he can't cement a place. It's all shit.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 31, 2017 12:33:52 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-reject-loan-offer-for-giannelli-imbula/story-30099377-detail/story.htmlGiannelli Imbula is poised to stay put at Stoke City for at least another transfer window after the club rejected a loan bid from Italian outfit Torino. The club would have considered a permanent offer for their record £18.3m signing, but made it clear to the Italians that a loan move was not in their interest. Only a successful and sustained return to the starting line-up between now and the end of the season will prevent Stoke seeking a buyer in the summer.
Pretty damning assessment of his future. Problem is who the hell can afford him? I wonder what sort of figure they would have accepted?
And I thought it had warmed up a bit today ...
God knows. How much of a loss are we prepared to take? Can only see Marseille as having the cash and possible interest in France. Doesn't look like they're bothered. There's obviously going to be no English interest. So selling a bloke with 4 years left on 70k-a-week is going to be bordering on impossible, you'd think?
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 31, 2017 12:46:48 GMT
I wonder what sort of figure they would have accepted?
And I thought it had warmed up a bit today ...
Poor Sod! Looks like he's being made to stand there and is about to wet himself. What a state he's in !
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jan 31, 2017 12:47:56 GMT
I still having given up on the lad...His performance against Boro on the opening day gives me hope..MOTM
Has anybody got a pic of him not wearing gloves?..Would appreciate it if you have.😉
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Post by roostershair on Jan 31, 2017 12:48:26 GMT
He's going to Sutton.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 31, 2017 12:48:42 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-reject-loan-offer-for-giannelli-imbula/story-30099377-detail/story.htmlGiannelli Imbula is poised to stay put at Stoke City for at least another transfer window after the club rejected a loan bid from Italian outfit Torino. The club would have considered a permanent offer for their record £18.3m signing, but made it clear to the Italians that a loan move was not in their interest. Only a successful and sustained return to the starting line-up between now and the end of the season will prevent Stoke seeking a buyer in the summer.
Pretty damning assessment of his future. Problem is who the hell can afford him? That's a two way street: even if Gianelli gets his head down, his head 'right' and hits peak 'selectability', LMH also has to be willing to actually play him and do so in a system that suits.
The (albeit limited) form he showed for us tells me he can do it and, if he does, be very, very good for us - so my hope would be that he does, big time.
But yes, the financials if it doesn't work out are horrendous.
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Post by baystokie on Jan 31, 2017 12:49:19 GMT
I wonder what sort of figure they would have accepted?
And I thought it had warmed up a bit today ...
God knows. How much of a loss are we prepared to take? Can only see Marseille as having the cash and possible interest in France. Doesn't look like they're bothered. There's obviously going to be no English interest. So selling a bloke with 4 years left on 70k-a-week is going to be bordering on impossible, you'd think? Is pessimism bred in all Stoke fans?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 31, 2017 12:51:45 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-reject-loan-offer-for-giannelli-imbula/story-30099377-detail/story.htmlGiannelli Imbula is poised to stay put at Stoke City for at least another transfer window after the club rejected a loan bid from Italian outfit Torino. The club would have considered a permanent offer for their record £18.3m signing, but made it clear to the Italians that a loan move was not in their interest. Only a successful and sustained return to the starting line-up between now and the end of the season will prevent Stoke seeking a buyer in the summer.
Pretty damning assessment of his future. Problem is who the hell can afford him? That's a two way street: even if Gianelli gets his head down, his head 'right' and hits peak 'selectability', LMH also has to be willing to actually play him and do so in a system that suits.
The (albeit limited) form he showed for us tells me he can do it and, if he does, be very, very good for us - so my hope would be that he does, big time.
But yes, the financials if it doesn't work out are horrendous.
Yeah - he's got buckets of talent. But looks as if Hughes is beginning to think (or, in fact has concluded beyond doubt) that his obvious flaws are not fixable. The fact we'd have been willing to sell him today certainly speaks to that.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 31, 2017 13:03:18 GMT
That's a two way street: even if Gianelli gets his head down, his head 'right' and hits peak 'selectability', LMH also has to be willing to actually play him and do so in a system that suits.
The (albeit limited) form he showed for us tells me he can do it and, if he does, be very, very good for us - so my hope would be that he does, big time.
But yes, the financials if it doesn't work out are horrendous.
Yeah - he's got buckets of talent. But looks as if Hughes is beginning to think (or, in fact has concluded beyond doubt) that his obvious flaws are not fixable. The fact we'd have been willing to sell him today certainly speaks to that. Possibly, but your "concluded" comment gets to the nub of it.
If LMH is truly 'there' in his thinking, then he won't ever trust him and, in reality, there is no way back in to earn, build on and cement a 1st team spot.
Therefore it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Worse, that only makes things worse as he'll have sat on his arris for ano 4 months possibly getting more sulky by the day (not that we've ever had any sulky French MF's obvs.) and, presumably, his value will drop even more.
In that respect, and given the surfeit of MF's we have, I don't think a loan to Italy would have been the end of the world tbh.
Either that, or Sparky has to relent and give him a pop at it for me.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Jan 31, 2017 13:03:36 GMT
I am still one of those who thinks he will come good.
We see it in flashes. Potentially he's got everything. In one of his first performances for us he absolutely ran the show - against Chelsea away.
He was winning the ball back, keeping possession, playing his passes and of course driving up the pitch taking opposition players out of the game.
He's still young and he's been here just a year. He arrived in a new country at 23. Hughes said when he signed we would have to be patient.
We have to give this lad time. It didn't work for him at Porto and like Bojan, he can't afford too many false starts. Likewise, MH and the transfer team could do without an £18m albatross around their necks. For Stoke City and Gianelli, this needs to work.
At some point he will get a run in the side. His confidence will improve, he'll get a better understanding of this league and his role. If he can crack that, he undoubtedly has the talent to be an absolute superstar.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 31, 2017 13:07:02 GMT
God knows. How much of a loss are we prepared to take? Can only see Marseille as having the cash and possible interest in France. Doesn't look like they're bothered. There's obviously going to be no English interest. So selling a bloke with 4 years left on 70k-a-week is going to be bordering on impossible, you'd think? Is pessimism bred in all Stoke fans?
It's more of a realistic observation, rather than blind pessimism though isn't it?
Spinks is suggesting that we were only interested in a permanent move rather than a loan, if that's the case (and considering all the financials), then don't you agree, that it would actually be very difficult to move him on?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 31, 2017 13:58:31 GMT
I don't remember any big competition/interest from other clubs when we signed him. He hasn't performed yet for Stoke, so can't see us taking anything but a serious hit here, either on wages out or a massive discount on the transfer fee (and even that's unlikely given his wages)
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 31, 2017 15:39:09 GMT
He should start tomorrow night
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