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Post by pottersrule on Sept 3, 2014 19:36:34 GMT
Chris Powell ex Charlton manager has got the vacant Huddersfield job.Don't know how that will sit with his racist paranoid agenda.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 19:42:11 GMT
If he was white, he'd have had one in both eyes!
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Post by jbstokie on Sept 3, 2014 19:48:25 GMT
"If Chris Powell was white he would have the Man Utd job."
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Sept 4, 2014 3:51:55 GMT
I don't think it takes anything away from what he has said before.
The hiring of one black manager does not mean that racism is a thing of the past. When those with the privilege of appointing understand that merit is not a reasonable explanation for why there are so many white coaches, then opportunities for people of color in coaching can improve.
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 4, 2014 5:06:08 GMT
I don't think it takes anything away from what he has said before. The hiring of one black manager does not mean that racism is a thing of the past. When those with the privilege of appointing understand that merit is not a reasonable explanation for why there are so many white coaches, then opportunities for people of color in coaching can improve. I'm sure that every club's interest is to hire a manager whom the club believes will be able to achieve success for the club - whether this means promotion, avoiding relegation, winning a cup etc depending on the club's potential. Now I am convinced that if a club believes that a particular person, who happens to be black, is the most suited as a manager, he will not be overlooked just coz he's black.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 4, 2014 6:16:19 GMT
I don't think it takes anything away from what he has said before. The hiring of one black manager does not mean that racism is a thing of the past. When those with the privilege of appointing understand that merit is not a reasonable explanation for why there are so many white coaches, then opportunities for people of color in coaching can improve. Bullshit cowboy, managers in football are appointed on their ability to do the job, ability above diversity as it should be in our country , Sol Campbell is a bigoted clown no matter what colour he is.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Sept 4, 2014 6:50:09 GMT
I don't think it takes anything away from what he has said before. The hiring of one black manager does not mean that racism is a thing of the past. When those with the privilege of appointing understand that merit is not a reasonable explanation for why there are so many white coaches, then opportunities for people of color in coaching can improve. Bullshit cowboy, managers in football are appointed on their ability to do the job, ability above diversity as it should be in our country , Sol Campbell is a bigoted clown no matter what colour he is. Managers are not hired on ability alone, they are hired on perceived ability. Which would include any confirmed or unconfirmed bias. And would explain why they aren't all good. I apologize for my spelling of colour.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Sept 4, 2014 6:52:06 GMT
I don't think it takes anything away from what he has said before. The hiring of one black manager does not mean that racism is a thing of the past. When those with the privilege of appointing understand that merit is not a reasonable explanation for why there are so many white coaches, then opportunities for people of color in coaching can improve. I'm sure that every club's interest is to hire a manager whom the club believes will be able to achieve success for the club - whether this means promotion, avoiding relegation, winning a cup etc depending on the club's potential. Now I am convinced that if a club believes that a particular person, who happens to be black, is the most suited as a manager, he will not be overlooked just coz he's black. I think there is a clear problem with opportunity for black managers, and that's not to say that there aren't people trying to change things. The problem is that the those who have systemic power are the ones who make the decision to hire or not, and though they may not outwardly dismiss black candidates for being black, they do disproportionately hire more whites. Which proves a correlation between the whiteness of one's skin and their likelihood of being hired. Now, a correlation is not enough to prove causation, so the point I'm making is not that some owner is bigoted enough to say "no black coaches for me..." I'm saying the oversimplification of a preferential choice as being wholly based on merit stands in the way of granting fair opportunity to all.
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Post by AlliG on Sept 4, 2014 6:56:22 GMT
I'm sorry but anyone who thinks that having now having 1 black manager out of 92 proves that there isn't a problem in football is burying their head in the sand.
Sol Campbell might be an idiot but the point he makes is valid.
Considering the number of black players in England over the last 25 years, we should by now have a significant number of non-white coaches and managers.
I am old enough to remember all the excuses why black players couldn't play in various positions (all hidden behind the "if they were good enough" arguments) all of which of course were completely spurious.
How many clubs have a proper interview process when the same tired old names just keep turning up in job after job?
How many black players don't even bother applying because they know they won't even get an interview?
I keep hearing that we can't compare Football to the NFL, yet, they had similar arguments against black Quarterbacks & Coaches (when I first started watching there were none of either) and yet now, because of the changes in their rules there are a significant number of both who are black.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 4, 2014 7:09:05 GMT
I'd like to see some statistics on the number of applications made by black managers. It can't be very high at all otherwise I'm convinced there would be more black managers in this country. In the last ten years we've had Paul Ince, Leroy Rosenoir Keith Alexander and Chris Powell, have I missed anyone?
So four black managers in the last ten years, until I see some statistics on the number of black applications compared to white applications I refuse to believe that skin colour plays any part in a chairmans decision making.
Maybe it's just a coincidence the vast majority of black players don't fancy management. I'm pretty certain there is a decent number of black coaches working in the football league and premier league.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 4, 2014 7:10:07 GMT
I'm sorry but anyone who thinks that having now having 1 black manager out of 92 proves that there isn't a problem in football is burying their head in the sand. Sol Campbell might be an idiot but the point he makes is valid. Considering the number of black players in England over the last 25 years, we should by now have a significant number of non-white coaches and managers. I am old enough to remember all the excuses why black players couldn't play in various positions (all hidden behind the "if they were good enough" arguments) all of which of course were completely spurious. How many clubs have a proper interview process when the same tired old names just keep turning up in job after job? How many black players don't even bother applying because they know they won't even get an interview? I keep hearing that we can't compare Football to the NFL, yet, they had similar arguments against black Quarterbacks & Coaches (when I first started watching there were none of either) and yet now, because of the changes in their rules there are a significant number of both who are black.
So we should change the rules in football so that there are more black coaches/managers in football, WTF is that about , positive discrimination against white managers no wonder the country is in such a mess.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 4, 2014 7:17:18 GMT
Bullshit cowboy, managers in football are appointed on their ability to do the job, ability above diversity as it should be in our country , Sol Campbell is a bigoted clown no matter what colour he is. Managers are not hired on ability alone, they are hired on perceived ability. Which would include any confirmed or unconfirmed bias. And would explain why they aren't all good. I apologize for my spelling of colour.
Are you implying that all the chairmen/owners of football clubs in this country are racist in some way ?, I am convinced that managers are employed on credentials and ability perceived or not, I have worked for over thirty years for different organisations in the UK I have never worked for a black manager, does that indicate that those organisations were also racist 8-|BULLSHIT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 4, 2014 7:42:22 GMT
Camp bell,used to play for Arsenal, he is a Cunt, end of.
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Post by rorymscfc on Sept 4, 2014 8:14:45 GMT
I'd like to see some statistics on the number of applications made by black managers. It can't be very high at all otherwise I'm convinced there would be more black managers in this country. In the last ten years we've had Paul Ince, Leroy Rosenoir Keith Alexander and Chris Powell, have I missed anyone? So four black managers in the last ten years, until I see some statistics on the number of black applications compared to white applications I refuse to believe that skin colour plays any part in a chairmans decision making. Maybe it's just a coincidence the vast majority of black players don't fancy management. I'm pretty certain there is a decent number of black coaches working in the football league and premier league. Chris Hughton?
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 4, 2014 8:24:42 GMT
It will be interesting to see if Walters can get a job in management when he retires from playing!
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 4, 2014 8:55:26 GMT
I'd like to see some statistics on the number of applications made by black managers. It can't be very high at all otherwise I'm convinced there would be more black managers in this country. In the last ten years we've had Paul Ince, Leroy Rosenoir Keith Alexander and Chris Powell, have I missed anyone? So four black managers in the last ten years, until I see some statistics on the number of black applications compared to white applications I refuse to believe that skin colour plays any part in a chairmans decision making. Maybe it's just a coincidence the vast majority of black players don't fancy management. I'm pretty certain there is a decent number of black coaches working in the football league and premier league. Chris Hughton? Chris Hughton! Just remembered Keith Curle, Jean Tigana was black but not English. So that's seven we've come up with in the last ten/fifteen years. Now if we had the statistics for black applicants over the same period and worked it out as a percentage of successful appointments and compared it to that of white applicants, we would be able to ascertain whether the figure was disproportionate or not.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 4, 2014 9:06:55 GMT
I'd like to see some statistics on the number of applications made by black managers. It can't be very high at all otherwise I'm convinced there would be more black managers in this country. In the last ten years we've had Paul Ince, Leroy Rosenoir Keith Alexander and Chris Powell, have I missed anyone? So four black managers in the last ten years, until I see some statistics on the number of black applications compared to white applications I refuse to believe that skin colour plays any part in a chairmans decision making. Maybe it's just a coincidence the vast majority of black players don't fancy management. I'm pretty certain there is a decent number of black coaches working in the football league and premier league. Terry Connor for Wolves was another too.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 4, 2014 9:08:06 GMT
I'd like to see some statistics on the number of applications made by black managers. It can't be very high at all otherwise I'm convinced there would be more black managers in this country. In the last ten years we've had Paul Ince, Leroy Rosenoir Keith Alexander and Chris Powell, have I missed anyone? So four black managers in the last ten years, until I see some statistics on the number of black applications compared to white applications I refuse to believe that skin colour plays any part in a chairmans decision making. Maybe it's just a coincidence the vast majority of black players don't fancy management. I'm pretty certain there is a decent number of black coaches working in the football league and premier league. Terry Connor for Wolves was another too. there you go, another one! This no black managers is a completely fabricate myth!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 4, 2014 9:13:38 GMT
26% of players are black and 1% of managers are black, its a stain on our game.
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Post by ************** on Sept 4, 2014 9:39:47 GMT
26% of players are black and 1% of managers are black, its a stain on our game. Too right Momo. It's wank.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 4, 2014 9:51:12 GMT
Can't believe nobody has made a black eye joke yet.
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Post by manchesterpotter on Sept 4, 2014 10:04:41 GMT
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 4, 2014 10:06:55 GMT
26% of players are black and 1% of managers are black, its a stain on our game. But what percentage of these players then go on to apply for jobs as managers?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 4, 2014 10:12:18 GMT
26% of players are black and 1% of managers are black, its a stain on our game. But what percentage of these players then go on to apply for jobs as managers? If there is a sharp decline in applications from black players compared to white (and I suspect there is)then this would strike me as a symptom of the real problem rather than the problem itself, LGH.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 4, 2014 10:17:55 GMT
I'd like to see some statistics on the number of applications made by black managers. It can't be very high at all otherwise I'm convinced there would be more black managers in this country. In the last ten years we've had Paul Ince, Leroy Rosenoir Keith Alexander and Chris Powell, have I missed anyone? So four black managers in the last ten years, until I see some statistics on the number of black applications compared to white applications I refuse to believe that skin colour plays any part in a chairmans decision making. Maybe it's just a coincidence the vast majority of black players don't fancy management. I'm pretty certain there is a decent number of black coaches working in the football league and premier league. Terry Connor for Wolves was another too. Chris Kamara at Stoke, that went well unbelievable Geoff.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 4, 2014 10:22:45 GMT
But what percentage of these players then go on to apply for jobs as managers? If there is a sharp decline in applications from black players compared to white (and I suspect there is)then this would strike me as a symptom of the real problem rather than the problem itself, LGH. Is that the perceived problem or the real problem, maybe there is no problem just a thought like, could be that the owners of the clubs are employing the best candidate for the job that they are paying them to carry out, why are some making out there is some agenda people employ who they feel is best person to carry out that role, something out of nothing again maybe that is the only problem
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 4, 2014 10:23:39 GMT
Isn't there a large population of black people in a lot of South American countries, Yet how many of them are Managers of their clubs?
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 4, 2014 10:27:02 GMT
But what percentage of these players then go on to apply for jobs as managers? If there is a sharp decline in applications from black players compared to white (and I suspect there is)then this would strike me as a symptom of the real problem rather than the problem itself, LGH. I just don't buy this no black managers race card bollocks. 26% of players are black, but apparently our game is racist. Well if that's the case how the frig have 26% of professional footballers ended up being black. There is no way that players would be treated differently to managers. The fact of the matter is chairmen will appoint the best man they think for the job. If you've got 20 white & 2 black men applying for job on average (this is a figure plucked from the air, surely the real figures must be available somehere), the chances are that a white man will get the job, it's just the law of averages! Look at the black managers I've named in my list, not one of them has had much success in their jobs bar the odd promotion or auto windscreens win, and haven't lasted long in their jobs. Therefore the game must be racist, it's nothing to do with the fact that the few black men that have gone in to management have mostly been shit at their jobs! Chris Hughton has been relatively successful, his race doesn't seem to have held him back at all. There are loads of black coaches employed by football clubs, Les Ferdinand, Earl Barrett, Noel Blake, Terry O'Connor, Tony Daley, Andy Cole and no doubt countless others. So if a club is prepared to employ a black coach, why wouldn't they employ them as a manager. It's bollocks.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 4, 2014 10:27:15 GMT
Isn't there a large population of black people in a lot of South American countries, Yet how many of them are Managers of their clubs? That's because Hispanics are racist
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 4, 2014 10:33:11 GMT
But what percentage of these players then go on to apply for jobs as managers? If there is a sharp decline in applications from black players compared to white (and I suspect there is)then this would strike me as a symptom of the real problem rather than the problem itself, LGH.
Surely the most important question, is how many black players even want to go into football management - how many of them are prepared to do their coaching badges in the first place?
I must admit I don't buy the argument that just because so few black footballers end up being black football managers, then means that owners of football clubs must be racist - it's clearly a massive over simplification.
Many owners of football clubs would sell their gran if it meant it would achieve success for them, they would literally do anything to have a man in charge who was winning games, so I don't think the assertion of racism here makes sense.
Look at how few Asian footballers there are playing in English football - it would be quite easy to say, ah - the reason for this MUST be because football chairman are inherently racist but it quite clearly isn't true when you see how many black footballers they employ.
There is obviously something ELSE that is the reason for such a small number here, far, far too easy to play the race card at times.
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