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Post by salopstick on Nov 22, 2024 13:23:25 GMT
i believe it he did to exert his authority over the "far right" sorting out the manchester case just as quick also stops anybody with the same far right tendancies getting involved in all sorts of far right shit such as rioting etc the optics suggest no parity so Starmer deserves the critisism he is getting. there will be people jailed and released before the manchester lot get done due to the government getting involved in those criminal cases all people are asking is the government either take no action or they treat everyone equally Well we were told repeatedly the rioters weren’t “far right”. The PM has a responsibility to protect citizens and businesses and communities. That’s what Starmer did. No doubt all those critical of him for trying to stop the riots wouldn’t be so critical had they been just stop oil protesters. The government is treating everyone equally. They don’t get involved in specific cases. If there was a series of police being assaulted in airports across the country, would you not want Starmer to do what he could to stop the assaults? I would. A one off is a one off and is different. I ask you, and those critical of Starmer for not interfering with this case, why is this assault more important to you than rape and murder cases and why are you not asking Starmer to intervene in those? im asking to get involved in all or none we all know the rioters were largely due to tommy robinson type inclinations/arguments. we also know that hese same people are largely the ones moaning about manchester. The optics do not look good when he gets involved in one without the other he brings this on himself |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 22, 2024 14:21:51 GMT
Well we were told repeatedly the rioters weren’t “far right”. The PM has a responsibility to protect citizens and businesses and communities. That’s what Starmer did. No doubt all those critical of him for trying to stop the riots wouldn’t be so critical had they been just stop oil protesters. The government is treating everyone equally. They don’t get involved in specific cases. If there was a series of police being assaulted in airports across the country, would you not want Starmer to do what he could to stop the assaults? I would. A one off is a one off and is different. I ask you, and those critical of Starmer for not interfering with this case, why is this assault more important to you than rape and murder cases and why are you not asking Starmer to intervene in those? im asking to get involved in all or none we all know the rioters were largely due to tommy robinson type inclinations/arguments. we also know that hese same people are largely the ones moaning about manchester. The optics do not look good when he gets involved in one without the other he brings this on himself Exactly, he was invisible on Harehills when the rioters were attacking the police. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 22, 2024 15:54:25 GMT
Well we were told repeatedly the rioters weren’t “far right”. The PM has a responsibility to protect citizens and businesses and communities. That’s what Starmer did. No doubt all those critical of him for trying to stop the riots wouldn’t be so critical had they been just stop oil protesters. The government is treating everyone equally. They don’t get involved in specific cases. If there was a series of police being assaulted in airports across the country, would you not want Starmer to do what he could to stop the assaults? I would. A one off is a one off and is different. I ask you, and those critical of Starmer for not interfering with this case, why is this assault more important to you than rape and murder cases and why are you not asking Starmer to intervene in those? im asking to get involved in all or none we all know the rioters were largely due to tommy robinson type inclinations/arguments. we also know that hese same people are largely the ones moaning about manchester. The optics do not look good when he gets involved in one without the other he brings this on himself You honestly can’t see the difference between meddling in a specific case of assault involving a police complaint, and telling the ministry for justice that to help quell the rioters please move as quickly as you can to protect more innocent people from being hurt and communities from being smashed up? And what would you say to the rape victim whose perpetrator is not investigated as quickly because all resources are being put on this assault at the airport? How would the optics of that look? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 22, 2024 15:57:56 GMT
im asking to get involved in all or none we all know the rioters were largely due to tommy robinson type inclinations/arguments. we also know that hese same people are largely the ones moaning about manchester. The optics do not look good when he gets involved in one without the other he brings this on himself Exactly, he was invisible on Harehills when the rioters were attacking the police. A much better comparison. I guess the difference is a one off riot in Harehills, and the multiple occurrences of riots across various dates and locations across the country. He didn’t need to speed things up to protect the public from more misery with Harehills. My apologies if I have my facts wrong, but I am pretty sure that was a one off and not across multiple days and locations? |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 22, 2024 16:05:28 GMT
im asking to get involved in all or none we all know the rioters were largely due to tommy robinson type inclinations/arguments. we also know that hese same people are largely the ones moaning about manchester. The optics do not look good when he gets involved in one without the other he brings this on himself You honestly can’t see the difference between meddling in a specific case of assault involving a police complaint, and telling the ministry for justice that to help quell the rioters please move as quickly as you can to protect more innocent people from being hurt and communities from being smashed up? And what would you say to the rape victim whose perpetrator is not investigated as quickly because all resources are being put on this assault at the airport? How would the optics of that look? And you cannot see that meddling full stop is wrong - his actions have started this narrative. if him and cooper hadnt been hell bent on prosecuting rioters and tweeters as quick as humanly possible we wouldnt be having this discussion he even quickly made room in the prisons to accommodate this. plenty of rape victims out there seeing the wheels of justice turn at astronomical speed to quell anti-immigration crime but not their cases |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 22, 2024 16:11:03 GMT
Exactly, he was invisible on Harehills when the rioters were attacking the police. A much better comparison. I guess the difference is a one off riot in Harehills, and the multiple occurrences of riots across various dates and locations across the country. He didn’t need to speed things up to protect the public from more misery with Harehills. My apologies if I have my facts wrong, but I am pretty sure that was a one off and not across multiple days and locations? a crime is a crime, a riot is a riot regardless of multi locations and days the harehills riots were not by "the far right", "white people" or "british people" that is the difference. Now that statement is obviously not true but it is cetainly many persons view - my point is it is easy to for some people to think that way because that is the perception shown by this governments actions |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 22, 2024 16:48:34 GMT
You honestly can’t see the difference between meddling in a specific case of assault involving a police complaint, and telling the ministry for justice that to help quell the rioters please move as quickly as you can to protect more innocent people from being hurt and communities from being smashed up? And what would you say to the rape victim whose perpetrator is not investigated as quickly because all resources are being put on this assault at the airport? How would the optics of that look? And you cannot see that meddling full stop is wrong - his actions have started this narrative. if him and cooper hadnt been hell bent on prosecuting rioters and tweeters as quick as humanly possible we wouldnt be having this discussion he even quickly made room in the prisons to accommodate this. plenty of rape victims out there seeing the wheels of justice turn at astronomical speed to quell anti-immigration crime but not their cases So you don’t think the PM should take any action to help stop rioting thugs smashing up communities and abusing people and property? I bet you would have been critical of him had he done nothing to try and quell the riots. What about the head of the CPS? Or police? Is it meddling for them to decide to do everything in their power to stop more riots? It isn’t anti immigration crime. It was mindless violence. Smashing up Greggs and burning cars. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 22, 2024 16:58:36 GMT
A much better comparison. I guess the difference is a one off riot in Harehills, and the multiple occurrences of riots across various dates and locations across the country. He didn’t need to speed things up to protect the public from more misery with Harehills. My apologies if I have my facts wrong, but I am pretty sure that was a one off and not across multiple days and locations? a crime is a crime, a riot is a riot regardless of multi locations and days the harehills riots were not by "the far right", "white people" or "british people" that is the difference. Now that statement is obviously not true but it is cetainly many persons view - my point is it is easy to for some people to think that way because that is the perception shown by this governments actions A one off event doesn’t need extra action to stop future events though. Because it is a one off. Had the Harehill riots spread and continued, like with the Southport ones, no doubt the authorities would have moved to stop them, like with the Southport ones. The authorities took absolutely the right action to stop mindless thugs quickly with the Southport riots. I cannot believe you wanted more people beaten up, more shops smashed and more communities ransacked, and more police abused and resources focused on riots rather than other crimes. The authorities moved quickly against perpetrators after the first few days of riots in multiple locations had happened (and not in response to one riot) by pushing for quick sentencing to those charged where they had pleaded guilty and it worked to help quell the riots. it was great work by the authorities and in particular the brave police who had to stand up to the thugs to protect the public. i am glad they didn't face extra days of riots because of the swift action taken by the authorities. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 22, 2024 17:17:10 GMT
a crime is a crime, a riot is a riot regardless of multi locations and days the harehills riots were not by "the far right", "white people" or "british people" that is the difference. Now that statement is obviously not true but it is cetainly many persons view - my point is it is easy to for some people to think that way because that is the perception shown by this governments actions A one off event doesn’t need extra action to stop future events though. Because it is a one off. Had the Harehill riots spread and continued, like with the Southport ones, no doubt the authorities would have moved to stop them, like with the Southport ones. The authorities took absolutely the right action to stop mindless thugs quickly with the Southport riots. I cannot believe you wanted more people beaten up, more shops smashed and more communities ransacked, and more police abused and resources focused on riots rather than other crimes. The authorities moved quickly against perpetrators after the first few days of riots in multiple locations had happened (and not in response to one riot) by pushing for quick sentencing to those charged where they had pleaded guilty and it worked to help quell the riots. it was great work by the authorities and in particular the brave police who had to stand up to the thugs to protect the public. i am glad they didn't face extra days of riots because of the swift action taken by the authorities. Behave you don’t believe that’s what I wanted. What I want is fairness and equality in the justice system. The Southport riots have not created that |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 22, 2024 17:20:32 GMT
A one off event doesn’t need extra action to stop future events though. Because it is a one off. Had the Harehill riots spread and continued, like with the Southport ones, no doubt the authorities would have moved to stop them, like with the Southport ones. The authorities took absolutely the right action to stop mindless thugs quickly with the Southport riots. I cannot believe you wanted more people beaten up, more shops smashed and more communities ransacked, and more police abused and resources focused on riots rather than other crimes. The authorities moved quickly against perpetrators after the first few days of riots in multiple locations had happened (and not in response to one riot) by pushing for quick sentencing to those charged where they had pleaded guilty and it worked to help quell the riots. it was great work by the authorities and in particular the brave police who had to stand up to the thugs to protect the public. i am glad they didn't face extra days of riots because of the swift action taken by the authorities. Behave you don’t believe that’s what I wanted. What I want is fairness and equality in the justice system. The Southport riots have not created that How? Because people who pleaded guilty to crimes were punished quickly in order to stop more crime. Seems sensible to me. You didn’t want the authorities to move quickly to prevent further crime. So you wanted more crime to be committed rather than cases getting fast tracked. I don’t understand why you wanted that. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 22, 2024 17:22:16 GMT
Behave you don’t believe that’s what I wanted. What I want is fairness and equality in the justice system. The Southport riots have not created that How? Because people who pleaded guilty to crimes were punished quickly in order to stop more crime. Seems sensible to me. It wasn’t the speed of the plea it was the speed of getting them in front of the magistrate If only they could get the burglars, robbers and other thugs done as quick as a retweeter |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 22, 2024 17:23:45 GMT
How? Because people who pleaded guilty to crimes were punished quickly in order to stop more crime. Seems sensible to me. If only they could get the burglars, robbers and other thugs done as quick as a retweeter Much harder to prove i guess. Whereas committing crime with a tweet is like being caught red handed. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 22, 2024 17:34:44 GMT
A much better comparison. I guess the difference is a one off riot in Harehills, and the multiple occurrences of riots across various dates and locations across the country. He didn’t need to speed things up to protect the public from more misery with Harehills. My apologies if I have my facts wrong, but I am pretty sure that was a one off and not across multiple days and locations? a crime is a crime, a riot is a riot regardless of multi locations and days the harehills riots were not by "the far right", "white people" or "british people" that is the difference. Now that statement is obviously not true but it is cetainly many persons view - my point is it is easy to for some people to think that way because that is the perception shown by this governments actions It was ever thus People forget, or choose to forget that exactly the same, if not worse happened after the 2011 Riots In these cases there is a great risk of contagion and the authorities crack down hard. There is no Left/Right discrimination British courts have been accused by academics of handing out thousands of ‘excessive and arbitrary punishments’ in an atmosphere of ‘collective hysteria’ following the 2011 UK riots.
Researchers from Manchester University claim the criminal justice system ‘almost lost control’ in response to the days of looting, arson and violence that gripped several major English cities, including London, Birmingham and Manchester.
The summer disorder began after a 29-year-old resident of Tottenham, north London named Mark Duggan was shot dead by police.
The riots were called the worst in living memory, and over 3,000 people were prosecuted.
The study, entitled The 2011 English ‘Riots’: Prosecutorial Zeal and Judicial Abandon analyses data to detail how courts abandoned normal sentencing guidelines.
“Normally judges and magistrates have to follow very strict guidelines. Very early on in this case, they threw all that out of the window,” said Dr Hannah Quirk, study co-author and a senior lecturer in criminal law and justice at Manchester University.
“They were picking numbers out of a hat. And we had some really shocking sentences.”
The report cites examples like mother-of-two Ursula Nevin, who was jailed for five months after she admitted accepting a pair of shorts looted from a Manchester shop by a friend. Her sentence was later reduced on appeal to 75 hours of community work.
Despite having no criminal record, London student Nicolas Robinson, 23, was jailed for six months for stealing a £3.50 (€4.70) case of bottled water during a night of rioting in south London.
“Normally, the police wouldn’t arrest you for such an offence. They wouldn’t hold you in custody. They wouldn’t take you to court,” Dr Quirk said.
“We’re absolutely not condoning what people did. But the sentences were grossly disproportionate.”
Around two-thirds of defendants appearing before the courts for riot-related offences received an immediate custodial sentence with an average length of 17.1 months, compared to just 3.7 months for similar cases in 2010.
Of those suspects who appeared at the more senior crown court, over 80 per cent were given immediate custodial sentences.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Nov 22, 2024 17:46:52 GMT
You honestly can’t see the difference between meddling in a specific case of assault involving a police complaint, and telling the ministry for justice that to help quell the rioters please move as quickly as you can to protect more innocent people from being hurt and communities from being smashed up? And what would you say to the rape victim whose perpetrator is not investigated as quickly because all resources are being put on this assault at the airport? How would the optics of that look? And you cannot see that meddling full stop is wrong - his actions have started this narrative. if him and cooper hadnt been hell bent on prosecuting rioters and tweeters as quick as humanly possible we wouldnt be having this discussion he even quickly made room in the prisons to accommodate this. plenty of rape victims out there seeing the wheels of justice turn at astronomical speed to quell anti-immigration crime but not their cases Back at the start of August we had Elon Musk saying civil war in the UK is inevitable . Farage was saying things were going to get much worse. People trying to set fire to hotels. Swift action was needed and has for now been effective, as it was in 2011 where courts sat for extended hours. Don't see people saying it was wrong then. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 22, 2024 17:50:51 GMT
a crime is a crime, a riot is a riot regardless of multi locations and days the harehills riots were not by "the far right", "white people" or "british people" that is the difference. Now that statement is obviously not true but it is cetainly many persons view - my point is it is easy to for some people to think that way because that is the perception shown by this governments actions It was ever thus People forget, or choose to forget that exactly the same, if not worse happened after the 2011 Riots In these cases there is a great risk of contagion and the authorities crack down hard. There is no Left/Right discrimination British courts have been accused by academics of handing out thousands of ‘excessive and arbitrary punishments’ in an atmosphere of ‘collective hysteria’ following the 2011 UK riots.
Researchers from Manchester University claim the criminal justice system ‘almost lost control’ in response to the days of looting, arson and violence that gripped several major English cities, including London, Birmingham and Manchester.
The summer disorder began after a 29-year-old resident of Tottenham, north London named Mark Duggan was shot dead by police.
The riots were called the worst in living memory, and over 3,000 people were prosecuted.
The study, entitled The 2011 English ‘Riots’: Prosecutorial Zeal and Judicial Abandon analyses data to detail how courts abandoned normal sentencing guidelines.
“Normally judges and magistrates have to follow very strict guidelines. Very early on in this case, they threw all that out of the window,” said Dr Hannah Quirk, study co-author and a senior lecturer in criminal law and justice at Manchester University.
“They were picking numbers out of a hat. And we had some really shocking sentences.”
The report cites examples like mother-of-two Ursula Nevin, who was jailed for five months after she admitted accepting a pair of shorts looted from a Manchester shop by a friend. Her sentence was later reduced on appeal to 75 hours of community work.
Despite having no criminal record, London student Nicolas Robinson, 23, was jailed for six months for stealing a £3.50 (€4.70) case of bottled water during a night of rioting in south London.
“Normally, the police wouldn’t arrest you for such an offence. They wouldn’t hold you in custody. They wouldn’t take you to court,” Dr Quirk said.
“We’re absolutely not condoning what people did. But the sentences were grossly disproportionate.”
Around two-thirds of defendants appearing before the courts for riot-related offences received an immediate custodial sentence with an average length of 17.1 months, compared to just 3.7 months for similar cases in 2010.
Of those suspects who appeared at the more senior crown court, over 80 per cent were given immediate custodial sentences.
www.equaltimes.org/uk-riots-court-sentences-deemed?lang=enI was just reading through this thread and was going to bring up exactly the same example when I got to the end. In 2011, EXACTLY the same tactics were used to stop the riots spreading and it worked then as it did this time. Some people were receiving custodial sentences for looting a bottle of water. The sentences were severe and they were swiftly imposed and it stopped the riot in it's tracks. The vast majority of people who were banged up were people of colour and the fella in charge, was some bloke named Keir Starmer, head of the CPS at the time. Which doesn't really fit the narrative being promoted over the last couple of pages. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 22, 2024 17:51:08 GMT
a crime is a crime, a riot is a riot regardless of multi locations and days the harehills riots were not by "the far right", "white people" or "british people" that is the difference. Now that statement is obviously not true but it is cetainly many persons view - my point is it is easy to for some people to think that way because that is the perception shown by this governments actions A one off event doesn’t need extra action to stop future events though. Because it is a one off. Had the Harehill riots spread and continued, like with the Southport ones, no doubt the authorities would have moved to stop them, like with the Southport ones. The authorities took absolutely the right action to stop mindless thugs quickly with the Southport riots. I cannot believe you wanted more people beaten up, more shops smashed and more communities ransacked, and more police abused and resources focused on riots rather than other crimes. The authorities moved quickly against perpetrators after the first few days of riots in multiple locations had happened (and not in response to one riot) by pushing for quick sentencing to those charged where they had pleaded guilty and it worked to help quell the riots. it was great work by the authorities and in particular the brave police who had to stand up to the thugs to protect the public. i am glad they didn't face extra days of riots because of the swift action taken by the authorities. I believe the non-reaction to Harehills helped trigger the post Southport riots that followed, idiots taking part expecting to get off as lightly as those in Harehills. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 22, 2024 18:04:03 GMT
A one off event doesn’t need extra action to stop future events though. Because it is a one off. Had the Harehill riots spread and continued, like with the Southport ones, no doubt the authorities would have moved to stop them, like with the Southport ones. The authorities took absolutely the right action to stop mindless thugs quickly with the Southport riots. I cannot believe you wanted more people beaten up, more shops smashed and more communities ransacked, and more police abused and resources focused on riots rather than other crimes. The authorities moved quickly against perpetrators after the first few days of riots in multiple locations had happened (and not in response to one riot) by pushing for quick sentencing to those charged where they had pleaded guilty and it worked to help quell the riots. it was great work by the authorities and in particular the brave police who had to stand up to the thugs to protect the public. i am glad they didn't face extra days of riots because of the swift action taken by the authorities. I believe the non-reaction to Harehills helped trigger the post Southport riots that followed, idiots taking part expecting to get off as lightly as those in Harehills. I think Farage helped trigger the riots too. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 22, 2024 18:28:27 GMT
I believe the non-reaction to Harehills helped trigger the post Southport riots that followed, idiots taking part expecting to get off as lightly as those in Harehills. I think Farage helped trigger the riots too. I think there were lots of reasons, dickheads on social media mainly. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 22, 2024 18:47:19 GMT
I think Farage helped trigger the riots too. I think there were lots of reasons, dickheads on social media mainly. Yes. And i am glad they were stopped by the authorities. |
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Post by elystokie on Nov 22, 2024 18:51:28 GMT
I believe the non-reaction to Harehills helped trigger the post Southport riots that followed, idiots taking part expecting to get off as lightly as those in Harehills. I think Farage helped trigger the riots too. Of course he did, it's what he's paid to do. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 22, 2024 19:02:05 GMT
And you cannot see that meddling full stop is wrong - his actions have started this narrative. if him and cooper hadnt been hell bent on prosecuting rioters and tweeters as quick as humanly possible we wouldnt be having this discussion he even quickly made room in the prisons to accommodate this. plenty of rape victims out there seeing the wheels of justice turn at astronomical speed to quell anti-immigration crime but not their cases Back at the start of August we had Elon Musk saying civil war in the UK is inevitable . Farage was saying things were going to get much worse. People trying to set fire to hotels. Swift action was needed and has for now been effective, as it was in 2011 where courts sat for extended hours. Don't see people saying it was wrong then. They weren’t creating prison spaces to jail people for offensive tweets. |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Nov 22, 2024 19:39:11 GMT
Back at the start of August we had Elon Musk saying civil war in the UK is inevitable . Farage was saying things were going to get much worse. People trying to set fire to hotels. Swift action was needed and has for now been effective, as it was in 2011 where courts sat for extended hours. Don't see people saying it was wrong then. They weren’t creating prison spaces to jail people for offensive tweets. Ah yes , the poor tweeters, the real victims in all this . One of the stranger aspects of this thread has been that some who say that the scum at Manchester would have been shot in some countries, are falling over themselves arguing that the Tweeters have been harshly treated for inciting civil unrest online, when doing so in those same countries would probably see them disappear for life. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 22, 2024 19:42:38 GMT
Back at the start of August we had Elon Musk saying civil war in the UK is inevitable . Farage was saying things were going to get much worse. People trying to set fire to hotels. Swift action was needed and has for now been effective, as it was in 2011 where courts sat for extended hours. Don't see people saying it was wrong then. They weren’t creating prison spaces to jail people for offensive tweets. They did create extra prison spaces to make room for the influx making Austerity worse Has David Cameron forgotten the spending review he and the chancellor carried out in the Autumn? George Osborne demanded a 23 per cent cut in the Ministry of Justice budget by 2014/15. The Justice Secretary’s response was to pledge a reduction in prison places. Now the same department blithely talks about reopening the four jails it had planned to close. Where exactly is the money coming from? The public may be keen on throwing the rioters in prison, but less so on footing the bill.
www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-will-prisons-in-england-and-wales-burst-at-the-seams
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Post by Foster on Nov 22, 2024 20:12:33 GMT
Are these twats in prison yet or what?
Can someone summarise?
The last pages are a load of tit for tat bollocks.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 22, 2024 20:33:44 GMT
Are these twats in prison yet or what? Can someone summarise? The last pages are a load of tit for tat bollocks.  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2024 20:45:58 GMT
It was ever thus People forget, or choose to forget that exactly the same, if not worse happened after the 2011 Riots In these cases there is a great risk of contagion and the authorities crack down hard. There is no Left/Right discrimination British courts have been accused by academics of handing out thousands of ‘excessive and arbitrary punishments’ in an atmosphere of ‘collective hysteria’ following the 2011 UK riots.
Researchers from Manchester University claim the criminal justice system ‘almost lost control’ in response to the days of looting, arson and violence that gripped several major English cities, including London, Birmingham and Manchester.
The summer disorder began after a 29-year-old resident of Tottenham, north London named Mark Duggan was shot dead by police.
The riots were called the worst in living memory, and over 3,000 people were prosecuted.
The study, entitled The 2011 English ‘Riots’: Prosecutorial Zeal and Judicial Abandon analyses data to detail how courts abandoned normal sentencing guidelines.
“Normally judges and magistrates have to follow very strict guidelines. Very early on in this case, they threw all that out of the window,” said Dr Hannah Quirk, study co-author and a senior lecturer in criminal law and justice at Manchester University.
“They were picking numbers out of a hat. And we had some really shocking sentences.”
The report cites examples like mother-of-two Ursula Nevin, who was jailed for five months after she admitted accepting a pair of shorts looted from a Manchester shop by a friend. Her sentence was later reduced on appeal to 75 hours of community work.
Despite having no criminal record, London student Nicolas Robinson, 23, was jailed for six months for stealing a £3.50 (€4.70) case of bottled water during a night of rioting in south London.
“Normally, the police wouldn’t arrest you for such an offence. They wouldn’t hold you in custody. They wouldn’t take you to court,” Dr Quirk said.
“We’re absolutely not condoning what people did. But the sentences were grossly disproportionate.”
Around two-thirds of defendants appearing before the courts for riot-related offences received an immediate custodial sentence with an average length of 17.1 months, compared to just 3.7 months for similar cases in 2010.
Of those suspects who appeared at the more senior crown court, over 80 per cent were given immediate custodial sentences.
www.equaltimes.org/uk-riots-court-sentences-deemed?lang=enI was just reading through this thread and was going to bring up exactly the same example when I got to the end. In 2011, EXACTLY the same tactics were used to stop the riots spreading and it worked then as it did this time. Some people were receiving custodial sentences for looting a bottle of water. The sentences were severe and they were swiftly imposed and it stopped the riot in it's tracks. The vast majority of people who were banged up were people of colour and the fella in charge, was some bloke named Keir Starmer, head of the CPS at the time. Which doesn't really fit the narrative being promoted over the last couple of pages. Keir is wmfuc |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2024 20:56:16 GMT
What a load of fucking bollocks this thread is 🤣🤣
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 22, 2024 21:39:16 GMT
What a load of fucking bollocks this thread is 🤣🤣  |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 22, 2024 22:09:43 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Nov 22, 2024 23:17:12 GMT
Time to shit bin?
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