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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 19, 2024 13:43:45 GMT
You are triggered and I understand that. It's been a tough time for your liberal and indeed, illiberal ideology these past couple of weeks. Rachel in accounts is on the brink, Starmer is failing on just about everything, despised by just about everyone (you and Wannabe aside) and the libertarian right continue to make strong progress around the world in major elections. Your woke wonderland is taking an absolute battering and it's becoming more and more obvious that right leaning politicians like The Don and Big Nige are going to be having an increasingly big influence on destroying your beloved Labour government and indeed, your life in the years ahead. It's a beautiful thing, just enjoy the ride and don't cry too much. 🥹 People try and make comparisons of who's better, The Don, Big Nige, Ricky Tice, Georgia Meloni 🔥, Milei, the rise of the libertarian right in Germany or Canada's next star PM Poilievre. To quote the great Rio Ferdinand... "Just enjoy 'em man, we're lucky to be in this time." Deflection at its finest! Can’t justify your hypocrisy, can you? How you have the nerve to accuse others of hypocrisy is beyond me. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 19, 2024 13:58:18 GMT
Deflection at its finest! Can’t justify your hypocrisy, can you? How you have the nerve to accuse others of hypocrisy is beyond me. Why do you oppose 2 tiered justice but want this case prioritised above others and rushed through before others? Is that not the very definition of 2 tiered justice? Do you not see the hypocrisy? |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 19, 2024 14:18:50 GMT
How you have the nerve to accuse others of hypocrisy is beyond me. Why do you oppose 2 tiered justice but want this case prioritised above others and rushed through before others? Is that not the very definition of 2 tiered justice? Do you not see the hypocrisy? Why is it? They are launching a private investigation because the case stinks. It's a fantastic idea. What is your problem with that? What are you scared of? Are you scared of what they might uncover? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 19, 2024 14:31:29 GMT
Why do you oppose 2 tiered justice but want this case prioritised above others and rushed through before others? Is that not the very definition of 2 tiered justice? Do you not see the hypocrisy? Why is it? They are launching a private investigation because the case stinks. It's a fantastic idea. What is your problem with that? What are you scared of? Are you scared of what they might uncover? You are supportive of Reform doing the exact thing (politicising crime) that you are critically accusing (without any evidence) Labour of doing. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 19, 2024 14:46:41 GMT
Why is it? They are launching a private investigation because the case stinks. It's a fantastic idea. What is your problem with that? What are you scared of? Are you scared of what they might uncover? You are supportive of Reform doing the exact thing (politicising crime) that you are critically accusing (without any evidence) Labour of doing. What are you on about, this is Reform initiating a private investigation, it's literally not remotely the same!!! 😆 Labour as the government are clearly influencing the outcome of the decision. All Reform are doing is launching an independent investigation so the outcome can be determined without government influence/corruption. Farage isn't going to influence the outcome is he? He doesn't have the power to do that. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 19, 2024 14:47:27 GMT
Why do you oppose 2 tiered justice but want this case prioritised above others and rushed through before others? Is that not the very definition of 2 tiered justice? Do you not see the hypocrisy? Why is it? They are launching a private investigation because the case stinks. It's a fantastic idea. What is your problem with that? What are you scared of? Are you scared of what they might uncover? They (Reform) are not launching a private investigation, they are allegedly launching a Private Prosecution. If they (Reform) do, the CPS will take it over as its still an ongoing investigation Let's fantasise for one minute and Scumbag 1 and 2 are brought to Court charged with say GBH Prosecution Council to Scumbag 1: Do you admit you attacked Police Officers at Manchester Airport? Scumbag 1: I was acting in self defence Defense Council to Mr IOPC: Have you completed your investigation into the Police Officers during the Manchester Airport Incident Mr IOPC: No Defence Council addressing the Judge after Mr IOPC evidence: M'lud i request that the case against my clients be summarily dismissed as the Prosecution has failed to examine all of the facts of what happened at Manchester Airport Judge: Case dismissed |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 19, 2024 14:50:34 GMT
You are supportive of Reform doing the exact thing (politicising crime) that you are critically accusing (without any evidence) Labour of doing. What are you on about, this is Reform initiating a private investigation, it's literally not remotely the same!!! 😆 Labour as the government are clearly influencing the outcome of the decision. All Reform are doing is launching an independent investigation so the outcome can be determined without government influence/corruption. Farage isn't going to influence the outcome is he? He doesn't have the power to do that. You don’t have a clue what you are even saying. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 19, 2024 14:51:59 GMT
Why is it? They are launching a private investigation because the case stinks. It's a fantastic idea. What is your problem with that? What are you scared of? Are you scared of what they might uncover? They (Reform) are not launching a private investigation, they are allegedly launching a Private Prosecution. If they (Reform) do, the CPS will take it over as its still an ongoing investigation Let's fantasise for one minute and Scumbag 1 and 2 are brought to Court charged with say GBH Prosecution Council to Scumbag 1: Do you admit you attacked Police Officers at Manchester Airport? Scumbag 1: I was acting in self defence Defense Council to Mr IOPC: Have you completed your investigation into the Police Officers during the Manchester Airport Incident Mr IOPC: No Defence Council addressing the Judge after Mr IOPC evidence: M'lud i request that the case against my clients be summarily dismissed as the Prosecution has failed to examine all of the facts of what happened at Manchester Airport Judge: Case dismissed Let's see what happens. I think you'll find they miraculously come to a sensible conclusion very soon now Starmer knows Reform are onto it. You're correct to highlight my typo. Not an investigation but a prosecution. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 19, 2024 14:59:47 GMT
What are you on about, this is Reform initiating a private investigation, it's literally not remotely the same!!! 😆 Labour as the government are clearly influencing the outcome of the decision. All Reform are doing is launching an independent investigation so the outcome can be determined without government influence/corruption. Farage isn't going to influence the outcome is he? He doesn't have the power to do that. You don’t have a clue what you are even saying. No, YOU don't have a clue what you're saying. You can't just throw around accusations of hypocrisy simply because you're uncomfortable at being pulled up for being called out for being the hypocrite you are. You spend years on end posting daily criticism of one government, yet defend an alternative government who commit the EXACT same mistakes and more. It's the epitome of hypocrisy! I disagree politically with many posters, take Prestwich or Paul Spencer for instance - We often have differing views on political subjects. But I absolutely respect that they aren't blinded by party politics and are willing to criticise based on their personal view and not based on the political party they are cheering on. Anyway, back to the original point. Why am I hypocrite for supporting the private prosecution that Reform are launching? Reform aren't going to influence the decision so why is that hypocrisy on my part? |
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Post by sticky on Nov 19, 2024 15:25:02 GMT
I’m shocked that scumbag 1 & 2 weren’t the coopers tbf😂
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 19, 2024 15:25:35 GMT
Absolutely disgusting that this hasn't concluded. Its absurd how some of the very same posters who were on the whole "they need to be sent a message so should be thrown behind bars immediately" vibe when it came to white "rioters" protesting/tweeting, are very much in the camp of "let the police do their job as the case is clearly very complex" when it comes to two young Pakistani men caught on video in front of the world kicking the fuck out of female (and male) police officers at Manchester Airport. The double standards are not even subtle anymore. Then again, these are the same characters who criticised the Tories daily for exactly the same shit that they are quick to defend the current government for. First sentence of above. The first sentence you wrote on this thread. Massive hypocrite. You supposedly hate 2 tiered justice, but you think this case should have concluded more than 4 times faster than the average Manchester Crown Court case. Why? Because you want two tiered justice. Where this case is prioritised to the detriment of others. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 19, 2024 15:29:55 GMT
This is great fun
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Post by wannabee on Nov 19, 2024 15:31:06 GMT
I’m shocked that scumbag 1 & 2 weren’t the coopers tbf😂 Is Farage prosecuting the Police as well 😰 is there no end to this man's 🤡 diversity and talents |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 19, 2024 15:32:18 GMT
Absolutely disgusting that this hasn't concluded. Its absurd how some of the very same posters who were on the whole "they need to be sent a message so should be thrown behind bars immediately" vibe when it came to white "rioters" protesting/tweeting, are very much in the camp of "let the police do their job as the case is clearly very complex" when it comes to two young Pakistani men caught on video in front of the world kicking the fuck out of female (and male) police officers at Manchester Airport. The double standards are not even subtle anymore. Then again, these are the same characters who criticised the Tories daily for exactly the same shit that they are quick to defend the current government for. First sentence of above. The first sentence you wrote on this thread. Massive hypocrite. You supposedly hate 2 tiered justice, but you think this case should have concluded more than 4 times faster than the average Manchester Crown Court case. Why? Because you want two tiered justice. Where this case is prioritised to the detriment of others. Since when has launching a private prosecution been the equivalent of "two tiered justice?" You're getting tangled in all sorts of weird knots here mate. I'm convinced you end up arguing with yourself at times. Bow out gracefully. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 19, 2024 15:33:49 GMT
I’m shocked that scumbag 1 & 2 weren’t the coopers tbf😂 At least he's referring to the scum bags by their proper title now and not "the brothers" Wannabe is learning ☺️ |
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Post by sticky on Nov 19, 2024 15:56:59 GMT
I’m shocked that scumbag 1 & 2 weren’t the coopers tbf😂 Is Farage prosecuting the Police as well 😰 is there no end to this man's 🤡 diversity and talents Think he’s to busy with his Clacton work😁 |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 19, 2024 17:06:51 GMT
First sentence of above. The first sentence you wrote on this thread. Massive hypocrite. You supposedly hate 2 tiered justice, but you think this case should have concluded more than 4 times faster than the average Manchester Crown Court case. Why? Because you want two tiered justice. Where this case is prioritised to the detriment of others. Since when has launching a private prosecution been the equivalent of "two tiered justice?" You're getting tangled in all sorts of weird knots here mate. I'm convinced you end up arguing with yourself at times. Bow out gracefully. Your first sentence on this thread is your anger at the case not being concluded yet. It is nothing to do with private prosecutions. It is your anger that this case has not been prioritised and dealt with more than 4 times faster than the average case. Ahead of murders and rapes. Why, because for some bizarre reason you see it as political and, as with everything, you bring it back to your obsession with Kier Starmer. As PM he has absolutely nothing to do with this. It is called the separation of powers. I really wish everyone was taught the basics of how our society works when they were at school. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 19, 2024 17:09:55 GMT
Since when has launching a private prosecution been the equivalent of "two tiered justice?" You're getting tangled in all sorts of weird knots here mate. I'm convinced you end up arguing with yourself at times. Bow out gracefully. Your first sentence on this thread is your anger at the case not being concluded yet. It is nothing to do with private prosecutions. It is your anger that this case has not been prioritised and dealt with more than 4 times faster than the average case. Ahead of murders and rapes. Why, because for some bizarre reason you see it as political and, as with everything, you bring it back to your obsession with Kier Starmer. As PM he has absolutely nothing to do with this. It is called the separation of powers. I really wish everyone was taught the basics of how our society works when they were at school. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer and everybody in the middle gets fucked? |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 19, 2024 19:30:28 GMT
Fair point however “idiots” aren’t just people you disagree with. They can come in all guises it’s that same old argument of everyone thinking they’re right. It happens on both sides. As an old friend said “who’s the biggest fool the fool or the fool who follows him.” “Ben Kenobi 1977” I completely get your point, but in this instance it is idiots. Do you not see the hypocrisy of shouting “2 tier policing” but at the same time wanting a case to be finalised in 17 weeks what on average takes 83 weeks in Manchester? And that’s average and most cases don’t have to investigate police actions as well. Fair point though it’s as clear as day that there’s inconsistancy’s re some cases being pushed through and others not and that’s what’s aggravating people (primarily on the right). It’s funny how some who usually pile on to attack the police are now defending them when it suits their political agenda. I think all people genuinely want consistency all the time and that doesn’t seem the case. I wanted those involved in the right wing riots remanding and boy did it happen quick. But at the time it was clear that this was done to send out a strong message. Why can’t that be done re Manchester Airport where the same strong message needs to be sent? I think that’s the argument. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 19, 2024 19:32:24 GMT
I completely get your point, but in this instance it is idiots. Do you not see the hypocrisy of shouting “2 tier policing” but at the same time wanting a case to be finalised in 17 weeks what on average takes 83 weeks in Manchester? And that’s average and most cases don’t have to investigate police actions as well. Fair point though it’s as clear as day that there’s inconsistancy’s re some cases being pushed through and others not and that’s what’s aggravating people (primarily on the right). It’s funny how some who pile on to attack the police are now defending them when it suits their political agenda. I think all people genuinely want consistency all the time and that doesn’t seem the case. I wanted those involved in the right wing riots remanding and boy did it happen quick. But at the time it was clear that this was done to send out a message. Why can’t that be done re Manchester Airport where the same strong message needs to be sent? I think that’s the argument. Racism is the obvious answer |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 19, 2024 20:19:08 GMT
How you have the nerve to accuse others of hypocrisy is beyond me. Why do you oppose 2 tiered justice but want this case prioritised above others and rushed through before others? Is that not the very definition of 2 tiered justice? Do you not see the hypocrisy? 2 tiered justice Its not the fact these individuals haven’t been in to court yet Its the fact despite clear and obvious evidence the same type that was used not only to charge but to convict and jail people involved in the Southport riots These individuals have not even been charged Please explain to me why the in the eye of the law when completely similar evidence was available the DPP has chosen to prosecute with relish And chosen at what can be described completely ignore |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 19, 2024 20:30:54 GMT
I completely get your point, but in this instance it is idiots. Do you not see the hypocrisy of shouting “2 tier policing” but at the same time wanting a case to be finalised in 17 weeks what on average takes 83 weeks in Manchester? And that’s average and most cases don’t have to investigate police actions as well. Fair point though it’s as clear as day that there’s inconsistancy’s re some cases being pushed through and others not and that’s what’s aggravating people (primarily on the right). It’s funny how some who usually pile on to attack the police are now defending them when it suits their political agenda. I think all people genuinely want consistency all the time and that doesn’t seem the case. I wanted those involved in the right wing riots remanding and boy did it happen quick. But at the time it was clear that this was done to send out a strong message. Why can’t that be done re Manchester Airport where the same strong message needs to be sent? I think that’s the argument. Because if one of your main witnesses is a police officer who faces a complaint against them for the way they behaved during the incident, you need to first investigate the police officer. Otherwise the defence barrister will tear the prosecution’s case to pieces. Which is why we let justice run its course and the investigation proceed. Just like everything in life, some things are more complex and take more time than others. But if this case takes the average length of time, it will be 83 weeks from offence to trial. We are currently at week 19 or so. Have patience. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 19, 2024 20:31:31 GMT
Why do you oppose 2 tiered justice but want this case prioritised above others and rushed through before others? Is that not the very definition of 2 tiered justice? Do you not see the hypocrisy? 2 tiered justice Its not the fact these individuals haven’t been in to court yet Its the fact despite clear and obvious evidence the same type that was used not only to charge but to convict and jail people involved in the Southport riots These individuals have not even been charged Please explain to me why the in the eye of the law when completely similar evidence was available the DPP has chosen to prosecute with relish And chosen at what can be described completely ignore See my reply to Cobs above. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 19, 2024 20:41:51 GMT
I completely get your point, but in this instance it is idiots. Do you not see the hypocrisy of shouting “2 tier policing” but at the same time wanting a case to be finalised in 17 weeks what on average takes 83 weeks in Manchester? And that’s average and most cases don’t have to investigate police actions as well. Fair point though it’s as clear as day that there’s inconsistancy’s re some cases being pushed through and others not and that’s what’s aggravating people (primarily on the right). It’s funny how some who usually pile on to attack the police are now defending them when it suits their political agenda. I think all people genuinely want consistency all the time and that doesn’t seem the case. I wanted those involved in the right wing riots remanding and boy did it happen quick. But at the time it was clear that this was done to send out a strong message. Why can’t that be done re Manchester Airport where the same strong message needs to be sent? I think that’s the argument. You may have missed a post I made previously where I quoted GMP, IOPC and CPS In an earlier reply to you I speculated that the IOPC investigation into the two Police Officers may be holding up a charging decision. In the later post I quote the IOPC who confirmed this to be the case: " Two Greater Manchester Police (GMP) officers remain under criminal investigation for assault
as part of this investigation"
“We expect to conclude our investigation into the use of force by two officers during the arrests in the next month"
How can the CPS make a charging decision when IOPC haven't fully completed their investigation Further speculation on my behalf is that investigations have been completed against the scumbags (OK Bianco?) |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 19, 2024 21:08:16 GMT
Fair point though it’s as clear as day that there’s inconsistancy’s re some cases being pushed through and others not and that’s what’s aggravating people (primarily on the right). It’s funny how some who usually pile on to attack the police are now defending them when it suits their political agenda. I think all people genuinely want consistency all the time and that doesn’t seem the case. I wanted those involved in the right wing riots remanding and boy did it happen quick. But at the time it was clear that this was done to send out a strong message. Why can’t that be done re Manchester Airport where the same strong message needs to be sent? I think that’s the argument. Because if one of your main witnesses is a police officer who faces a complaint against them for the way they behaved during the incident, you need to first investigate the police officer. Otherwise the defence barrister will tear the prosecution’s case to pieces. Which is why we let justice run its course and the investigation proceed. Just like everything in life, some things are more complex and take more time than others. But if this case takes the average length of time, it will be 83 weeks from offence to trial. We are currently at week 19 or so. Have patience. Fair play a good post. I don’t totally agree with the length of time as I’m sure it could be done quicker but I can respect your argument. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 19, 2024 21:17:37 GMT
Because if one of your main witnesses is a police officer who faces a complaint against them for the way they behaved during the incident, you need to first investigate the police officer. Otherwise the defence barrister will tear the prosecution’s case to pieces. Which is why we let justice run its course and the investigation proceed. Just like everything in life, some things are more complex and take more time than others. But if this case takes the average length of time, it will be 83 weeks from offence to trial. We are currently at week 19 or so. Have patience. Fair play a good post. I don’t totally agree with the length of time as I’m sure it could be done quicker but I can respect your argument. I made the exact same point to you two days ago but you didn't accept it. Well at least you do now. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 19, 2024 21:45:17 GMT
Fair play a good post. I don’t totally agree with the length of time as I’m sure it could be done quicker but I can respect your argument. I made the exact same point to you two days ago but you didn't accept it. Well at least you do now. That's because Oggy is so loveable. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 19, 2024 21:59:23 GMT
Fair play a good post. I don’t totally agree with the length of time as I’m sure it could be done quicker but I can respect your argument. I made the exact same point to you two days ago but you didn't accept it. Well at least you do now. I’m entitled to have my favourites  On a serious note I don’t disagree with the theory of what’s been said but I’m not sure the reality backs that up. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 20, 2024 8:42:33 GMT
Because if one of your main witnesses is a police officer who faces a complaint against them for the way they behaved during the incident, you need to first investigate the police officer. Otherwise the defence barrister will tear the prosecution’s case to pieces. Which is why we let justice run its course and the investigation proceed. Just like everything in life, some things are more complex and take more time than others. But if this case takes the average length of time, it will be 83 weeks from offence to trial. We are currently at week 19 or so. Have patience. Fair play a good post. I don’t totally agree with the length of time as I’m sure it could be done quicker but I can respect your argument. So you know, I got the length of time from here: www.police.uk/pu/your-area/greater-manchester-police/performance/case-length/It is old data (crucially, pre covid), and so the 83 weeks has likely increased probably quite significantly since then. But it is demonstrative of the time it takes. It could be done quicker with more resources, of course. Hopefully the investigation into the police is over next month (which is the timeframe Wannabe quoted) and then the CPS should be in a much better position in terms of a charging decision and case progression. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 20, 2024 9:02:41 GMT
Fair play a good post. I don’t totally agree with the length of time as I’m sure it could be done quicker but I can respect your argument. So you know, I got the length of time from here: www.police.uk/pu/your-area/greater-manchester-police/performance/case-length/It is old data (crucially, pre covid), and so the 83 weeks has likely increased probably quite significantly since then. But it is demonstrative of the time it takes. It could be done quicker with more resources, of course. Hopefully the investigation into the police is over next month (which is the timeframe Wannabe quoted) and then the CPS should be in a much better position in terms of a charging decision and case progression. No problem with your (or big W’s) posts or your source’s as they’re well written arguments. That said they are a guide and I’m sure that on a number of occasions there’ve been cases that have taken longer or been quicker to process. In relation to the 2 males I’m still unsure with the overwhelming evidence why they weren’t charged and remanded as regardless of the officers actions their initial behaviour was clearly before the officers. Likewise as I’ve said there’s been plenty of examples recently where people have been remanded due to the concerns of them reoffending or being a threat to the community or not returning on bail. |
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