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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 20, 2024 12:06:36 GMT
So you know, I got the length of time from here: www.police.uk/pu/your-area/greater-manchester-police/performance/case-length/It is old data (crucially, pre covid), and so the 83 weeks has likely increased probably quite significantly since then. But it is demonstrative of the time it takes. It could be done quicker with more resources, of course. Hopefully the investigation into the police is over next month (which is the timeframe Wannabe quoted) and then the CPS should be in a much better position in terms of a charging decision and case progression. No problem with your (or big W’s) posts or your source’s as they’re well written arguments. That said they are a guide and I’m sure that on a number of occasions there’ve been cases that have taken longer or been quicker to process. In relation to the 2 males I’m still unsure with the overwhelming evidence why they weren’t charged and remanded as regardless of the officers actions their initial behaviour was clearly before the officers. Likewise as I’ve said there’s been plenty of examples recently where people have been remanded due to the concerns of them reoffending or being a threat to the community or not returning on bail. As frustrating as this whole debacle is its a process that has to be gone through if we're to assure the correct convictions, whether that be the copper for stamping on the lads head or the 2 lads vicious assault. But I'll make one prediction, judging by the 2 lads fighting ability they are no strangers to extreme violence. And I fully expect that in time will be fully revealed.. |
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Post by Mendicant on Nov 20, 2024 13:52:19 GMT
The way to punish them is to send them to the departures lounge in Terminal 3 for a couple of hours. It makes Guantanamo look like the Wacky Warehouse.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 20, 2024 17:56:25 GMT
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/17/nigel-farage-richard-tice-manchester-airport-police-attack/Here's the Telegraph article. It does feel like a TV show on Dave at this point, complete with Harry Hill as narrator. "In this episode of Two Tier Kiers Most Wanted, two men are caught violently punching police officers and you won't believe the level of polite telling off they receive followed by their crowd funder. But first on TTKs Most Wanted, we doorstep a man who dared post a meme with a mildly offensive message. Don't you worry, the police are sending in armed units to deal with this filth. Merry Christmas? Not for this Nazi as he's unlikely to see it for the next five years!! Remember kids, if you ever want to post an offensive meme, punch a police officer instead" At the end of the day, you can't fault mad Nige for capitalising on the opportunity. The CPS, now more politicised than ever before, seem unwilling to take any action. These two lads alongside the violent police officer should have been dealt with months ago.... The case simply isn't that complex and they've dealt with hundreds of cases lately so there doesn't seem to be a backlog. We're several months on and it's very hard to see them prosecuting the two lads. I assume the police officer is still suspended while they drag out the inevitable public disciplinary and subsequent sacking. He is finished and rightly so, his behaviour was unhinged. At this point, the two lads involved are likely to given some sort of reward I assume? A Two Tier Badge? A leather bound copy of the Labour Manifesto? Perhaps they can get a lift home from their compensation hearing from that guy released early who was picked up from prison in a Lamborghini. You just keep paying your taxes in full like a good little sheep, while we increase tuition fees for your kids. And to think I keep fucking voting for them. See my above posts. You don’t understand how criminal procedure works. You don’t understand how criminal justice works. You don’t understand how the separation of powers in this country works. Anyone who wants these men to face justice will be against Reform taking action because it could jeopardise the criminal investigations. All of those things are true therefore I'm against it. However you can see why people are frustrated, no? |
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Post by metalhead on Nov 20, 2024 17:57:10 GMT
Sorry.... What case? There doesn't seem to be a case to prejudice. Ongoing investigation, you know full well what I mean. I hope you are wrong. The men involved do need prosecuting and if newUKIP are fucking that up, they shouldn't. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 20, 2024 18:20:05 GMT
See my above posts. You don’t understand how criminal procedure works. You don’t understand how criminal justice works. You don’t understand how the separation of powers in this country works. Anyone who wants these men to face justice will be against Reform taking action because it could jeopardise the criminal investigations. All of those things are true therefore I'm against it. However you can see why people are frustrated, no? No, not in the slightest. There has been no delay. There is no evidence of political interference whatsoever (other than by Reform). People are just finding a reason to be angry at Starmer (who is entirely unrelated to this incident) because he has introduced a few measures against the rich and powerful, and those rich and powerful own our press and media and so report on him negatively. Poor Viscount Rothermere has lost his non-dom status after all! The Barclay brothers wouldn’t want any of their £7bn mostly place offshore in tax havens to be taxed! They need to persuade us plebs that Starmer is trouble, else he will keep slightly taxing richer people more and improving public services. That’s no use to a billionaire. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 21, 2024 20:05:54 GMT
Regardless of the outcome of this case the way and absolute speed that Starmer went out of his way to charge and jail the rioters and tweeters after Southport whilst this case “looks” dormant ensures this debate and argument rages on.
If the government can get involved with Southport they can exert the same influence over this case.
Just like most things since Labour came to power the optics don’t look good
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 21, 2024 20:33:07 GMT
Regardless of the outcome of this case the way and absolute speed that Starmer went out of his way to charge and jail the rioters and tweeters after Southport whilst this case “looks” dormant ensures this debate and argument rages on. If the government can get involved with Southport they can exert the same influence over this case. Just like most things since Labour came to power the optics don’t look good It's also quite worrying how lenient the punishments for paedophiles have become since the current government were elected. |
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Post by sticky on Nov 21, 2024 22:11:29 GMT
Regardless of the outcome of this case the way and absolute speed that Starmer went out of his way to charge and jail the rioters and tweeters after Southport whilst this case “looks” dormant ensures this debate and argument rages on. If the government can get involved with Southport they can exert the same influence over this case. Just like most things since Labour came to power the optics don’t look good It's also quite worrying how lenient the punishments for paedophiles have become since the current government were elected. Did you see that case the other day in Oxford (I’m sure you find it) a paedo teacher watching horrific videos and doesn’t go jail. Disgraceful |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 21, 2024 22:17:17 GMT
It's also quite worrying how lenient the punishments for paedophiles have become since the current government were elected. Did you see that case the other day in Oxford (I’m sure you find it) a paedo teacher watching horrific videos and doesn’t go jail. Disgraceful Having a collection of videos of babies being raped isn't worth a jail sentence. God forbid you'd say something nasty on your social media account though. |
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Post by sticky on Nov 21, 2024 22:20:03 GMT
Did you see that case the other day in Oxford (I’m sure you find it) a paedo teacher watching horrific videos and doesn’t go jail. Disgraceful Having a collection of videos of babies being raped isn't worth a jail sentence. God forbid you'd say something nasty on your social media account though. Never right that mate, should be making an example of the dirty bastard |
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 21, 2024 22:26:11 GMT
Regardless of the outcome of this case the way and absolute speed that Starmer went out of his way to charge and jail the rioters and tweeters after Southport whilst this case “looks” dormant ensures this debate and argument rages on. If the government can get involved with Southport they can exert the same influence over this case. Just like most things since Labour came to power the optics don’t look good Salop we've been told by the Oatcake resident judge, jury, armed-police and lawyers it takes 82 weeks mate. We all need to chill apparently. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 21, 2024 22:34:05 GMT
Regardless of the outcome of this case the way and absolute speed that Starmer went out of his way to charge and jail the rioters and tweeters after Southport whilst this case “looks” dormant ensures this debate and argument rages on. If the government can get involved with Southport they can exert the same influence over this case. Just like most things since Labour came to power the optics don’t look good Starmer asked the justice system to move quickly to prevent riots across the country and damage to local communities and businesses. That exactly the right thing to do, and it worked. He didn’t start charging people or getting involved in individual cases, obviously. Starmer did his job. He did it well and stopped more local businesses and people from suffering. This assault is not as important as the stabbings, murders and rapes that have occurred in Manchester since. Why should this case be prioritised over those? The optics would not look good if the government got involved in individual criminal cases because it would give the defence the best possible arguments to get the defendants off. The optics would be terrible, as would the rape victims asking why an assault was prioritised over their case. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 21, 2024 22:47:31 GMT
Regardless of the outcome of this case the way and absolute speed that Starmer went out of his way to charge and jail the rioters and tweeters after Southport whilst this case “looks” dormant ensures this debate and argument rages on. If the government can get involved with Southport they can exert the same influence over this case. Just like most things since Labour came to power the optics don’t look good Starmer asked the justice system to move quickly to prevent riots across the country and damage to local communities and businesses. That exactly the right thing to do, and it worked. He didn’t start charging people or getting involved in individual cases, obviously. Starmer did his job. He did it well and stopped more local businesses and people from suffering. This assault is not as important as the stabbings, murders and rapes that have occurred in Manchester since. Why should this case be prioritised over those? The optics would not look good if the government got involved in individual criminal cases because it would give the defence the best possible arguments to get the defendants off. The optics would be terrible, as would the rape victims asking why an assault was prioritised over their case. I see what you’re saying but there does seem a lot of double standards around re the way crimes are reported and political interference, where if initial reports were more balanced riots could have been prevented. Maybe some sort of gagging order should have been put on. - The incredibly unbalanced reporting of the Manchester incident where only the officers reaction were initially shown. No suggestion that there had been totally unprovoked assaults by the “victim” and his friend till after riots had occurred. - The stoking up of racial hatred by Corbyn, Abbot and Khan after the Chris Kaba shooting and the portrayal by mainstream media of him as a loving family man. It’s a shame he wasn’t so keen to address the balance there. Instead choosing to let it roll. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 22, 2024 0:09:56 GMT
Starmer asked the justice system to move quickly to prevent riots across the country and damage to local communities and businesses. That exactly the right thing to do, and it worked. He didn’t start charging people or getting involved in individual cases, obviously. Starmer did his job. He did it well and stopped more local businesses and people from suffering. This assault is not as important as the stabbings, murders and rapes that have occurred in Manchester since. Why should this case be prioritised over those? The optics would not look good if the government got involved in individual criminal cases because it would give the defence the best possible arguments to get the defendants off. The optics would be terrible, as would the rape victims asking why an assault was prioritised over their case. I see what you’re saying but there does seem a lot of double standards around re the way crimes are reported and political interference, where if initial reports were more balanced riots could have been prevented. Maybe some sort of gagging order should have been put on. - The incredibly unbalanced reporting of the Manchester incident where only the officers reaction was initially shown. No suggestion that there had been totally unprovoked assaults by the “victim” and his friend till after riots had occurred. - The stoking up of racial hatred by Corbyn, Abbot and Khan after the Chris Kaba shooting and the portrayal by mainstream media of him as a loving family man. It’s a shame he wasn’t so keen to address the balance there. Instead choosing to let it roll. It seems to me you have more of an issue of how the Media reported the Manchester Airport incident which was not to your liking. I accept that's what you believe but I fail to see how this has anything to do with Starmer/Government You talk about gagging the Press which would be a D Notice and used for reasons of National Security, if Starmer had done this he would correctly be called out for it. There are methods to complain to OfCom for inaccurate or reckless reporting Why your conflating the Kaba incident with Manchester I'm not sure but you're calling out remarks by Corbyn who was at the time was suspended by the Labour Party, Khan who although a Labour Party Member Starmer has no authority over and Abbott it's always hard to determine whether she is in or out. The last major rioting in UK happened in 2011 in Bridgewater after the Police Shooting of Mark Duggan. If you wish I can link outrageous articles particularly by the Daily Mail and Sun which had to be retracted and apologized for. Swift "Justice" was metered out with more than 3,000 convictions amounting to more than 1,800 years of imprisonment. Duggans Family had to wait not for a Trial but an Inquest for 3 years (not the currently 4 months) The IPCC were forced to admit they gave false information to the "Media" which I repeat seems to be your main preoccupation. Eventually the Met Police settled with the Duggan Family a Civil Suit for an "Undisclosed Amount" for the shooting of Mark Duggan There are a lot more details I can't be bothered to post about, I'm quite sure you are aware of them. |
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Post by elystokie on Nov 22, 2024 3:22:43 GMT
I see what you’re saying but there does seem a lot of double standards around re the way crimes are reported and political interference, where if initial reports were more balanced riots could have been prevented. Maybe some sort of gagging order should have been put on. - The incredibly unbalanced reporting of the Manchester incident where only the officers reaction was initially shown. No suggestion that there had been totally unprovoked assaults by the “victim” and his friend till after riots had occurred. - The stoking up of racial hatred by Corbyn, Abbot and Khan after the Chris Kaba shooting and the portrayal by mainstream media of him as a loving family man. It’s a shame he wasn’t so keen to address the balance there. Instead choosing to let it roll. It seems to me you have more of an issue of how the Media reported the Manchester Airport incident which was not to your liking. I accept that's what you believe but I fail to see how this has anything to do with Starmer/Government You talk about gagging the Press which would be a D Notice and used for reasons of National Security, if Starmer had done this he would correctly be called out for it. There are methods to complain to OfCom for inaccurate or reckless reporting Why your conflating the Kaba incident with Manchester I'm not sure but you're calling out remarks by Corbyn who was at the time was suspended by the Labour Party, Khan who although a Labour Party Member Starmer has no authority over and Abbott it's always hard to determine whether she is in or out. The last major rioting in UK happened in 2011 in Bridgewater after the Police Shooting of Mark Duggan. If you wish I can link outrageous articles particularly by the Daily Mail and Sun which had to be retracted and apologized for. Swift "Justice" was metered out with more than 3,000 convictions amounting to more than 1,800 years of imprisonment. Duggans Family had to wait not for a Trial but an Inquest for 3 years (not the currently 4 months) The IPCC were forced to admit they gave false information to the "Media" which I repeat seems to be your main preoccupation. Eventually the Met Police settled with the Duggan Family a Civil Suit for an "Undisclosed Amount" for the shooting of Mark Duggan There are a lot more details I can't be bothered to post about, I'm quite sure you are aware of them. The Daily Mail lying? Surely not! 😂🤦 |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 22, 2024 5:58:53 GMT
It seems to me you have more of an issue of how the Media reported the Manchester Airport incident which was not to your liking. I accept that's what you believe but I fail to see how this has anything to do with Starmer/Government You talk about gagging the Press which would be a D Notice and used for reasons of National Security, if Starmer had done this he would correctly be called out for it. There are methods to complain to OfCom for inaccurate or reckless reporting Why your conflating the Kaba incident with Manchester I'm not sure but you're calling out remarks by Corbyn who was at the time was suspended by the Labour Party, Khan who although a Labour Party Member Starmer has no authority over and Abbott it's always hard to determine whether she is in or out. The last major rioting in UK happened in 2011 in Bridgewater after the Police Shooting of Mark Duggan. If you wish I can link outrageous articles particularly by the Daily Mail and Sun which had to be retracted and apologized for. Swift "Justice" was metered out with more than 3,000 convictions amounting to more than 1,800 years of imprisonment. Duggans Family had to wait not for a Trial but an Inquest for 3 years (not the currently 4 months) The IPCC were forced to admit they gave false information to the "Media" which I repeat seems to be your main preoccupation. Eventually the Met Police settled with the Duggan Family a Civil Suit for an "Undisclosed Amount" for the shooting of Mark Duggan There are a lot more details I can't be bothered to post about, I'm quite sure you are aware of them. The Daily Mail lying? Surely not! 😂🤦 Everyone has an agenda. I’m sure for differing reasons the 2 biggest anti police rags are the Mail and the Guardian which of course are at totally different ends of the spectrum. To his credit Andy Burnham was the first to step up re Manchester. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 22, 2024 7:39:36 GMT
Starmer asked the justice system to move quickly to prevent riots across the country and damage to local communities and businesses. That exactly the right thing to do, and it worked. He didn’t start charging people or getting involved in individual cases, obviously. Starmer did his job. He did it well and stopped more local businesses and people from suffering. This assault is not as important as the stabbings, murders and rapes that have occurred in Manchester since. Why should this case be prioritised over those? The optics would not look good if the government got involved in individual criminal cases because it would give the defence the best possible arguments to get the defendants off. The optics would be terrible, as would the rape victims asking why an assault was prioritised over their case. I see what you’re saying but there does seem a lot of double standards around re the way crimes are reported and political interference, where if initial reports were more balanced riots could have been prevented. Maybe some sort of gagging order should have been put on. - The incredibly unbalanced reporting of the Manchester incident where only the officers reaction were initially shown. No suggestion that there had been totally unprovoked assaults by the “victim” and his friend till after riots had occurred. - The stoking up of racial hatred by Corbyn, Abbot and Khan after the Chris Kaba shooting and the portrayal by mainstream media of him as a loving family man. It’s a shame he wasn’t so keen to address the balance there. Instead choosing to let it roll. I agree. None of the videos of the airport assaults should have been released at all. I don’t know how they came out. Obviously not Starmer’s fault and then the curse of social media struck where everyone had made up their mind either way. Imagine if we had a thread on here for every violent assault occurring throughout the country!? This is one of many and it should not be prioritised or rushed or politicised. The police and CPS etc just need to be free to get on with their jobs. And for any politician to say Kaba was anything, family man or a drug dealer, would have jeopardised the trial. The jury were not told about his background because that would have influenced their decision. Again, not Starmer’s fault. There is an obsession by right thinking people to link everything that happens to Starmer. He can’t be held responsible for Khan or Abbott or Corbyn or Reform politicising crimes mid investigation. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 22, 2024 7:41:13 GMT
Regardless of the outcome of this case the way and absolute speed that Starmer went out of his way to charge and jail the rioters and tweeters after Southport whilst this case “looks” dormant ensures this debate and argument rages on. If the government can get involved with Southport they can exert the same influence over this case. Just like most things since Labour came to power the optics don’t look good Salop we've been told by the Oatcake resident judge, jury, armed-police and lawyers it takes 82 weeks mate. We all need to chill apparently. Why is this assault more important than rapes and murders? |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 22, 2024 7:49:49 GMT
I see what you’re saying but there does seem a lot of double standards around re the way crimes are reported and political interference, where if initial reports were more balanced riots could have been prevented. Maybe some sort of gagging order should have been put on. - The incredibly unbalanced reporting of the Manchester incident where only the officers reaction were initially shown. No suggestion that there had been totally unprovoked assaults by the “victim” and his friend till after riots had occurred. - The stoking up of racial hatred by Corbyn, Abbot and Khan after the Chris Kaba shooting and the portrayal by mainstream media of him as a loving family man. It’s a shame he wasn’t so keen to address the balance there. Instead choosing to let it roll. I agree. None of the videos of the airport assaults should have been released at all. I don’t know how they came out. Obviously not Starmer’s fault and then the curse of social media struck where everyone had made up their mind either way. Imagine if we had a thread on here for every violent assault occurring throughout the country!? This is one of many and it should not be prioritised or rushed or politicised. The police and CPS etc just need to be free to get on with their jobs. And for any politician to say Kaba was anything, family man or a drug dealer, would have jeopardised the trial. The jury were not told about his background because that would have influenced their decision. Again, not Starmer’s fault. There is an obsession by right thinking people to link everything that happens to Starmer. He can’t be held responsible for Khan or Abbott or Corbyn or Reform politicising crimes mid investigation. Fair point however in relation to the 3 aforementioned in the case of Khan and Abbott and at the time Corbyn don’t they represent his party. Isn’t it his responsibility to take them to task over their behaviour in such matters where they’re clearly fanning the flames. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 22, 2024 7:56:34 GMT
I agree. None of the videos of the airport assaults should have been released at all. I don’t know how they came out. Obviously not Starmer’s fault and then the curse of social media struck where everyone had made up their mind either way. Imagine if we had a thread on here for every violent assault occurring throughout the country!? This is one of many and it should not be prioritised or rushed or politicised. The police and CPS etc just need to be free to get on with their jobs. And for any politician to say Kaba was anything, family man or a drug dealer, would have jeopardised the trial. The jury were not told about his background because that would have influenced their decision. Again, not Starmer’s fault. There is an obsession by right thinking people to link everything that happens to Starmer. He can’t be held responsible for Khan or Abbott or Corbyn or Reform politicising crimes mid investigation. Fair point however in relation to the 3 aforementioned in the case of Khan and Abbott and at the time Corbyn don’t they represent his party. Isn’t it his responsibility to take them to task over their behaviour in such matters where they’re clearly fanning the flames. Perhaps. I don’t know what they said exactly or what happened about it. Abbott I know was suspended from the party for some time and Corbyn is not a member anymore. Clearly Starmer isn’t a big fan of either anymore. Khan is a very successful Labour leader who can pretty much do and say what he wants. It would be political suicide for Starmer to take him (or Burnham) on publicly. It doesn’t mean he can’t/shouldn’t have had a strong word with him behind closed doors though. Perhaps he did and that influenced why Khan u turned and apologised to the officer and thanked him for his work. Who knows. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 22, 2024 8:06:47 GMT
Fair point however in relation to the 3 aforementioned in the case of Khan and Abbott and at the time Corbyn don’t they represent his party. Isn’t it his responsibility to take them to task over their behaviour in such matters where they’re clearly fanning the flames. Perhaps. I don’t know what they said exactly or what happened about it. Abbott I know was suspended from the party for some time and Corbyn is not a member anymore. Clearly Starmer isn’t a big fan of either anymore. Khan is a very successful Labour leader who can pretty much do and say what he wants. It would be political suicide for Starmer to take him (or Burnham) on publicly. It doesn’t mean he can’t/shouldn’t have had a strong word with him behind closed doors though. Perhaps he did and that influenced why Khan u turned and apologised to the officer and thanked him for his work. Who knows. If he did it was certainly through gritted teeth having seen this. 04:00 |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 22, 2024 8:33:13 GMT
Regardless of the outcome of this case the way and absolute speed that Starmer went out of his way to charge and jail the rioters and tweeters after Southport whilst this case “looks” dormant ensures this debate and argument rages on. If the government can get involved with Southport they can exert the same influence over this case. Just like most things since Labour came to power the optics don’t look good It's also quite worrying how lenient the punishments for paedophiles have become since the current government were elected. Don’t get me going on this. We have a pedo in our village convicted of making child porn class A-C. Rumour has it they were of his own grandkids. Given the usual rehabilitation order blah, blah, blah by magistrates court when he should clearly be locked away. He now lives back in the village creating unease in the road he lives in. |
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Post by elystokie on Nov 22, 2024 9:18:26 GMT
The Daily Mail lying? Surely not! 😂🤦 Everyone has an agenda. I’m sure for differing reasons the 2 biggest anti police rags are the Mail and the Guardian which of course are at totally different ends of the spectrum. To his credit Andy Burnham was the first to step up re Manchester. You can see why the Ofcom poll showed that people simply struggle to believe them. Like with all liars, you're in position where you don't know what to believe and that's obviously why they're best avoided. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 22, 2024 9:21:51 GMT
Perhaps. I don’t know what they said exactly or what happened about it. Abbott I know was suspended from the party for some time and Corbyn is not a member anymore. Clearly Starmer isn’t a big fan of either anymore. Khan is a very successful Labour leader who can pretty much do and say what he wants. It would be political suicide for Starmer to take him (or Burnham) on publicly. It doesn’t mean he can’t/shouldn’t have had a strong word with him behind closed doors though. Perhaps he did and that influenced why Khan u turned and apologised to the officer and thanked him for his work. Who knows. If he did it was certainly through gritted teeth having seen this. 04:00 Khans arrogance is quite something to behold. His demeanour and the way he speaks are unbelievably nauseating. A horrid little man. |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 22, 2024 11:16:30 GMT
It's also quite worrying how lenient the punishments for paedophiles have become since the current government were elected. Don’t get me going on this. We have a pedo in our village convicted of making child porn class A-C. Rumour has it they were of his own grandkids. Given the usual rehabilitation order blah, blah, blah by magistrates court when he should clearly be locked away. He now lives back in the village creating unease in the road he lives in. Be careful what you say about him, else you’ll be locked up for a hate crime. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 22, 2024 11:26:41 GMT
Regardless of the outcome of this case the way and absolute speed that Starmer went out of his way to charge and jail the rioters and tweeters after Southport whilst this case “looks” dormant ensures this debate and argument rages on. If the government can get involved with Southport they can exert the same influence over this case. Just like most things since Labour came to power the optics don’t look good S tarmer asked the justice system to move quickly to prevent riots across the country and damage to local communities and businesses. That exactly the right thing to do, and it worked. He didn’t start charging people or getting involved in individual cases, obviously. Starmer did his job. He did it well and stopped more local businesses and people from suffering. This assault is not as important as the stabbings, murders and rapes that have occurred in Manchester since. Why should this case be prioritised over those? The optics would not look good if the government got involved in individual criminal cases because it would give the defence the best possible arguments to get the defendants off. The optics would be terrible, as would the rape victims asking why an assault was prioritised over their case. i believe it he did to exert his authority over the "far right" sorting out the manchester case just as quick also stops anybody with the same far right tendancies getting involved in all sorts of far right shit such as rioting etc the optics suggest no parity so Starmer deserves the critisism he is getting. there will be people jailed and released before the manchester lot get done due to the government getting involved in those criminal cases all people are asking is the government either take no action or they treat everyone equally |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 22, 2024 12:06:00 GMT
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 22, 2024 12:53:29 GMT
Don’t get me going on this. We have a pedo in our village convicted of making child porn class A-C. Rumour has it they were of his own grandkids. Given the usual rehabilitation order blah, blah, blah by magistrates court when he should clearly be locked away. He now lives back in the village creating unease in the road he lives in. Be careful what you say about him, else you’ll be locked up for a hate crime. I’m joint admin for our village Facebook page and he was outed on it by a vigilante type who gave full details of address, car reg and his movements. We took it down and banned the "vigilante" and admin have now been accused on Facebook of supporting the pedo. Plus we have people now trying to join from all over the shop not just local people who it’s designed for. We’ve made the decision to close new applicants for a few weeks until it all blows over. Had he been banged up this wouldn’t be an issue. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 22, 2024 13:00:00 GMT
I see what you’re saying but there does seem a lot of double standards around re the way crimes are reported and political interference, where if initial reports were more balanced riots could have been prevented. Maybe some sort of gagging order should have been put on. - The incredibly unbalanced reporting of the Manchester incident where only the officers reaction were initially shown. No suggestion that there had been totally unprovoked assaults by the “victim” and his friend till after riots had occurred. - The stoking up of racial hatred by Corbyn, Abbot and Khan after the Chris Kaba shooting and the portrayal by mainstream media of him as a loving family man. It’s a shame he wasn’t so keen to address the balance there. Instead choosing to let it roll.
Obviously not Starmer’s fault and then the curse of social media struck where everyone had made up their mind either way. Imagine if we had a thread on here for every violent assault occurring throughout the country!? This is one of many and it should not be prioritised or rushed or politicised. The police and CPS etc just need to be free to get on with their jobs. And for any politician to say Kaba was anything, family man or a drug dealer, would have jeopardised the trial. The jury were not told about his background because that would have influenced their decision. Again, not Starmer’s fault. There is an obsession by right thinking people to link everything that happens to Starmer. He can’t be held responsible for Khan or Abbott or Corbyn or Reform politicising crimes mid investigation. The IOPC are Criminally investigating whether someone working for GMP leaked the CCTV footage to the Manchester Evening News MEN while an active Police Investigation was taking place. The investigation is as a result of GMP referring the matter to IOPC. The IOPC requested MEN to disclose who leaked the CCTV footage but they refused as they are legally entitled to do. It doesn't take a genius to work out what has happened and the concern that GMP/IOPC have that the leaking of the CCTV footage could jeopardise any future prosecution |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 22, 2024 13:19:57 GMT
S tarmer asked the justice system to move quickly to prevent riots across the country and damage to local communities and businesses. That exactly the right thing to do, and it worked. He didn’t start charging people or getting involved in individual cases, obviously. Starmer did his job. He did it well and stopped more local businesses and people from suffering. This assault is not as important as the stabbings, murders and rapes that have occurred in Manchester since. Why should this case be prioritised over those? The optics would not look good if the government got involved in individual criminal cases because it would give the defence the best possible arguments to get the defendants off. The optics would be terrible, as would the rape victims asking why an assault was prioritised over their case. i believe it he did to exert his authority over the "far right" sorting out the manchester case just as quick also stops anybody with the same far right tendancies getting involved in all sorts of far right shit such as rioting etc the optics suggest no parity so Starmer deserves the critisism he is getting. there will be people jailed and released before the manchester lot get done due to the government getting involved in those criminal cases all people are asking is the government either take no action or they treat everyone equally Well we were told repeatedly the rioters weren’t “far right”. The PM has a responsibility to protect citizens and businesses and communities. That’s what Starmer did. No doubt all those critical of him for trying to stop the riots wouldn’t be so critical had they been just stop oil protesters. The government is treating everyone equally. They don’t get involved in specific cases. If there was a series of police being assaulted in airports across the country, would you not want Starmer to do what he could to stop the assaults? I would. A one off is a one off and is different. I ask you, and those critical of Starmer for not interfering with this case, why is this assault more important to you than rape and murder cases and why are you not asking Starmer to intervene in those? |
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