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Post by thornestein on Sept 30, 2024 7:56:21 GMT
This Head Coach and Director of Football crap clearly isn't working for us. It's just resulting in manager after manager throwing shit against the wall, with a poorly recruited squad, and seeing what sticks. Get a proper manager in, who chooses his players. Like Rowett? Jones? Neil? there was ppl on here calling for the DoF model for years and i always questioned why , i’ve never seen it be successful in the championship ( maybe Norwich for a spell) , but we can’t get either model to work so understand why they’re trying it |
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Post by starkiller on Sept 30, 2024 8:17:03 GMT
This Head Coach and Director of Football crap clearly isn't working for us. It's just resulting in manager after manager throwing shit against the wall, with a poorly recruited squad, and seeing what sticks. Get a proper manager in, who chooses his players. Like Rowett? Jones? Neil? Well let's not be fooled by titles of manager and head coach. We were heading towards this set up back then, with Cartwright having most sway with transfers. Not to excuse Rowett and Jones both having input, and being shit, mind. |
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Post by andromeda on Sept 30, 2024 8:34:43 GMT
Professionalism? I actually think any dealings I’ve had with the Club over the years have been excellent, so no change there. In terms of noticeable things done (Fanzone, Delilah’s revamp, new lights, training ground upgrade) don’t they fall under the remit of Richard Smith in terms of buildings? If so, they may have been in the planning for years for all we know. The only tangible things I see are the Season Ticket evenings (which I think are a great idea if they are his idea) and the Fans Connect thing. But I can’t comment on the fans thing as I’m struggling to see how that is any different from the Fan Council. I also see reports of lots of good, local people like Adrian Hurst losing their jobs for not being yes men. Can you bring yourself to question that? But anyway my point was is he the best we could do. We have the money, let’s just get the best. So who would suggest is “the best” and for interest can you detail their achievements above and beyond what Simon King has implemented or may be implementing. Cheers We like to take managers from other Clubs so why can’t we take a CEO? I don’t think he had done that before (might be wrong) so what qualified him for the top job? It’s not for me to say who that person is as I don’t mix in the football boardroom circles!! Care to comment on getting rid of local staff with a brilliant reputation because they weren’t yes men? Or is that not a problem? |
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 30, 2024 8:38:26 GMT
So who would suggest is “the best” and for interest can you detail their achievements above and beyond what Simon King has implemented or may be implementing. Cheers We like to take managers from other Clubs so why can’t we take a CEO? I don’t think he had done that before (might be wrong) so what qualified him for the top job? It’s not for me to say who that person is as I don’t mix in the football boardroom circles!! Care to comment on getting rid of local staff with a brilliant reputation because they weren’t yes men? Or is that not a problem? How do we know they're brilliant though? In what way weren't they yes men? We've been saying for years the whole club needed a shake up. |
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 30, 2024 8:39:21 GMT
Like Rowett? Jones? Neil? Well let's not be fooled by titles of manager and head coach. We were heading towards this set up back then, with Cartwright having most sway with transfers. Not to excuse Rowett and Jones both having input, and being shit, mind. Our first couple of signings enforced on a manager were Brek Shea and Maurice Edu. We should have binned the idea there and then! |
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 30, 2024 8:40:40 GMT
Like Rowett? Jones? Neil? Well let's not be fooled by titles of manager and head coach. We were heading towards this set up back then, with Cartwright having most sway with transfers. Not to excuse Rowett and Jones both having input, and being shit, mind. Is that the Rowett who chose Benny over Che Adams or threatened to walk over the signing of Ryan fucking Woods? |
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 30, 2024 8:46:00 GMT
Professionalism? I actually think any dealings I’ve had with the Club over the years have been excellent, so no change there. In terms of noticeable things done (Fanzone, Delilah’s revamp, new lights, training ground upgrade) don’t they fall under the remit of Richard Smith in terms of buildings? If so, they may have been in the planning for years for all we know. The only tangible things I see are the Season Ticket evenings (which I think are a great idea if they are his idea) and the Fans Connect thing. But I can’t comment on the fans thing as I’m struggling to see how that is any different from the Fan Council. I also see reports of lots of good, local people like Adrian Hurst losing their jobs for not being yes men. Can you bring yourself to question that? But anyway my point was is he the best we could do. We have the money, let’s just get the best. At least we've got a light show to look forward to on Wednesday night, stop moaning. The Light Show before the Shite Show? |
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Post by starkiller on Sept 30, 2024 9:07:41 GMT
At least we've got a light show to look forward to on Wednesday night, stop moaning. The Light Show before the Shite Show? It would be better during the game. In fact, it would be better with the lights off. |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 30, 2024 9:21:05 GMT
Like Rowett? Jones? Neil? there was ppl on here calling for the DoF model for years and i always questioned why , i’ve never seen it be successful in the championship ( maybe Norwich for a spell) , but we can’t get either model to work so understand why they’re trying it They’re not trying it it’s window dressing. The GOD manager is now just holding the title of SD. He’s being allowed to do literally anything he sees fit. There simply is no consistent vision/blueprint for a TD/SD/DoF to implement because the owner hasn’t got any consistent vision or thoughts on the game . |
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 30, 2024 9:24:07 GMT
The Light Show before the Shite Show? It would be better during the game. In fact, it would be better with the lights off. To be honest, if I was advising the club, I'd say leave the light show on Wednesday. |
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 30, 2024 9:35:51 GMT
It would be better during the game. In fact, it would be better with the lights off. To be honest, if I was advising the club, I'd say leave the light show on Wednesday. Shadow puppets would be good. |
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Post by skip on Sept 30, 2024 9:56:22 GMT
The Light Show before the Shite Show? It would be better during the game. In fact, it would be better with the lights off. The lights are great but they could be a little better choreographed instead of it looking like some twat button smashing through the colour wheel. ON! OFF! ON! OFF! |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 30, 2024 10:19:39 GMT
So who would suggest is “the best” and for interest can you detail their achievements above and beyond what Simon King has implemented or may be implementing. Cheers We like to take managers from other Clubs so why can’t we take a CEO? I don’t think he had done that before (might be wrong) so what qualified him for the top job? It’s not for me to say who that person is as I don’t mix in the football boardroom circles!! Care to comment on getting rid of local staff with a brilliant reputation because they weren’t yes men? Or is that not a problem? I think Simon King has a graduated experience for the role he is in, with WBA for 4/5 years I think. Onto your second point with reference to local staff which is in the plural. I’m only aware that Adrian Hurst has left the club after many years service. I don’t know the gentleman, the manner in which he or reasons why, to that end I can’t comment. As you’ve used the plural (because they) and alleged “they” weren’t “yes men” I imagine you mix in those circles that have related first hand knowledge. I’ll understand if you’re reluctant to, or can’t expand upon the reasons for their leaving for reasons of privacy. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 30, 2024 10:36:12 GMT
It's been said many times,he just needs to sit back,bring in someone like MON,Mowbray,who can help whoever is in charge of the players,then let them get on with it.
The only time he needs to be heard is if he has to sack someone or celebrate a promotion or cup win.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 30, 2024 10:41:10 GMT
The Light Show before the Shite Show? It would be better during the game. In fact, it would be better with the lights off. Lol 😁 😆 🤣 Great idea, mad flashing lights all game to confuse the opposition, with the crowd all singing lets all have a disco, nah nah nah nah 🎵 🎶 Would surely raise the fans spirits 😉 |
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Post by andromeda on Sept 30, 2024 11:00:08 GMT
We like to take managers from other Clubs so why can’t we take a CEO? I don’t think he had done that before (might be wrong) so what qualified him for the top job? It’s not for me to say who that person is as I don’t mix in the football boardroom circles!! Care to comment on getting rid of local staff with a brilliant reputation because they weren’t yes men? Or is that not a problem? I think Simon King has a graduated experience for the role he is in, with WBA for 4/5 years I think. Onto your second point with reference to local staff which is in the plural. I’m only aware that Adrian Hurst has left the club after many years service. I don’t know the gentleman, the manner in which he or reasons why, to that end I can’t comment. As you’ve used the plural (because they) and alleged “they” weren’t “yes men” I imagine you mix in those circles that have related first hand knowledge. I’ll understand if you’re reluctant to, or can’t expand upon the reasons for their leaving for reasons of privacy. I’ve had dealings with the community through work over the years and met Adrian amongst others on many occasions. I can’t believe they have let him go and from others I have spoken to there are lots of good people who have left since he came in. The only thing I was told was that morale is at an all time low and everyone is watching their back in a toxic environment. |
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 30, 2024 11:13:01 GMT
It's been said many times,he just needs to sit back,bring in someone like MON,Mowbray,who can help whoever is in charge of the players,then let them get on with it. The only time he needs to be heard is if he has to sack someone or celebrate a promotion or cup win. Isn't that what he has done bringing in Walters? |
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Post by thornestein on Sept 30, 2024 11:16:45 GMT
there was ppl on here calling for the DoF model for years and i always questioned why , i’ve never seen it be successful in the championship ( maybe Norwich for a spell) , but we can’t get either model to work so understand why they’re trying it They’re not trying it it’s window dressing. The GOD manager is now just holding the title of SD. He’s being allowed to do literally anything he sees fit. There simply is no consistent vision/blueprint for a TD/SD/DoF to implement because the owner hasn’t got any consistent vision or thoughts on the game . most owners haven’t , ppl on here want coates hand over control of the club to someone who knows what he’s doing , unfortunately we’ve given the power to someone with hardly and experience and who’s a bit of a narcissist |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 30, 2024 11:57:37 GMT
It's been said many times,he just needs to sit back,bring in someone like MON,Mowbray,who can help whoever is in charge of the players,then let them get on with it. The only time he needs to be heard is if he has to sack someone or celebrate a promotion or cup win. Isn't that what he has done bringing in Walters? But someone with a lot more experience, |
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 1, 2024 9:55:41 GMT
Heard a very concerning story over the weekend of a member of staff who worked in some kind of sales role for the club.
He'd built up a large commission as he was saving for a house I believe, anyway as he's coming to the time to cash in the commission the club have offered him a new role, with a very minuscule pay rise but told him words to the effect that he either accepts the role or there will be no job for him.
So he's accepted the role and because it's started a new contract, they've somehow managed to null and void the commission he'd earned.
The club is fucking rotten.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 1, 2024 10:02:53 GMT
Isn't that what he has done bringing in Walters? But someone with a lot more experience, What experience do MON and Mowbray have in a DoF role? Mowbray should have been approached for the manager role. |
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Post by andromeda on Oct 1, 2024 10:08:18 GMT
Heard a very concerning story over the weekend of a member of staff who worked in some kind of sales role for the club. He'd built up a large commission as he was saving for a house I believe, anyway as he's coming to the time to cash in the commission the club have offered him a new role, with a very minuscule pay rise but told him words to the effect that he either accepts the role or there will be no job for him. So he's accepted the role and because it's started a new contract, they've somehow managed to null and void the commission he'd earned. The club is fucking rotten. Sounds about right 🙄 People seem to think just Walters is the problem but we are a shit show on and off the pitch. No wonder we think it can’t get any worse and then it does. The Coates family couldn’t get a senior appointment right if it was smacking them in the face. |
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Post by skip on Oct 1, 2024 11:09:41 GMT
Heard a very concerning story over the weekend of a member of staff who worked in some kind of sales role for the club. He'd built up a large commission as he was saving for a house I believe, anyway as he's coming to the time to cash in the commission the club have offered him a new role, with a very minuscule pay rise but told him words to the effect that he either accepts the role or there will be no job for him. So he's accepted the role and because it's started a new contract, they've somehow managed to null and void the commission he'd earned. The club is fucking rotten. If that is true - and I have no reason to suspect otherwise - this is appalling. Stoke City (via the Giants of Internet Based Gambling) are awash with money and should honour contracts for all non-playing staff. |
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Post by anchorman on Oct 1, 2024 11:14:00 GMT
But someone with a lot more experience, What experience do MON and Mowbray have in a DoF role? Mowbray should have been approached for the manager role. Mowbray shouldn't be approached for any role whatsoever. |
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Post by anchorman on Oct 1, 2024 11:14:58 GMT
Ps I can't stomach the bloke and if he rocks up here, I'm gone.
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Post by skip on Oct 1, 2024 11:19:08 GMT
Ps I can't stomach the bloke and if he rocks up here, I'm gone. He hates Stoke with a passion doesn't he? Will never happen. On the other hand, I have it on good authority that Neil Warnock has a niggling respect for Stoke, which is a bit weird considering cold water gate. |
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Post by a on Oct 1, 2024 11:29:54 GMT
I wonder if we should’ve gone with a more renowned coach/manager who the players will look up to and who can give them a ticket when needed (ie now!)
I’m hoping it just needs time for pelach to get his methods across and that the players buy into it.
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Post by anchorman on Oct 1, 2024 11:34:02 GMT
Ps I can't stomach the bloke and if he rocks up here, I'm gone. He hates Stoke with a passion doesn't he? Will never happen. On the other hand, I have it on good authority that Neil Warnock has a niggling respect for Stoke, which is a bit weird considering cold water gate. See above |
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Post by onepara on Oct 1, 2024 11:36:51 GMT
Heard a very concerning story over the weekend of a member of staff who worked in some kind of sales role for the club. He'd built up a large commission as he was saving for a house I believe, anyway as he's coming to the time to cash in the commission the club have offered him a new role, with a very minuscule pay rise but told him words to the effect that he either accepts the role or there will be no job for him. So he's accepted the role and because it's started a new contract, they've somehow managed to null and void the commission he'd earned. The club is fucking rotten. Unless you know this to be true, with evidence, you shouldn't be peddling it. This sort of thing does the 'Family' no favours, & puts them in a bad light. You may/could be leaving yourself open to a case of libel. |
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Oct 1, 2024 11:48:33 GMT
Heard a very concerning story over the weekend of a member of staff who worked in some kind of sales role for the club. He'd built up a large commission as he was saving for a house I believe, anyway as he's coming to the time to cash in the commission the club have offered him a new role, with a very minuscule pay rise but told him words to the effect that he either accepts the role or there will be no job for him. So he's accepted the role and because it's started a new contract, they've somehow managed to null and void the commission he'd earned. The club is fucking rotten. Unless you know this to be true, with evidence, you shouldn't be peddling it. This sort of thing does the 'Family' no favours, & puts them in a bad light. You may/could be leaving yourself open to a case of libel. Agree. Also it sounds like if this story is true then the person in question could've sought legal advice and would've had a strong case against the club. |
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