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Post by Gods on Sept 29, 2024 17:34:34 GMT
You make a good point. Tony Scholes was different class to anyone we have had since. Little wonder the Premier League wanted his services. His departure was the biggest single factor in our demise. Do we even have a Chief Executive any more? Nobody does revisionism quite like our fanbase. It really is quite remarkable. š
Not from me, sure he was a pantomime villain, but anyone with an ounce of sense could see he knew what he was doing. Won Chief Exec of the year didn't he? The Premier League didn't stand on ceremony when they knew he was available. Tells you all you need to know. |
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Post by sutt on Sept 29, 2024 17:44:48 GMT
I canāt defend John Coates and any of his decisions in the past 8 years, but who is actually going to buy the club?
Have they not made it almost unsellable by owning the training ground, stadium etc? Whose going to afford it?
My hope is he sees sense, steps away from the leadership, and he gets 3-4 with some experience to run the club.
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Post by sutt on Sept 29, 2024 17:46:18 GMT
Itās going to be interesting if it does get to the point when Pelach has to go as Walters will surely have to go as well?
Is John strong enough to make that decision? I doubt he is. Worrying times.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 29, 2024 17:53:52 GMT
This Head Coach and Director of Football crap clearly isn't working for us.
It's just resulting in manager after manager throwing shit against the wall, with a poorly recruited squad, and seeing what sticks.
Get a proper manager in, who chooses his players.
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Post by andromeda on Sept 29, 2024 18:02:10 GMT
Nailed it. Said this the other day but the people in the top positions seem incapable of getting any decisions right. Maybe TS protected the fan base from the Coates family as they certainly werenāt as prominent as they are now. What gets me is they have all this money so literally get the BEST people. Get the best CEO you can attract. Get the best technical director you can attract. Donāt just settle for cheap blaggers or ex players. What made them think Ricky Martin was a good fit? Jonathan Walters? Simon King? Literally what have any of these achieved in the game? Doesnāt strike me as the best we could get with the money we have and now JC has nowhere to hide as these are all his appointments. Do you actually know what Simon Kingās role within the club is? Sacking a load of people who didnāt agree with him? |
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Post by Waggy on Sept 29, 2024 18:03:54 GMT
Last season I would have said without Coates money we would be terrible and in dire straits now Iām beginning to question that and we are now terrible and in dire straits. I actually was thinking two weeks ago with a new centre half and a midfielder who can battle we will be ok and hopefully get em in January but now Iām thinking ā oh shit, we need about 6 new players. Itās only two weeks but I feel all hope is destroyed. I really hope this new man can turn this around or else I fear the worst.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Sept 29, 2024 18:04:07 GMT
Do you actually know what Simon Kingās role within the club is? Sacking a load of people who didnāt agree with him? š |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 29, 2024 18:10:56 GMT
I find chanting/posting Coates out will do the biz
It will make someone buy the club
Until then
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 29, 2024 18:18:06 GMT
Do you actually know what Simon Kingās role within the club is? Sacking a load of people who didnāt agree with him? Simon K has had a huge positive impact in everything commercial off the pitch which is his whole and sole remit . Heās probably more pissed off and frustrated than anyone that his peer group are making his job of raising revenues much much harder . |
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Post by ladsinredandwhite on Sept 29, 2024 18:32:25 GMT
I find chanting/posting Coates out will do the biz It will make someone buy the club Until then Or a protest outside of that nice office building in sunny Etruria so his sister takes away his spending allowance for his toy and forces him to sell |
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 29, 2024 18:34:11 GMT
This Head Coach and Director of Football crap clearly isn't working for us. It's just resulting in manager after manager throwing shit against the wall, with a poorly recruited squad, and seeing what sticks. Get a proper manager in, who chooses his players. There is only one man for this job now. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 29, 2024 18:36:00 GMT
I find chanting/posting Coates out will do the biz It will make someone buy the club Until then Or a protest outside of that nice office building in sunny Etruria so his sister takes away his spending allowance for his toy and forces him to sell I remember the taking your seat 15 minutes late protest someone organised for a TV game v Bradford. I think about 8 people joined in. Really forced his hand. I always think placards help...Am sure those involved read them and think...you know, that sign is right. I should be out |
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Post by questionable on Sept 29, 2024 18:38:36 GMT
This Head Coach and Director of Football crap clearly isn't working for us. It's just resulting in manager after manager throwing shit against the wall, with a poorly recruited squad, and seeing what sticks. Get a proper manager in, who chooses his players. Give it a few weeks and I can Shawcross back on the touch line |
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Post by clivey05 on Sept 29, 2024 18:39:01 GMT
John Coates primary job as owner is to find and appoint the best in class for every role underneath him to create a successful football club and unfortunately he is not getting better at making these decisions he is getting worse!!
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 29, 2024 18:50:09 GMT
And do you trust the bozos in the boardroom to get that right? I certainly don't. Iām not saying theyāve not made lots of mistakes but eventually iām sure weāll stumble across the right man. The throw enough shit against a wall approach hasn't exactly been a success for them. If you want a model of how not to run a football club, we have clearly picked up the baton from Sunderland. |
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 29, 2024 18:52:17 GMT
Nobody does revisionism quite like our fanbase. It really is quite remarkable. š
Not from me, sure he was a pantomime villain, but anyone with an ounce of sense could see he knew what he was doing. Won Chief Exec of the year didn't he? The Premier League didn't stand on ceremony when they knew he was available. Tells you all you need to know. Jesus wept. In my experience, the winners of industry gongs are the least effective and brownest tongued of their peers. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 29, 2024 18:53:23 GMT
This Head Coach and Director of Football crap clearly isn't working for us. It's just resulting in manager after manager throwing shit against the wall, with a poorly recruited squad, and seeing what sticks. Get a proper manager in, who chooses his players. There is only one man for this job now. He's retired. Not allowed to talk about him on here it would seem... |
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 29, 2024 18:53:42 GMT
John Coates primary job as owner is to find and appoint the best in class for every role underneath him to create a successful football club and unfortunately he is not getting better at making these decisions he is getting worse!! He's also meant to inspire and lead those below him. Not stumble round like Little Lord Fontleroy in a sweet shop. |
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Post by skip on Sept 29, 2024 19:37:15 GMT
Coates is a Hugh Stoke fan,so if he wants what's best for the club,he either has to get help,or find someone else who is willing to take the club on. I believe that he is a Man Utd fan. Happy to have evidence presented to the contrary. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 29, 2024 19:41:34 GMT
Coates is a Hugh Stoke fan,so if he wants what's best for the club,he either has to get help,or find someone else who is willing to take the club on. I believe that he is a Man Utd fan. Happy to have evidence to the contrary. John Coates like other Stoke fans I know may have gone to watch The Shit on occasion but he's definitely a Stoke fan,used to go to games with other fans during Macari either |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 29, 2024 20:05:23 GMT
This Head Coach and Director of Football crap clearly isn't working for us. It's just resulting in manager after manager throwing shit against the wall, with a poorly recruited squad, and seeing what sticks. Get a proper manager in, who chooses his players. We've had a proper DoF since Walters took on the role and he's sacked one HC. Every other manager we have had since relegation as been a God manager - it's that that hasn't worked, not the DoF/HC model. It's way too early to claim it isn't working. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 29, 2024 20:20:31 GMT
The Coates family don't need to sell up (we need them) but they need to pay what it takes to get someone proven in to run it all so all they have to do is bankroll it all and not interfere.
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Post by skip on Sept 30, 2024 0:22:17 GMT
The Coates family don't need to sell up (we need them) but they need to pay what it takes to get someone proven in to run it all so all they have to do is bankroll it all and not interfere. But when the boss thinks he's good enough to run it then you're in a pickle. Like we are. |
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Post by tuum on Sept 30, 2024 0:48:26 GMT
The clubs demise has come since Tony Scholes has left the club, as much as he was hated on here itās quite clear that he was probably the mastermind around the day to day running of the club and since he has gone and the restructuring of the club we just havenāt had the right people in place. A lot of the time the trigger has been pulled far too quickly in recent times, since mark hughes sacking who should have gone a lot sooner we are still rueing that decision. For all the faults at the club at the moment there are some positives, we just donāt need yes men in the club. You make a good point. Tony Scholes was different class to anyone we have had since. Little wonder the Premier League wanted his services. His departure was the biggest single factor in our demise. Do we even have a Chief Executive any more? His departure was the best thing that happened for Stoke City. Never rated Tony Scholes and thought he lacked any kind of creative thinking. Just an overpaid bland admin man for me. He was very much a part of our demise. I was glad when he left. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 30, 2024 4:04:35 GMT
Do you actually know what Simon Kingās role within the club is? Sacking a load of people who didnāt agree with him? So you canāt bring it upon yourself to say that there has been a massive transformation around the clubs professionalism in off the field activities/consultation with and for supporters since his arrival? Massive transformation from almost ZERO |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 30, 2024 4:06:05 GMT
You make a good point. Tony Scholes was different class to anyone we have had since. Little wonder the Premier League wanted his services. His departure was the biggest single factor in our demise. Do we even have a Chief Executive any more? His departure was the best thing that happened for Stoke City. Never rated Tony Scholes and thought he lacked any kind of creative thinking. Just an overpaid bland admin man for me. He was very much a part of our demise. I was glad when he left. ā¬ļø. He did employ Mark Cartwright donāt forget ššš |
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Post by andromeda on Sept 30, 2024 7:28:18 GMT
Sacking a load of people who didnāt agree with him? So you canāt bring it upon yourself to say that there has been a massive transformation around the clubs professionalism in off the field activities/consultation with and for supporters since his arrival? Massive transformation from almost ZERO Professionalism? I actually think any dealings Iāve had with the Club over the years have been excellent, so no change there. In terms of noticeable things done (Fanzone, Delilahās revamp, new lights, training ground upgrade) donāt they fall under the remit of Richard Smith in terms of buildings? If so, they may have been in the planning for years for all we know. The only tangible things I see are the Season Ticket evenings (which I think are a great idea if they are his idea) and the Fans Connect thing. But I canāt comment on the fans thing as Iām struggling to see how that is any different from the Fan Council. I also see reports of lots of good, local people like Adrian Hurst losing their jobs for not being yes men. Can you bring yourself to question that? But anyway my point was is he the best we could do. We have the money, letās just get the best. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 30, 2024 7:34:29 GMT
So you canāt bring it upon yourself to say that there has been a massive transformation around the clubs professionalism in off the field activities/consultation with and for supporters since his arrival? Massive transformation from almost ZERO Professionalism? I actually think any dealings Iāve had with the Club over the years have been excellent, so no change there. In terms of noticeable things done (Fanzone, Delilahās revamp, new lights, training ground upgrade) donāt they fall under the remit of Richard Smith in terms of buildings? If so, they may have been in the planning for years for all we know. The only tangible things I see are the Season Ticket evenings (which I think are a great idea if they are his idea) and the Fans Connect thing. But I canāt comment on the fans thing as Iām struggling to see how that is any different from the Fan Council. I also see reports of lots of good, local people like Adrian Hurst losing their jobs for not being yes men. Can you bring yourself to question that? But anyway my point was is he the best we could do. We have the money, letās just get the best. So who would suggest is āthe bestā and for interest can you detail their achievements above and beyond what Simon King has implemented or may be implementing. Cheers |
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 30, 2024 7:35:09 GMT
So you canāt bring it upon yourself to say that there has been a massive transformation around the clubs professionalism in off the field activities/consultation with and for supporters since his arrival? Massive transformation from almost ZERO Professionalism? I actually think any dealings Iāve had with the Club over the years have been excellent, so no change there. In terms of noticeable things done (Fanzone, Delilahās revamp, new lights, training ground upgrade) donāt they fall under the remit of Richard Smith in terms of buildings? If so, they may have been in the planning for years for all we know. The only tangible things I see are the Season Ticket evenings (which I think are a great idea if they are his idea) and the Fans Connect thing. But I canāt comment on the fans thing as Iām struggling to see how that is any different from the Fan Council. I also see reports of lots of good, local people like Adrian Hurst losing their jobs for not being yes men. Can you bring yourself to question that? But anyway my point was is he the best we could do. We have the money, letās just get the best. At least we've got a light show to look forward to on Wednesday night, stop moaning. |
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Post by pez75 on Sept 30, 2024 7:51:42 GMT
This Head Coach and Director of Football crap clearly isn't working for us. It's just resulting in manager after manager throwing shit against the wall, with a poorly recruited squad, and seeing what sticks. Get a proper manager in, who chooses his players. Like Rowett? Jones? Neil? |
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