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Post by LphPotter on Sept 29, 2024 9:51:42 GMT
They have backed this club in the Championship, more than any other club has been backed. We've simply had staff not up to the job, who've taken them for a ride. They’ve employed them all! |
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Post by starkiller on Sept 29, 2024 9:58:43 GMT
They have backed this club in the Championship, more than any other club has been backed. We've simply had staff not up to the job, who've taken them for a ride. He’s employed them all! That can be solved. And let's hope it is. Replacing multibillionaire owners for a club languishing at the bottom of the Championship, maybe not so easy. |
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Post by pretzel on Sept 29, 2024 10:15:23 GMT
Anyone remember that character Dick Emery used to play? I can't get the image of Jon Coates using his famous catch phrase out of my head
"Daaad.... I got it wrong again"
*Edit* I've just noticed Waggy's Trevor makes an appearance at the end of this video
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Post by stokie1947 on Sept 29, 2024 11:13:16 GMT
Coates will never sell up personally i wish he would the bloke just hasn't got a clue about football we have had 7+ crap seasons with him in charge how many more crap years have we got to put up with
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Post by thepottypotter on Sept 29, 2024 11:38:19 GMT
They have backed this club in the Championship, more than any other club has been backed. We've simply had staff not up to the job, who've taken them for a ride. They’ve employed them all! Exactly!! In any business the buck stops at the top. Coates has to go. |
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Post by stokietickerz2 on Sept 29, 2024 15:20:00 GMT
The clubs demise has come since Tony Scholes has left the club, as much as he was hated on here it’s quite clear that he was probably the mastermind around the day to day running of the club and since he has gone and the restructuring of the club we just haven’t had the right people in place.
A lot of the time the trigger has been pulled far too quickly in recent times, since mark hughes sacking who should have gone a lot sooner we are still rueing that decision.
For all the faults at the club at the moment there are some positives, we just don’t need yes men in the club.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 29, 2024 15:31:40 GMT
The clubs demise has come since Tony Scholes has left the club, as much as he was hated on here it’s quite clear that he was probably the mastermind around the day to day running of the club and since he has gone and the restructuring of the club we just haven’t had the right people in place. A lot of the time the trigger has been pulled far too quickly in recent times, since mark hughes sacking who should have gone a lot sooner we are still rueing that decision. For all the faults at the club at the moment there are some positives, we just don’t need yes men in the club. He oversaw the demise and masterminded the disastrous first season down after his root and branch review. All for a million quid a year. And then fucked off. He was a clown who got too comfortable and couldn't hack it when the going got tough. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 29, 2024 15:33:12 GMT
I’m not sure it’d be a good thing unless we get someone who’s equally as wealthy taking over.
For all the mess on the pitch financially we’re very stable which is very rare in these difficult times.
I think the things that’s done us more than anything is initially bad management between the tail end of Hughes reign and Rowetts appointment.
Since then we’ve been trying to play catch-up but with huge FFP restrictions.
I have no doubt that if we could spend what we wanted we’d been in a far better place than we are now because it would be easier to put our signing mistakes right by buying less high risk players and gambles and outmuscling other clubs on wages and fees.
Since FFP has hamstrung us we’re simply making do and taking chances on unproven players. To date with the odd exception that just hasn’t worked.
Until FFP changes we’ll continue to struggle because we can’t buy ourselves out of this mess and we’ll continue to struggle to get the right men in.
That said John Coates is making a lot of duff appointments so should take some responsibility.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 29, 2024 15:33:32 GMT
They’ve employed them all! Exactly!! In any business the buck stops at the top. Coates has to go. He won't go. He owns the club and the shareholders are his family. His family used every trick in the book to get the club and they aren't going to give it up. |
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 29, 2024 15:35:32 GMT
I’m not sure it’d be a good thing unless we get someone who’s equally as wealthy taking over. For all the mess on the pitch financially we’re very stable which is very rare in these difficult times. I think the things that’s done us more than anything is initially bad management between the tail end of Hughes reign and Rowetts appointment. Since then we’ve been trying to play catch-up but with huge FFP restrictions. I have no doubt that if we could spend what we wanted we’d been in a far better place than we are now because it would be easier to put our signing mistakes right by buying less high risk players and gambles and outmuscling other clubs on wages and fees. Since FFP has hamstrung us we’re simply making do and taking chances on unproven players. To date with the odd exception that just hasn’t worked. Until FFP changes we’ll continue to struggle because we can’t buy ourselves out of this mess and we’ll continue to struggle to get the right men in. We couldn't buy our way out of this mess even when we were allowed to. Have you forgotten Rowett pissing away £50m on utter shite? |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 29, 2024 16:18:26 GMT
I’m not sure it’d be a good thing unless we get someone who’s equally as wealthy taking over. For all the mess on the pitch financially we’re very stable which is very rare in these difficult times. I think the things that’s done us more than anything is initially bad management between the tail end of Hughes reign and Rowetts appointment. Since then we’ve been trying to play catch-up but with huge FFP restrictions. I have no doubt that if we could spend what we wanted we’d been in a far better place than we are now because it would be easier to put our signing mistakes right by buying less high risk players and gambles and outmuscling other clubs on wages and fees. Since FFP has hamstrung us we’re simply making do and taking chances on unproven players. To date with the odd exception that just hasn’t worked. Until FFP changes we’ll continue to struggle because we can’t buy ourselves out of this mess and we’ll continue to struggle to get the right men in. We couldn't buy our way out of this mess even when we were allowed to. Have you forgotten Rowett pissing away £50m on utter shite? It’s all about getting the right man in. |
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 29, 2024 16:20:08 GMT
We couldn't buy our way out of this mess even when we were allowed to. Have you forgotten Rowett pissing away £50m on utter shite? It’s all about getting the right man in. And do you trust the bozos in the boardroom to get that right? I certainly don't. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 29, 2024 16:26:05 GMT
It’s all about getting the right man in. And do you trust the bozos in the boardroom to get that right? I certainly don't. I’m not saying they’ve not made lots of mistakes but eventually i’m sure we’ll stumble across the right man. |
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Post by Davef on Sept 29, 2024 16:29:07 GMT
And do you trust the bozos in the boardroom to get that right? I certainly don't. I’m not saying they’ve not made lots of mistakes but eventually i’m sure we’ll stumble across the right man. The odds aren't good though are they? In nearly 40 years between them as chairman, how many times have they found the "right man"? |
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Post by premieraj on Sept 29, 2024 16:30:53 GMT
I’m not saying they’ve not made lots of mistakes but eventually i’m sure we’ll stumble across the right man. The odds aren't good though are they? In nearly 40 years between them as chairman, how many times have they found the "right man"? Pulis and actually Hughes so not bad 2 in 40 years lol 😂 |
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Post by jm on Sept 29, 2024 16:36:10 GMT
Off the pitch the match day experience has improved, training facilities have improved and are being improved further, we're nurturing some top talent through our academy, young players playing international football, the stadium has been improved, free coach travel for away games, the club has zero debt and owns its own ground again. Easy to forget when we're playing crap and losing a few. We'd be Port Vale mk2 without an owner with money.
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Post by premieraj on Sept 29, 2024 16:38:10 GMT
Off the pitch the match day experience has improved, training facilities have improved and are being improved further, we're nurturing some top talent through our academy, young players playing international football, the stadium has been improved, free coach travel for away games, the club has zero debt and owns its own ground again. Easy to forget when we're playing crap and losing a few. We'd be Port Vale mk2 without an owner with money. Has the new first team training centre stated at Clayton? I thought it was September? |
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Post by Davef on Sept 29, 2024 16:39:12 GMT
Off the pitch the match day experience has improved, training facilities have improved and are being improved further, we're nurturing some top talent through our academy, young players playing international football, the stadium has been improved, free coach travel for away games, the club has zero debt and owns its own ground again. Easy to forget when we're playing crap and losing a few. We'd be Port Vale mk2 without an owner with money. Yet if we don't get our act together we could be playing in the same league as them next season. That would be unforgivable. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 29, 2024 16:40:44 GMT
Replacing the owner would take some time, in the meantime Walters and Pelach would continue. To get rid of all three at the same time would be madness.
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Post by Gods on Sept 29, 2024 16:47:08 GMT
The clubs demise has come since Tony Scholes has left the club, as much as he was hated on here it’s quite clear that he was probably the mastermind around the day to day running of the club and since he has gone and the restructuring of the club we just haven’t had the right people in place. A lot of the time the trigger has been pulled far too quickly in recent times, since mark hughes sacking who should have gone a lot sooner we are still rueing that decision. For all the faults at the club at the moment there are some positives, we just don’t need yes men in the club. You make a good point. Tony Scholes was different class to anyone we have had since. Little wonder the Premier League wanted his services. His departure was the biggest single factor in our demise. Do we even have a Chief Executive any more? |
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Post by premieraj on Sept 29, 2024 16:48:51 GMT
No but we have sporting director, ops director, financial director and premises chap.
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Post by jm on Sept 29, 2024 16:52:45 GMT
Off the pitch the match day experience has improved, training facilities have improved and are being improved further, we're nurturing some top talent through our academy, young players playing international football, the stadium has been improved, free coach travel for away games, the club has zero debt and owns its own ground again. Easy to forget when we're playing crap and losing a few. We'd be Port Vale mk2 without an owner with money. Yet if we don't get our act together we could be playing in the same league as them next season. That would be unforgivable. Very true - could be worse (1991)  |
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 29, 2024 16:54:15 GMT
The clubs demise has come since Tony Scholes has left the club, as much as he was hated on here it’s quite clear that he was probably the mastermind around the day to day running of the club and since he has gone and the restructuring of the club we just haven’t had the right people in place. A lot of the time the trigger has been pulled far too quickly in recent times, since mark hughes sacking who should have gone a lot sooner we are still rueing that decision. For all the faults at the club at the moment there are some positives, we just don’t need yes men in the club. You make a good point. Tony Scholes was different class to anyone we have had since. Little wonder the Premier League wanted his services. His departure was the biggest single factor in our demise. Do we even have a Chief Executive any more? Nobody does revisionism quite like our fanbase. It really is quite remarkable. 😅 |
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Post by onepara on Sept 29, 2024 16:59:17 GMT
Well, Bayern started this thread because he knows that it's a controversial subject. He doesn't have an answer though, does he! Apart from 'Let's get some new owners'. Like they are queuing up. He just lights the blue touch paper, then 'retires'.
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Post by andromeda on Sept 29, 2024 17:05:49 GMT
The clubs demise has come since Tony Scholes has left the club, as much as he was hated on here it’s quite clear that he was probably the mastermind around the day to day running of the club and since he has gone and the restructuring of the club we just haven’t had the right people in place. A lot of the time the trigger has been pulled far too quickly in recent times, since mark hughes sacking who should have gone a lot sooner we are still rueing that decision. For all the faults at the club at the moment there are some positives, we just don’t need yes men in the club. You make a good point. Tony Scholes was different class to anyone we have had since. Little wonder the Premier League wanted his services. His departure was the biggest single factor in our demise. Do we even have a Chief Executive any more? Nailed it. Said this the other day but the people in the top positions seem incapable of getting any decisions right. Maybe TS protected the fan base from the Coates family as they certainly weren’t as prominent as they are now. What gets me is they have all this money so literally get the BEST people. Get the best CEO you can attract. Get the best technical director you can attract. Don’t just settle for cheap blaggers or ex players. What made them think Ricky Martin was a good fit? Jonathan Walters? Simon King? Literally what have any of these achieved in the game? Doesn’t strike me as the best we could get with the money we have and now JC has nowhere to hide as these are all his appointments. |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 29, 2024 17:06:32 GMT
And do you trust the bozos in the boardroom to get that right? I certainly don't. I’m not saying they’ve not made lots of mistakes but eventually i’m sure we’ll stumble across the right man. It’s actually not about getting the “right man” in at all. The men we employ have been right enough at other clubs. And that will continue to be the case before and after they falter and flounder at Stoke. The idea that Coates is just bad at choosing coaches or managers is part of the issue. It doesn’t address a problem that clearly runs much deeper. |
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 29, 2024 17:23:14 GMT
You get one, possibly two chances of a quick return back to the Prem with parachute money. Rowett blew that, which was reckless allowing a man with little experience blow the money.
After that it is very much a lottery depending on landing the right manager, who can manage the playing assets effectively. We have clearly got that wrong as well, as each manager sacked has not exactly set the world alight wherever they have gone.
The chances of promotion with 3 out of 2 dozen going up are slim, particularly as there are 3 relegated sides with strong squads and pots of money in the mix. Then there is the "vibes" at the club. If the atmosphere is good, winning is easier than the converse. It is noticeable how many teams promoted from League 1 go on to be promoted, which I suggest is because the "vibes" are good, even a club with poor assets like Luton. Bigger clubs like Sheff. Utd. have a belief in returning to the big time, which Stoke would if we got relegated and then promoted back to the Championship. Those promoted clubs often take up a play off place, further reducing the chances of an "ever present" club like Stoke. On balance I think a club like Stoke has at best got a 1 in 10 chance of being promoted, probably less.
We should not get too dishearten, although that is difficult after what we witnessed yesterday. How many relegated Prem. clubs go straight through the trap door of the Championship to L1? If we do get promoted there is a 1 in 3 or higher probability of a dire season and immediate relegation! I know a Boro fan who prefers to watch his team in the Championship; there is always a chance of winning, whoever the opposition is, unlike being in the Prem when half the teams are holding on in half their games trying to avoid a thrashing. We were very lucky during that period of 3 successive top ten finishes, only the big 6 clubs can do that, not even Everton.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 29, 2024 17:29:23 GMT
You make a good point. Tony Scholes was different class to anyone we have had since. Little wonder the Premier League wanted his services. His departure was the biggest single factor in our demise. Do we even have a Chief Executive any more? Nailed it. Said this the other day but the people in the top positions seem incapable of getting any decisions right. Maybe TS protected the fan base from the Coates family as they certainly weren’t as prominent as they are now. What gets me is they have all this money so literally get the BEST people. Get the best CEO you can attract. Get the best technical director you can attract. Don’t just settle for cheap blaggers or ex players. What made them think Ricky Martin was a good fit? Jonathan Walters? Simon King? Literally what have any of these achieved in the game? Doesn’t strike me as the best we could get with the money we have and now JC has nowhere to hide as these are all his appointments. Do you actually know what Simon King’s role within the club is? |
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Post by sticky on Sept 29, 2024 17:29:28 GMT
The frustration comes from having ,what on paper looks like an ideal setup.
A billionaire owner, local and a massive Stoke fan.
It’s incredible how they’ve managed to fuck things up this spectacularly. It’s like the football version of brewsters millions
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 29, 2024 17:30:04 GMT
You make a good point. Tony Scholes was different class to anyone we have had since. Little wonder the Premier League wanted his services. His departure was the biggest single factor in our demise. Do we even have a Chief Executive any more? Nailed it. Said this the other day but the people in the top positions seem incapable of getting any decisions right. Maybe TS protected the fan base from the Coates family as they certainly weren’t as prominent as they are now. What gets me is they have all this money so literally get the BEST people. Get the best CEO you can attract. Get the best technical director you can attract. Don’t just settle for cheap blaggers or ex players. What made them think Ricky Martin was a good fit? Jonathan Walters? Simon King? Literally what have any of these achieved in the game? Doesn’t strike me as the best we could get with the money we have and now JC has nowhere to hide as these are all his appointments. Having worked in large organisations all my working life, it can sometimes be the case that the people at the top don't want people "too clever" below them as they see them as a threat , or not able to manage them. They prefer to appoint someone they can keep under control. When Rowett got out of control he was removed. |
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