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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jul 7, 2024 18:46:24 GMT
So France has not "lurched" to the Right It has in fact moved to the Left Oh dear, how sad, nevermind. It clearly has, they’ve been stitched up good and proper. Cracking skullduggery mind* *never supported World of Twist 'Stitched up' - also known as democracy. In summary, 2024 Vichy France has been halted but the cost will be a politically uncertain coalition of sorts.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 7, 2024 18:48:09 GMT
It clearly has, they’ve been stitched up good and proper. Cracking skullduggery mind* *never supported World of Twist Politically, you're not having a good few days, Badge 😉 I don’t do politics as you know😉
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 7, 2024 18:59:03 GMT
Politically, you're not having a good few days, Badge 😉 I don’t do politics as you know😉 😄
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Post by gawa on Jul 7, 2024 19:14:32 GMT
All feels a bit overstated to me and as if it's being used by the media to try and capture people's attention and make it into a bigger thing that it is. And that it was.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 7, 2024 19:34:23 GMT
All feels a bit overstated to me and as if it's being used by the media to try and capture people's attention and make it into a bigger thing that it is. And that it was. The tendency to call foul by Bardella has some interesting parallels with the US though. Fracture lines in society are becoming increasingly visible. I do feel sooner or later they will boil over unless the fears of both sides are addressed.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 7, 2024 19:36:02 GMT
The tendency to call foul by Bardella has some interesting parallels with the US though. Fracture lines in society are becoming increasingly visible. I do feel sooner or later they will boil over unless the fears of both sides are addressed. And we all know the French people don’t fuck about, I think this could turn nasty on the streets.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 7, 2024 19:38:00 GMT
The tendency to call foul by Bardella has some interesting parallels with the US though. Fracture lines in society are becoming increasingly visible. I do feel sooner or later they will boil over unless the fears of both sides are addressed. It's like a hack on democracy. The republicans have shown that by sowing lies you can really wound faith in democracy. And pro-democracy parties don't respond with lies of their own. It's looking like the republican bet to properly end a free democracy in the USA is gonna die off. I expect Farage, Le Pen, etc to try the same in Europe.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 7, 2024 19:38:18 GMT
The background to the Olympic Games could be interesting
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2024 19:40:02 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 7, 2024 19:48:33 GMT
I love how these establishment elites like Farage, Trump and Le Pen claim to be non-elite. They are the absolute epitome of the establishment. Rich beyond everyone’s wildest dreams (particularly Trump and Farage, not as much Le Pen but she is still very wealthy), because of their parents. Born with silver spoons, never went wanting for anything in life. Le Pen’s the daughter of a politician. How establishment elite is she? Farage studied at Dulwich College, a school founded in 1619, which costs up to £55k per annum just the school fees! Trump is the son of a multimillionaire. Why do the same people in each country fall for their bullshit? They are the establishment, they are the elite. Why do working class people fall for it!?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 7, 2024 19:50:03 GMT
I love how these establishment elites like Farage, Trump and Le Pen claim to be non-elite. They are the absolute epitome of the establishment. Rich beyond everyone’s wildest dreams (particularly Trump and Farage, not as much Le Pen but she is still very wealthy), because of their parents. Born with silver spoons, never went wanting for anything in life. Le Pen’s the daughter of a politician. How establishment elite is she? Farage studied at Dulwich College, a school founded in 1619, which costs up to £55k per annum just the school fees! Trump is the son of a multimillionaire. Why do the same people in each country fall for their bullshit? They are the establishment, they are the elite. Why do working class people fall for it!? Yeh and “my dad was a toolmaker so I know exactly how it feels to have no money”.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 7, 2024 20:23:03 GMT
I love how these establishment elites like Farage, Trump and Le Pen claim to be non-elite. They are the absolute epitome of the establishment. Rich beyond everyone’s wildest dreams (particularly Trump and Farage, not as much Le Pen but she is still very wealthy), because of their parents. Born with silver spoons, never went wanting for anything in life. Le Pen’s the daughter of a politician. How establishment elite is she? Farage studied at Dulwich College, a school founded in 1619, which costs up to £55k per annum just the school fees! Trump is the son of a multimillionaire. Why do the same people in each country fall for their bullshit? They are the establishment, they are the elite. Why do working class people fall for it!? Yeh and “my dad was a toolmaker so I know exactly how it feels to have no money”. Would you say Starmer would be more or less elite if his father was a stockbroker (Farage), a politician (Le Pen) or a billionaire property developer (Trump)?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 7, 2024 20:24:43 GMT
I love how these establishment elites like Farage, Trump and Le Pen claim to be non-elite. They are the absolute epitome of the establishment. Rich beyond everyone’s wildest dreams (particularly Trump and Farage, not as much Le Pen but she is still very wealthy), because of their parents. Born with silver spoons, never went wanting for anything in life. Le Pen’s the daughter of a politician. How establishment elite is she? Farage studied at Dulwich College, a school founded in 1619, which costs up to £55k per annum just the school fees! Trump is the son of a multimillionaire. Why do the same people in each country fall for their bullshit? They are the establishment, they are the elite. Why do working class people fall for it!? It's generally people who "don't do politics" and therefore have little or no understanding of what they're supporting. Or, indeed, getting triggered by.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 7, 2024 20:28:51 GMT
Yeh and “my dad was a toolmaker so I know exactly how it feels to have no money”. Would you say Starmer would be more or less elite if his father was a stockbroker (Farage), a politician (Le Pen) or a billionaire property developer (Trump)? The same
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 7, 2024 20:29:18 GMT
I love how these establishment elites like Farage, Trump and Le Pen claim to be non-elite. They are the absolute epitome of the establishment. Rich beyond everyone’s wildest dreams (particularly Trump and Farage, not as much Le Pen but she is still very wealthy), because of their parents. Born with silver spoons, never went wanting for anything in life. Le Pen’s the daughter of a politician. How establishment elite is she? Farage studied at Dulwich College, a school founded in 1619, which costs up to £55k per annum just the school fees! Trump is the son of a multimillionaire. Why do the same people in each country fall for their bullshit? They are the establishment, they are the elite. Why do working class people fall for it!? It's generally people who "don't do politics" and therefore have little or no understanding of what they're supporting. Or, indeed, getting triggered by. Triggered🤣
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 7, 2024 20:34:51 GMT
Would you say Starmer would be more or less elite if his father was a stockbroker (Farage), a politician (Le Pen) or a billionaire property developer (Trump)? The same Do explain.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 7, 2024 20:43:11 GMT
Kudos to Macron. Literally everyone thought he was mad, and he has massively humbled the right wing in France. He was always going to lose his majority, but he has put down a firm marker to Le Pen to show she is going to find it very hard to win the Presidency.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 7, 2024 20:47:07 GMT
You brought ‘elite’ up not me
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Post by 4372 on Jul 7, 2024 21:00:13 GMT
Seems "The Left" is doing something right, here in the UK, and now in France.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 7, 2024 21:07:45 GMT
Seems "The Left" is doing something right, here in the UK, and now in France. Either that or “the right” are doing something left🤔
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 7, 2024 21:20:31 GMT
Kudos to Macron. Literally everyone thought he was mad, and he has massively humbled the right wing in France. He was always going to lose his majority, but he has put down a firm marker to Le Pen to show she is going to find it very hard to win the Presidency. Been a few posts on here that were already typed and ready to press 'send' that have had to be hastily deleted as well.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 7, 2024 21:28:46 GMT
You brought ‘elite’ up not me You think if your father is a toolmaker it puts you in same part of the elite establishment as if your father is a stockbroker, a billionaire property developer or a politician.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 7, 2024 21:41:14 GMT
Kudos to Macron. Literally everyone thought he was mad, and he has massively humbled the right wing in France. He was always going to lose his majority, but he has put down a firm marker to Le Pen to show she is going to find it very hard to win the Presidency. 'Things you love to see' 🙂
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Post by Gods on Jul 7, 2024 22:02:14 GMT
I'm not sure the centre and left should be too smug.
It only came about because all the parties from the centre right through to the Trotskyist left (with nothing in common) came together to halt the National Rally, for now at least.
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Post by gawa on Jul 7, 2024 22:07:45 GMT
The tendency to call foul by Bardella has some interesting parallels with the US though. Fracture lines in society are becoming increasingly visible. I do feel sooner or later they will boil over unless the fears of both sides are addressed. It's like a hack on democracy. The republicans have shown that by sowing lies you can really wound faith in democracy. And pro-democracy parties don't respond with lies of their own. It's looking like the republican bet to properly end a free democracy in the USA is gonna die off. I expect Farage, Le Pen, etc to try the same in Europe. Not sure who you mean when you say "pro democracy" but given the names mentioned I presume anyone not referred to as "far right". Let's not forget that many people in the Labour party lied about and overstated antisemitism. And then upon evicting the left wing leader elected a new leader on 10 pledges which were lies and he then proceeded to evict more jewish people from the party than past leaders combined but apparently isn't antisemetic.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 7, 2024 22:09:32 GMT
Does this mean migrants will stopping crossing the channel then😊👍
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Post by gawa on Jul 7, 2024 22:23:41 GMT
Yeh and “my dad was a toolmaker so I know exactly how it feels to have no money”. Would you say Starmer would be more or less elite if his father was a stockbroker (Farage), a politician (Le Pen) or a billionaire property developer (Trump)? Michael Foots father was a politician, Lord mayor and a solicitor. Robert Maxwell was born into a poor orthodox Jewish family.
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Post by gawa on Jul 7, 2024 22:26:55 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 7, 2024 22:32:33 GMT
The public were asked whether they want the right wing in government. The answer was no. I wouldn’t call it a victory for Macron but he has weakened the right wing in France, which is good for those who oppose them.
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Post by musik on Jul 7, 2024 22:39:19 GMT
Who won?
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