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Post by greyman on Oct 12, 2018 6:12:23 GMT
Well I could spend the rest of my life arguing that I don't agree with your strawmen, whataboutery, false dichotomies and other fallacious arguments, but I'm going to bed. So that gives you a few hours to work out why any of the stuff you're throwing around like confetti proves that Pulis isn't a cunt and a crook. [Hint: it doesn't] Says 'strawmen' means 'Ive been found out and I'm a hypocrite' Says 'whataboutery' means 'Ive been found out and I'm a hypocrite' Says 'false dichotomies' means 'Ive been found out and I'm a hypocrite' Says 'fallacious arguments' means 'Ive been found out and I'm a hypocrite' Night night! Let's ignore all of this and ask a yes or no question. Is Tony Pulis a crook? No need to mention anybody else, call names or say 'look at that squirrel on Mrs Thompson's roof' or any of the usual stuff. Go on. Yes or no.
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Post by greyman on Oct 12, 2018 6:17:34 GMT
I feel sorry for you Greyman. It must have torn you apart watching us doing so well with a man you despise for many years. Maybe one day we’ll achieve what we achieved with someone that you can tolerate. I really hope so Nope. He did a very good job for us as he has at other clubs. I just think he's a cunt and a crook.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 12, 2018 6:33:10 GMT
Says 'strawmen' means 'Ive been found out and I'm a hypocrite' Says 'whataboutery' means 'Ive been found out and I'm a hypocrite' Says 'false dichotomies' means 'Ive been found out and I'm a hypocrite' Says 'fallacious arguments' means 'Ive been found out and I'm a hypocrite' Night night! Let's ignore all of this and ask a yes or no question. Is Tony Pulis a crook? No need to mention anybody else, call names or say 'look at that squirrel on Mrs Thompson's roof' or any of the usual stuff. Go on. Yes or no. I don't think he's got a criminal record has he? Now your turn and let's get back to your original accisation. Was Coates "In on it" in 2004? Yes or no?
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Post by greyman on Oct 12, 2018 7:01:16 GMT
Let's ignore all of this and ask a yes or no question. Is Tony Pulis a crook? No need to mention anybody else, call names or say 'look at that squirrel on Mrs Thompson's roof' or any of the usual stuff. Go on. Yes or no. I don't think he's got a criminal record has he? Now your turn and let's get back to your original accisation. Was Coates "In on it" in 2004? Yes or no? I thought you were going to do it then but you couldn't bring yourself to do it. The answer is yes by the way. Read the court transcript. In answer to your question, I think he almost certainly was based on what we know. In answer to your next question, I've already answered it. See above.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 12, 2018 7:05:45 GMT
I don't think he's got a criminal record has he? Now your turn and let's get back to your original accisation. Was Coates "In on it" in 2004? Yes or no? I thought you were going to do it then but you couldn't bring yourself to do it. The answer is yes by the way. Read the court transcript. In answer to your question, I think he almost certainly was based on what we know. In answer to your next question, I've already answered it. See above. Do you hate Coates then for the torture of that Boxing Day game that left you with PTSD? Bit weird to let one off isn't it?
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Post by greyman on Oct 12, 2018 7:37:28 GMT
I thought you were going to do it then but you couldn't bring yourself to do it. The answer is yes by the way. Read the court transcript. In answer to your question, I think he almost certainly was based on what we know. In answer to your next question, I've already answered it. See above. Do you hate Coates then for the torture of that Boxing Day game that left you with PTSD? Bit weird to let one off isn't it? As I've just told you, I've already answered that one. And you've just performed a reductio ad absurdum to go with all the other stuff. Let me have a go at your way of arguing. If you think what you do about Pulis, what do you make of Horace Austerberry? You can't have one without the other. And if you think that's ridiculous, then you're a hypocrite. That's how this works isn't it?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 12, 2018 8:12:11 GMT
Do you hate Coates then for the torture of that Boxing Day game that left you with PTSD? Bit weird to let one off isn't it? As I've just told you, I've already answered that one. And you've just performed a reductio ad absurdum to go with all the other stuff. Let me have a go at your way of arguing. If you think what you do about Pulis, what do you make of Horace Austerberry? You can't have one without the other. And if you think that's ridiculous, then you're a hypocrite. That's how this works isn't it? That example is just pure illogical shit. I admit that Pulis played politics with the club it was just it was in cahoots with Coates. I'm just intrigued why you'd want to chase one to the bowels of hell and have seemingly forgiven the other one? I want to know why you're being a big fat hypocrite about it?
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Post by greyman on Oct 12, 2018 8:19:49 GMT
Yes it is illogical shit, isn't it. Which is why I said it, to show you what it's like.
I could keep answering but if you don't like the answer, it's pointless isn't it?
So this really is the last time. I don't pay to watch boardroom spats. And there are a lot more reasons to think Pulis is a nasty piece of work than some plan to move on a regime that had lost interest in the club. If that's all Pulis had ever done, I'd be giving him the same amount of stick I give to Peter Coates - not very much at all.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 12, 2018 8:23:27 GMT
Yes it is illogical shit, isn't it. Which is why I said it, to show you what it's like. I could keep answering but if you don't like the answer, it's pointless isn't it? So this really is the last time. I don't pay to watch boardroom spats. And there are a lot more reasons to think Pulis is a nasty piece of work than some plan to move on a regime that had lost interest in the club. If that's all Pulis had ever done, I'd be giving him the same amount of stick I give to Peter Coates - not very much at all. OK, so you're being a hypocrite. Cheers.
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Post by greyman on Oct 12, 2018 9:54:52 GMT
Yes it is illogical shit, isn't it. Which is why I said it, to show you what it's like. I could keep answering but if you don't like the answer, it's pointless isn't it? So this really is the last time. I don't pay to watch boardroom spats. And there are a lot more reasons to think Pulis is a nasty piece of work than some plan to move on a regime that had lost interest in the club. If that's all Pulis had ever done, I'd be giving him the same amount of stick I give to Peter Coates - not very much at all. OK, so you're being a hypocrite. Cheers. I'm pretty sure I just said I would cut Pulis exactly the same slack I did Peter Coates over one episode. Now I'm going to cut you some because I know you don't have an argument which is why you've had to make one up.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 12, 2018 10:02:03 GMT
I've just had to pop the shop for some more popcorn. Have I missed owt?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 12, 2018 10:49:20 GMT
OK, so you're being a hypocrite. Cheers. I'm pretty sure I just said I would cut Pulis exactly the same slack I did Peter Coates over one episode. Now I'm going to cut you some because I know you don't have an argument which is why you've had to make one up. So you don't hate him for Preston but you do hate him for Preston and Paul Scally and you don't hate Hughes for Chelsea at all! All seems very consistent!
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Post by greyman on Oct 12, 2018 11:11:20 GMT
I'm pretty sure I just said I would cut Pulis exactly the same slack I did Peter Coates over one episode. Now I'm going to cut you some because I know you don't have an argument which is why you've had to make one up. So you don't hate him for Preston but you do hate him for Preston and Paul Scally and you don't hate Hughes for Chelsea at all! All seems very consistent! Look. You've failed and are now resorting to putting words in my mouth. Maybe next time, try another way. wiki.c2.com/?FallaciousArgumentThere's also a really good book called The Art of Being Right by Arthur Schopenhauer which offers all sorts of tips about this sort of thing. Or maybe try being honest and admitting that Pulis is a cunt. Once you've said it, all that cognitive dissonance will just slip away. Now do one
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 11:53:21 GMT
I've just had to pop the shop for some more popcorn. Have I missed owt? There's a planned 'dance' around the statue next home game.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 12, 2018 11:54:51 GMT
So you don't hate him for Preston but you do hate him for Preston and Paul Scally and you don't hate Hughes for Chelsea at all! All seems very consistent! Look. You've failed and are now resorting to putting words in my mouth. Maybe next time, try another way. wiki.c2.com/?FallaciousArgumentThere's also a really good book called The Art of Being Right by Arthur Schopenhauer which offers all sorts of tips about this sort of thing. Or maybe try being honest and admitting that Pulis is a cunt. Once you've said it, all that cognitive dissonance will just slip away. Now do one All are entitled to an opinion, that’s what debate is abouthowever; Isn’t social media great. Anyone can describe someone as a c***t and a crook without fear of retribution. By the way using the term c***t in any conversation/argument is probably the most dispicable word that can be used.
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Post by ParaPsych on Oct 12, 2018 12:07:34 GMT
So you don't hate him for Preston but you do hate him for Preston and Paul Scally and you don't hate Hughes for Chelsea at all! All seems very consistent! Look. You've failed and are now resorting to putting words in my mouth. Maybe next time, try another way. wiki.c2.com/?FallaciousArgumentThere's also a really good book called The Art of Being Right by Arthur Schopenhauer which offers all sorts of tips about this sort of thing. Or maybe try being honest and admitting that Pulis is a cunt. Once you've said it, all that cognitive dissonance will just slip away. Now do one That's all well and good but what's it all got to do with Kitson attacking him with scissors? I've never gone at a cunt with a pair of scissors. Oh hang on.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 12, 2018 12:18:27 GMT
Look. You've failed and are now resorting to putting words in my mouth. Maybe next time, try another way. wiki.c2.com/?FallaciousArgumentThere's also a really good book called The Art of Being Right by Arthur Schopenhauer which offers all sorts of tips about this sort of thing. Or maybe try being honest and admitting that Pulis is a cunt. Once you've said it, all that cognitive dissonance will just slip away. Now do one All are entitled to an opinion, that’s what debate is abouthowever; Isn’t social media great. Anyone can describe someone as a c***t and a crook without fear of retribution. By the way using the term c***t in any conversation/argument is probably the most dispicable word that can be used. Just me and greyers re-fighting the cold war of 2004 (and it was fucking cold against Preston!). My excuse is International week and unfulfilling career choices, not sure about his
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 12:20:29 GMT
Look. You've failed and are now resorting to putting words in my mouth. Maybe next time, try another way. wiki.c2.com/?FallaciousArgumentThere's also a really good book called The Art of Being Right by Arthur Schopenhauer which offers all sorts of tips about this sort of thing. Or maybe try being honest and admitting that Pulis is a cunt. Once you've said it, all that cognitive dissonance will just slip away. Now do one All are entitled to an opinion, that’s what debate is abouthowever; Isn’t social media great. Anyone can describe someone as a c***t and a crook without fear of retribution. By the way using the term c***t in any conversation/argument is probably the most dispicable word that can be used.subjective, don't use it very often but there are plenty of cunts out there so it's nice one to have as an option.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 12, 2018 12:28:09 GMT
I don't think he's got a criminal record has he? Now your turn and let's get back to your original accisation. Was Coates "In on it" in 2004? Yes or no? I thought you were going to do it then but you couldn't bring yourself to do it. The answer is yes by the way. Read the court transcript. In answer to your question, I think he almost certainly was based on what we know. In answer to your next question, I've already answered it. See above. When you refer to the court transcript could you just clarify do you the mean the one where the judge called him a liar over the payments he was trying to extort claiming from Gillingham or the one where the judge called him a liar over the payments he dishonestly received from Crystal Palace
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 12, 2018 12:31:00 GMT
I've just had to pop the shop for some more popcorn. Have I missed owt? There's a planned 'dance' around the statue next home game. It also seems like the bus stops are becoming a favourite venue.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 12, 2018 12:38:05 GMT
I thought you were going to do it then but you couldn't bring yourself to do it. The answer is yes by the way. Read the court transcript. In answer to your question, I think he almost certainly was based on what we know. In answer to your next question, I've already answered it. See above. When you refer to the court transcript could you just clarify do you the mean the one where the judge called him a liar over the payments he was trying to extort claiming from Gillingham or the one where the judge called him a liar over the payments he dishonestly received from Crystal Palace It was all a huge mistake. He's just very unlucky. Harry's dog was ill so couldn't sign the mandate to release it. That money was just resting in his bank account.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 12, 2018 12:54:02 GMT
Look. You've failed and are now resorting to putting words in my mouth. Maybe next time, try another way. wiki.c2.com/?FallaciousArgumentThere's also a really good book called The Art of Being Right by Arthur Schopenhauer which offers all sorts of tips about this sort of thing. Or maybe try being honest and admitting that Pulis is a cunt. Once you've said it, all that cognitive dissonance will just slip away. Now do one All are entitled to an opinion, that’s what debate is abouthowever; Isn’t social media great. Anyone can describe someone as a c***t and a crook without fear of retribution. By the way using the term c***t in any conversation/argument is probably the most dispicable word that can be used. Pretty sure we were banned from calling Pulis a cunt on here at some point, it was a shame cos it's difficult to find another word that describes him so well.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 12, 2018 13:09:00 GMT
All are entitled to an opinion, that’s what debate is abouthowever; Isn’t social media great. Anyone can describe someone as a c***t and a crook without fear of retribution. By the way using the term c***t in any conversation/argument is probably the most dispicable word that can be used. Pretty sure we were banned from calling Pulis a cunt on here at some point, it was a shame cos it's difficult to find another word that describes him so well. It describes his successor and his ligging cronies quite well as well.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 12, 2018 13:12:51 GMT
All are entitled to an opinion, that’s what debate is abouthowever; Isn’t social media great. Anyone can describe someone as a c***t and a crook without fear of retribution. By the way using the term c***t in any conversation/argument is probably the most dispicable word that can be used. Pretty sure we were banned from calling Pulis a cunt on here at some point, it was a shame cos it's difficult to find another word that describes him so well. My original point was about someone hiding behind social media to make defamatory comments “and” using a dispicable word. However it’s noted once again; One of the vocal minority takes every opportunity to have a pop at someone who left SCFC in the summer of 2013, yes over six years ago Over and out. Have a good day
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Post by marylandstoke on Oct 12, 2018 13:18:07 GMT
Am I the only one who had to look Horace up?
At least I learned something from all this
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Post by elystokie on Oct 12, 2018 13:28:10 GMT
Pretty sure we were banned from calling Pulis a cunt on here at some point, it was a shame cos it's difficult to find another word that describes him so well. My original point was about someone hiding behind social media to make defamatory comments “and” using a dispicable word. However it’s noted once again; One of the vocal minority takes every opportunity to have a pop at someone who left SCFC in the summer of 2013, yes over six years ago Over and out. Have a good day It could've been 60 years ago, wouldn't change what I think of him. And I'm not hiding in the slightest, many on here know me and have met me.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 12, 2018 13:33:19 GMT
Pretty sure we were banned from calling Pulis a cunt on here at some point, it was a shame cos it's difficult to find another word that describes him so well. It describes his successor and his ligging cronies quite well as well. I've got no problem with your (or anyone else's) thoughts on that, it's been used as a descriptor for them many times on here
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 12, 2018 13:54:38 GMT
Am I the only one who had to look Horace up? At least I learned something from all this Yeah, brilliant Estate Agent.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 12, 2018 14:13:45 GMT
I don't see why there's so much arguing on this thread.
I hate Pulis personally (appreciate what he did for us, just think he's a horrible dick as a bloke), but i don't think that excuses what Kitson's done does it? He's acted like a complete nutjob in a violent and threatening way and that can't be excused just because Tone's an arsehole.
It's bang out of order 100%, no matter what Tone has said to him in the past. He's an EX manager who some think is a twat, he isn't a fucking Nazi war criminal or a paedo...he's a footy manager nothing else. Some people need a bit of perspective in their lives.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 12, 2018 14:34:58 GMT
Am I the only one who had to look Horace up? At least I learned something from all this This is more apt for certain contributors!
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