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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 11, 2018 19:07:34 GMT
Well if people know the real reason why Pulis nutted Beattie (with his more than adequate testicles swinging beneath his sexy sauna towel) they should shit or get off the pot or we'll obviously be forced to go with the explanation that several people who were there at the time say was the reason.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 11, 2018 19:12:16 GMT
This is weird. I’m sure I saw an interview with Kitson after he’d left us talking about some of his mental issues/depression etc. If i recall correctly (and it seems that I don’t) he was saying something along the lines of it didn’t really work out at Stoke but Tone had been ‘great’ trying to help him through his problems. Anyone else remember this or was it some sort of weird Kitson dream I had? Pervert. I'd never go to sleep again if I was having those dreams (nightmares). |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 11, 2018 19:19:10 GMT
Did we ever find out who the infamous 2010 dressing mole was? The secret scissor stabber would surely be favourite?
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Post by werrington on Oct 11, 2018 19:24:09 GMT
Did we ever find out who the infamous 2010 dressing mole was? The secret scissor stabber would surely be favourite? It’s funny nothing has come out of the dressing room since Pulis left Do the maths sheikhy lad |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 11, 2018 19:33:05 GMT
Did we ever find out who the infamous 2010 dressing mole was? The secret scissor stabber would surely be favourite? It’s funny nothing has come out of the dressing room since Pulis left Do the maths sheikhy lad  How very dare you? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 11, 2018 19:34:08 GMT
Did we ever find out who the infamous 2010 dressing mole was? The secret scissor stabber would surely be favourite? It’s funny nothing has come out of the dressing room since Pulis left Do the maths sheikhy lad Really mate?! To my memory we've had a cement mixer of bile poured out of it since Hughes's breakdown. It's been the most poisoned arena of wankers in the history of the club, many of whom clearly fucking hated each other and played like it as well! |
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Post by werrington on Oct 11, 2018 19:35:29 GMT
It’s funny nothing has come out of the dressing room since Pulis left Do the maths sheikhy lad Really mate?! To my memory we've had a cement mixer of bile poured out of it since Hughes's breakdown. It's been the most poisoned arena of wankers in the history of the club, many of whom clearly fucking hated each other and played like it as well! They’ve all put their names to it though mate ....no mystery |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 11, 2018 20:06:30 GMT
Really mate?! To my memory we've had a cement mixer of bile poured out of it since Hughes's breakdown. It's been the most poisoned arena of wankers in the history of the club, many of whom clearly fucking hated each other and played like it as well! They’ve all put their names to it though mate ....no mystery I'm still not sure what the accusation is mate? What, that everyone hated Pulis and so a few scissor waving moles were used to have a pop at him? One thing is beyond doubt, that 2011 side that went to the cup final summed up by that beautiful picture of Huth and Shawcross uni-throttling Stephen Hunt against Wolves (in the games Ethers got injured I think) was one of the most together sides in my memory. The players and crowd together as one. These past few years the players look like a lot of them despise each other and the crowd and players (home crowd at least) are tolerating each other at best. |
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Post by werrington on Oct 11, 2018 20:14:11 GMT
They’ve all put their names to it though mate ....no mystery I'm still not sure what the accusation is mate? What, that everyone hated Pulis and so a few scissor waving moles were used to have a pop at him? One thing is beyond doubt, that 2011 side that went to the cup final summed up by that beautiful picture of Huth and Shawcross uni-throttling Stephen Hunt against Wolves (in the games Ethers got injured I think) was one of the most together sides in my memory. The players and crowd together as one. These past few years the players look like a lot of them despise each other and the crowd and players (home crowd at least) are tolerating each other at best. It’s what happens when the support “ want a bit more “ mate Called it at the beginning of the premiership that the longer we stayed in it, the higher calibre player the club would go for and the fans demanded would bring its own problems and that’s what we saw I await Brighton etc going the same way |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 11, 2018 20:34:00 GMT
I'm still not sure what the accusation is mate? What, that everyone hated Pulis and so a few scissor waving moles were used to have a pop at him? One thing is beyond doubt, that 2011 side that went to the cup final summed up by that beautiful picture of Huth and Shawcross uni-throttling Stephen Hunt against Wolves (in the games Ethers got injured I think) was one of the most together sides in my memory. The players and crowd together as one. These past few years the players look like a lot of them despise each other and the crowd and players (home crowd at least) are tolerating each other at best. It’s what happens when the support “ want a bit more “ mate Called it at the beginning of the premiership that the longer we stayed in it, the higher calibre player the club would go for and the fans demanded would bring its own problems and that’s what we saw I await Brighton etc going the same way Definitely to be expected to a degree but to lose a crowd the way we have is quite some feat. Midweek games no one cares, there's 18000 in at the start and less than 10,000 with ten minutes to go. Saturday games start ok but players gesturing, fans booing and moaning every other phase of play. We all know some of the Pulis years was myth but these past two and half years have been dismal in every regard. The only high point in nigh on three years at home was the crowd response to a defeat at Spurs. Thin, thin gruel indeed. |
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 20:58:53 GMT
It’s what happens when the support “ want a bit more “ mate Called it at the beginning of the premiership that the longer we stayed in it, the higher calibre player the club would go for and the fans demanded would bring its own problems and that’s what we saw I await Brighton etc going the same way Definitely to be expected to a degree but to lose a crowd the way we have is quite some feat. Midweek games no one cares, there's 18000 in at the start and less than 10,000 with ten minutes to go. Saturday games start ok but players gesturing, fans booing and moaning every other phase of play. We all know some of the Pulis years was myth but these past two and half years have been dismal in every regard. The only high point in nigh on three years at home was the crowd response to a defeat at Spurs. Thin, thin gruel indeed. It comes and goes but for different reasons doesn't it? There's definitely a problem with entitlement now so it may not hurt a few people in the crowd to suffer a bit to give them back some perspective. I wonder if it's as bad as the atmosphere and attitude during the binary season. I do remember the numb feeling coming away from the 0 0 home draw with Preston on Boxing Day 2004, just wishing something would change. As it turns out, it was deliberate in spite of the fact that this was the game that Pulis denied he had told the players to sit back. Both sides playing away tactics until Preston belatedly worked out that Stoke weren't trying to win the game. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 11, 2018 21:06:49 GMT
Definitely to be expected to a degree but to lose a crowd the way we have is quite some feat. Midweek games no one cares, there's 18000 in at the start and less than 10,000 with ten minutes to go. Saturday games start ok but players gesturing, fans booing and moaning every other phase of play. We all know some of the Pulis years was myth but these past two and half years have been dismal in every regard. The only high point in nigh on three years at home was the crowd response to a defeat at Spurs. Thin, thin gruel indeed. It comes and goes but for different reasons doesn't it? There's definitely a problem with entitlement now so it may not hurt a few people in the crowd to suffer a bit to give them back some perspective. I wonder if it's as bad as the atmosphere and attitude during the binary season. I do remember the numb feeling coming away from the 0 0 home draw with Preston on Boxing Day 2004, just wishing something would change. As it turns out, it was deliberate in spite of the fact that this was the game that Pulis denied he had told the players to sit back. Both sides playing away tactics until Preston belatedly worked out that Stoke weren't trying to win the game. I dunno was that any worse than how Hughes set up in his dying embers? Deliberately, DELIBERATELY losing a game at Chelsea despite having over 100 million quids worth of talent at his disposal? |
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 21:16:30 GMT
It comes and goes but for different reasons doesn't it? There's definitely a problem with entitlement now so it may not hurt a few people in the crowd to suffer a bit to give them back some perspective. I wonder if it's as bad as the atmosphere and attitude during the binary season. I do remember the numb feeling coming away from the 0 0 home draw with Preston on Boxing Day 2004, just wishing something would change. As it turns out, it was deliberate in spite of the fact that this was the game that Pulis denied he had told the players to sit back. Both sides playing away tactics until Preston belatedly worked out that Stoke weren't trying to win the game. I dunno was that any worse than how Hughes set up in his dying embers? Deliberately, DELIBERATELY losing a game at Chelsea despite having over 100 million quids worth of talent at his disposal? It's not a zero sum game, as you like to present it. So I don't know which is worse because they're different things. Hughes did it in an attempt to win the next game and it all went off in his face. Rank bad management but all too typical of his poor judgement for a long time. Pulis was deliberately trying to destabilise the club over a period of months. I'd add that when Hughes threw the Chelsea game, at least he took a full bench to make it look even slightly like he cared that people were spending their money to watch the game. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 11, 2018 21:20:48 GMT
I dunno was that any worse than how Hughes set up in his dying embers? Deliberately, DELIBERATELY losing a game at Chelsea despite having over 100 million quids worth of talent at his disposal? It's not a zero sum game, as you like to present it. So I don't know which is worse because they're different things. Hughes did it in an attempt to win the next game and it all went off in his face. Rank bad management but all too typical of his poor judgement for a long time. Pulis was deliberately trying to destabilise the club over a period of months. I'd add that when Hughes threw the Chelsea game, at least he took a full bench to make it look even slightly like he cared that people were spending their money to watch the game. Mmmm. A bit selective there. Completely exonerating the Icelanders absenteeism behaviour and Coates collusion with Pulis and defending that pricks disgusting behaviour at the tail end of 2017 on the basis of players he didn't play! |
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 21:25:13 GMT
It's not a zero sum game, as you like to present it. So I don't know which is worse because they're different things. Hughes did it in an attempt to win the next game and it all went off in his face. Rank bad management but all too typical of his poor judgement for a long time. Pulis was deliberately trying to destabilise the club over a period of months. I'd add that when Hughes threw the Chelsea game, at least he took a full bench to make it look even slightly like he cared that people were spending their money to watch the game. Mmmm. A bit selective there. Completely exonerating the Icelanders absenteeism behaviour and Coates collusion with Pulis and defending that pricks disgusting behaviour at the tail end of 2017 on the basis of players he didn't play! You're at it again. Creating strawman arguments so you don't have to address Pulis's behaviour. I've never mentioned the Icelanders. It's clear they had lost interest by then and we needed to move on from that era, but that has literally nothing to do with Pulis being Pulis. He does it wherever he goes. So go on then. Justify why he only took 4 subs for the game against Valencia. If Hughes couldn't even be arsed to take a squad of players to Chelsea that day to stick two fingers up to the supporters and signal loud and clear that he really couldn't give a fuck, I know exactly what you'd be saying about him. Actually, while you're at it, justify him deliberately destabilising the club. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 11, 2018 21:37:41 GMT
Mmmm. A bit selective there. Completely exonerating the Icelanders absenteeism behaviour and Coates collusion with Pulis and defending that pricks disgusting behaviour at the tail end of 2017 on the basis of players he didn't play! You're at it again. Creating strawman arguments so you don't have to address Pulis's behaviour. I've never mentioned the Icelanders. It's clear they had lost interest by then and we needed to move on from that era, but that has literally nothing to do with Pulis being Pulis. He does it wherever he goes. So go on then. Justify why he only took 4 subs for the game against Valencia. If Hughes couldn't even be arsed to take a squad of players to Chelsea that day to stick two fingers up to the supporters and signal loud and clear that he really couldn't give a fuck, I know exactly what you'd be saying about him. Actually, while you're at it, justify him deliberately destabilising the club. Oh the strawman accusation! Usually the first bomb of the Pulis hater who's been exposed as a hypocrite! I've slaughtered Pulis for Valencia, always will. Now,what about Coates's roll in the dying days of Pulis's first reign? Any comment? The fucker should never be forgiven should he? |
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 21:55:10 GMT
I don't know where you get this hypocrite thing from. You ask questions and I give you my opinion. It was time for the Icelanders to go. Hughes should have been sacked long before he actually was. I don't like what Coates did at the club, but that's business. Pulis wasn't a board member but was deliberately fucking around with the team for his own ends as he has done everywhere he's been. He's a crook and a bully and always up to something. If he'd done one or two unpalatable things, i'd cut him some slack, but we're way beyond that with him. When do you expect something to happen at Middlesbrough? I'd say sometime within the next two years. Care to bet against it? By the way, here's a good fact filled extended question to ponder: www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/03/17/do-tony-pulis-teams-decline-dramatically-reaching-40-points/ |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 11, 2018 21:59:48 GMT
Pulis wasn't a board member but was deliberately fucking around with the team for his own ends Independently of Peter do you think? |
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 22:03:40 GMT
Pulis wasn't a board member but was deliberately fucking around with the team for his own ends Independently of Peter do you think? I have no idea. And neither do you. By the way, that piece from The Telegraph predicts almost exactly what happened with West Brom after they achieved 40 points surprisingly early in the season. Basically Pulis giving up rather than achieving a high finish. Funny, that. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 11, 2018 22:11:22 GMT
Independently of Peter do you think? I have no idea. And neither do you. I'm happy with my conclusions based on quotes from the time and the 'this club is not for you' fiasco. Coupled with the apologies at the time of his return to the club. They were both in it up to their spuds. You can't hate Pulis without hating Coates for the same reasons. And that's that! |
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 22:16:00 GMT
I have no idea. And neither do you. I'm happy with my conclusions based on quotes from the time and the 'this club is not for you' fiasco. Coupled with the apologies at the time of his return to the club. They were both in it up to their spuds. You can't hate Pulis without hating Coates for the same reasons. And that's that! Yeah I can. I don't pay to watch Peter Coates in board meetings. You're just throwing everything you can to deflect from the fact (an actual demonstrable fact) that Pulis is an utter cunt and a crook with zero regard for the people who actually pay his wages. How long before things happen at Middlesbrough to prove it yet again? I'll go for two years. How about you? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 11, 2018 22:27:57 GMT
I'm happy with my conclusions based on quotes from the time and the 'this club is not for you' fiasco. Coupled with the apologies at the time of his return to the club. They were both in it up to their spuds. You can't hate Pulis without hating Coates for the same reasons. And that's that! Yeah I can. I don't pay to watch Peter Coates in board meetings. You're just throwing everything you can to deflect from the fact (an actual demonstrable fact) that Pulis is an utter cunt and a crook with zero regard for the people who actually pay his wages. How long before things happen at Middlesbrough to prove it yet again? I'll go for two years. How about you? Don't care how long. Hope he does it soon to be honest because Boro are a vastly better side than us so it would help us in our lame quest for an early bounce back. If you genuinely believe that Pulis was wilfully destabilising the club in 2004, then he had a very able and influential ally in our current chairman. Based on all evidence you simply cannot disassociate the two. So you must believe that Coates is also an utter cunt cunt and a crook with zero regard for fans. It's impossible to have a different view. |
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Post by Gods on Oct 11, 2018 22:31:32 GMT
I'm happy with my conclusions based on quotes from the time and the 'this club is not for you' fiasco. Coupled with the apologies at the time of his return to the club. They were both in it up to their spuds. You can't hate Pulis without hating Coates for the same reasons. And that's that! Yeah I can. I don't pay to watch Peter Coates in board meetings. You're just throwing everything you can to deflect from the fact (an actual demonstrable fact) that Pulis is an utter cunt and a crook with zero regard for the people who actually pay his wages. How long before things happen at Middlesbrough to prove it yet again? I'll go for two years. How about you? I can't work out if you are obsessed, nuts, or both, I'm going both. |
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 22:37:02 GMT
Yeah I can. I don't pay to watch Peter Coates in board meetings. You're just throwing everything you can to deflect from the fact (an actual demonstrable fact) that Pulis is an utter cunt and a crook with zero regard for the people who actually pay his wages. How long before things happen at Middlesbrough to prove it yet again? I'll go for two years. How about you? Don't care how long. Hope he does it soon to be honest because Boro are a vastly better side than us so it would help us in our lame quest for an early bounce back. If you genuinely believe that Pulis was wilfully destabilising the club in 2004, then he had a very able and influential ally in our current chairman. Based on all evidence you simply cannot disassociate the two. So you must believe that Coates is also an utter cunt cunt and a crook with zero regard for fans. It's impossible to have a different view. Well at least you've now moved on to a false dichotomy. I can criticise Coates for his behaviour at the end of the Icelandic era, but then I also think that it's business and it was time to move on anyway. He's no crook though, unless you know something I don't. As I keep saying Pulis is a proven crook and also becomes a problem at every club he works at. Not in the usual way of losing the plot like Hughes did, but in very toxic and sometimes illegal ways. In two court cases, he's been shown to be a blackmailer and a fraudster. How you can equate that with a boardroom battle is beyond me. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 11, 2018 22:41:27 GMT
Don't care how long. Hope he does it soon to be honest because Boro are a vastly better side than us so it would help us in our lame quest for an early bounce back. If you genuinely believe that Pulis was wilfully destabilising the club in 2004, then he had a very able and influential ally in our current chairman. Based on all evidence you simply cannot disassociate the two. So you must believe that Coates is also an utter cunt cunt and a crook with zero regard for fans. It's impossible to have a different view. Well at least you've now moved on to a false dichotomy. I can criticise Coates for his behaviour at the end of the Icelandic era, but then I also think that it's business and it was time to move on anyway. He's no crook though, unless you know something I don't. As I keep saying Pulis is a proven crook and also becomes a problem at every club he works at. Not in the usual way of losing the plot like Hughes did, but in very toxic and sometimes illegal ways. In two court cases, he's been shown to be a blackmailer and a fraudster. How you can equate that with a boardroom battle is beyond me. So now you are admitting that on the fateful day against Preston (I've seen ten worse gutless surrendering performances in the past 3 years by the way) that cheery, cuddly, lovely, old Peter was sat up in the directors box sat on his golden shares saying 'that's my boy, Tone'? |
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 22:45:29 GMT
Well at least you've now moved on to a false dichotomy. I can criticise Coates for his behaviour at the end of the Icelandic era, but then I also think that it's business and it was time to move on anyway. He's no crook though, unless you know something I don't. As I keep saying Pulis is a proven crook and also becomes a problem at every club he works at. Not in the usual way of losing the plot like Hughes did, but in very toxic and sometimes illegal ways. In two court cases, he's been shown to be a blackmailer and a fraudster. How you can equate that with a boardroom battle is beyond me. So now you are admitting that on the fateful day against Preston (I've seen ten worse gutless surrendering performances in the past 3 years by the way) that cheery, cuddly, lovely, old Peter was sat up in the directors box sat on his golden shares saying 'that's my boy, Tone'? No. Now you're just making stuff up. We have seen worse performances recently, you are right. But those are about incompetence, not deliberately destabilising the club. Personally, my lowest point watching Stoke was being 3 0 down at half time at home to Chester back in the really dark days. But at least I knew we were just shit, not that the manager was setting out to throw the game. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 11, 2018 22:51:36 GMT
So now you are admitting that on the fateful day against Preston (I've seen ten worse gutless surrendering performances in the past 3 years by the way) that cheery, cuddly, lovely, old Peter was sat up in the directors box sat on his golden shares saying 'that's my boy, Tone'? No. Now you're just making stuff up. We have seen worse performances recently, you are right. But those are about incompetence, not deliberately destabilising the club. Personally, my lowest point watching Stoke was being 3 0 down at half time at home to Chester back in the really dark days. But at least I knew we were just shit, not that the manager was setting out to throw the game. Well one was deliberate wasn't it. The Hughes Chelsea game. If you believe what you believe about 2004ish its impossible to conclude that it wasn't in cahoots with the current chairman and then minority director, golden share holding future chairman of the club on manoeuvres with a close friend. |
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 23:00:41 GMT
No. Now you're just making stuff up. We have seen worse performances recently, you are right. But those are about incompetence, not deliberately destabilising the club. Personally, my lowest point watching Stoke was being 3 0 down at half time at home to Chester back in the really dark days. But at least I knew we were just shit, not that the manager was setting out to throw the game. Well one was deliberate wasn't it. The Hughes Chelsea game. If you believe what you believe about 2004ish its impossible to conclude that it wasn't in cahoots with the current chairman and then minority director, golden share holding future chairman of the club on manoeuvres with a close friend. Well I could spend the rest of my life arguing that I don't agree with your strawmen, whataboutery, false dichotomies and other fallacious arguments, but I'm going to bed. So that gives you a few hours to work out why any of the stuff you're throwing around like confetti proves that Pulis isn't a cunt and a crook. [Hint: it doesn't] |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 11, 2018 23:05:22 GMT
Well one was deliberate wasn't it. The Hughes Chelsea game. If you believe what you believe about 2004ish its impossible to conclude that it wasn't in cahoots with the current chairman and then minority director, golden share holding future chairman of the club on manoeuvres with a close friend. Well I could spend the rest of my life arguing that I don't agree with your strawmen, whataboutery, false dichotomies and other fallacious arguments, but I'm going to bed. So that gives you a few hours to work out why any of the stuff you're throwing around like confetti proves that Pulis isn't a cunt and a crook. [Hint: it doesn't] Says 'strawmen' means 'Ive been found out and I'm a hypocrite' Says 'whataboutery' means 'Ive been found out and I'm a hypocrite' Says 'false dichotomies' means 'Ive been found out and I'm a hypocrite' Says 'fallacious arguments' means 'Ive been found out and I'm a hypocrite' Night night! |
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Post by upthefud on Oct 12, 2018 3:49:14 GMT
I feel sorry for you Greyman. It must have torn you apart watching us doing so well with a man you despise for many years. Maybe one day we’ll achieve what we achieved with someone that you can tolerate. I really hope so
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