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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 21:20:51 GMT
Been waiting for 2 hours for the tory supporters to answer the question on what Boris had done for London I'm assuming by the defining silence that no one can think of anything. It's not for me to say as I'm not resident in London .
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Post by crapslinger on May 2, 2017 21:23:09 GMT
Car crash Abbott strikes again Run the country my arse Not the first time she's been out of her depth. It's makes for the most uncomfortable listen and they'll all be gunning for her in interviews from now on. Jezza just backed her to the hilt , not sure what he meant by that , maybe he is contemplating a move for Dim Di. over to shadow chancellor with maths like that she may be able to make their spending figures stack up, how can any sane individual advocate voting for these half witted cretins.
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Post by crapslinger on May 2, 2017 21:27:00 GMT
Been waiting for 2 hours for the tory supporters to answer the question on what Boris had done for London I'm assuming by the defining silence that no one can think of anything. I am no Tory supporter and never have been never will be, but to be fair why would anyone outside of London give a flying fcuk with Boris did for London , now let's talk locally what did Mike Wolffe do for Stoke-on-Trent ???? apart from winterfest and gay pride celebrations of course
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Post by followyoudown on May 2, 2017 21:30:30 GMT
Knife crime in London is getting out of control you said mere minutes ago there's the relevance. I'm not sure what sort of jurisdiction the Mayor has with The Met? Met commissioner reports to home Secretary and the met police authority ie the mayor. The police get funding from central government but mayor is Free to give additional funding.
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Post by liquidlen on May 2, 2017 21:34:02 GMT
I'm not sure what sort of jurisdiction the Mayor has with The Met? Met commissioner reports to home Secretary and the met police authority ie the mayor. The police get funding from central government but mayor is Free to give additional funding. Intervention from SK would be unprecedented then?
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Post by essexstokey on May 2, 2017 21:34:24 GMT
Been waiting for 2 hours for the tory supporters to answer the question on what Boris had done for London I'm assuming by the defining silence that no one can think of anything. It's not for me to say as I'm not resident in London . I am and he has done a lot that is questionable Boris bikes (ordered by Ken before he left office) Garden bridge millions spent on designing it when it was not feasible Root master for every one of Boris root masters I think the quote was you could have 20 normal double decker's (there are too major design faults to warm on top deck in summer and top deck not high enough for anyone over (6ft I think) Housing brown sites identified by Boris included all museums, city hall and other listed buildings so land not available for building on like he said Responsible for the selling off of the Olympic stadium to west ham Then I'm struggling to think what else he's done.
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Post by followyoudown on May 2, 2017 21:35:21 GMT
Met commissioner reports to home Secretary and the met police authority ie the mayor. The police get funding from central government but mayor is Free to give additional funding. Intervention from SK would be unprecedented then? No the mayor sets policing priorities for the Met I believe.
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Post by followyoudown on May 2, 2017 21:40:52 GMT
It's not for me to say as I'm not resident in London . I am and he has done a lot that is questionable Boris bikes (ordered by Ken before he left office) Garden bridge millions spent on designing it when it was not feasible Root master for every one of Boris root masters I think the quote was you could have 20 normal double decker's (there are too major design faults to warm on top deck in summer and top deck not high enough for anyone over (6ft I think) Housing brown sites identified by Boris included all museums, city hall and other listed buildings so land not available for building on like he said Responsible for the selling off of the Olympic stadium to west ham Then I'm struggling to think what else he's done. The Olympics itself, crossrail, tube upgrades and the night tube introduction is largely due to boris as well as the cycling super highways.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 21:41:06 GMT
It's not for me to say as I'm not resident in London . I am and he has done a lot that is questionable Boris bikes (ordered by Ken before he left office) Garden bridge millions spent on designing it when it was not feasible Root master for every one of Boris root masters I think the quote was you could have 20 normal double decker's (there are too major design faults to warm on top deck in summer and top deck not high enough for anyone over (6ft I think) Housing brown sites identified by Boris included all museums, city hall and other listed buildings so land not available for building on like he said Responsible for the selling off of the Olympic stadium to west ham Then I'm struggling to think what else he's done. Didn't the Route Master buses operate on the streets of London for over 40'years ? .....Small people only upstairs ?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 21:43:35 GMT
Not the first time she's been out of her depth. It's makes for the most uncomfortable listen and they'll all be gunning for her in interviews from now on. Jezza just backed her to the hilt , not sure what he meant by that , maybe he is contemplating a move for Dim Di. over to shadow chancellor with maths like that she may be able to make their spending figures stack up, how can any sane individual advocate voting for these half witted cretins. Don't ask me ....I won't be
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Post by followyoudown on May 2, 2017 21:46:00 GMT
I am and he has done a lot that is questionable Boris bikes (ordered by Ken before he left office) Garden bridge millions spent on designing it when it was not feasible Root master for every one of Boris root masters I think the quote was you could have 20 normal double decker's (there are too major design faults to warm on top deck in summer and top deck not high enough for anyone over (6ft I think) Housing brown sites identified by Boris included all museums, city hall and other listed buildings so land not available for building on like he said Responsible for the selling off of the Olympic stadium to west ham Then I'm struggling to think what else he's done. Didn't the Route Master buses operate on the streets of London for over 40'years ? .....Small people only upstairs ? Yes I contracted at first group for a while they sold them off for £500 to £1000 then won a contract for some heritage routes and had to buy some back at £20k a time 😆
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 21:51:28 GMT
Didn't the Route Master buses operate on the streets of London for over 40'years ? .....Small people only upstairs ? Yes I contracted at first group for a while they sold them off for £500 to £1000 then won a contract for some heritage routes and had to buy some back at £20k a time 😆 There are one or two operating on a promenade service here in Blackpool ....painted red and white funnily enough
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Post by essexstokey on May 2, 2017 21:56:59 GMT
I am and he has done a lot that is questionable Boris bikes (ordered by Ken before he left office) Garden bridge millions spent on designing it when it was not feasible Root master for every one of Boris root masters I think the quote was you could have 20 normal double decker's (there are too major design faults to warm on top deck in summer and top deck not high enough for anyone over (6ft I think) Housing brown sites identified by Boris included all museums, city hall and other listed buildings so land not available for building on like he said Responsible for the selling off of the Olympic stadium to west ham Then I'm struggling to think what else he's done. The Olympics itself, crossrail, tube upgrades and the night tube introduction is largely due to boris as well as the cycling super highways. Are you having a joke about the Olympics this was ken, tony and Tessa Jowel Cross rail was a multi party agreement from parliament think it was final years of Brown Tube upgrades started and ordered by Ken TFL then plan developments again night tube is actually Khan as Boris wanted to cut workers rights so wouldn't have come in under Boris Supper highways started by ken and have resulted in a few more deaths at certain parts and also lead to disruption road narrowing and higher congestion in some areas So try again !!
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Post by Northy on May 3, 2017 5:56:42 GMT
people say the tories lost 1000's of police officers, a lot of these posts were backroom staff, admin roles, call centre roles, big pay and big pensions for jobs not needed to be done by police officers, Howard Webb was one for a start. The role of the bobby on the beat has changed so much over the years, its not just about filling uniforms these days.
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Post by liquidlen on May 3, 2017 6:35:08 GMT
people say the tories lost 1000's of police officers, a lot of these posts were backroom staff, admin roles, call centre roles, big pay and big pensions for jobs not needed to be done by police officers, Howard Webb was one for a start. The role of the bobby on the beat has changed so much over the years, its not just about filling uniforms these days. The Head of the Police Federation was on Sky yesterday saying they had lost over 25,000 staff over the last seven years, many of which were Bobbies. He wasn't very pleased.
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Post by felonious on May 3, 2017 6:39:58 GMT
I am and he has done a lot that is questionable Boris bikes (ordered by Ken before he left office) Garden bridge millions spent on designing it when it was not feasible Root master for every one of Boris root masters I think the quote was you could have 20 normal double decker's (there are too major design faults to warm on top deck in summer and top deck not high enough for anyone over (6ft I think) Housing brown sites identified by Boris included all museums, city hall and other listed buildings so land not available for building on like he said Responsible for the selling off of the Olympic stadium to west ham Then I'm struggling to think what else he's done. The Olympics itself, crossrail, tube upgrades and the night tube introduction is largely due to boris as well as the cycling super highways. Don't forget his support for Parkruns
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 3, 2017 7:54:20 GMT
The Olympics itself, crossrail, tube upgrades and the night tube introduction is largely due to boris as well as the cycling super highways. Are you having a joke about the Olympics this was ken, tony and Tessa Jowel Cross rail was a multi party agreement from parliament think it was final years of Brown Tube upgrades started and ordered by Ken TFL then plan developments again night tube is actually Khan as Boris wanted to cut workers rights so wouldn't have come in under Boris Supper highways started by ken and have resulted in a few more deaths at certain parts and also lead to disruption road narrowing and higher congestion in some areas So try again !! We don't really know and don't really care because we don't live or vote in London. If he was that bad how come he was voted in...... twice........ in a predominately Labour supporting city? Just because you don't like him and we can't reel off old policies doesn't make you correct. He banned drinking on public transport. He was co-chair on the Olympic committee. It's one thing being mayor (Ken) when many other people and agencies support a bid but it's another thing to deliver an Olympic games. There you go.
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Post by followyoudown on May 3, 2017 8:17:50 GMT
The Olympics itself, crossrail, tube upgrades and the night tube introduction is largely due to boris as well as the cycling super highways. Are you having a joke about the Olympics this was ken, tony and Tessa Jowel Cross rail was a multi party agreement from parliament think it was final years of Brown Tube upgrades started and ordered by Ken TFL then plan developments again night tube is actually Khan as Boris wanted to cut workers rights so wouldn't have come in under Boris Supper highways started by ken and have resulted in a few more deaths at certain parts and also lead to disruption road narrowing and higher congestion in some areas So try again !! I don't need to try again that was from an article in the guardian from memory around the time my dad was a bus driver was elected mayor.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 8:50:20 GMT
people say the tories lost 1000's of police officers, a lot of these posts were backroom staff, admin roles, call centre roles, big pay and big pensions for jobs not needed to be done by police officers, Howard Webb was one for a start. The role of the bobby on the beat has changed so much over the years, its not just about filling uniforms these days. And if you look closely some of them really " fill " those uniforms !
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 3, 2017 9:16:40 GMT
10,000 more police on the beat, fund it through reversing cuts to capital gains tax, good idea or not? It's probably not for me but I bet it passed a few public opinion testing panels. You don't really see them anymore do you? There were 2 police officers walking down our road a few months ago and I must admit I did ask them if their car had broken down and if they perhaps needed a lift! I was thinking about this the other day. As a kid I thought cops walked around on their own. I might have mis-remembered but I guess that's when they were all (predominately?) men and had to be over 6ft. Would we double the number of bobbies on the beat if they had to walk around on their todd?
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 3, 2017 9:34:19 GMT
10,000 more police on the beat, fund it through reversing cuts to capital gains tax, good idea or not? It's probably not for me but I bet it passed a few public opinion testing panels. You don't really see them anymore do you? There were 2 police officers walking down our road a few months ago and I must admit I did ask them if their car had broken down and if they perhaps needed a lift! I was thinking about this the other day. As a kid I thought cops walked around on their own. I might have mis-remembered but I guess that's when they were all (predominately?) men and had to be over 6ft. Would we double the number of bobbies on the beat if they had to walk around on their todd? Pretty much on the money there. I was 6 foot 2 19 years old and patrolling a certain part of West London on my own. Surely there must be sufficient 20 year olds knocking around propping up job centres that we can transform into custodians of the law in a few months. In fact if it's so easy why aren't they doing it already?.
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Post by Gods on May 3, 2017 9:41:22 GMT
10,000 more police on the beat, fund it through reversing cuts to capital gains tax, good idea or not? It's probably not for me but I bet it passed a few public opinion testing panels. You don't really see them anymore do you? There were 2 police officers walking down our road a few months ago and I must admit I did ask them if their car had broken down and if they perhaps needed a lift! I was thinking about this the other day. As a kid I thought cops walked around on their own. I might have mis-remembered but I guess that's when they were all (predominately?) men and had to be over 6ft. Would we double the number of bobbies on the beat if they had to walk around on their todd? It's a good question, let them out on their own again and 'hey presto' job done! I suspect the physical threat they once carried 'hit me and I'll clatter you back harder, in fact I may even get my revenge in first!' is slowly being replaced by 'threaten/hit me and you're on camera and that will serve as evidence in court' so it matters much less if you you don't carry a physical presence while on the beat. My guess is this all works fine until you run in to someone who either has nothing in life to lose or is too drunk to care.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 9:46:17 GMT
I was thinking about this the other day. As a kid I thought cops walked around on their own. I might have mis-remembered but I guess that's when they were all (predominately?) men and had to be over 6ft. Would we double the number of bobbies on the beat if they had to walk around on their todd? It's a good question, let them out on their own again and 'hey presto' job done! I suspect the physical threat they once carried 'hit me and I'll clatter you back harder, in fact I may even get my revenge in first!' is slowly being replaced by 'threaten/hit me and you're on camera and that will serve as evidence in court' so it matters much less if you you don't carry a physical presence while on the beat. My guess is this all works fine until you run in to someone who either has nothing in life to lose or is too drunk to care. Sadly society has changed so much in the intervening years that it will never be possible to return to how it was . Our Village Bobby on his bike is a distant memory .....he had to have a bike because he was too fat to walk !
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 9:56:28 GMT
It's a good question, let them out on their own again and 'hey presto' job done! I suspect the physical threat they once carried 'hit me and I'll clatter you back harder, in fact I may even get my revenge in first!' is slowly being replaced by 'threaten/hit me and you're on camera and that will serve as evidence in court' so it matters much less if you you don't carry a physical presence while on the beat. My guess is this all works fine until you run in to someone who either has nothing in life to lose or is too drunk to care. Sadly society has changed so much in the intervening years that it will never be possible to return to how it was . Our Village Bobby on his bike is a distant memory .....he had to have a bike because he was too fat to walk ! Quite right. It probably wasn't in reality but life did appear to be much simpler and far more innocent in those days.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 3, 2017 10:07:50 GMT
I was thinking about this the other day. As a kid I thought cops walked around on their own. I might have mis-remembered but I guess that's when they were all (predominately?) men and had to be over 6ft. Would we double the number of bobbies on the beat if they had to walk around on their todd? It's a good question, let them out on their own again and 'hey presto' job done! I suspect the physical threat they once carried 'hit me and I'll clatter you back harder, in fact I may even get my revenge in first!' is slowly being replaced by 'threaten/hit me and you're on camera and that will serve as evidence in court' so it matters much less if you you don't carry a physical presence while on the beat. My guess is this all works fine until you run in to someone who either has nothing in life to lose or is too drunk to care. Yes maybe the bobby on the beat should probably be more an observer/coordinator nowadays rather than a one person crime buster. He/she calls in the appropriate specialist team, domestic violence, armed response, drug dependency or para medics etc. Maybe that's the community policing thing? It just seems that coppers today are expected to be sweeny type handcuffers, social workers, counsellors and community leaders all rolled into one. The latest suggestion is that bobbies need to be degree level educated at enrolment due to the complexity of the modern job. Surely there's a place for a old fashioned reasonably educated, common sense, street wise copper who knows how to use a go-pro camera and a radio (and truncheon/taser) as the very first line of policing?
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 3, 2017 10:14:15 GMT
I was thinking about this the other day. As a kid I thought cops walked around on their own. I might have mis-remembered but I guess that's when they were all (predominately?) men and had to be over 6ft. Would we double the number of bobbies on the beat if they had to walk around on their todd? It's a good question, let them out on their own again and 'hey presto' job done! I suspect the physical threat they once carried 'hit me and I'll clatter you back harder, in fact I may even get my revenge in first!' is slowly being replaced by 'threaten/hit me and you're on camera and that will serve as evidence in court' so it matters much less if you you don't carry a physical presence while on the beat. My guess is this all works fine until you run in to someone who either has nothing in life to lose or is too drunk to care. The reason I left. Didn't fancy the idea of being stabbed a third time by a drug addled alcoholic who didn't know what day of the week it was. Apart from that the job's a piece of piss.
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Post by Gods on May 3, 2017 10:17:32 GMT
It's a good question, let them out on their own again and 'hey presto' job done! I suspect the physical threat they once carried 'hit me and I'll clatter you back harder, in fact I may even get my revenge in first!' is slowly being replaced by 'threaten/hit me and you're on camera and that will serve as evidence in court' so it matters much less if you you don't carry a physical presence while on the beat. My guess is this all works fine until you run in to someone who either has nothing in life to lose or is too drunk to care. The reason I left. Didn't fancy the idea of being stabbed a third time by a drug addled alcoholic who didn't know what day of the week it was. Apart from that the job's a piece of piss. I don't envy you that, I know its a job I wouldn't do in a million years so I have a huge amount of respect for people who step up to the mark and do it.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 3, 2017 10:53:28 GMT
It's a good question, let them out on their own again and 'hey presto' job done! I suspect the physical threat they once carried 'hit me and I'll clatter you back harder, in fact I may even get my revenge in first!' is slowly being replaced by 'threaten/hit me and you're on camera and that will serve as evidence in court' so it matters much less if you you don't carry a physical presence while on the beat. My guess is this all works fine until you run in to someone who either has nothing in life to lose or is too drunk to care. The reason I left. Didn't fancy the idea of being stabbed a third time by a drug addled alcoholic who didn't know what day of the week it was. Apart from that the job's a piece of piss. Well if he'd stabbed me twice before I would have kept away from him as well
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 11:29:52 GMT
Sadly society has changed so much in the intervening years that it will never be possible to return to how it was . Our Village Bobby on his bike is a distant memory .....he had to have a bike because he was too fat to walk ! Quite right. It probably wasn't in reality but life did appear to be much simpler and far more innocent in those days. Perhaps it was a little more simple than it is today ....who can be sure ? As we get older and reminisce I suppose we only remember the nicer aspects of how life was ....the sun always shined in summer ( )
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 11:31:34 GMT
It's a good question, let them out on their own again and 'hey presto' job done! I suspect the physical threat they once carried 'hit me and I'll clatter you back harder, in fact I may even get my revenge in first!' is slowly being replaced by 'threaten/hit me and you're on camera and that will serve as evidence in court' so it matters much less if you you don't carry a physical presence while on the beat. My guess is this all works fine until you run in to someone who either has nothing in life to lose or is too drunk to care. The reason I left. Didn't fancy the idea of being stabbed a third time by a drug addled alcoholic who didn't know what day of the week it was. Apart from that the job's a piece of piss. All credit to those who do it though
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