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Post by GoBoks on Apr 9, 2022 10:46:21 GMT
All White with red piping for me.
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 6, 2022 21:26:57 GMT
We cant watch this dire football anymore. I take my hat off to those who suffered last night's dross actually at Reading let alone even watching it on TV. I couldnt put myself through that. We havent renewed our STs and I have had 40 odd years of season tickets. Even saturdays win against Sheffield was dire entertainment. Given the players at his disposal I feel this is the worst consistent crap football I can recall, and there has been some terrible stuff over the years. Until this manager leaves we will support from afar, and hopefully IF and when he goes may return. The quality of football continues to decline which, given the quality of players we have, is astounding. Especially when Luton/Forest/QPR/Boro and others are playing some wonderful stuff. I do thank O'Neill for 'saving us' from League One but he has had his day. He has lost the players I feel. If I can see it why cant the board see it. I fear there are many more like us. Time to go us for now and hopefully for him soon. Just want to be sure I understand correctly... Holocaust Season - You renewed Relegation to Div 3 - You renewed Moving to the Brit & that first season - You renewed Any one of the numerous clowns we endured (Little/Bates/Kamara/Cotterill/etc - You renewed TP's infamous Binary Season - You renewed Mark Hughes collapse - You renewed Rowett and Jones disaster - You renewed Fans singing you're not fit to wear the shirt - You renewed Covid abortion of a season - You renewed Rebuilding/clearing out deadwood/never in danger/comfortable mid table/Positive GD/ Only lost one game by more than 1 goal - You're throwing a hissy fit and not renewing? Well I guess it takes all types - Ta Ta
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 4, 2022 21:22:31 GMT
According to some on here, they are eleven players we do not have.
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 4, 2022 21:19:45 GMT
Personally, I think it would be all so much efficient if all the responses were codified. Eg. Questions: Q1 How do you feel about that result? Q2: Do you think the team stuck to the game plan? Q3: How important is it to win your next game? Etc
Answers: A1: Delighted, every point counts. A2: We did everything we set out to do. A3: Nah, we go into every game to have fun. …… A7689: I’m not really a man. Etc.
The tedious pre & post match interviews could be over in ten seconds. Interviewer:”Q1” Manager: “A6” Interviewer:”Q3” Manager: “A4” Interviewer:”Q9” Manager: “A13” Interviewer:”Q12” Manager: “A7689”
Done and dusted!
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 3, 2022 15:29:57 GMT
That certainly applies to yourself if you cannot see beyond 16 games. A more adequate sequence would be 14 wins in 39 games, after all the league started in August, not January. Not an altogether impressive tally, but you already knew that. It's not even just the outcomes that are poor the football is mindnumbingly boring and will drive fans away. If he can't come up with something better at least at home he needs to go. Fortunately you don't own Stoke City and your opinion regarding managerial appointments counts for nothing, zip, zero, naught!
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 3, 2022 15:24:00 GMT
Gone a bit quiet on this thread 4 wins in 16 now. Great stuff 😂 There’s some really short sightedness on this thread. Yes! Thankfully now that we are starting to win, it seems to be dying out. MON's Barmy Army! Next season, we'll be right up there.
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 1, 2022 23:18:16 GMT
From one aspect, I can understand the approach by admin. No one needs ten posts of "James Chester agrees new deal"... But at the same time, if the last update to the thread was more than three months ago (for example) it doesn't make sense to merge - especially as the old thread can drag up old feelings that may not exist today. Also, some threads are topical. Take for example "Today's other games" I don't want to wade through random comments still ongoing from a week ago, I want to look at TODAY's other games. It becomes an absolute nonsense to merge everything that relates to Michael O'Neill into one thread, etc. I've just given up reading many of the threads because it's too much of a chore.
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 1, 2022 15:21:15 GMT
Oops! I must have clicked on the O'Neill Out thread by mistake. I thought this was the "Team News" thread.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 26, 2022 19:04:53 GMT
Can I quote you on that?
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 26, 2022 19:00:43 GMT
Ffs get over it. He’s not going anywhere. Back him for next season One hundred thumbs up! Let’s support the team we’ve got and not nit pick every single thing that we, brilliant, experienced football managers that we are, think should have been done the way we want it done.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 26, 2022 10:08:28 GMT
123 pages and thanks to a poorly typed and spelled thread title, we’ve all been discussing the wrong topic!! I believe the OP wanted this to be a thread about singing “On (e)ilkley Moor Bar t’At”. I categorically disagree.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 26, 2022 2:23:26 GMT
Surge Energy (SGY.TO) and Cardinal Energy (CJ.TO) on the Toronto stock exchange have been doing very nicely over the past month. Both of these stocks should be paying a dividend by July on top of the 5% capital appreciation per day they have been getting. Nice call if you could have got into sgy at 35 c you’d be made! Lqmt is currently 15.5 cents (30% up since I first mentioned ). I believe it will open at 20 cents on Wednesday and get to $1 by end of April. Again, this is not advice! Just my ramblings!
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 25, 2022 16:22:16 GMT
It's a lot more than just liking a nice guy and being nice themselves. The Coates family, starting with Denise, have a vision about how scfc should perform (not talking game performance here) in the community, what role they should have, and the way they would like to move that vision forward. Michael O'Neill has managed to buy right into that airy space, which is why they are more than just a little fond of the Irishman. They now see him as the orchestrator of running the club their way. They look more at that and while they are, as you say, as disappointed as the average Stokie football fan, in the grander scheme of things, a poor sequence of results is just a blip in the road. You may look at it as a results and entertainment business, but I'm not sure that the family look at scfc entirely in such a limiting sense. They are, as I said, looking at the club's role in the community first and foremost. If the club spends nine years in the PL, well that's wonderful, and they would like to again, but if the risk in moving too far forwards too soon is bankrupcy under current regulations, then they're not willing to go that far. Getting to the top of the game would be great, but it's not why they are involved with the club. Sorry mate these are successful business people and whilst some of the things are laudable they have to make this a success on and off the pitch. They cannot continue to bale out the club indefinitely and they need to get back into the prem as soon as possible. They cannot be seen, from a business perspective, to be associated with a failure as will impact the way they are viewed by the business world. From the fan's point of view, it might be all about results and entertainment, but the owners clearly have other objectives in mind as well. It's pretty much a fact of life that football clubs of our stature do not make a profit. Therefore taking your analysis to it's ultimate conclusion, any sensible business person would rather run a prison than run a football club. Obviously making a profit is not their prime objective. Given that they could afford to hop on a jet and scoot over to watch the real Barcelona any time they wanted to, I highly doubt that "entertainment" is a prime goal either. I'd suggest that their real goals revolve around Stoke City maintaining a sustainable presence in the community.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 24, 2022 20:47:07 GMT
Here are the answers again >>> There is plenty of evidence to point to a challenge next season. We are assembling a better squad, key injuries will be resolved, deadwood and bad influences have been removed, most often when we’ve dropped points it’s been to silly errors which are been addresses, we seldom looked out of our depth against the top teams, and so on. Where is the evidence that things will get worse? Yes, I will. Just as I acknowledged I was wrong to be against Peter Coates taking over from the icelanders and bringing Pulis back. Just as I acknowledge that I was wrong on Jones. Right now however, I am looking forward to my double scotch coming up. Enjoy your half empty glass while you can. Are we building a better squad? We’re going to need a good 6-7 players minimum in the summer. We need, minimum, a right back, two central defenders, two central midfielders, at least one number 10 and at least one striker. There’s every chance we lose Powell as well as things stand. Our recruitment is spotty at best. It could all go brilliantly but there’s as much to be worried about as optimistic about. 100% agree with your last sentence. I gave up worrying about what could go wrong a long long time ago. I think it was right after watching "how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb". I far prefer to think about what could go right. You should try it, it's far more fun and enjoyable. Now let me get back to planning my celebration for when we win the Champions League in 2027!
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 24, 2022 18:07:36 GMT
.... it's going to be a very thin "annal"! You don't know that. The next 160 years could be as successful as the first 160 weren't. We just have to get to a place where the owners and their descendants can get to spend as much money as they like on their favourite toy... I'll drink to that!
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 24, 2022 18:06:35 GMT
Joselu deserves a mention. The one and only time I have seen a player hug the referee!
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 24, 2022 17:46:23 GMT
Avoiding relegation in the first season was definitely a success It doesn't register as on par with winning a trophy or even promotion. When they write down the final annals of the great Stoke triumps, finishing 16th in the second division isn't going to featured among them. .... it's going to be a very thin "annal"!
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 24, 2022 17:40:54 GMT
<singing>. There’s a hole in the bucket, dear Lisa …… You ask the question what evidence is there that next season we will be better, and I answer it, so you simply ignore the answer and ask it again? I’m glad you’re objective, as you’ll no doubt agree that we are better off now in every sense than when MON arrived. At the end of next season you’ll also be able to objectively (and happily) acknowledge that you were wrong. And if I’m wrong, I’ll also acknowledge (very sadly) that I was wrong. In the meantime, I’m off to earn a living. You haven't really answered it beyond exaggerating some stuff and sticking your fingers in your ears about the bits that aren't as positive, as per usual. We're in a better position than when he arrived, but arguably not by the amount we should be and that is a low bar anyway. You absolutely won't acknowledge you were wrong, you'll sing from your big book of excuses like you always do. Here are the answers again >>> There is plenty of evidence to point to a challenge next season. We are assembling a better squad, key injuries will be resolved, deadwood and bad influences have been removed, most often when we’ve dropped points it’s been to silly errors which are been addresses, we seldom looked out of our depth against the top teams, and so on. Where is the evidence that things will get worse? Yes, I will. Just as I acknowledged I was wrong to be against Peter Coates taking over from the icelanders and bringing Pulis back. Just as I acknowledge that I was wrong on Jones. Right now however, I am looking forward to my double scotch coming up. Enjoy your half empty glass while you can.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 24, 2022 12:53:47 GMT
On the other hand, runs happen. There is plenty of evidence to point to a challenge next season. We are assembling a better squad, key injuries will be resolved, deadwood and bad influences have been removed, most often when we’ve dropped points it’s been to silly errors which are been addresses, we seldom looked out of our depth against the top teams, and so on. At the end of the day, some people will look at half a glass of whiskey and moan about it being half full while others looking at the same glass will think “Ah, a double whiskey neat!” I'm not a glass half empty person, I'm just objective. If I think something looks good I'll say it looks good and bad if it looks bad. I don't believe runs just 'happen'. There is always a reason for them and there are various ones for ours. Not all of them are the manager's fault but some of them are. What is the evidence that we will challenge next season? We may well do but we may well struggle, there's going to be significant upheaval and it's impossible to tell one way or the other what kind of shape the squad is going to be in come 1st September. <singing>. There’s a hole in the bucket, dear Lisa …… You ask the question what evidence is there that next season we will be better, and I answer it, so you simply ignore the answer and ask it again? I’m glad you’re objective, as you’ll no doubt agree that we are better off now in every sense than when MON arrived. At the end of next season you’ll also be able to objectively (and happily) acknowledge that you were wrong. And if I’m wrong, I’ll also acknowledge (very sadly) that I was wrong. In the meantime, I’m off to earn a living.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 24, 2022 12:44:16 GMT
I don’t work for you and I ’m not wasting my time looking through each game. You know as well as every single Stoke fan the errors that have happened on the field, the times people have been calling for a player to be pulled before halftime. Do you honestly believe that some of the mistakes made by Chester, HB, Ostigard, Tymon, Bonham, et al have not lead to goals conceded? Or that Brown, Campbell, Fletcher, Maja, Doughty haven’t failed to score when it looked easier to put it away? Given that we have lost by more than 1 goal only ONE SINGLE GAME this season, if each of those had made just one mistake, that would be 10 goals and therefore a minimum of 10 points. That just sounds like you can't actually recall any, which is weird for such an apparently self-evident thing and strongly held opinion. Again, repeated mistakes by the defence and open goals missed (the latter of which as noted, there actually haven't been that many of), if happening regularly, are as much failures of training and organisation as anything. Also games don't work that way. Given the number of times we've scored and then crumbled, who is to say if those goals had been scored that we wouldn't have capitulated again at the other end? 'Luck' might account for the odd result here and there, it can't be used to explain away the best part of half a season. Good grief! Have you watched any of our games? The mistakes by the defense have been so numerous, they sort of run into each other. I agree there have not been that many missed “open goals”, but the number of times a player has arrived a fraction late, a ball was a fraction misplaced, etc, etc. are numerous. I am not debating a single instance and is that outweighed by the opponents chances, I’m simply saying that we have failed by razor thin margins, and it’s my belief that next season will be much improved. Can you name any season where we have only lost by more than 1 goal one solitary time? Does it not stand to reason that during some of those games there was a single incident where either someone made a mistake or a decision or bounce of the ball that affected the game? Not everything is pure black or white. MON has done some things good and something’s he could have done better. Next season will tell if he is able to overcome these thin margins of error.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 24, 2022 12:29:48 GMT
But what about the abbreviation, Gods? Must it be M'ON? MO'N, I think! ‘MON’ for me.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 24, 2022 12:28:06 GMT
There is a litany of them. And I am not talking just about bad luck either. Look at any of the games to see horrendous foul-ups by the defense, gifting goals to the opposition or strikers who have missed open goals. Players who have been sent off, fouls not awarded or awarded against us unfairly, injuries that have occurred at crucial points. All things that happen, but my comment is that points lost have often hinged on wafer thin margins. If that back pass from Chester had been 1% faster, if the ref had consulted his linesman, if, if. So again, which games feature in said 'litany'? 4-5 will do? If the defence is regularly making horrendous foul-ups, that's a failure of organisation. We can't have missed that many open goals, as our xG, which you dismissed out of hand earlier as meaningless, would surely be higher? I don’t work for you and I ’m not wasting my time looking through each game. You know as well as every single Stoke fan the errors that have happened on the field, the times people have been calling for a player to be pulled before halftime. Do you honestly believe that some of the mistakes made by Chester, HB, Ostigard, Tymon, Bonham, et al have not lead to goals conceded? Or that Brown, Campbell, Fletcher, Maja, Doughty haven’t failed to score when it looked easier to put it away? Given that we have lost by more than 1 goal only ONE SINGLE GAME this season, if each of those had made just one mistake, that would be 10 goals and therefore a minimum of 10 points.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 24, 2022 12:11:47 GMT
Again, though you're quick to write off all the reconstruction that has taken place, the margins between 10th and 15th are razor slim. A bad call, a significant injury, a shot that hit the post instead of going in, a momentary lapse in concentration... I think we are not far off from where we expected to be this season and that it would be a gross error to replace the manager at this stage. Clearly 120 pages later, there are some who are adamant on both sides of the coin. I'm glad the owners are putting their money where their mouth is and backing MON to finish the job he has started. Are you quite sure about that? The comments from John Coates about disappointment is far away from a ringing endorsement is it?? Who isn’t disappointed? Again, the fact that playoffs were even a possibility never mind an expectation, underlines how far MON has taken the club in a very short period of time.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 24, 2022 12:08:09 GMT
And why don't we have those 10 points? Razor thin decisions, bounces that caused the dropped points. Very few games have we deserved to be spanked 3-0. Which specific games are you referring to? The manager wasn’t bemoaning bad luck when he mentioned the 10 points, he was admitting we’d underperformed. There is a litany of them. And I am not talking just about bad luck either. Look at any of the games to see horrendous foul-ups by the defense, gifting goals to the opposition or strikers who have missed open goals. Players who have been sent off, fouls not awarded or awarded against us unfairly, injuries that have occurred at crucial points. All things that happen, but my comment is that points lost have often hinged on wafer thin margins. If that back pass from Chester had been 1% faster, if the ref had consulted his linesman, if, if.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 24, 2022 12:00:54 GMT
I think the current position (i.e. not top 10) does not play into their thought process at all. We tend to think in terms of step by step progression, but if you look at the groundwork that's been laid and the players we either have or may be planning to get, coupled with the fact that when this team gels they are capable of taking on most teams in the division, there is nothing to say we cannot go from 15th to promotion (look at Leicester). I think the only time they will make a decision is if we are in danger of relegation around December, or if we miserably fail to get in the playoffs. It’s not just the position though, it’s the woeful run we’ve been on and the manager’s role in really not knowing how to fix that. There really isn’t a basis for suggesting we’ll be in the promotion mix next season at the moment. That of course may change but it’s a complete leap of faith at this point. On the other hand, runs happen. There is plenty of evidence to point to a challenge next season. We are assembling a better squad, key injuries will be resolved, deadwood and bad influences have been removed, most often when we’ve dropped points it’s been to silly errors which are been addresses, we seldom looked out of our depth against the top teams, and so on. At the end of the day, some people will look at half a glass of whiskey and moan about it being half full while others looking at the same glass will think “Ah, a double whiskey neat!”
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 24, 2022 11:54:38 GMT
I think the current position (i.e. not top 10) does not play into their thought process at all. We tend to think in terms of step by step progression, but if you look at the groundwork that's been laid and the players we either have or may be planning to get, coupled with the fact that when this team gels they are capable of taking on most teams in the division, there is nothing to say we cannot go from 15th to promotion (look at Leicester). I think the only time they will make a decision is if we are in danger of relegation around December, or if we miserably fail to get in the playoffs. What season would that be then 😳 Don’t be stupid, 2097 of course!
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 24, 2022 11:52:34 GMT
ROFL Sounds like all you need is a new club! If we keep the fraud and the same players we will be 15th again next season For 100% certain we will not have the same players next season. Some will leave some will arrive and MON will take us to the playoffs at the very least.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 23, 2022 17:55:05 GMT
Again, though you're quick to write off all the reconstruction that has taken place, the margins between 10th and 15th are razor slim. A bad call, a significant injury, a shot that hit the post instead of going in, a momentary lapse in concentration... I think we are not far off from where we expected to be this season and that it would be a gross error to replace the manager at this stage. Clearly 120 pages later, there are some who are adamant on both sides of the coin. I'm glad the owners are putting their money where their mouth is and backing MON to finish the job he has started. It's more a succession of bad calls (but from the manager) and it really isn't razor thin, the manager himself has said we should be at least 10 points better off and that's a conservative estimate. A run of 4 wins in 19 games is relegation form. And why don't we have those 10 points? Razor thin decisions, bounces that caused the dropped points. Very few games have we deserved to be spanked 3-0.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 23, 2022 17:51:41 GMT
All we need now is a new manager , new players then onwards and upwards ROFL Sounds like all you need is a new club!
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 23, 2022 17:49:33 GMT
Did they make the decision to go down that road? Or did they just happen to appoint a manager who saw the locomotive coming after years of appointing ones who didn't? These measures seem very much to be ones driven by him and things the owners hadn't (publicly at least) indicated they saw as a priority. Is it not a bit generous to credit 'the affect of the plan' on our performances? We were flying reasonably high earlier in the season and I don't recall 'the plan' being an issue then. Is part of it to wildly change systems and personnel from game to game in the hope that something, anything sticks? Is it to get game management wrong on a consistent basis so that leads become deficits? I think it's been abundantly clear for quite some time that the plan Forney has detailed has been going on since pretty much O'Neill first transfer window i.e. he was tasked with getting rid of the high earning players who didn't want to be here/we didn't want (only Afobe & Etebo left now) whilst bringing wage bill down massively & massive drop in transfer spending > all that has occurred sadly O'Neill performance in the last few months has been awful, if we we're knocking around the top ten somewhere I have no doubt the club would be delighted (for now) with a view to progressing next season As it is the club have a decision to make re the manager I think the current position (i.e. not top 10) does not play into their thought process at all. We tend to think in terms of step by step progression, but if you look at the groundwork that's been laid and the players we either have or may be planning to get, coupled with the fact that when this team gels they are capable of taking on most teams in the division, there is nothing to say we cannot go from 15th to promotion (look at Leicester). I think the only time they will make a decision is if we are in danger of relegation around December, or if we miserably fail to get in the playoffs.
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