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Post by GoBoks on May 16, 2021 23:01:12 GMT
Forgive me if I have missed it, but I haven't much about travel for those not vaccinated? If you can go to say Portugal on 17 May, what if you haven't been vaccinated (or wish to be vaccinated) Is it a case of you must be vaccinated to travel? If so, surely this does clearly show a route that you must comply be vaccinated, otherwise you will not have your freedom to travel Maybe I have missed it? Also, in relation to the NHS App, what if you don't have a smartphone or don't take it away when you travel I know when I have been to certain destinations, like Dusseldorf or Hamburg, I took a cheap phone just in case I was in such a state I lost it How does it work then? For green list mate it's just a single negative test to be shown on departure/arrival. Not seeing much at all on vaccine passports thankfully. Not sure if the EU are implementing anything like this? I saw something about Denmark only letting vaccinated people into pubs. Sounds pretty barmy if true. Hmm, who were the last crowd to run around demanding "PAPERS!" of everyone? Seem to recall goose-stepping jackbooted types?
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Post by GoBoks on May 16, 2021 19:29:39 GMT
Everyone's quick to point a finger. Problem is that when you point, 3 of your fingers are pointing right back at you. Take the guy who made the list for example. Simple task to copy a list from somewhere else? What could go wrong? Take a closer look at point 43. Oops, typo = mistake - on such a simple task! How much harder is it to roll out a pandemic response when you don't even know what you're dealing with and there are countless "bad actors" with hidden agendas giving you conflicting advice. If it was so simple, surely some country would have gotten their response 100% right? I bet that the people calling for someone's head over the handling of the pandemic are simply another "bad actor" trying to make political benefit out of this pitiful episode in human history.
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Post by GoBoks on May 14, 2021 23:29:30 GMT
She fucking would as well SAGE are bad enough, this lot can get to fuck 10 fold What is this sick cunt even basing her statements on? How are people like this getting a platform. Excuse my French. It's like Biden ... At 2:08 yesterday he tweets out “The rule is now simple: get vaccinated or wear a mask until you do. The choice is yours.” 20 hours earlier Dr. Fauci was saying that this is no time to drop the masks and we have to get to down to 10,000 cases a day before even thinking of doing away with masks. What "SCIENCE" changed ? Did we pass a magic milestone? - No we're at 30,000 cases a day. Did some new breakthrough occur? No- same old "SCIENCE". Did a new poll come out showing that the approval rate is falling in the one area where Biden has a decent approval - "Handling of the Covid pandemic" - YES! That's the only thing that changed between yesterday and today ..... Tell me again that the restrictions are not political but solidly based on "SCIENCE". Perhaps they meant it's based on "SCIENCE FICTION"?
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Post by GoBoks on May 14, 2021 23:19:05 GMT
WeSaySo, WeSaySo, WeSaySo, WeSaySo, WeSaySo, WeSaySo! Does anyone remember the TV show "The Dinosaurs" Earl (the dad) worked for the WeSaySo Company!
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Post by GoBoks on May 14, 2021 23:16:23 GMT
Well the local election results seem too bear them out see Hartlepool etc And that means the entire country is happy with Covid patients being sent to care homes, business uncertainty, closures and massive job losses, an ever increasing NHS waiting list, families and friends separated for over a year and to rub salt into the wounds, a Government that appears not to trust the vaccines that they're basically forcing on the population? No it means the majority are smart enough to say "thank Heaven we don't have the left wing wackos in charge or we'd be really up the creek."
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Post by GoBoks on May 13, 2021 22:10:19 GMT
My answer: Absolutely, but it's doubtful that herd immunity ever gets to 100%. Re: Fauci, I agree that vaccines can be effective, in order not to contaminate the Q&A format, I'm happy to take that up as a separate issue if you like. Clarification of your answer - in 541 AD the world's GDP (adjusted for inflation and expressed in 2011 dollars) was approximately $200 Billion while in 2019 it was approximately $135 Trillion (135 thousand Billion also adjusted for inflation and expressed in 2011 dollars). The population of the world in 541 AD was somewhere between 150 Million and 300 Million while in 2020 the world population was over 7 Billion. If you think about it for a little bit, I am sure you will agree that more resources have been poured into the response to this pandemic than any other pandemic in the history of the world. My Question - Has the Authorities response to this pandemic negatively impacted more people than any other pandemic ever? Re response size: there're historical accounts of towns being exterminated (e.g. several Jewish communities in bubonic plague outbreaks) and I would say it's also fair to describe "murdering people you blame for the plague" as being a bigger response than lockdowns. But your definition is reasonable too: I'd agree this is the biggest response in terms of net-present-value or number of people affected so I think we've agreed on that question now. Modification of my question: do you agree that if more people are immune to catching or spreading the virus, then there will be less viral spread and fewer total infections in a given time? Your Q: it depends on whether your question is "net" or "gross" and a few other definition thigns too. By "net" I mean how did the authorities' response change people's lives in reality (e.g. compared with just letting the virus go without any response), whereas "gross" means their repsonse in a vaccuum, some kind of alternate reality where there was no virus. I'd say that in gross terms yeah, it's a response that has affected more people than any other pandemic I know about. In net terms it's not clear, I think it's likely they overall saved a lot of jobs & lives. Apologies for late response, I'm a little short of time lately. Answer: Yes. This exercise is an effort to understand why we think differently and I believe I have the answer. I believe that not all lives have the same "potential" (for want of a better word). When a person is old, they have (hopefully) achieved/contributed much and are often at peace with the thought of dying. It is also unlikely that a person of say 98 will not achieve/contribute as much in their remaining years as a person of 20 will achieve/contribute in their remaining years. On the other hand, a new born baby's potential is massive. All life is important to me, however if it were to come down to me having to choose whether to save either an old codger (like me) or a new born baby, I would choose the new born baby. Given the broader picture and within the context of Covid, I believe that there are far more serious and worthwhile issues to throw TENS OF TRILLIONS of Dollars at, than a disease with a 16/10,000 mortality rate. I believe that far more lives, and lives with more "potential" could have been saved by spending these resources elsewhere. Finally, I believe that certain elements of society are absolutely taking advantage of the situation to expand their power and line their own pockets. My question: What percentage chance of picking up a serious complication do you think is acceptable for you to agree to receive the vaccine?
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Post by GoBoks on May 11, 2021 18:11:53 GMT
How many people's lives have actually been ruined then ? most people continued to work, most that couldn't have been furloughed or on the self employed scheme, I see furloughed people out exercising etc. all the time whilst I'm WFH The gyms have reopened, we'll all be back inside pubs and restaurants next week, UK holidays are back on next week, clubs etc. open in June and all restrictions in the UK lifted, there may have been a few months inconvenience but how many have really had lives ruined ? What is the % of that against the % of deaths ? It's a good question, in this country I'd hazard a guess it's a higher percentage of people than have died of covid. 14 months is more than a few months of inconvenience. Depression and suicide is allready the biggest killer of men under 40, that's without draconian measures and locking them away from friends and family. Junk food and fags are huge killers, as is booze, I'll guarantee you the intake of those has gone up massively, as has depression & anxiety. The news won't tell you a story that doesn't fit the narrative that covid19 is beyond all doubt thd biggest thing to threaten the human race since the black death. That's what the size of the measures, coverage and fear mongering make it out to be, yet as most know, it's not half as lethal to an overwhelming majority of people than they would like you to believe. You can say people have a choice to drink, eat junk and smoke thousands of fags, my reply is that's what depression can do to a person, it's done for comfort, it fills a gap. The ironic thing is, those that are locking themselves away are also going to suffer depression and mental illness through isolation and worry, they will make themselves ill before covid will do And of course, suicides etc are just the immediate impact. What about the older person who lost their company (or job) due to shutdown, can't get another job due to age, and now have to rely on family and friends to survive for the rest of their lives; or the family that ended in divorce because of the lockdown and now have to deal with that fall-out? These are not mere inconveniences.
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Post by GoBoks on May 11, 2021 17:38:52 GMT
Think it's 4k or 50% whichever is less? I thought it was 25% or a maximum of 10k, whichever is lower? Ie stadiums over 40k capacity have max of 10k Good luck with finding the current number; it seems to change every 3 minutes!
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Post by GoBoks on May 11, 2021 17:37:06 GMT
Good to see ,hope everyone is sensible and we can move forward and put this pandemic behind us. How do you mean "sensible"? That they don't kiss each other when we score? or do you expect them to be sitting 10 seats away from the next person while being double masked and vaccinated?
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Post by GoBoks on May 10, 2021 15:33:34 GMT
What a weird way to declare a line up. In the 78 World Cup Argentina squad numbers were in alphabetical order with Ossie Ardiles at number 1. Why does Sean Davis have a Copyright symbol next to his name?
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Post by GoBoks on May 10, 2021 1:13:52 GMT
because "He's" is a truncation and is actually 2 words, are you talking bollocks by saying you can sum it up in 3 words? That’s all I do so yes ! 😁 This site is called the BolloxCake isn't it?
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Post by GoBoks on May 9, 2021 19:06:10 GMT
Thanks Rob! Please do the same next year when we crack 100 points!
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Post by GoBoks on May 9, 2021 18:59:55 GMT
You're not just presenting information. You are presenting information in a way in to tell a particular story. All I have done is point out that the information does not necessarily support your story - in fact the information and the story you are telling are inconsistent and illogical. The WHO is a transnational organisation setup to raise the standard of health care across the world. It works with governments but it has no power whatsoever to tell governments what to do. Your reading of Event 201 and Fauci's warning about the next pandemic are just way off the mark. The WHO has been warning the world that it isn't prepared to deal with a pandemic - and covid has demonstrated that they were right. They weren't planning a pandemic - they were warning governments that they should be planning to deal with a pandemic. You are using evidence that supposedly supports your theory when it does nothing of the sort. You still haven't explained the glaring logical inconsistency in your narrative: Why would the WHO, Bill Gates, Dr Fauci and Imperial College create a pandemic using a virus that you have said on many occasions isn't actually dangerous? If the aim was to introduce restrictions why did they then allow vaccines to come along to cure the virus and allow governments to roll back the very restrictions the virus was supposed to introduce? If the aim all along was to rollout a vaccine that kills people why not roll out a virus that kills people rather than one that doesn't work? And if the aim was to kill people (which in itself is just plain weird) why not just poison the water supply rather than go through such a complex, contorted nonsensical plan? I am sum it up in 3 words He’s talking bollocks because "He's" is a truncation and is actually 2 words, are you talking bollocks by saying you can sum it up in 3 words?
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Post by GoBoks on May 9, 2021 18:57:58 GMT
Reopen the fucking country and sack off the masks. How do I "like" this post a million times? Except change "country" to "world"
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Post by GoBoks on May 9, 2021 18:56:22 GMT
I was speaking to my son today explaining that I’d had my second AZ jab yesterday, he told me he was disappointed I’d had it and that I’d probably be dead in 5 years as a result of having the Covid injections. The world has gone mad I remember the initial state of this pandemic in December 2019 and a few months after that when an Italian researcher said "Everyone who has had Covid-19" (or Corona rather, since it was called that at the beginning) "will die of it, sooner or later. It can happen after a few months, after some years or in just a week, they will fall and simply die." I believe that no one knows what the heck they're talking about. One thing that is absolute incontrovertible fact - If you're alive, you will die. could be in 5 years because you refused to have a Covid vaccine, could be in 5 years because you had a Covid vaccine, could be tomorrow because you slipped and banged your head, or it could be tonight while you sleep for no discernable reason. I refuse to live my life in fear and if it is to be tonight for me, I look forward to meeting my Creator.
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Post by GoBoks on May 9, 2021 18:48:18 GMT
My youngest lad has had his first jab today in Germany he had the AZ and the Dr spoke to him and said and I quote "dont listen to the foolish people the AZ is a very good vaccine i don't understand why its being rubbished its not true" Do you honestly expect a doctor who has just injected you with something to say " Hmm, I'm not sure of this vaccine. In my experience there's no smoke without a fire."? That doctor would be sued for the slightest sneeze!
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Post by GoBoks on May 7, 2021 23:33:36 GMT
Getting around ffp would be with swap deals no? Send them any of and/or a multitude of: Afobe Gregory Ince Vokes Woods Lindsay Bauer For any newly promoted team they will be looking to and happy to bring in these ‘types’ of players (not sure if anyone would actually be happy with these actual players but we can only hope) Don't forget Etebo and Ndiaye
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Post by GoBoks on May 7, 2021 23:32:19 GMT
Perhaps we are so confident in our transfer strategy, our manager, our fitness team and the players we keep that we are going all out for it. We will take the hit on any points deduction because we will smash the league with 100+ points. What could possibly go wrong.😂😂😂 You got me thinking. Say a team had a "sugar Daddy" who decided to pour a Billion Pounds into acquiring the absolute best players. Would the only penalty for doing this be 15 points? Taking that to it's logical conclusion, Say you bought Mbappe, Dembele, Felix, Pogba for a combined 500-600 Million, and took the 15 point penalty (costing you promotion but avoiding relegation) and the following year sold them all for 500-600 Million, would that become your new "income stream" so you could actually go out and buy 560-660 Million of "more appropriate" players to fuel your transition to a permanently stable Premiership club?
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Post by GoBoks on May 7, 2021 23:11:14 GMT
But how do you get him to play in a committed manor when he knows all he has to do is down tools (or if we are lucky put in the absolute minimum) and we will then accept another shitty loan to wherever? What’s a committed manor Is that a home for the bewildered 🤣 Oh, I thought it was a home for the very determined?
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Post by GoBoks on May 7, 2021 23:10:32 GMT
So Galatasary have decided not to offer him a deal and he is going to be returning. He’s still got 2 years on his contract, and I doubt there will be many after him from the UK or abroad. I know many on here will not be bothered but can MON get a tune out of him. Hes had a lot of injuries while out on loan but in this crap league maybe he would be an asset. Or do we just keep paying his wages and let him rot. <In my best Dalek voice> TERMINATE< TERMINATE< TERMINATE! (His contract of course, before some weird crazy wacko accuses me of trying to incite violence against him)
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Post by GoBoks on May 7, 2021 22:53:00 GMT
Incredibly disappointing list and not helpful for the travel industry in the slightest. Seen some interviews with industry leaders and they are not happy especially as signals within government were more promising. The inclusion of Australia and New zealand whilst leaving out the USA is laughable. To be honest it's political and done with the intention to stifle travel rather than get it going again. I feel very sorry for the industry Seriously, USA is still hitting 40k cases a day and more die in a few days than ANZ have in the total of the pandemic www.dallasnews.com/news/immigration/2018/01/30/13-children-among-76-immigrants-crammed-in-back-of-truck-near-laredo/Is it any wonder with border policies like Biden has implemented? 76 Adults crammed together in a tractor trailer and then released into the country? And this was 1 truck! There have been hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants pouring over the mexican border into US over the last few months. But I am supposed to believe that little old me, who works remotely and gets out of my house maybe 3 times a week to shop, is the cause of "mass slaughter" because I don't believe the Covid vaccines have been adequately tested?
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Post by GoBoks on May 7, 2021 18:34:13 GMT
I'm amazed the likes of TUI and Jet2 aren't seriously kicking off. Spain will be monitored of the next couple of weeks, which coincides with their easing of restrictions this weekend which no doubt will see increased "infections" and a good reason to remain amber. The whole fucking thing stinks. Absolutely, as I've said this list is designed to stop holidays plain and simple. They've added the likes of Aus and NZ just to make it look bigger and may as well have added the Moon and Mars too as they are equally pointless. I know TUI are operating fairly well in their European markets so would be insulted by this along with the airports as well especially big holiday hubs like Gatwick etc. When Jet2 announced their last wave of cancellations their CEO had a pop at the governments handling of it all. Grant Shapps himself said islands would be looked at separate to mainland but has gone back on that as well - I know Spanish and Greek islands are doing very well with vaccines so makes no sense Perhaps the most incredible one is USA not on the green list considering we are 2 of the most successful countries right now in handling this and it's vital to economy. Surely they have to include them soon else Mr Biden and his entourage will have to hold up in a premier Inn at Heathrow!! The last thing Biden wants is for any sense of normality returning to the USA. You guys have to work with us and wait for him to pass his 6 Trillion Dollar "Covid relief" packages before making any progress. I almost choked and spat my coffee all over the breakfast laughing this morning when I saw Ted Cruz say "Please God, don't tell the democrats what comes after Trillion!".
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Post by GoBoks on May 7, 2021 18:28:42 GMT
I think it'll end up being banned once other vaccines become widely available. I had a terrible time with it and still not right now after 3 weeks. I know someone in their early 40s who passed out and fell down stairs the night after. There's a capillary leakage issue that drops your blood pressure which affects younger people with good immune systems. So on one hand you were an advocate for the vaccine encouraging others to take it,now your advising it be banned ! Which one is it ? No doubt your still pro vaccine and will continue to cheerlead big pharma. C'mon Mate, don't be pedantic. Don't you know that the vaccine is 100% safe and there is nothing experimental about it? After all, over 800 Million people have taken the shot (poor sods) so all possible side effects must be known, musn't they? Nothing can go wrong ... an go wrong ..... n go wrong ......... goooooooooo wrrrrrrooooo
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Post by GoBoks on May 7, 2021 18:22:18 GMT
I think you're right. I think we're already seeing a plateau in lots of respects, 'cases', hospitalisations and deaths. There probably is an element of fear in the younger groups too, particularly with the AZ vaccine that is putting them off, and as you say, the risk is already very low to them anyway. The virus will always circulate(seasonally) in the community at low levels, but now that the most vulnerable people have been protected(and we've seen that evidence in the data) I think we're in a pretty good position to move forward and ease more restrictions. Some minimal restrictions will remain in place, but for the most part it will feel more normal, much more normal than the rest of Europe anyway. I agree with pretty much all of that. However: Herd immunity acts like a fire break - if a population hits herd immunity there will be outbreaks but they will be small and isolated. If you don't hit herd immunity what you've got is an on-going low level fire. If you don't hit herd immunity (which we won't if large numbers of people under 30 don't have the jab) then far, far more people will be seriously ill or die of covid. The thing about risks is that you have to see it from two perspectives - risks to individuals and risks to the population as a whole. So if you are under 30 and your risk of dying of covid is 0.01% (1 in 10,000) then you as an individual have a very good chance of being fine if you don't have the jab. However if 1 million young people decide not to have the jab 100 of them will die as a result of the effect of those individual decisions not to have it. In addition because the vaccines aren't perfect the more people who are spreading the virus the more people who have had the jab will die. Basically there is no rational reason to have the jab - it will result in more deaths and serious illness. As you say the issue is fear and that fear is born of a vague sense of paranoia and has no basis in the available evidence. People are going to die because they can't differentiate between perceived and actual risk - and there are people out there stoking up the fear and egging them on to make a decision that will increase their chances of dying. "Where oh death is thy sting" There are worse things than dying! Would you rather have a 16 in 10,000 chance of dying of Covid (which you can greatly further reduce the chances of contracting it by using a little common-sense) or a 1 in 1 Million chance of being permanently handicapped because of an action you purposefully took and which you are unable to affect the outcome after taking the shot? I'll go with the Covid risk thank you.
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Post by GoBoks on May 7, 2021 18:07:56 GMT
Just so I understand, you are adamant about "following the science" when it comes to Covid in order to potentially save human lives, but reserve the right to reject the science when it comes to abortion and the purposeful killing of human lives? Personhood is not a scientific concept though, it's moral philosophy. A fertilised egg in no situation is ever capable of doing any of the things that distinguish humans from animals and it's not a person to me. But again, that's off topic, we agree that people's lives have intrinsic value and covid is affecting people so the rights of an embryo aren't really relevant to a covid thread. Is a 1 day old baby not a person? It also cannot do anything that distinguishes humans from animals. A human life is a human life. Scientists agree that an embryo is human. They also agree that it is alive. Therefore a human life. What makes a human who has lived 70+ years and has maybe 20 years of life left more important than a human who has still got maybe 90 years to live? Why should we listen to science regarding potentially making a human's life safer while ignoring science when it comes to killing human lives?
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Post by GoBoks on May 6, 2021 21:40:17 GMT
The "When does life begin question". While many find it a convenient salve to dehumanize a human embryo, I'm sorry to say that "Science" (you know that thing that everyone says we should all follow?) disagrees with you. There is not a credible "scientist" in the world that still argues that life begins at the moment of birth and while some might say "life begins when brain waves can be detected" (about 44 days after fertilization for a human), the overwhelmingly vast majority agree that human life begins at the moment of fertilization. Perhaps you were unaware of the facts? I shouldn't have taken the bite on that one since this is a totally different topic from covid. I deeply respect your passion for what you believe to be protecting human life, but I strongly disagree that human personhood begins at conception so I just don't believe you're actually protecting human life. I aren't having a go or being snarky: I understand how you got to your belief and am convinced it's sincere, I just got to a different belief. But this is a covid thread where we all agree that the affected people are actually people, so this discussion doesn't add anything. After a quick response to Northy I'm going to leave it there. Just so I understand, you are adamant about "following the science" when it comes to Covid in order to potentially save human lives, but reserve the right to reject the science when it comes to abortion and the purposeful killing of human lives?
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Post by GoBoks on May 6, 2021 21:35:57 GMT
I did answer your question see highlighted text above. But for simplicity: Yes. As far as Fauci goes, what part of what he said was sensible: (A)"Masks have no effect"; (B)"Masks are simply a PR exercise"; (C)"Everyone should wear a mask until a vaccine is available; (D)"No one should take their masks off in public except to eat"; (E)"People should replace their masks after every bite"; (F)"People should drink through their masks"; (G)"People should wear 2 masks at the same time"; or (H) " People should wear 2 masks even if they have been fully vaccinated"? I've labelled them A-H to avoid confusion and simplify your response. But for my question - Do you agree that the amount of resources (level of response) thrown at this pandemic worldwide far outweighs anything that has ever been thrown at any medical crisis in a 12-18 month period? I'll to assume your answers means effective in that it stops someone getting a bad infection and it reduces the chance that someone can transmit it to others. In that case my next question is: do you believe that herd immunity is a real thing and that with enough people vaccinated we'd hit it for covid? Re Fauci: you said "According to many scientists (like the esteemable Dr. Fauci) everyone should still be wearing masks (in fact he now advocates wearing 2 masks). If he and his science is to be believed, the only logical conclusion is that the vaccine is not effective." and I think Fauci's approach there makes total sense there. If we were 100% sure that vaccines were 100% effective against stopping transmission then you wouldn't need masks around unvaccinated people. But we're not 100% sure they're 100% effective so he's playing it safe. Your question: I won't say ever because I don't know much about things like the plague of Justinian, but in living memory I'd say yeah, this is clearly the response to a health-based crisis. My answer: Absolutely, but it's doubtful that herd immunity ever gets to 100%. Re: Fauci, I agree that vaccines can be effective, in order not to contaminate the Q&A format, I'm happy to take that up as a separate issue if you like. Clarification of your answer - in 541 AD the world's GDP (adjusted for inflation and expressed in 2011 dollars) was approximately $200 Billion while in 2019 it was approximately $135 Trillion (135 thousand Billion also adjusted for inflation and expressed in 2011 dollars). The population of the world in 541 AD was somewhere between 150 Million and 300 Million while in 2020 the world population was over 7 Billion. If you think about it for a little bit, I am sure you will agree that more resources have been poured into the response to this pandemic than any other pandemic in the history of the world. My Question - Has the Authorities response to this pandemic negatively impacted more people than any other pandemic ever?
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Post by GoBoks on May 4, 2021 21:43:01 GMT
About 4,000 to 10,000 people die each year from the evil of landmines. If you could stop someone from planting a landmine, would you? About 42 Million people die each year from the evil of abortion. If you could stop someone from having an abortion, would you? Fetuses aren't people so it's not remotely a comparison for me. The "When does life begin question". While many find it a convenient salve to dehumanize a human embryo, I'm sorry to say that "Science" (you know that thing that everyone says we should all follow?) disagrees with you. There is not a credible "scientist" in the world that still argues that life begins at the moment of birth and while some might say "life begins when brain waves can be detected" (about 44 days after fertilization for a human), the overwhelmingly vast majority agree that human life begins at the moment of fertilization. Perhaps you were unaware of the facts?
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Post by GoBoks on May 4, 2021 21:00:18 GMT
Very interesting situation. In the USA, none of the vaccines are approved by the FDA. The vaccine has an "emergency use" waiver. This means that it is impossible for a company to insist (Think airline, hotel, restaurant, etc) on having a "vaccine passport" I'd imagine that the situation is fairly similar in most countries. As far as I am concerned, if someone wants to deny access to me, there are a 100 other places that will be happy to take my money. A buddy of mine has refused to wear a mask anywhere. He tells the story about a security guard at a jewelery store ordering him to put on a mask. He refused and the guard said "I can make you put on a mask". He told the guard "you can tell me to leave your premises, but you cannot make me wear a mask, but before you do so, ask your manager if they really want me to leave and not buy that $50,000 necklace". He stayed and did not put on a mask. Of course, he has the money to make a difference on his own, but if everyone just refused to take crap, things would change in a heartbeat. Spot on, you'd think nobody in their right mind will refuse money, especially after a pandemic, they need everything they can get and it's thd same with countries aswell, some rely heavily on tourism revenue. The question I suppose will be how many get this jab, if it's something high like 90% they could introduce them to force the rest to get it Not a chance. It would make one hell of a lawsuit!
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Post by GoBoks on May 4, 2021 19:09:27 GMT
[snip] My old mother 80+ won't take the vaccine. She says taking the vaccine is something you decide yourself. If you die from the vaccine then it was because you've choosen the vaccine. But if you get Covid-19, it's something you didn't choose. Then you can't blame yourself. That's how she sees it. [snip] I've wondered about this sort of thing for a while, it's a bit like that trolley problem. Blowing someone up is evil. How evil is it compared with letting someone walk over a landmine when you knew it was there and could easily have told them not to? In the first case it's your clear choice and in the second it's your inaction and would have happened without you. I always try to do the best thing so I would tell the person about the landmine, and vaccines are even more different because they protect other people too. I can see how your Mum got to thinking like that but I hope she changes her mind for your sake too. When my parents got their jabs it was just a huge weight off my back that I didn't realise I'd been carrying. About 4,000 to 10,000 people die each year from the evil of landmines. If you could stop someone from planting a landmine, would you? About 42 Million people die each year from the evil of abortion. If you could stop someone from having an abortion, would you?
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