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Post by wuzza on Feb 24, 2022 9:26:09 GMT
Do we need another thread stating the obvious? Fuck it, why not. Nathan Jones described Luton as 'front-footed', 'athletic' and 'aggressive'. We were passive, slow and soft. Same story for the last few years. Brazil or a Sunday League team, if you show less desire than the opposition you lose. It's a footballing cliche, but you need to earn the right to play football. We need to force our passing football on teams. Not sit there waiting for it to happen, then whinge at the referee when it doesn't work and the opposition bully us. Bully them back. Run more than them. Play as a collective. Forwards, defend, put in a tackle. Everyone should want the ball. As much as our players think they're great. They aren't. And MON needs to tell them so. If we're going to win anything, the attitude needs to be right. That's every game. Every mid week game and against teams below us. Not just when we're on the telly or playing a sexy team. Anyway sorry for boring you with the same old stuff. It's fucking obvious to us at least. It has long been a concern of mine that we are trying to play in a way that we aren’t actually quite good enough for and boy does the Championship expose this sometimes.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 24, 2022 9:23:24 GMT
Too easy to say get rid of the manager There were two teams, luton played well, they doubled/tripled up on players, even had to bring bidace off ....who would we get? Nathan Jones Players have to take responsibility....as usual passing was rediculous again, especially wilmot Bursik made some brilliant saves but is a liability kicking or passing it out Every team has games like that You could tell the players hadnt turned up and MON was frustrated.. like the fans The players worried me greatly - that old familiar combination lack of back bone and basic nous from recent seasons seemed to re-emerge with a vengeance.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 24, 2022 9:20:01 GMT
Allen and Bursik reputations in tact. The rest - start again. I thought Bursik was poor in the main. Struggled to catch the ball first time and distribution was way off. You are probably right - just thought it could have been worse but for a couple of good saves. Mind you that’s what goalies are paid to do. The bar was set quite low in my assessment 🙂
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Post by wuzza on Feb 24, 2022 8:34:12 GMT
It was a hard nosed pragmatic interview that followed a similar performance from his team. None of the flowery nonsense that he used to produce here. The bloke has probably learned and grown as a manager. No reason for us to take any offence just take on board the comments and try to address them.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 24, 2022 7:47:20 GMT
Further development of some of the younger players would be handy for next season.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 24, 2022 7:45:08 GMT
It’s basically why he is still thrashing around in the Championship. Could and should have had a career at the top level. Why should he? I’m sure he’s happy doing what he’s doing. Absolutely - it’s a scenario we have to tolerate and take the good with the bad.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 24, 2022 7:42:44 GMT
What do you feel has held him back in his career? He seemed to have some attitude problems at Manchester United and Leicester. He also seems to prefer being a big fish in a smaller pond. I’m not especially bothered about that though, much like I wasn’t with players like Fuller who also probably should’ve had better careers than they did. He’s incredibly important to us and that’s all that matters. I think you are right on all accounts there. We have to take the rough with the smooth. If he was the complete package he wouldn’t be here I guess.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 23:44:08 GMT
Allen and Bursik reputations in tact. The rest - start again.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 23:33:34 GMT
Fair do’s. Not a lot you can argue with there.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 23:31:03 GMT
I think you are right. It runs far deeper than just sacking a bloke and simply carrying on the next day with a new bloke stood on the touch line. AI thought his post match interview on R.Stoke was a reasonable assessment on his behalf and he is clearly taken aback by the lack of winning mentality in some of his players. B A It does, but it has to start by changing the man in charge.B This is the difference between club management and international management. For internationals, players turn up to play for their country, boosted by being selected and already motivated. The day to day grind of league football is totally different. Players need motivating all the time. Good man management is knowing how to motivate each individual*, and the group. * Everyone is different and responds differently Some need an arm around them, some increased reward, others need AKITA.
I agree in that I think this is where MON is finding out big style the difference between club and international management.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 23:29:03 GMT
To round off the evening 3 more injuries Tyson - hamstring Philogene -bidace - groin Harwood bellis struggled after a hefty tackle ☹️ Frankly the more different players who get a chance to make a mark in what remains of the season the better.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 23:19:04 GMT
We've got good quality in the side. MON now picks a good team, but the leadership just isn't there. Fucking depressing. Quality is nothing without attitude and some of our guys seem to wilt at the slightest hint of pressure or things not going their way. We are the antithesis of what we were when last got out of this league.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 23:14:30 GMT
I think you are right. It runs far deeper than just sacking a bloke and simply carrying on the next day with a new bloke stood on the touch line. I thought his post match interview on R.Stoke was a reasonable assessment on his behalf and he is clearly taken aback by the lack of winning mentality in some of his players. I haven't heard the interview so can't comment on the context it was delivered, but as a straight A to B answer to that, they are players he has brought to the club. If they have a lack of a winning mentality then he needs a serious chat in the mirror. Which is basically what he said - if the players can’t rise to the challenge they need to be elsewhere.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 23:13:02 GMT
I think you are right. It runs far deeper than just sacking a bloke and simply carrying on the next day with a new bloke stood on the touch line. I thought his post match interview on R.Stoke was a reasonable assessment on his behalf and he is clearly taken aback by the lack of winning mentality in some of his players. Players he has brought in Either poor recruitment or selection Both down to MON Absolutely. I don’t think he would duck that issue. I think he is truly finding out what a tough job club management at this level is in terms of trying to achieve success rather than just averting disaster as he did in quite well in his first 16 months or so.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 23:08:17 GMT
Have to admire your consistency in creating this thread tonight 🙂
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 23:05:39 GMT
Yes and what creative threat that is.... I agree we would be worse off without him, but I don't think we would be significantly worse. We would end up mid table again anyway just as we have with him season after season. Therefore, I don't understand the splurge surrounding him. He is far too inconsistent and his goals return is absolutely nothing to shout about. His form is consistently sporadic, thus he's probably not good enough to help us get promoted. We need a squad of exceptional players to get promoted, And I don't think we are capable of recruiting that squad nor utilising them properly (as O'niell is now demonstrating with at many players with apparent potential). Bellis' loan is an absolute disaster. I don't think JPB will reflect all that glowingly on winning 1 game in what may well be the next 10 games (given our consistent inability to win, 2 in 11, 1 win at home in 4 months....). This is pretty embarrassing either way. Powell isn't the problem but the team is nowhere near good enough for promotion with the current manager. Next season is just as likely to be a disaster than a success, but most likely just another mid table shite. He is generally consistent though, if you look at his contribution over the last couple of seasons. Who are you comparing him to, exactly, in his position? For a bloke who doesn’t play as an out and out striker his goal return is entirely respectable, 14th in the division last year and nearly 1 in 2 this season before he broke his leg. What do you feel has held him back in his career?
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 23:00:22 GMT
Blimey thats a very sad thought. True though, isn't it? Andy Cousins who is now Chief Football Officer or something? All the coaching staff apart from Rory, fitness and Sport Science along with the recruitment department. All this managers men. Any new man will want his men above, alongside and below him. I think you are right. It runs far deeper than just sacking a bloke and simply carrying on the next day with a new bloke stood on the touch line. I thought his post match interview on R.Stoke was a reasonable assessment on his behalf and he is clearly taken aback by the lack of winning mentality in some of his players.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 22:54:10 GMT
I don't think they are. I think people are just realising he probably won't play premier League football in his career. He isn't the difference at all, he's basically the continuity. I think that’s a fair assessment. He’s often pretty good but will a team like Fulham be beating down our door in the summer for him as a reasonably priced option to take with them to the next level? - probably not. Says it all about his career really.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 22:29:23 GMT
Another night that showed how much poorer the club will be as and when Joe leaves.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 21:51:42 GMT
That’s as dispirited as I’ve been this season. Players seem to lack a bit of bottle and that’s not easily sorted.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 21:49:22 GMT
It’s basically why he is still thrashing around in the Championship. Could and should have had a career at the top level.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 21:27:39 GMT
The cold windy night in Stoke cliche really becomes an issue when you are Stoke.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 21:22:01 GMT
Can the game be abandoned if the ball wont stay put for a corner ????
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 21:18:07 GMT
More comedy defending.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 21:04:02 GMT
That’ll be that then.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 20:22:11 GMT
Games like this we look like we should be a good side ......but we dont seem to threaten much and there’s always a calamity waiting at the back.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 9:44:25 GMT
Well if you are short of something to watch between 3am and 4am on a Tuesday morning that’s sorted 🙂 Forgive my cynicism but we all know the EFL counts for nothing as far as national media is concerned.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 23, 2022 8:11:12 GMT
I would imagine that his life experience and down to earth Mancunian roots (that are very evident in these interviews) make Holden a very grounded and straight forward bloke for the players to relate to.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 20, 2022 14:09:33 GMT
We have improved and continue to do so. The last steps to turn the side into one capable of challenging for promotion will be the most difficult as we need to seek out - 1. Players of high Championship quality that will make a difference when needed (will we be allowed to pay the amounts needed?) 2. Players with a tough winning mentality that will get us through games like yesterday. It’s a very difficult task especially when so many sides are much of a muchness in this league. MON has got to have another couple of seasons to see if he can get everything in place. If you need to give a manager 5 years to turn us into a genuine promotion contender, despite being one of the best backed managers in the league then he probably isn’t the right man for the job. Corberan, Wilder and Cooper have managed to do all of what you said in a matter of months at their respective clubs. A long term lasting job might well require that time. No point in going up just to be cannon fodder like Norwich and West Brom do. Needs to make lasting and significant changes to structure and culture and then wait for them to yield results. In a 160 year history of achieving sweet FA is 5 years that significant ? Just depends if you think MON , Holden and their back up team are the people for that job - I think they have done good things so far.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 20, 2022 10:33:07 GMT
We have improved and continue to do so. The last steps to turn the side into one capable of challenging for promotion will be the most difficult as we need to seek out - 1. Players of high Championship quality that will make a difference when needed (will we be allowed to pay the amounts needed?) 2. Players with a tough winning mentality that will get us through games like yesterday. It’s a very difficult task especially when so many sides are much of a muchness in this league. MON has got to have another couple of seasons to see if he can get everything in place.
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