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Post by bloodtypered on Feb 24, 2022 9:14:49 GMT
Too easy to say get rid of the manager  There were two teams, luton played well, they doubled/tripled up on players, even had to bring bidace off  ....who would we get? Nathan Jones Players have to take responsibility....as usual passing was rediculous again, especially wilmot Bursik made some brilliant saves but is a liability kicking or passing it out Every team has games like that You could tell the players hadnt turned up and MON was frustrated.. like the fans |
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Post by albundy on Feb 24, 2022 9:17:47 GMT
Too easy to say get rid of the manager There were two teams, luton played well, they doubled/tripled up on players, even had to bring bidace off ....who would we get? Nathan Jones Players have to take responsibility....as usual passing was rediculous again, especially wilmot Bursik made some brilliant saves but is a liability kicking or passing it out Every team has games like that You could tell the players hadnt turned up and MON was frustrated.. like the fans Why didn't we just play simple passes to the free men if they had 2 or 3 on each of ours? We struggled to keep the ball at all last night. Returned to passing around at the back then a hoof upfield |
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Post by bloodtypered on Feb 24, 2022 9:21:57 GMT
Too easy to say get rid of the manager  There were two teams, luton played well, they doubled/tripled up on players, even had to bring bidace off  ....who would we get? Nathan Jones Players have to take responsibility....as usual passing was rediculous again, especially wilmot Bursik made some brilliant saves but is a liability kicking or passing it out Every team has games like that You could tell the players hadnt turned up and MON was frustrated.. like the fans Why didn't we just play simple passes to the free men if they had 2 or 3 on each of ours? We struggled to keep the ball at all last night. Returned to passing around at the back then a hoof upfield They played well, and pressurised |
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Post by albundy on Feb 24, 2022 9:23:11 GMT
Why didn't we just play simple passes to the free men if they had 2 or 3 on each of ours? We struggled to keep the ball at all last night. Returned to passing around at the back then a hoof upfield They played well, and pressurised Yes, and we looked miles off the required level. |
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Post by wuzza on Feb 24, 2022 9:23:24 GMT
Too easy to say get rid of the manager There were two teams, luton played well, they doubled/tripled up on players, even had to bring bidace off ....who would we get? Nathan Jones Players have to take responsibility....as usual passing was rediculous again, especially wilmot Bursik made some brilliant saves but is a liability kicking or passing it out Every team has games like that You could tell the players hadnt turned up and MON was frustrated.. like the fans The players worried me greatly - that old familiar combination lack of back bone and basic nous from recent seasons seemed to re-emerge with a vengeance. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 24, 2022 9:29:11 GMT
If only it were just one game..... Table since West Brom game on 1st October Stoke's worst ever Expected Goals totals since the metric came into existence1 0.08 3-1 Brentford A (18-19) Jones' first game 2 0.14 5-0 Chelsea A (17-18) 3 0.19 0-0 Derby A (20-21) 4 0.21 0-2 Man City H (17-18) 5 0.22 1-1 Leicester A (17-18) 6 0.23 1-2 Luton H 23rd FEBRUARY7 0.24 1-1 Newcastle A (14-15) 8 0.27 1-2 Derby H 30th DECEMBER9 0.27 0-1 Blackburn H 27TH NOVEMBER
10 0.28 2-0 Pboro H 20TH NOVEMBER |
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Post by wuzza on Feb 24, 2022 9:31:16 GMT
At the back end of a season the tough get going ,Stoke players on the evidence of recent seasons, reach for the travel brochures !
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Post by bloodtypered on Feb 24, 2022 10:46:25 GMT
At the back end of a season the tough get going ,Stoke players on the evidence of recent seasons, reach for the travel brochures ! Im sure they would want to be in the playoffs than holiday We all know how fickle fans are |
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Post by wuzza on Feb 24, 2022 11:18:58 GMT
At the back end of a season the tough get going ,Stoke players on the evidence of recent seasons, reach for the travel brochures ! Im sure they would want to be in the playoffs than holiday We all know how fickle fans are You would hope so but I have doubts about the mental toughness of some of them to achieve such goals. Let’s hope the rest of the season is productive in working towards that ambition next year. |
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 24, 2022 11:23:34 GMT
I think we still have too many players who think they are better than than they are.
When we go behind, or even when we cant get ahead in a game, we play like we have been robbed and go into headless chicken mode as if we are trying readdress some grave injustice.
Teams like Luton have some humility and sense of realism, in the sense that they are aware of their strengths and limitations.
I don't think we are aware of our limitations at all.
We cant even organise a throw-in!!!
We just expect to turn up and win most games with a sense of entitlement thinking we have got the better players.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 24, 2022 11:25:38 GMT
Too easy to say get rid of the manager There were two teams, luton played well, they doubled/tripled up on players, even had to bring bidace off ....who would we get? Nathan Jones Players have to take responsibility....as usual passing was rediculous again, especially wilmot Bursik made some brilliant saves but is a liability kicking or passing it out Every team has games like that You could tell the players hadnt turned up and MON was frustrated.. like the fans I agree to an extent. But last night was a massive game. A real 6 pointer. But our players had the urgency of a limp lettuce. MON has to accept a lot of the responsibility for their complete ineptitude. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 24, 2022 11:26:31 GMT
Its not just one game though is it, its been poor for some time, this season and last season (parts of).
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 24, 2022 11:27:16 GMT
Too easy to say get rid of the manager There were two teams, luton played well, they doubled/tripled up on players, even had to bring bidace off ....who would we get? Nathan Jones Players have to take responsibility....as usual passing was rediculous again, especially wilmot Bursik made some brilliant saves but is a liability kicking or passing it out Every team has games like that You could tell the players hadnt turned up and MON was frustrated.. like the fans We’ve played a lot of shit games this season where the players haven’t turned up , tactics wrong etc , but that last night was indefensible and that stops at the manager, his team his tactics and we were woeful , we’ve got another titanic moment but do we sink or man the lifeboats 😉 |
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Post by bloodtypered on Feb 24, 2022 13:47:08 GMT
Ive watched them home and away.....Stoke have struggled most against teams who chase everything and badger them all the time...Stoke have done that too.
Most teams struggle against that
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Post by onionman on Feb 24, 2022 13:59:28 GMT
If only it were just one game..... Table since West Brom game on 1st OctoberStoke's worst ever Expected Goals totals since the metric came into existence1 0.08 3-1 Brentford A (18-19) Jones' first game 2 0.14 5-0 Chelsea A (17-18) 3 0.19 0-0 Derby A (20-21) 4 0.21 0-2 Man City H (17-18) 5 0.22 1-1 Leicester A (17-18) 6 0.23 1-2 Luton H 23rd FEBRUARY7 0.24 1-1 Newcastle A (14-15) 8 0.27 1-2 Derby H 30th DECEMBER9 0.27 0-1 Blackburn H 27TH NOVEMBER
10 0.28 2-0 Pboro H 20TH NOVEMBERSlightly off topic, but that Brentford match, where we had an expected goal of 0.08. Wow! That works out at one expected goal every 1,250 minutes, or every 14 games. I had forgotten about that game. It was our first attempt at the diamond wasn't it, and all our players were randomly charging around like 7-year-olds on a bouncy castle at a birthday party. Great times. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 24, 2022 14:13:35 GMT
If only it were just one game..... Table since West Brom game on 1st OctoberStoke's worst ever Expected Goals totals since the metric came into existence1 0.08 3-1 Brentford A (18-19) Jones' first game 2 0.14 5-0 Chelsea A (17-18) 3 0.19 0-0 Derby A (20-21) 4 0.21 0-2 Man City H (17-18) 5 0.22 1-1 Leicester A (17-18) 6 0.23 1-2 Luton H 23rd FEBRUARY7 0.24 1-1 Newcastle A (14-15) 8 0.27 1-2 Derby H 30th DECEMBER9 0.27 0-1 Blackburn H 27TH NOVEMBER
10 0.28 2-0 Pboro H 20TH NOVEMBERSlightly off topic, but that Brentford match, where we had an expected goal of 0.08. Wow! That works out at one expected goal every 1,250 minutes, or every 14 games. I had forgotten about that game. It was our first attempt at the diamond wasn't it, and all our players were randomly charging around like 7-year-olds on a bouncy castle at a birthday party. Great times. Yeah - that match was a great introduction to Nathanball  Afobe's goal appears to be a 1-in-20 chance and the only other one listed is a 2% long range shot from Tom Ince! www.infogol.net/en/matches/result/english-football-league-championship/stoke-vs-luton-2022-02-23/933501And yesterday was heading in that direction tobe our worst since, before Fletcher's very late header (6%) and the goal (3%) lifted it up the placings to be only the 6th worst ever! |
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 24, 2022 14:18:41 GMT
I can't get my head around how bad these stats are. I mean professional football and stats that low are crazy? Even as a sensible (ish) supporter with hundreds of games under my belt, I understand you aren't going to win every game and even the best lose games they both should and shouldn't, but how the hell do you chalk up stats that bad? It's almost impossible to be that bad and we seem to rack them up like a Wigan fan eats pies. |
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Post by yyy on Feb 24, 2022 14:27:19 GMT
I can't get my head around how bad these stats are. I mean professional football and stats that low are crazy? Even as a sensible (ish) supporter with hundreds of games under my belt, I understand you aren't going to win every game and even the best lose games they both should and shouldn't, but how the hell do you chalk up stats that bad? It's almost impossible to be that bad and we seem to rack them up like a Wigan fan eats pies. It's nothing to do with winning every game, or just one game. Last night was a must win game and we didn't break a sweat, not good enough, get him gone today. The signs are there he's not the man for the job if we want to go up. No need for delay, get him gone today. It's not rocket science, he can't motivate the team when it matters, o Neill is a mid table maestro |
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 24, 2022 14:34:24 GMT
..harder to do. Last season and now this one  |
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Post by onionman on Feb 24, 2022 14:59:59 GMT
Stunning. So the Luton, Derby, Peterborough and Blackburn games COMBINED add up to a total of 1.05 expected goals. Meaning that in 4 home games against poor to middling Championship fodder, when we have desperately needed wins, 3 of the measly 4 goals we managed to score were basically against the run of play. I like O'Neill but those stats alone make his position as manager pretty untenable. Personally, I would give him a role behind the scenes where he can make sensible decisions without being directly responsible for what happens on the pitch. |
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 24, 2022 15:06:21 GMT
Too easy to say get rid of the manager There were two teams, luton played well, they doubled/tripled up on players, even had to bring bidace off ....who would we get? Nathan Jones Players have to take responsibility....as usual passing was rediculous again, especially wilmot Bursik made some brilliant saves but is a liability kicking or passing it out Every team has games like that You could tell the players hadnt turned up and MON was frustrated.. like the fans Why didn't we just play simple passes to the free men if they had 2 or 3 on each of ours? We struggled to keep the ball at all last night. Returned to passing around at the back then a hoof upfield “Hmmm, yes, good question, very good question. I’ll have to think about that, have to think very deeply about that.” |
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 24, 2022 15:08:22 GMT
Too easy to say get rid of the manager There were two teams, luton played well, they doubled/tripled up on players, even had to bring bidace off ....who would we get? Nathan Jones Players have to take responsibility....as usual passing was rediculous again, especially wilmot Bursik made some brilliant saves but is a liability kicking or passing it out Every team has games like that You could tell the players hadnt turned up and MON was frustrated.. like the fans Why didn't we just play simple passes to the free men if they had 2 or 3 on each of ours? We struggled to keep the ball at all last night. Returned to passing around at the back then a hoof upfield Because we were frightened of being hurt and had no one prepared to risk getting caught with the ball so just got rid in the most convenient way. |
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 24, 2022 15:13:21 GMT
Yay... Another thread on whether the manager should stay or go
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 24, 2022 15:14:47 GMT
I can't get my head around how bad these stats are. I mean professional football and stats that low are crazy? Even as a sensible (ish) supporter with hundreds of games under my belt, I understand you aren't going to win every game and even the best lose games they both should and shouldn't, but how the hell do you chalk up stats that bad? It's almost impossible to be that bad and we seem to rack them up like a Wigan fan eats pies. I’m not defending last night in any way. But….. no it’s not almost impossible, every season in every league there are teams that are worse than that. That table shows us in our “slump” patch and ignores our “good “ patch. Any fool can tell you we need to do better than we have since WBA if we want to go up. I am shocked that 4 of our worst games have been this season, but equally, 3 of them came before The January window. We have made progress and last night was IMO an aberration. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 24, 2022 15:17:47 GMT
I can't get my head around how bad these stats are. I mean professional football and stats that low are crazy? Even as a sensible (ish) supporter with hundreds of games under my belt, I understand you aren't going to win every game and even the best lose games they both should and shouldn't, but how the hell do you chalk up stats that bad? It's almost impossible to be that bad and we seem to rack them up like a Wigan fan eats pies. I’m not defending last night in any way. But….. no it’s not almost impossible, every season in every league there are teams that are worse than that. That table shows us in our “slump” patch and ignores our “good “ patch. Any fool can tell you we need to do better than we have since WBA if we want to go up. I am shocked that 4 of our worst games have been this season, but equally, 3 of them came before The January window. We have made progress and last night was IMO an aberration. We've got the 4th worst XG in the league over the course of the whole season - ahead of only Derby, Pboro and Barnsley. |
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 24, 2022 15:49:53 GMT
It’s really not just one game though …..
The Championship is a sea of mediocrity and we’re drawing with or getting beat by sides that are worse than us (on paper) and the quality of attacking football that is being served up is awful.
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 24, 2022 16:14:25 GMT
I’m not defending last night in any way. But….. no it’s not almost impossible, every season in every league there are teams that are worse than that. That table shows us in our “slump” patch and ignores our “good “ patch. Any fool can tell you we need to do better than we have since WBA if we want to go up. I am shocked that 4 of our worst games have been this season, but equally, 3 of them came before The January window. We have made progress and last night was IMO an aberration. We've got the 4th worst XG in the league over the course of the whole season - ahead of only Derby, Pboro and Barnsley. Yes, and I hate it, but to say it's almost impossible is just plain wrong. Now I do think that it must be very rare that a team in the top half of the table has such a bad expected goals ratio. Just goes to show, that the game is not played on paper ....yet. |
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....who would we get? Nathan Jones
....who would we get? Nathan Jones
