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Post by alster on Dec 21, 2017 14:39:25 GMT
He picked a very bad job to start with, in an unfamiliar league, with a language he doesn’t speak. However, I think he has the potential to manage in the English league, he should start in League One or Two though and prove himself. I wonder if he actually wants it enough though, he is set for life already and is doing a decent job as a pundit, does he really need the pressure that comes along with managing a football club? I’m not convinced. Who the fuck does when you see what it does for them Bilic, Moyes, Kenny Dalglish I honestly feared for his life the last time he came back it made him look so ill.
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Post by alster on Dec 21, 2017 14:35:36 GMT
Allen would be a huge loss on current form...... Whereas we can but hope Wimmer gets one if he plays again on Saturday.
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Post by alster on Dec 21, 2017 14:30:37 GMT
Denise does NOT run the club. She has no interest in football and if it wasn’t for her family she would pull the plug on Stoke City. Her interests lie purely with Bet365 which was her idea and a business she built with her brother John (Denise was the driving force). Her husband Richard goes to Stoke games and is concerned with our current plight, Peter Coates is the chairman and he’s still in charge with John getting more involved as the years go by. Denise has nothing to do with running Stoke City, her only concern is the Bet365 sponsorship. Bet365 is now a global brand and doesn’t need Stoke City ( being last on MOTD every week isn’t that much of a lucrative concern ), Stoke City however do need Bet365 and it’s sponsorship. To suggest Denise ‘runs the club’ is untrue. PC and his son are still very much in charge, it is their dream and their plaything. I think that sounds very plausible. She doesn't RUN the club, but ultimately as OWNER of the club she would have the final say in the REALLY big decisions. And by the REALLY big decisions I don't mean the decision to sack the manager, or even the decision to extend the stadium, I mean the strategy in terms of whether she allows it to continue as Peter and John's plaything, or any decision to pull the plug and sell up. Few people who take the time to look at the evidence before posting were in any doubt who ultimately owns Stoke City. To say she actually runs it is ludicrous if she did it she would want to do it properly, even if it wasn't a money spinner success breeds success and someone so successful would not want to be associated with failure. No I'm afraid the running of Stoke City has Peter's fingerprints all over it.
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Post by alster on Dec 21, 2017 11:52:13 GMT
You're talking about rumors not pictures of them attending the club for negotiations. That’s my point. There are always rumours and paper talk but we actually seem to fly people in, wine and dine them and rarely sign them. Either we constantly fail to match other clubs wages or the chuckle brothers fail to close the deal. Who watches these players anyway ? Our scouting system seems a shambles too. It’s ok to watch a game and see someone put a half decent performance in but surely we should be digging behind the scenes checking personal life, temperament and character too and not just watching 3 minute YouTube clips. Too many people at the club who seem very complacent in their work for me and those people are half of our problem. The point I'm making is the one's who are actually interested and serious enough to attend the club for talks yet we fail to seal a deal with them for the want of more money or more flexibility on contract clauses seem infinitely better than the one's we do end up signing on the "right deal". Now if that's the case is the scouting and player selection really as bad as the reality we end up lumbered with because of someone's policy of false economies. If we stopped poncing about doing the "decent thing" and giving players contracts who'll never play for us again and keeping players past their prime on big wages who rarely feature ie Adam, Affelay and for me Crouch but I know many will take issue with that one, then there would be more slack and flexibility to sign the players we actually want instead of poor compromises.
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Post by alster on Dec 21, 2017 9:06:17 GMT
You've been shopping for 3hrs already. You shopping in a 24hr Tesco!?! (Other supermarkets are available) I'm in oz mate Better still buy her a sheep and tell her to make her own.
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Post by alster on Dec 21, 2017 9:02:49 GMT
Van Gaal would be some coup for Swansea. But I can see them hiring Pulis, cheaper option who is experienced at slugging out survival. Pulis isn't just cheap he's extremely good value, bags shit loads of points playing vibrant attractive football, Welsh heritage cursing through his veins, he's like a cross between Johan Cruyff and Owen Glyndwr.
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Post by alster on Dec 21, 2017 8:57:08 GMT
Think it was Paul, overweight and slow I remember! Huge fucking shorts, must have been custom made.
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Post by alster on Dec 21, 2017 8:53:04 GMT
Give her a few quid and tell her to go get it herself. Fucking shopping for dresses what sort of self respecting bloke does that?
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Post by alster on Dec 21, 2017 8:48:23 GMT
Anyone fancy Van Gaal here? That would shake things up! +'s Very knowledgeable, great record, good development coach, good at integrating young players, would work with a potential successor. -'s expensive, boring football, would take some persuading to join a smaller club.
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Post by alster on Dec 21, 2017 8:39:30 GMT
I find the level of ignorance about the way our club is run, quite amazing! BET365 is the parent company who own SCFC. Denise and her husband are the main owners of Bet365. Denise's father, Peter Coates, who has always loved SCFC, has been shown a lot of deference by the owners of Bet365 because that's what families do. However, Denise will never have forgotten what SCFC supporters did to her father when they rebelled and invaded the main stand to get rid of him. She is very au fait with how fickle supporters can be and during this current state of affairs she will have seen (again) how some supporters have turned on her father and also read some of the nasty stuff that has been thrown at him. So, bearing those things in mind, if supporters think they will have any special considerations while things are being sorted, then they need to think again. Two things to take account of here: Bet365 do NOT need Stoke City FC. Stoke City FC very much do need Bet 365. However, as I see it, the family will take into account the feelings of Peter Coates when they are making decisions on our future. That could be our one saving grace. So, the moral here to some our our more anti-Coates supporters is... be careful that you don't bite the hand that feeds you. Bet365 could quite easily let SCFC tumble into obscurity and, because SCFC is a very, very small part of the bigger picture that is Bet365, they would sell the club and write off any losses (if they incurred any) for tax purposes. OS. Where is the threat in owners who don't want to put money into the club anymore selling up? What is it that you think we would be losing nostalgia. Isn't that exactly what most posters who criticise the owners want, it's no different to Ashley at Newcastle if you don't want to invest in the club anymore sell it to someone who does.
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Post by alster on Dec 21, 2017 8:34:37 GMT
Isn’t it past your bedtime? Actually that’s rather a good read. I agree with all of it except I’m not sure about the last bit. I thought a parent company could only tax relieve losses of a subsidiary against its own profits if they were losses from the same trade? Either way the football club’s current profits or losses are somewhat immaterial compared with bet365’s profits. You have just summed it up. With the "self sufficiency" of SCFC , the club are really neither a hindrance nor a burden. To call the father of the owner a demented cunt or senile old twat really isn't going to help in the long run. Not that you did say those things, but others on here have. SCFC in the "larger picture" of Bet365 hardly feature at all. Maybe time to get some "Thank You Peter" banners out? What are we thanking him for exactly?
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 22:37:45 GMT
Pulis going to Swans would be a death wish for us No doubt. I can see those sneaky little dragons nipping in front of us to sign one of footballs hottest properties but we really have to do the decent thing and give Mark a fair shot at the title. Much that it might cost us the opportunity of once again benefiting from the delights served up by that wondrous footballing genius sadly that would be just too greedy on our behalf our chairman is a socialist who knows he's had his rightful share of this Son of Wales.
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 22:29:10 GMT
My faith in PC will diminish if he employs this charlatan - especially after the Palace fraud. Despite the off the field issues at palace, he did a miraculous job on the field and brought them back from the jaws of relegation. swansea would be silly to NOT appoint TP I'd be more than happy to write him a glowing reference detailing many years of entertaining and free scoring football I witnessed during his time managing Stoke City. How he personally sped down the motorway to save me and other people from Stoke from certain death with no thought for his own safety. A giant amongst men.
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 22:17:57 GMT
Do Denise and John have similar views? Who knows what Jonty thinks clem maybe.
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 22:15:34 GMT
I must have missed all these players actually turning up for negotiations at these big clubs then fucking off and signing for one of their rivals of a similar size. Where did you see this SSN BBC please tell. Give over,there are examples at every club. Sanchez was all set for Liverpool then signed for Arsenal. Lukaku was nailed on for a return to Chelsea,John Terry was going to Bournemouth e.t.c. You're talking about rumors not pictures of them attending the club for negotiations.
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 21:35:08 GMT
It's fairly common knowledge that Denise did not want him to buy the club back in the first place but he did.. Purely as a matter of interest and that sort of thing ... Link/Quote, in fact anything that gives a jot of substantiation to what you post? Or are we expected to find evidence for what you spew, for ourselves? I think maybe you have issues.
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 21:16:08 GMT
Yeah go on then fill your boots. How does piss off sound? Sounds a bit like you are an abusive prick.
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 21:00:45 GMT
No it was worded not a facial expression and as I said nothing blatant like glad we lost but there was something there I picked up on see if you can find his interview on the net. So I should go looking for an imaginary interview that YOU thought you saw on the net? Yeah go on then fill your boots.
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 20:58:00 GMT
Can't remember exactly but I can remember being a bit narked about it at the time. Nothing blatant just gave the subtle impression he wasn't too sorry we'd lost to them. A funnily raised eyebrow or something then? No it was worded not a facial expression and as I said nothing blatant like glad we lost but there was something there I picked up on see if you can find his interview on the net.
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 20:52:12 GMT
Now that wouldn't surprise me massively, he seemed a little too pleased when they beat us last season. Why do you say that? What did he say? Can't remember exactly but I can remember being a bit narked about it at the time. Nothing blatant just gave the subtle impression he wasn't too sorry we'd lost to them.
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 20:45:07 GMT
Assistants gone as well which clears the way for Pulis’s gang😄 It also clears the way for Sparky's gang. Now that wouldn't surprise me massively, he seemed a little too pleased when they beat us last season.
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 20:43:08 GMT
Because they aren't perfect, or they wouldn't play for us. We did it with Arnie, Beattie, Fuller, Shaq, Allen, Grant, Bojan, Pennant, Etherington, etc etc. Because he'd have been decent backup for a mobile defensive midfielder. He wasn't bought here as a back up though, he was bought in to replace Whelan is he any better or worse than Whelan ? not so sure how Grant will turn out longer term he looks very uspect when called upon this season, Bojan was good for a season, Allen was not a gamble at all, Shaq is class always has been but very injury prone sadly. So are you saying we weren't in for Lamina or are you honestly expecting people to believe Fletcher would have played instead of him?
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 20:40:24 GMT
It's fairly common knowledge that Denise did not want him to buy the club back in the first place but he did. He's worth £750M and won't live long enough to spend it. His kids don't need it they're considerably richer than him. The old fucker might as well go out in style. It doesn't work like that though does it, the more you have the more you want, even if it's for your kids. Dunno I'm not greedy when I thought I'd got enough I stopped.
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 20:38:27 GMT
Would anyone take Clement here? As a coach and a no 2 100% yes Ancelotti?
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 20:26:26 GMT
Arnie had a temper, Shaq had waned at Bayern, Joe Allen had barely played a game for liverpool, etc etc. We don't get players like that if they don't have issues. Imbula clearly has a lot of talent, as does Saido, and Wimmer has been excellent at past clubs. Sometimes we can turn them around, sometimes we can't, and sometimes the manager gives them 10 games then sacks them off for no reason. Fletcher was a fine signing as long as we brought a starting mobile defensive mid in. As I say, it's who he hasn't signed and his management of those he does sign that's the issue, not the deals themselves. I agree, we should've got Silva in July. Why would you need to turn around players who have a lot of talent ?, Imbula is failing in France, Berahino has not scored since Noah was a lad and Wimper is one of the worst CB's if not the worst in the PL. Fletcher was fine for three games now he is looking what he is finished at this level, how is that a fine signing ? You often do and we have done because they're human beings not football machines.
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 20:23:51 GMT
FFS Geoff do you ever see fault in anything. They could easily afford that any way. It would be akin to me buying a bit of a dodgy motor for a few grand. The Coates family are wealthy people, wealthy people do not risk their money unless they see a clear and obvious return, it's their customers who in the main waste their money. You may think the family will throw endless amounts of money at the football club, I don't think they will, at least M/s Coates won't. It's fairly common knowledge that Denise did not want him to buy the club back in the first place but he did. He's worth £750M and won't live long enough to spend it. His kids don't need it they're considerably richer than him. The old fucker might as well go out in style.
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 20:17:17 GMT
Pieters was signed under Hughes, i have no idea which manager organised it. The rest have all more than paid for their transfers in footballing terms. Hughes has had 3 'bad' signings for big money, Imbula, Wimmer, Saido. Imbula was shipped out on loan when our midfield was lacking quality after less than 25 games for the club. Saido has started 2 games this season, despite looking far more sharp. Wimmer has been here less than 4 months. Hughes' management of the players is the issue, and the players he doesn't sign (right back and defensive mid). The transfers we have brought in have been largely of a decent quality. The thing is why does he sign these players in the first place Imbula had a suspect temperament , Berahino has a well documented chequered past, by the look of it Wimper is going to turn out the same, does he or anyone else do any due diligence on his signings ?, signing Fletcher was a big mistake his legs had gone the season before, not signing wing backs to play in a wing back system when you have none is gross incompetence. The whole club is run badly from top to bottom, Hughes should and would have been sacked by an other PL club at the end of last season, instead we have plodded on getting shitter with each game. Fuck knows about Imbula I'd never heard of him when we signed him. Berahino fits the profile set by the Hierarchy young, fairly cheap, high resale potential, when you buy damaged goods at a knock down price hoping to make a big profit its going to go wrong sometimes, quite frequently actually. There were no warning markers on Wimmer he's obviously not played enough in his time at Spurs for people to realise how wank he is. Its a different kettle of fish playing in Spurs defence than ours anyway, they mainly attack and their defence is not under constant pressure. Much easier for a poor defender to look reasonable Just like Keane playing in an ultra defensive Burnley set up made an average defender look superb and worth £30M. There is no defence for the wingback thing he was copying Conte without having a fraction of the understanding of the system, he still doesn't understand it now and he's played it for nearly half a season he still thinks they're defenders.
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 20:05:51 GMT
Of course save £60 million to lose £100 million fantastic business acumen. Worse though would be to spend £6O million and lose £1OO million. FFS Geoff do you ever see fault in anything. They could easily afford that any way. It would be akin to me buying a bit of a dodgy motor for a few grand.
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 19:57:32 GMT
If we score now, it will be either a Shaqiri 40 yarder, a Shawcross header or bundled in by Diouf? Can't even depend on Crouch now he's starting? Shawcross header what's that based upon he misses when its easier to score.
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 19:53:54 GMT
That the Sun story is nonsense would normally be a forgone conclusion, however, they do seem to be persisting with it. Bowen's remarks a week or so ago, seem to be making more sense now. If I was a betting sort of guy, I would be placing my money on the situation where Cartwright, Scholes & Co managed to piss off TP, and are doing the exact same thing with LMH. Now pissing of TP may be an easy thing to do, but I would imagine that LMH came to this club with a very clear understanding of how things worked. Clearly LMH didn't quite grasp how bad the situation would be with those people. I think that he now realises the situation. We are all shooting "in the dark" as there really aren't any ITK people when it comes to information coming from the club itself. I agree, people may know someone who knows someone (an agent?), who gives titbits out every so often. I think that LMH and Bowen have "had enough", and could quite easily believe that Les did in fact resign two weeks ago. Why is he still here? Because he is a man that works more by a code of honesty, than just chasing the next ££££s. To be totally honest, I'm at the stage where I could believe most theories. If someone told me Mark turns up every day in pink, frilly knickers I probably wouldn't question it. I draw the line at the Sun though I think we'd be safer just assuming they're all pretty fucking useless and getting rid of the fucking lot of them.
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