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Post by manmarking on Nov 26, 2016 12:55:25 GMT
It doesn't matter why. I don't have to agree with it. It doesn't make either of them saints Both bad men It does matter why because it implies we have no morals as far as the rest of the world is concerned and so we have no respect. It's basic stuff.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 26, 2016 12:45:17 GMT
Found an interesting quote The left are just as bad as ignoring Castro's human rights record as the right are with Pinochet Both cunts If they're both so equally awful, why did the west install one of them to power and then prop him up for decades, while denouncing the other and subjecting his citizens to awful privations via sanctions? Why the lack of consistency?
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Post by manmarking on Nov 26, 2016 12:29:14 GMT
Cuban's are celebrating his death, kinda sums it up... Although you wont be seeing that on the BBC/CNN/etc... You really need to change your name and avatar mate
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Post by manmarking on Nov 26, 2016 12:18:56 GMT
Shame some of the people on here swallow the lies and bullshit fed to them by the MSM. Dead right. He wasn't Cuddly Uncle Fidel at all I don't think anyone has suggested he was. But he was a damn site better (and more popular at home - important for a dedicated democracy fan like yourself) than Thatcher's mate Pinochet. And any number of other western puppet leaders for that matter
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Post by manmarking on Nov 26, 2016 11:28:05 GMT
We all know that police forces have been found to be racist and corrupt. In various cases, they've fabricated evidence, lied on grand scales, looked after their own and generally perverted what many might think of as the course of justice. Is this latest story evidence of institutional homophobia? I mean, you'd have to be either seriously thick or totally unbothered not to catch this nutter sooner www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-d32c5bc9-aa42-49b8-b77c-b258ea2a9205
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Post by manmarking on Nov 26, 2016 9:48:10 GMT
Go on then I've got a spare minute what is Nicholas' "perfectly valid" point? And how do you know he isn't drunk? Last time MM. What was the perfectly valid point that I was unable to address ??? Bad hangover this morning mate? Well you could start with the one I've already pointed out several times - that you might not get the Brexit you want. You might not agree but it seems a fairly valid point to me. If you still don't want to address it then by all means keep going on about buses and telling people who don't agree with you to shut up
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Post by manmarking on Nov 26, 2016 9:37:03 GMT
RIP to the old bloke. It'll go down as a sad thing because future generations will be bright enough to understand that diversity is interesting, even essential - whether that be the diversity of people, places, governmental systems...
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Post by manmarking on Nov 26, 2016 8:55:12 GMT
So...... no valid point from Alcock then...... righto. Another minute of my life wasted. No mate, opinions and debate mattered before the referendum. This bus is heading out of the EU. If that's not where you want to go to then get on the other bus that says "I'm going to the EU". Or, change your mindset and become positive about a new chapter. There will not and does not have to be any "serious deal-making done". Concessions do not have to be made. I'm on the out of the EU bus, given that the people voted out. And if we're not allowed concessions, you better like a soft brexit or you can get off my fucking bus All about the buses last night. Perhaps Rog was watching Speed
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Post by manmarking on Nov 26, 2016 8:53:00 GMT
As I've said to fraise, the only way that any Brexit will work is for people to come together and stop being so antagonistic. That goes for both sides and is exemplified by your "leave the country or shut up" comment. People are entitled to their opinions. If we the great forgotten masses of this country want to really inspire respect then let's try being gracious and accommodating in victory, rather than this tribalistic gloating. 48% of voters didn't agree with you (or me for that matter) and there will have to be some serious deal-making done to make any end agreement workable. So...... no valid point from Alcock then...... righto. Another minute of my life wasted. No mate, opinions and debate mattered before the referendum. This bus is heading out of the EU. If that's not where you want to go to then get on the other bus that says "I'm going to the EU". Or, change your mindset and become positive about a new chapter. There will not and does not have to be any "serious deal-making done". Concessions do not have to be made. The fact that you consider any point that doesn't agree with you to be invalid demonstrates again what I'm saying. You understand nothing about politics if you don't think there'll be concessions made during this process. Either that or you're naive and you're going to be disappointed. I'm not talking about what I want - or what you want - I'm talking about what will happen You're living in la-la land if you honestly believe "there will not be any serious deal making done". I voted to leave too but I'm certainly not on the same clapped-out bus as you, fraise, carps et al, windows totally mirrored on the inside, blasting out nursery rhymes on loop
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Post by manmarking on Nov 25, 2016 23:59:16 GMT
As I've said to fraise, the only way that any Brexit will work is for people to come together and stop being so antagonistic. That goes for both sides and is exemplified by your "leave the country or shut up" comment. People are entitled to their opinions. If we the great forgotten masses of this country want to really inspire respect then let's try being gracious and accommodating in victory, rather than this tribalistic gloating. 48% of voters didn't agree with you (or me for that matter) and there will have to be some serious deal-making done to make any end agreement workable. Let's not forget the key figures in the out campaign, including Farage, insisted they wanted access to the single market afterwards. Yep. I fear there are going to be a lot of disappointed, disillusioned people on both sides because there'll be a lot of realpolitik done in the coming months. Concessions will be made.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 25, 2016 23:54:42 GMT
I voted to leave and I'm still not ************** carps - do keep swimming round in circles though . If only the world were as simple as you like to think it is If only WE were all as SIMPLE as he is.... Any idea when our brave little Englander is packing his bags yet? No afraid not mate. I'll have a look on Skyscanner tomorrow. Halves on his one-way ticket?
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Post by manmarking on Nov 25, 2016 23:50:23 GMT
What did you want exactly? Er.... The valid point of Alcock's that you accused me of ducking. Mate. Soft Brexit and Hard Brexit have been invented by the Remainers after they got pregnant. They're try to feather their safe spaces and not admit defeat. And when I say defeat I mean leave the country or shut up defeat. As I've said to fraise, the only way that any Brexit will work is for people to come together and stop being so antagonistic. That goes for both sides and is exemplified by your "leave the country or shut up" comment. People are entitled to their opinions. If we the great forgotten masses of this country want to really inspire respect then let's try being gracious and accommodating in victory, rather than this tribalistic gloating. 48% of voters didn't agree with you (or me for that matter) and there will have to be some serious deal-making done to make any end agreement workable.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 25, 2016 23:09:21 GMT
He's made lots of points. Take the "we're heading for a soft Brexit" one if you like. I don't agree with everything he says but he puts forward a thought-out argument that's worthy of a more thought-out response. That's all I'm saying. You're free to do whatever you like of course but that's my twopenneth worth. Well that's a minute of my life I'll never get back :-( What did you want exactly?
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Post by manmarking on Nov 25, 2016 22:52:58 GMT
What 'point' of Nick's are you talking about? He's made lots of points. Take the "we're heading for a soft Brexit" one if you like. I don't agree with everything he says but he puts forward a thought-out argument that's worthy of a more thought-out response. That's all I'm saying. You're free to do whatever you like of course but that's my twopenneth worth.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 25, 2016 22:40:26 GMT
No, he's made a perfectly valid point that you're seemingly unable to address without endlessly repeating a tedious gag about him being drunk. Carps enjoys it at least but then he probably enjoys eating crayons and daubing walls with his own excrement. Wouldn't hold your breath for that Perrier Award just yet Go on then I've got a spare minute what is Nicholas' "perfectly valid" point? And how do you know he isn't drunk? How do you know he is drunk?! Don't try and deflect it onto me mate, I never said anything either way I just said his point was perhaps worthy of more than just writing off by alleging he must be drunk to say such things.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 25, 2016 22:36:33 GMT
Well the way I read it (bearing in mind I didn't write it ) is it's not all that easy to cherry pick. There are lots of players in the game and the government has to balance a lot of considerations, many of which we don't know about. Thus we may not get the hard Brexit some of us want because it's not as simple as all that. This may not be correct but it seems worthy of more than just suggesting he must be shitfaced. (Which you haven't done I hasten to add ) But I don't want to 'cherry pick' any countries talent, I want 'hard Brexit' and I want 'freedom of movement' scraped. I'm more than happy to invest in our own youth, give them meaningful things to do at University rather than figure out how many gender pro-nouns there are... But if, lets pick on the Polish again, some Polish people with skills wish to move here, then they're more than welcome. If you've got no skills we need then I'm sorry, but you're not welcome... I'd also love to get rid of the bunch of crap we've already got here (You know the kind, socks tucked in their trackies "What's up Bruv?" type) but unfortunatley I doubt anyother country would be daft enough to take them off our hands, so why should we have to put up with other countries shit? I understand all that mate, I really do. I know what you and a lot of my fellow Leavers want. But what you want may not be exactly what you get. I think that's what Nicholas was saying.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 25, 2016 22:23:41 GMT
The bit from "You want..." up until "...in America?!" 'The way this government is heading is towards 'soft Brexit' is valid, the rest is bollocks though See my response to tdc above. I agree we're heading towards a soft Brexit incidentally
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Post by manmarking on Nov 25, 2016 22:21:42 GMT
My 'acceptable migrants' are people who have skills that we need in this country, people who would be of benefit to this country. This 'doors wide open, come one come all' bullshit is just that, bullshit. If someone has a skill we're in need of then come on in, you're more than welcome, but this current system of just letting any Tom, Sally or Mohammed in (Didn't want to seem sexist or racist there, so thought I'd include everybody!) and then finding they can't offer us fuck all, they have no skill we need, but we then have to find them a house, give them money, let them take up a place in a doctors surgery, bring over their kids ('cos "Human Rights") find said kids a place in school, blah blah blah. It simply has to stop. As for Nigel Farage, I couldn't give a shit about him. Up untill around 4am on the BBC live coverage of the referendum result I'd never even heard him speak. He had absolutely zero impact on my decision to vote 'Leave', and I couldn't give the slightest shit what he does or doesn't do with the rest of his life. I didn't vote Leave 'cos of Farage, I didn't let the current Tory Government (Who I despise) cloud my judgement either. I know in my own heart that we're better off out of the EU, we're better off being in control of our own destiny. Will there be bad times? Sure, we'll no doubt go through some now while we've got a Tory Government & a piss poor Labour opposition, but will it always be like that? No! Whereas if we'd stayed in the EU we had a damn good idea of what was coming, ever closer union, more power handed to the unelected, unaccoutable tossers in Brussels. We'd eventually have to join the Euro, an EU army... It's all things that have been discussed, and completely ignored by people like yourself before. Looks like ************** has taken pity on him , barking and whining like his bitch, momo and Alf should be along soon to complete the Oatcakes version of the Marxist brothers, all losers all LEFT beached by the tidal wave caused by the brave Brexiteres and the Trumpers RIGHT on brothers they have been LEFT behind while the majority march on towards a better future. I voted to leave and I'm still not ************** carps - do keep swimming round in circles though . If only the world were as simple as you like to think it is
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Post by manmarking on Nov 25, 2016 22:16:57 GMT
The bit from "You want..." up until "...in America?!" But none of that is a vaild point. Right now all of Poland (For arguements sake) can walk right into England & do as they please. So we get the best of Poland along with the worst, there's nothing we can do about it... If we have proper control over our borders we can change this & when the Polish come up to our border we can say "What can you offer us?" If their reply is "I can offer you a skill you need" then come on in. If their reply is "I can't offer you anything, but what benefits can you give me?" Then we can say, sorry, you're no use to us, go back to Poland. Surely this is how it should work? Well the way I read it (bearing in mind I didn't write it ) is it's not all that easy to cherry pick. There are lots of players in the game and the government has to balance a lot of considerations, many of which we don't know about. Thus we may not get the hard Brexit some of us want because it's not as simple as all that. This may not be correct but it seems worthy of more than just suggesting he must be shitfaced. (Which you haven't done I hasten to add )
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Post by manmarking on Nov 25, 2016 21:47:23 GMT
No, he's made a perfectly valid point that you're seemingly unable to address without endlessly repeating a tedious gag about him being drunk. Carps enjoys it at least but then he probably enjoys eating crayons and daubing walls with his own excrement. Wouldn't hold your breath for that Perrier Award just yet You want to cherry pick the best of other countries talent? Do you think they're going to let you do that? Take their best workers, then use them to undercut their own countries companies. You must be delusional, if you think you're going to stand at every ferry terminal, every airport, eurostar laying down who you think is acceptable to you to enter the U.K.? What qualifications have you got in 1)labour market skills 2)immigration law 3)border control/policing. Let me guess? Sweet fanny adams! The way this government is heading is towards 'soft Brexit' so if you don't like it, you can always join Nigel in America?!Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/258477/brexit-risks-beginning-crystallise?page=63#ixzz4R3iPxH1GWhat's the valid point? The bit from "You want..." up until "...in America?!"
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Post by manmarking on Nov 25, 2016 21:32:36 GMT
Crikey Nicholas J ....... have you opened a second bottle ? No, he's made a perfectly valid point that you're seemingly unable to address without endlessly repeating a tedious gag about him being drunk. Carps enjoys it at least but then he probably enjoys eating crayons and daubing walls with his own excrement. Wouldn't hold your breath for that Perrier Award just yet
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Post by manmarking on Nov 25, 2016 17:34:14 GMT
"Delay, delay and stay".....he's right you know linkI do that sic "Delay, delay and stay"...but then you again go and post! Halfway down that link of fraise's is a feature called "What countries are in the EU?"
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Post by manmarking on Nov 25, 2016 17:20:19 GMT
I thought you werent replying to ************** ..... I know, I realised afterwards...time for me to find something better to do for a while God you lot are insecure Are your egos really so fragile that you can't even afford to imagine the possibility that more than one person might disagree with you? You bang on about democracy yet have no stomach whatsoever for alternative opinions
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Post by manmarking on Nov 25, 2016 14:06:57 GMT
He's been pretty involved in politics in the last five years despite being rejected by the electorate at general elections several times. Lets face it, if he wanted to be involved he could use his chums in the media to have a voice and force the idea. But he doesn't, because he doesn't really know how the UK should leave the EU. He's never had to actually follow through on any of his rhetoric before, and now he has the oppurtunity to he is woefully lacking in any vision or inspiration. He knows that if the UK leaves the EU, as it will do, it is the end of his career in the UK. He is a good protestor, but with nothing to protest about, there is not much point to him. Hence he's off lining his pockets in the US. It's par for the course for politicians to follow the money, so I have no issue with this. It just puts an end to the myth that he's any different to the rest of them. Shame the remainders can't take it on the chin The only thing holding this country back is 48million squawking mardarses We're also being held back by the total inability of people like you and carps to do anything - win, lose or draw - with any grace. By ranting on about how people you don't agree with should just "take it on the chin" and "suck it up", you make yourselves no better than the elite that expected you to do just that with regard to the EU. And you in particular never practised what you're now preaching when you weren't getting your way either. The only way Brexit will work is if people stop moaning/gloating. You'd be well advised to start doing your bit
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Post by manmarking on Nov 24, 2016 21:26:24 GMT
Yeah, a leading light in the "might is right" doctrine of foreign policy. Hateful old wanker. Very manipulative too. He bears a big share of responsibility for the state of much of the Middle East today. Little kids die of cancers before their first birthday and this human virus is still going at nearly 94!
makes you wonder what sort of drugs, treatment etc, the elites are getting??
One man's luck is several generations of global citizens' misfortune sadly mate But yeah he'll have phenomenal healthcare too of course. Pity that entire regions he fucked over generally don't enjoy such luxuries.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 24, 2016 21:08:45 GMT
God he was a horrible owd cunter yeah. Vile human being; responsible for countless deaths. His views on the military who sacrificed life & limb were abhorrent. Another evil old parasite, like David Rockefeller that's feeding off the corpse of a decaying world Yeah, a leading light in the "might is right" doctrine of foreign policy. Hateful old wanker. Very manipulative too. He bears a big share of responsibility for the state of much of the Middle East today.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 24, 2016 21:04:34 GMT
I said immediately after the result of the vote that Brexit wouldn't happen. There is so much scaremongering by people and organisations with more than an interest in remaining in the EU that a full Brexit will never happen. The remain campaign is fully orchestrated from affluent London and fuck the rest of the country. The dreaded prophesies from the IMF and the Bank of England haven't happened, yet influential people within those organisations are trying their utmost to make sure it does happen. I've never known such a negative backward looking bunch in recent times. Just imagine if those people had come together in a positive manner after the vote? They've let the country down, not the majority who voted for a fresh and new start. Agree mate. Would have been very exciting Who knows, it might have even been possible if people like you had managed to be magnanimous, as opposed to acting like you'd just won a fucking darts competition Plenty of remainers equally as guilty but I haven't seen you make any attempt to build bridges, right from 24th June.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 24, 2016 20:57:53 GMT
The question is can it be changed?? It feels like all we are consumers and those without the means are, to quote that evil old fascist, Kissinger "useless eaters" God he was a horrible owd cunter yeah.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 24, 2016 20:45:38 GMT
Essentially ordinary people's real world salaries have been stagnating for decades. To keep them buying stuff and therefore sustain corporate profits, the financial services industry has been flooding the world with cheap credit and inventing a load of money while they're at it. The chickens are well on their way home to roost because, in simple terms, this way of living isn't sustainable And on top of all that, the elite have avoided paying their fair share of taxes, therefore weakening the nation's wealth. Yep. The neoliberals will tell you that the ever-increasing gap between rich and poor is fine as long as the poor earn "more" than they used to. Even though in real terms salaries simply aren't keeping up with cost of living. It's a bullshit con trick and the people that do best out of it fob people off persuading them to blame immigrants and the like.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 24, 2016 20:23:48 GMT
Its beginning to feel like that with reports that we are worse off now than back in the 40s & 50s!
Are things ever going to get better or will they just collapse to the point of absolute poverty; shanty towns etc
It begs the question, where has all the country's supposed wealth evaporated to??!! Essentially ordinary people's real world salaries have been stagnating for decades. To keep them buying stuff and therefore sustain corporate profits, the financial services industry has been flooding the world with cheap credit and inventing a load of money while they're at it. The chickens are well on their way home to roost because, in simple terms, this way of living isn't sustainable
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