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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 25, 2016 14:44:50 GMT
What a load of bollocks. This broken record again. Project Fear meets Project Fucking Arrogance. Mate, nobody believes UKIP will become the next Government and if you do then you're an idiot, and by posting "back street abortions and folks swinging from lamp posts some time soon" you've become part of the post-truth bullshit machine. Or is it just Project Fear 2.0 Cameron didn't give the people a big Fuck Off button. He gave us a democratic referendum over a project we had not been consulted about in over 40 years, even though that project and changed dramatically. People made intelligent, balanced decisions on voting from both sides of the argument. You just can't believe that given the same campaign platforms, media airtime, 40 years of (wonderful?) facts to draw upon, all of these experts that you so admire including your list of 'respected' remainers above, still didn't win the argument. And your reason for this is because the majority of the voters are thick !?! "Breathtaking stupidity on a National scale." Un-fucking-believable. Rog, I agree the 'thick' thing doesn't help. I'm still waiting to have Brexiters put forth their own predictions about how exactly this is going to help this country and leave it better off than it was as part of the EU? If we had some people to actively, intelligently put forth some positive projections about the impact, maybe it would allay a lot of the concerns those on the other side have? That's why this secret plan that you were telling me the government definitely has for Brexit might be good to get out in the open a bit? Chief, there's heaps of information, data, forecasts and predictions showing a positive outcome for Brexit but they're all forecasts so no doubt you'll dismiss them. I posted loads of links and economic data replying to Rick Grimes on a different thread months ago. He even said they were "fair points" but I can't be arsed to look for it now. But it comes back to your interpretation of 'better off'. If you're solely focused on the pound in your pocket then you might be disappointed. Or more disappointed in your case If you're prepared to pay for your Supreme Court being supreme, a direct link between your local MP's open surgery to the law makers of this country, control and monitoring of your borders in a time of an unprecedented rise in global terror, the fact that 56% of UK trade is with the rest of the World and growing at a faster rate than the 44% of trade that we do with the EU, then voting Leave was appealing. I never heard anyone say it wouldn't be difficult and the real truth is that we won't know until we're out and 5 years down the line we have some data to compare. Personally I don't care if Independence and Sovereignty costs. As I said to Rick there's more to life than money. Of course the Government is actively planning for Brexit and it doesn't surprise me that Cameron didn't have a detailed plan in place. It's the weakest straw man argument I've ever heard. If Cameron had instructed the civil service to plan for Brexit and then gone out and campaigned for Remain the media would have had a field day. Imagine if the vote had been to Remain the cries about wasted millions would have been deafening. He knew we didn't have to trigger A50 immediately and possibly knew he would resign so causing a change in leadership etc, etc which would all take time. Of course the Brexit plans will remain confidential. It's a nonsense to demand otherwise. Apart from Cameron all other leaders instructed their parties and voters to vote for Remain. They backed the wrong horse. By making it a political stance and not an open vote like Cameron Corbyn, Sturgeon, Farron, Clegg and Lucas have excluded themselves and parties from the negotiations. May might (and I personally think should) include the likes of Hoey, Mann and Frank Field as a 'cross party' element but definitely not anyone who campaigned hard to Remain. Why allow a trojan horse to sit at the negotiating table?? Anyway, even if there was a 100 page dossier documenting each and every negotiation in advance and the Government published it, it would still be bullshit as the remainers appear to have forgotten that there is another party involved. The EU. We don't know what they will say on day 1 or day 101 despite their soundbites in the press. The Brexiteers are only half of the conversation. I don't hear the Remainers demanding the negotiation plans from the EU. Wouldn't that be true transparency? In fact I don't see the rest of the EU demanding the negotiation plans from the EU negotiators. Why do think that is? I didn't see any of the remainers actively supporting Cameron when he went on his tour of Europe looking for a better deal from the EU. They've only bleated about democracy and parliamentary sovereignty after they lost the referendum.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 25, 2016 14:57:45 GMT
Rog, I agree the 'thick' thing doesn't help. I'm still waiting to have Brexiters put forth their own predictions about how exactly this is going to help this country and leave it better off than it was as part of the EU? If we had some people to actively, intelligently put forth some positive projections about the impact, maybe it would allay a lot of the concerns those on the other side have? That's why this secret plan that you were telling me the government definitely has for Brexit might be good to get out in the open a bit? Chief, there's heaps of information, data, forecasts and predictions showing a positive outcome for Brexit but they're all forecasts so no doubt you'll dismiss them. I posted loads of links and economic data replying to Rick Grimes on a different thread months ago. He even said they were "fair points" but I can't be arsed to look for it now. But it comes back to you're interpretation of 'better off'. If you're solely focused on the pound in your pocket then you might be disappointed. Or more disappointed in your case. If you're prepared to pay for your Supreme Court being supreme, a direct link between your local MP's open surgery to the law makers of this country, control and monitoring of your borders in a time of an unprecedented rise in global terror, the fact that 56% of UK trade is with the rest of the World and growing at a faster rate than the 44% of trade that we do with the EU, then voting Leave was appealing. I never heard anyone say it wouldn't be difficult and the real truth is that we won't know until we're out and 5 years down the line we have some data to compare. Personally I don't care if Independence and Sovereignty costs. As I said to Rick there's more to life than money. Of course the Government is actively planning for Brexit and it doesn't surprise me that Cameron didn't have a detailed plan in place. It's the weakest straw man argument I've ever heard. If Cameron had instructed the civil service to plan for Brexit and then gone out and campaigned for Remain the media would have had a field day. Imagine if the vote had been to Remain the cries about wasted millions would have been deafening. He knew we didn't have to trigger A50 immediately and possibly knew he would resign so causing a change in leadership etc, etc which would all take time. Of course the Brexit plans will remain confidential. It's a nonsense to demand otherwise. Apart from Cameron all other leaders instructed their parties and voters to vote for Remain. They backed the wrong horse. By making it a political stance and not an open vote like Cameron Corbyn, Sturgeon, Farron, Clegg and Lucas have excluded themselves and parties from the negotiations. May might (and I personally think should) include the likes of Hoey, Mann and Frank Field as a 'cross party' element but definitely not anyone who campaigned hard to Remain. Why allow a trojan horse to sit at the negotiating table?? Anyway, even if there was a 100 page dossier documenting each and every negotiation in advance and the Government published it, it would still be bullshit as the remainers appear to have forgotten that there is another party involved. The EU. We don't know what they will say on day 1 or day 101 despite their soundbites in the press. The Brexiteers are only half of the conversation. Your post reminds me of how the S.N.P. argue: 1.Scotland would be far better off out of the Union! We'll be able to cope because economically we're richer than most of the E.U.! Err, yes sweet Nicola but maybe that prosperity has got something to do with the successful Union, luv! 2. Ditto your argument with the E.U.! Look how terrible it is! But, if it so terrible why do we combine trading massively with not only with the E.U. but also with the emerging markets simultaneously. As for your argument about the supremacy of the British courts? They are fine upstanding individuals but any judge who disappoints the frothing right wing mob will have their sexual orientation paraded in the gutter press! Anybody bringing a court case will receive death threats too! Yes, we know exactly the sort of independent British judiciary you lot want!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 16:01:34 GMT
"Delay, delay and stay".....he's right you know link
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 25, 2016 16:05:35 GMT
Chief, there's heaps of information, data, forecasts and predictions showing a positive outcome for Brexit but they're all forecasts so no doubt you'll dismiss them. I posted loads of links and economic data replying to Rick Grimes on a different thread months ago. He even said they were "fair points" but I can't be arsed to look for it now. But it comes back to you're interpretation of 'better off'. If you're solely focused on the pound in your pocket then you might be disappointed. Or more disappointed in your case. If you're prepared to pay for your Supreme Court being supreme, a direct link between your local MP's open surgery to the law makers of this country, control and monitoring of your borders in a time of an unprecedented rise in global terror, the fact that 56% of UK trade is with the rest of the World and growing at a faster rate than the 44% of trade that we do with the EU, then voting Leave was appealing. I never heard anyone say it wouldn't be difficult and the real truth is that we won't know until we're out and 5 years down the line we have some data to compare. Personally I don't care if Independence and Sovereignty costs. As I said to Rick there's more to life than money. Of course the Government is actively planning for Brexit and it doesn't surprise me that Cameron didn't have a detailed plan in place. It's the weakest straw man argument I've ever heard. If Cameron had instructed the civil service to plan for Brexit and then gone out and campaigned for Remain the media would have had a field day. Imagine if the vote had been to Remain the cries about wasted millions would have been deafening. He knew we didn't have to trigger A50 immediately and possibly knew he would resign so causing a change in leadership etc, etc which would all take time. Of course the Brexit plans will remain confidential. It's a nonsense to demand otherwise. Apart from Cameron all other leaders instructed their parties and voters to vote for Remain. They backed the wrong horse. By making it a political stance and not an open vote like Cameron Corbyn, Sturgeon, Farron, Clegg and Lucas have excluded themselves and parties from the negotiations. May might (and I personally think should) include the likes of Hoey, Mann and Frank Field as a 'cross party' element but definitely not anyone who campaigned hard to Remain. Why allow a trojan horse to sit at the negotiating table?? Anyway, even if there was a 100 page dossier documenting each and every negotiation in advance and the Government published it, it would still be bullshit as the remainers appear to have forgotten that there is another party involved. The EU. We don't know what they will say on day 1 or day 101 despite their soundbites in the press. The Brexiteers are only half of the conversation. Your post reminds me of how the S.N.P. argue: 1.Scotland would be far better off out of the Union! We'll be able to cope because economically we're richer than most of the E.U.! Err, yes sweet Nicola but maybe that prosperity has got something to do with the successful Union, luv! 2. Ditto your argument with the E.U.! Look how terrible it is! But, if it so terrible why do we combine trading massively with not only with the E.U. but also with the emerging markets simultaneously. As for your argument about the supremacy of the British courts? They are fine upstanding individuals but any judge who disappoints the frothing right wing mob will have their sexual orientation paraded in the gutter press! Anybody bringing a court case will receive death threats too! Yes, we know exactly the sort of independent British judiciary you lot want! Have you been on the Christmas sherry Cockers ?? Ah, bless. Anyway. Brexit is nothing like Scottish independence because we voted to Leave and er........ they didn't I don't wish any sad end to the EU. The EU leaders have a vision and direction for that political bloc that I don't agree with and don't share. Personally I believe that printing money into the 2020's at least, high youth unemployment a disastrous immigrant scenario and planning for more of the same with an ever expanding union will do for them. But that's their lookout. Now, what's in your glass? Cockburns?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 25, 2016 16:06:11 GMT
"Delay, delay and stay".....he's right you know linkI do that sic "Delay, delay and stay"...but then you again go and post!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 25, 2016 17:25:45 GMT
Your post reminds me of how the S.N.P. argue: 1.Scotland would be far better off out of the Union! We'll be able to cope because economically we're richer than most of the E.U.! Err, yes sweet Nicola but maybe that prosperity has got something to do with the successful Union, luv! 2. Ditto your argument with the E.U.! Look how terrible it is! But, if it so terrible why do we combine trading massively with not only with the E.U. but also with the emerging markets simultaneously. As for your argument about the supremacy of the British courts? They are fine upstanding individuals but any judge who disappoints the frothing right wing mob will have their sexual orientation paraded in the gutter press! Anybody bringing a court case will receive death threats too! Yes, we know exactly the sort of independent British judiciary you lot want! Have you been on the Christmas sherry Cockers ?? Ah, bless. Anyway. Brexit is nothing like Scottish independence because we voted to Leave and er........ they didn't I don't wish any sad end to the EU. The EU leaders have a vision and direction for that political bloc that I don't agree with and don't share. Personally I believe that printing money into the 2020's at least, high youth unemployment a disastrous immigrant scenario and planning for more of the same with an ever expanding union will do for them. But that's their lookout. Now, what's in your glass? Cockburns? But we're printing money under Q.E. like it's going out of fashion! We've got high youth unemployment! We've not controlled immigration and may not do so under 'soft Brexit'. India has asked for a free trade agreement including easier access for Indians to come to the U.K.. I daresay Australia, New Zealand, China and others will ask for the same? But, whatever 'Brexit' your Leaderene concocts, I daresay you will be whingeing about it?
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Post by manmarking on Nov 25, 2016 17:34:14 GMT
"Delay, delay and stay".....he's right you know linkI do that sic "Delay, delay and stay"...but then you again go and post! Halfway down that link of fraise's is a feature called "What countries are in the EU?"
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 25, 2016 17:39:14 GMT
Have you been on the Christmas sherry Cockers ?? Ah, bless. Anyway. Brexit is nothing like Scottish independence because we voted to Leave and er........ they didn't I don't wish any sad end to the EU. The EU leaders have a vision and direction for that political bloc that I don't agree with and don't share. Personally I believe that printing money into the 2020's at least, high youth unemployment a disastrous immigrant scenario and planning for more of the same with an ever expanding union will do for them. But that's their lookout. Now, what's in your glass? Cockburns? But we're printing money under Q.E. like it's going out of fashion! We've got high youth unemployment! We've not controlled immigration and may not do so under 'soft Brexit'. India has asked for a free trade agreement including easier access for Indians to come to the U.K.. I daresay Australia, New Zealand, China and others will ask for the same? But, whatever 'Brexit' your Leaderene concocts, I daresay you will be whingeing about it? Makes you realise why people voted to leave doesn't it?
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 25, 2016 19:01:04 GMT
I see Jaguar Land Rover would like to double production from 500,000 to one million cars a year from the UK, coming on top of Nissan's decision to turn their factory into a 'super plant' last month. Add in Google's plans to build a new HQ in London. This Brexit lark doesn't seem to be as desperate as many would have you believe.
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Post by skemstokie on Nov 25, 2016 19:08:37 GMT
But we're printing money under Q.E. like it's going out of fashion! We've got high youth unemployment! We've not controlled immigration and may not do so under 'soft Brexit'. India has asked for a free trade agreement including easier access for Indians to come to the U.K.. I daresay Australia, New Zealand, China and others will ask for the same? But, whatever 'Brexit' your Leaderene concocts, I daresay you will be whingeing about it? Makes you realise why people voted to leave doesn't it? No.it makes me wonder why.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 25, 2016 19:22:27 GMT
I see Jaguar Land Rover would like to double production from 500,000 to one million cars a year from the UK, coming on top of Nissan's decision to turn their factory into a 'super plant' last month. Add in Google's plans to build a new HQ in London. This Brexit lark doesn't seem to be as desperate as many would have you believe. Google have said it is the availability of global talent in London was the main reason for their decision. So, don't think you can rigidly control immigration and still see high tech jobs coming to the U.K.. A 'soft Brexit' would effectively mean a single market but no control on 'freedom of movement of labour'. Now, that will enrage the millions who voted for 'Brexit' as a means of stopping immigration!
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 25, 2016 19:39:01 GMT
I see Jaguar Land Rover would like to double production from 500,000 to one million cars a year from the UK, coming on top of Nissan's decision to turn their factory into a 'super plant' last month. Add in Google's plans to build a new HQ in London. This Brexit lark doesn't seem to be as desperate as many would have you believe. Google have said it is the availability of global talent in London was the main reason for their decision. So, don't think you can rigidly control immigration and still see high tech jobs coming to the U.K.. A 'soft Brexit' would effectively mean a single market but no control on 'freedom of movement of labour'. Now, that will enrage the millions who voted for 'Brexit' as a means of stopping immigration! You immediately picked up on the Google reference, possibly because you are London based? The Jaguar Land Rover plans could create half as many jobs again for the Midlands and the Nissan plant will safeguard existing jobs and probably create far more for the future. The UK does go beyond North of Watford.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 25, 2016 19:49:03 GMT
Google have said it is the availability of global talent in London was the main reason for their decision. So, don't think you can rigidly control immigration and still see high tech jobs coming to the U.K.. A 'soft Brexit' would effectively mean a single market but no control on 'freedom of movement of labour'. Now, that will enrage the millions who voted for 'Brexit' as a means of stopping immigration! You immediately picked up on the Google reference, possibly because you are London based? The Jaguar Land Rover plans could create half as many jobs again for the Midlands and the Nissan plant will safeguard existing jobs and probably create far more for the future. The UK does go beyond North of Watford. The Nissan expansion is to export a new car into America. It was never dependent on the outcome of the Referendum. Indeed, Nissan has received guarantees from M/s May re:Brexit which are secret. It is now emerging that we might only leave the E.U. until after a transitional period. If millions of E.U. workers enter the U.K. during that period the Ukippers and eurosceptic Tories will do their nut! As for Jaguar-Land Rover, they've warned of the impact a 'hard Brexit' would have for their company! All the indications are that the government is leaning towards a 'soft Brexit' in no small part to the pressure of the companies you're claiming for a 'hard Brexit' case!
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 25, 2016 20:12:17 GMT
Google have said it is the availability of global talent in London was the main reason for their decision. So, don't think you can rigidly control immigration and still see high tech jobs coming to the U.K.. A 'soft Brexit' would effectively mean a single market but no control on 'freedom of movement of labour'. Now, that will enrage the millions who voted for 'Brexit' as a means of stopping immigration! Have we got a banging-your-fucking-head-against-a-brick-wall smiley? Ah, yes we have NO-ONE wants to stop immigration. Some people who voted for Brexit just want us to be in control of who can come here, and to put an end to completely out-of-control, mass immigration. People who have got skills we need have, are & always shall be welcome here. People who have no skills, can't even speak the language & just want to use the NHS & claim benefits are not welcome. How many fucking times does it need saying.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 25, 2016 20:17:49 GMT
Migrant crisis: Turkey threatens EU with new surge - BBC "President Erdogan accused the EU of breaking its promises. As part of the March deal, Turkey was promised aid, visa-free travel for its nationals and accelerated membership talks." "Listen to me: these border gates will be opened if you go any further" he warned the EU on Friday.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 25, 2016 20:20:21 GMT
A real success story of Brexit seems to be that the British Wine industry is going from strength to strength.
{Doesn't work so well on the page}.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 25, 2016 20:21:34 GMT
Migrant crisis: Turkey threatens EU with new surge - BBC "President Erdogan accused the EU of breaking its promises. As part of the March deal, Turkey was promised aid, visa-free travel for its nationals and accelerated membership talks. " "Listen to me: these border gates will be opened if you go any further," he warned the EU on Friday. I've got nodoubt they're all, every, single last one of them, highly skilled electrical engineers & brain surgeons who will be of fantastic benefit to Europe. Anyone who disagrees with me is just a racist Brexit voter.
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 25, 2016 20:22:32 GMT
A real success story of Brexit seems to be that the British Wine industry is going from strength to strength. {Doesn't work so well on the page}. The British whine industry has never been in finer fettle.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 25, 2016 20:34:28 GMT
Google have said it is the availability of global talent in London was the main reason for their decision. So, don't think you can rigidly control immigration and still see high tech jobs coming to the U.K.. A 'soft Brexit' would effectively mean a single market but no control on 'freedom of movement of labour'. Now, that will enrage the millions who voted for 'Brexit' as a means of stopping immigration! Have we got a banging-your-fucking-head-against-a-brick-wall smiley? Ah, yes we have NO-ONE wants to stop immigration. Some people who voted for Brexit just want us to be in control of who can come here, and to put an end to completely out-of-control, mass immigration. People who have got skills we need have, are & always shall be welcome here. People who have no skills, can't even speak the language & just want to use the NHS & claim benefits are not welcome. How many fucking times does it need saying. You want to cherry pick the best of other countries talent? Do you think they're going to let you do that? Take their best workers, then use them to undercut their own countries companies. You must be delusional, if you think you're going to stand at every ferry terminal, every airport, eurostar laying down who you think is acceptable to you to enter the U.K.? What qualifications have you got in 1)labour market skills 2)immigration law 3)border control/policing. Let me guess? Sweet fanny adams! The way this government is heading is towards 'soft Brexit' so if you don't like it, you can always join Nigel in America?!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 25, 2016 20:39:38 GMT
Crikey Nicholas J ....... have you opened a second bottle ?
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 25, 2016 20:42:31 GMT
Have we got a banging-your-fucking-head-against-a-brick-wall smiley? Ah, yes we have NO-ONE wants to stop immigration. Some people who voted for Brexit just want us to be in control of who can come here, and to put an end to completely out-of-control, mass immigration. People who have got skills we need have, are & always shall be welcome here. People who have no skills, can't even speak the language & just want to use the NHS & claim benefits are not welcome. How many fucking times does it need saying. You want to cherry pick the best of other countries talent? Do you think they're going to let you do that? Take their best workers, then use them to undercut their own countries companies. You must be delusional, if you think you're going to stand at every ferry terminal, every airport, eurostar laying down who you think is acceptable to you to enter the U.K.? What qualifications have you got in 1)labour market skills 2)immigration law 3)border control/policing. Let me guess? Sweet fanny adams! The way this government is heading is towards 'soft Brexit' so if you don't like it, you can always join Nigel in America?! Hmm, doesn't work like that, a company advertises Internationally for people for a specific role and if a person applies for the job and is accepted then he applies for a visa. Not too difficult really.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 25, 2016 20:50:29 GMT
You want to cherry pick the best of other countries talent? Do you think they're going to let you do that? Take their best workers, then use them to undercut their own countries companies. You must be delusional, if you think you're going to stand at every ferry terminal, every airport, eurostar laying down who you think is acceptable to you to enter the U.K.? What qualifications have you got in 1)labour market skills 2)immigration law 3)border control/policing. Let me guess? Sweet fanny adams! The way this government is heading is towards 'soft Brexit' so if you don't like it, you can always join Nigel in America?! Mr.Numpty in the post above answered half of your post. As for the bit at the end of your post, no, if we end up with 'Soft Brexit' and I don't agree with it I'm going to kick & scream & throw all my toys out of the pram, then I'm going to start rioting, smashing up businesses & beating people up who don't agree with me. ... That's how it works, right?
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 25, 2016 20:56:29 GMT
A real success story of Brexit seems to be that the British Wine industry is going from strength to strength. {Doesn't work so well on the page}. The British whine industry has never been in finer fettle. Far to many sour grapes around, mostly south of Watford oh well never mind.
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 25, 2016 21:05:35 GMT
This thread is quite interesting and has parallels with the black and white debate over managers. So, it got me thinking..........who would be a Brexiteer and who would be a remoaner out of Pulis and Hughes?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 25, 2016 21:07:52 GMT
You want to cherry pick the best of other countries talent? Do you think they're going to let you do that? Take their best workers, then use them to undercut their own countries companies. You must be delusional, if you think you're going to stand at every ferry terminal, every airport, eurostar laying down who you think is acceptable to you to enter the U.K.? What qualifications have you got in 1)labour market skills 2)immigration law 3)border control/policing. Let me guess? Sweet fanny adams! The way this government is heading is towards 'soft Brexit' so if you don't like it, you can always join Nigel in America?! Mr.Numpty in the post above answered half of your post. As for the bit at the end of your post, no, if we end up with 'Soft Brexit' and I don't agree with it I'm going to kick & scream & throw all my toys out of the pram, then I'm going to start rioting, smashing up businesses & beating people up who don't agree with me. ... That's how it works, right? You haven't answered any of my post at all! You've got no schedule whom fits your criteria of acceptable migration! Furthermore, I suspect you'll be crying foul because none of your fantasy wish list has come to pass. Give it a couple of years and Nige will be back on British t.v. saying, "I told you the global elites would stitch you up!".
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 25, 2016 21:28:24 GMT
This thread is quite interesting and has parallels with the black and white debate over managers. So, it got me thinking..........who would be a Brexiteer and who would be a remoaner out of Pulis and Hughes? Both Welsh both proud Brexiteers one hard the other soft.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 25, 2016 21:32:36 GMT
Crikey Nicholas J ....... have you opened a second bottle ? No, he's made a perfectly valid point that you're seemingly unable to address without endlessly repeating a tedious gag about him being drunk. Carps enjoys it at least but then he probably enjoys eating crayons and daubing walls with his own excrement. Wouldn't hold your breath for that Perrier Award just yet
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 25, 2016 21:38:16 GMT
Crikey Nicholas J ....... have you opened a second bottle ? No, he's made a perfectly valid point that you're seemingly unable to address without endlessly repeating a tedious gag about him being drunk. Carps enjoys it at least but then he probably enjoys eating crayons and daubing walls with his own excrement. Wouldn't hold your breath for that Perrier Award just yet You want to cherry pick the best of other countries talent? Do you think they're going to let you do that? Take their best workers, then use them to undercut their own countries companies. You must be delusional, if you think you're going to stand at every ferry terminal, every airport, eurostar laying down who you think is acceptable to you to enter the U.K.? What qualifications have you got in 1)labour market skills 2)immigration law 3)border control/policing. Let me guess? Sweet fanny adams! The way this government is heading is towards 'soft Brexit' so if you don't like it, you can always join Nigel in America?!Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/258477/brexit-risks-beginning-crystallise?page=63#ixzz4R3iPxH1GWhat's the valid point?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 25, 2016 21:42:32 GMT
You haven't answered any of my post at all! You've got no schedule whom fits your criteria of acceptable migration! Furthermore, I suspect you'll be crying foul because none of your fantasy wish list has come to pass. Give it a couple of years and Nige will be back on British t.v. saying, "I told you the global elites would stitch you up!". My 'acceptable migrants' are people who have skills that we need in this country, people who would be of benefit to this country. This 'doors wide open, come one come all' bullshit is just that, bullshit. If someone has a skill we're in need of then come on in, you're more than welcome, but this current system of just letting any Tom, Sally or Mohammed in (Didn't want to seem sexist or racist there, so thought I'd include everybody!) and then finding they can't offer us fuck all, they have no skill we need, but we then have to find them a house, give them money, let them take up a place in a doctors surgery, bring over their kids ('cos "Human Rights") find said kids a place in school, blah blah blah. It simply has to stop. As for Nigel Farage, I couldn't give a shit about him. Up untill around 4am on the BBC live coverage of the referendum result I'd never even heard him speak. He had absolutely zero impact on my decision to vote 'Leave', and I couldn't give the slightest shit what he does or doesn't do with the rest of his life. I didn't vote Leave 'cos of Farage, I didn't let the current Tory Government (Who I despise) cloud my judgement either. I know in my own heart that we're better off out of the EU, we're better off being in control of our own destiny. Will there be bad times? Sure, we'll no doubt go through some now while we've got a Tory Government & a piss poor Labour opposition, but will it always be like that? No! Whereas if we'd stayed in the EU we had a damn good idea of what was coming, ever closer union, more power handed to the unelected, unaccoutable tossers in Brussels. We'd eventually have to join the Euro, an EU army... It's all things that have been discussed, and completely ignored by people like yourself before.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 25, 2016 21:47:23 GMT
No, he's made a perfectly valid point that you're seemingly unable to address without endlessly repeating a tedious gag about him being drunk. Carps enjoys it at least but then he probably enjoys eating crayons and daubing walls with his own excrement. Wouldn't hold your breath for that Perrier Award just yet You want to cherry pick the best of other countries talent? Do you think they're going to let you do that? Take their best workers, then use them to undercut their own countries companies. You must be delusional, if you think you're going to stand at every ferry terminal, every airport, eurostar laying down who you think is acceptable to you to enter the U.K.? What qualifications have you got in 1)labour market skills 2)immigration law 3)border control/policing. Let me guess? Sweet fanny adams! The way this government is heading is towards 'soft Brexit' so if you don't like it, you can always join Nigel in America?!Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/258477/brexit-risks-beginning-crystallise?page=63#ixzz4R3iPxH1GWhat's the valid point? The bit from "You want..." up until "...in America?!"
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