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Post by trentvale68 on Nov 24, 2016 20:08:00 GMT
Its beginning to feel like that with reports that we are worse off now than back in the 40s & 50s!
Are things ever going to get better or will they just collapse to the point of absolute poverty; shanty towns etc
It begs the question, where has all the country's supposed wealth evaporated to??!! |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 24, 2016 20:20:42 GMT
Its beginning to feel like that with reports that we are worse off now than back in the 40s & 50s!
Are things ever going to get better or will they just collapse to the point of absolute poverty; shanty towns etc
It begs the question, where has all the country's supposed wealth evaporated to??!! Ghetto UK on the horizon, the dumping ground of the world. |
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Post by manmarking on Nov 24, 2016 20:23:48 GMT
Its beginning to feel like that with reports that we are worse off now than back in the 40s & 50s!
Are things ever going to get better or will they just collapse to the point of absolute poverty; shanty towns etc
It begs the question, where has all the country's supposed wealth evaporated to??!! Essentially ordinary people's real world salaries have been stagnating for decades. To keep them buying stuff and therefore sustain corporate profits, the financial services industry has been flooding the world with cheap credit and inventing a load of money while they're at it. The chickens are well on their way home to roost because, in simple terms, this way of living isn't sustainable  |
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Post by felonious on Nov 24, 2016 20:26:22 GMT
Its beginning to feel like that with reports that we are worse off now than back in the 40s & 50s!
Are things ever going to get better or will they just collapse to the point of absolute poverty; shanty towns etc
It begs the question, where has all the country's supposed wealth evaporated to??!! Go and have a listen to Lou Reed's Berlin it'll make you feel better  |
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Post by trentvale68 on Nov 24, 2016 20:31:28 GMT
Its beginning to feel like that with reports that we are worse off now than back in the 40s & 50s!
Are things ever going to get better or will they just collapse to the point of absolute poverty; shanty towns etc
It begs the question, where has all the country's supposed wealth evaporated to??!! Essentially ordinary people's real world salaries have been stagnating for decades. To keep them buying stuff and therefore sustain corporate profits, the financial services industry has been flooding the world with cheap credit and inventing a load of money while they're at it. The chickens are well on their way home to roost because, in simple terms, this way of living isn't sustainable It really does make you wonder; are we the best the universe has to offer!?!
Charlton Heston sums it up well here
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Post by trentvale68 on Nov 24, 2016 20:33:37 GMT
Its beginning to feel like that with reports that we are worse off now than back in the 40s & 50s!
Are things ever going to get better or will they just collapse to the point of absolute poverty; shanty towns etc
It begs the question, where has all the country's supposed wealth evaporated to??!! Go and have a listen to Lou Reed's Berlin it'll make you feel better I still haven't recovered from his Metallica co-project. Shudder... This was me for weeks after listening to it
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 24, 2016 20:33:53 GMT
Its beginning to feel like that with reports that we are worse off now than back in the 40s & 50s!
Are things ever going to get better or will they just collapse to the point of absolute poverty; shanty towns etc
It begs the question, where has all the country's supposed wealth evaporated to??!! Essentially ordinary people's real world salaries have been stagnating for decades. To keep them buying stuff and therefore sustain corporate profits, the financial services industry has been flooding the world with cheap credit and inventing a load of money while they're at it. The chickens are well on their way home to roost because, in simple terms, this way of living isn't sustainable And on top of all that, the elite have avoided paying their fair share of taxes, therefore weakening the nation's wealth. |
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Post by trentvale68 on Nov 24, 2016 20:36:13 GMT
Essentially ordinary people's real world salaries have been stagnating for decades. To keep them buying stuff and therefore sustain corporate profits, the financial services industry has been flooding the world with cheap credit and inventing a load of money while they're at it. The chickens are well on their way home to roost because, in simple terms, this way of living isn't sustainable And on top of all that, the elite have avoided paying their fair share of taxes, therefore weakening the nation's wealth. Arent we supposed to 'all be in it together'??
It would be funny if it hadn't resulted in so much misery 
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 24, 2016 20:39:04 GMT
We'd all be wealthy beyond our wildest dreams if we'd just work harder.
Signed,
A Tory voter.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 24, 2016 20:45:38 GMT
Essentially ordinary people's real world salaries have been stagnating for decades. To keep them buying stuff and therefore sustain corporate profits, the financial services industry has been flooding the world with cheap credit and inventing a load of money while they're at it. The chickens are well on their way home to roost because, in simple terms, this way of living isn't sustainable And on top of all that, the elite have avoided paying their fair share of taxes, therefore weakening the nation's wealth. Yep. The neoliberals will tell you that the ever-increasing gap between rich and poor is fine as long as the poor earn "more" than they used to. Even though in real terms salaries simply aren't keeping up with cost of living. It's a bullshit con trick and the people that do best out of it fob people off persuading them to blame immigrants and the like. |
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Post by trentvale68 on Nov 24, 2016 20:52:14 GMT
The question is can it be changed?? It feels like all we are consumers and those without the means are, to quote that evil old fascist, Kissinger "useless eaters"
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Post by manmarking on Nov 24, 2016 20:57:53 GMT
The question is can it be changed?? It feels like all we are consumers and those without the means are, to quote that evil old fascist, Kissinger "useless eaters" God he was a horrible owd cunter yeah. |
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Post by trentvale68 on Nov 24, 2016 21:00:56 GMT
The question is can it be changed?? It feels like all we are consumers and those without the means are, to quote that evil old fascist, Kissinger "useless eaters" God he was a horrible owd cunter yeah. Vile human being; responsible for countless deaths. His views on the military who sacrificed life & limb were abhorrent. Another evil old parasite, like David Rockefeller that's feeding off the corpse of a decaying world |
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Post by stockportstokie on Nov 24, 2016 21:01:16 GMT
We're on the verge of something quite serious. Industry 4.0. We're a bargain basement economy, ie much of the workforce do menial low skilled stuff. What's gonna happen when those jobs no longer exist because AI has developed to a point they're not needed? Universal income may be inevitable.
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Post by trentvale68 on Nov 24, 2016 21:07:16 GMT
We're on the verge of something quite serious. Industry 4.0. We're a bargain basement economy, ie much of the workforce do menial low skilled stuff. What's gonna happen when those jobs no longer exist because AI has developed to a point they're not needed? Universal income may be inevitable. Its a bleak future for sure. No doubt it will be a cashless society by then too so everyone will be given a certain amount of electronic credits; no doubt that there will be conditions on what they can be used for as well. That money supply can be turned off at the press of a button. Technological communism. We've sleepwalked into this as well. Attachment Deleted
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Post by manmarking on Nov 24, 2016 21:08:45 GMT
God he was a horrible owd cunter yeah. Vile human being; responsible for countless deaths. His views on the military who sacrificed life & limb were abhorrent. Another evil old parasite, like David Rockefeller that's feeding off the corpse of a decaying world Yeah, a leading light in the "might is right" doctrine of foreign policy. Hateful old wanker. Very manipulative too. He bears a big share of responsibility for the state of much of the Middle East today. |
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Post by trentvale68 on Nov 24, 2016 21:18:46 GMT
Vile human being; responsible for countless deaths. His views on the military who sacrificed life & limb were abhorrent. Another evil old parasite, like David Rockefeller that's feeding off the corpse of a decaying world Yeah, a leading light in the "might is right" doctrine of foreign policy. Hateful old wanker. Very manipulative too. He bears a big share of responsibility for the state of much of the Middle East today. Little kids die of cancers before their first birthday and this human virus is still going at nearly 94!
makes you wonder what sort of drugs, treatment etc, the elites are getting??
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Post by manmarking on Nov 24, 2016 21:26:24 GMT
Yeah, a leading light in the "might is right" doctrine of foreign policy. Hateful old wanker. Very manipulative too. He bears a big share of responsibility for the state of much of the Middle East today. Little kids die of cancers before their first birthday and this human virus is still going at nearly 94!
makes you wonder what sort of drugs, treatment etc, the elites are getting??
One man's luck is several generations of global citizens' misfortune sadly mate  But yeah he'll have phenomenal healthcare too of course. Pity that entire regions he fucked over generally don't enjoy such luxuries. |
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Post by auntiegeorge on Nov 24, 2016 21:33:20 GMT
What happened during the 2008 financial crisis - and more so in the States than here - was a massive transfer of wealth from the middle classes to the top 1%. Since 2009 interest rates have been slashed so savers earn less on their money and the retired who depend on fixed income investments have suffered. The elite already had the money to short the market in 2008 and profit from its collapse. They then piled into the stock market and have ridden the huge wave up ever since. Meanwhile, our previously well paid jobs have been replaced by minimum wage, zero contract and part time jobs. Not all of them obviously, but the employment landscape is starkly different to what it was 10 years ago.
So long as the top 1% control over 50% of our wealth we will always be an unequal society. It's up to us to decide what to do about it.
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Post by trentvale68 on Nov 24, 2016 21:36:21 GMT
What happened during the 2008 financial crisis - and more so in the States than here - was a massive transfer of wealth from the middle classes to the top 1%. Since 2009 interest rates have been slashed so savers earn less on their money and the retired who depend on fixed income investments have suffered. The elite already had the money to short the market in 2008 and profit from its collapse. They then piled into the stock market and have ridden the huge wave up ever since. Meanwhile, our previously well paid jobs have been replaced by minimum wage, zero contract and part time jobs. Not all of them obviously, but the employment landscape is starkly different to what it was 10 years ago. So long as the top 1% control over 50% of our wealth we will always be an unequal society. It's up to us to decide what to do about it. We need a modern day Wat Tyler
Instead the young look to Rylan 
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Post by auntiegeorge on Nov 24, 2016 21:50:17 GMT
Do you think the Brexit vote was the modern version of Tyler's peasant's revolt? Is this just the beginning of a revolt against globalism which has benefited the rich and left the ordinary man behind?
It pains me to say but I don't have much faith in the young today. They walk around like zombies with their faces in their smartphones, blissfully unaware of what is going on in the world.
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Post by trentvale68 on Nov 24, 2016 21:57:47 GMT
Do you think the Brexit vote was the modern version of Tyler's peasant's revolt? Is this just the beginning of a revolt against globalism which has benefited the rich and left the ordinary man behind? It pains me to say but I don't have much faith in the young today. They walk around like zombies with their faces in their smartphones, blissfully unaware of what is going on in the world. The reality is that nothing can ever really change without armed struggle; its always been the way of the world
We all saw how successful the miners were in 1984 when things got 'heavy'. And our police are a 100 x more militarised now
I remember getting interested in the whole New World Order topic a few years ago, then I stepped back from it, thinking it was all an exercise in paranoia; now I'm really not sure. There might really be something in it. I wonder if Brexit (and the Trump result) have been allowed to happen, under the mantle of a hidden agenda?? if so, I doubt its one that will benefit the 99% of us.
Shame about that asteroid how many million years ago LOL. I reckon the dinosaurs would have made a far better fist of it
its a prison planet now and theres no way off it
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 24, 2016 22:28:26 GMT
Do you think the Brexit vote was the modern version of Tyler's peasant's revolt? Is this just the beginning of a revolt against globalism which has benefited the rich and left the ordinary man behind? It pains me to say but I don't have much faith in the young today. They walk around like zombies with their faces in their smartphones, blissfully unaware of what is going on in the world. The reality is that nothing can ever really change without armed struggle; its always been the way of the world
We all saw how successful the miners were in 1984 when things got 'heavy'. And our police are a 100 x more militarised now
I remember getting interested in the whole New World Order topic a few years ago, then I stepped back from it, thinking it was all an exercise in paranoia; now I'm really not sure. There might really be something in it. I wonder if Brexit (and the Trump result) have been allowed to happen, under the mantle of a hidden agenda?? if so, I doubt its one that will benefit the 99% of us.
Shame about that asteroid how many million years ago LOL. I reckon the dinosaurs would have made a far better fist of it
its a prison planet now and theres no way off it
Global conflicts and also global markets are controlled by a handful of families- the chief protagonists bezing The Rothschilds. Many world leaders dance to his tune. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 24, 2016 23:26:55 GMT
What happened during the 2008 financial crisis - and more so in the States than here - was a massive transfer of wealth from the middle classes to the top 1%. Since 2009 interest rates have been slashed so savers earn less on their money and the retired who depend on fixed income investments have suffered. The elite already had the money to short the market in 2008 and profit from its collapse. They then piled into the stock market and have ridden the huge wave up ever since. Meanwhile, our previously well paid jobs have been replaced by minimum wage, zero contract and part time jobs. Not all of them obviously, but the employment landscape is starkly different to what it was 10 years ago. So long as the top 1% control over 50% of our wealth we will always be an unequal society. It's up to us to decide what to do about it. Spot on...superbly described. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 25, 2016 0:20:43 GMT
Do you think the Brexit vote was the modern version of Tyler's peasant's revolt? Is this just the beginning of a revolt against globalism which has benefited the rich and left the ordinary man behind? It pains me to say but I don't have much faith in the young today. They walk around like zombies with their faces in their smartphones, blissfully unaware of what is going on in the world. Depends what they're doing with their smartphone to be fair. If they're using it to watch videos of cats, then I agree. But if they're doing something productive (working, reading the news, learning) then they're not really being unaware. I think the younger generation are all right. They seem to be cracking on OK in a world where the generations above them have badly let them down. Given they're the first generation in a long time that are set to be less well off than their parents, I think they're handling it pretty well. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 7:23:59 GMT
Do you think the Brexit vote was the modern version of Tyler's peasant's revolt? Is this just the beginning of a revolt against globalism which has benefited the rich and left the ordinary man behind? It pains me to say but I don't have much faith in the young today. They walk around like zombies with their faces in their smartphones, blissfully unaware of what is going on in the world. Depends what they're doing with their smartphone to be fair. If they're using it to watch videos of cats, then I agree. But if they're doing something productive (working, reading the news, learning) then they're not really being unaware. I think the younger generation are all right. They seem to be cracking on OK in a world where the generations above them have badly let them down. Given they're the first generation in a long time that are set to be less well off than their parents, I think they're handling it pretty well. It is increasingly looking like the government has let everyone down. We seem to have put all our eggs in one basket, lack of investment has left us looking vulnerable and brexit is being blamed when it is infact successive governments who have let the country down. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 7:53:29 GMT
We'd all be wealthy beyond our wildest dreams if we'd just work harder. Signed, A Tory voter. When you think about it. What a fucking choice we have.......vote Tory and your family eat from the gutter while the rich get richer Vote Labour and the cretins will backrupt the country and leave us all as poor as or worse than Greece.  |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 25, 2016 8:04:57 GMT
We'd all be wealthy beyond our wildest dreams if we'd just work harder. Signed, A Tory voter. When you think about it. What a fucking choice we have.......vote Tory and your family eat from the gutter while the rich get richer Vote Labour and the cretins will backrupt the country and leave us all as poor as or worse than Greece. Mary, That wasn't always your choice though was it. Labour offered you two othe leaders before this one & you rejected them(the 1st of which was the man to take us forward), but you voted in the hoody/tree hugger & what did he do to help... |
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Post by felonious on Nov 25, 2016 8:21:55 GMT
Do you think the Brexit vote was the modern version of Tyler's peasant's revolt? Is this just the beginning of a revolt against globalism which has benefited the rich and left the ordinary man behind? It pains me to say but I don't have much faith in the young today. They walk around like zombies with their faces in their smartphones, blissfully unaware of what is going on in the world.Says every generation of it's youth. I suspect that you'll find they're no different than the generation before or the one after. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 8:24:16 GMT
When you think about it. What a fucking choice we have.......vote Tory and your family eat from the gutter while the rich get richer Vote Labour and the cretins will backrupt the country and leave us all as poor as or worse than Greece. Mary, That wasn't always your choice though was it. Labour offered you two othe leaders before this one & you rejected them(the 1st of which was the man to take us forward), but you voted in the hoody/tree hugger & what did he do to help... Let's be honest here bathy The Tories and labour have really always followed the same path, no matter who's in charge....... Not ideal but, i voted ukip the last time by the way  |
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