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Post by manmarking on Nov 30, 2016 19:07:05 GMT
do find it funny how right wing this message board can get at times, you'd thought the local area was one of the most conservative around and not a safe labour seat. Many would have you believe it's a hotbed of "do-gooders" (because doing good is actually bad apparently)
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Post by manmarking on Nov 30, 2016 18:13:15 GMT
Anyone else tired of the endless right-wing histrionics on here and fancy meeting up for a jar (or five) to talk Mighty Potters and do-gooder tree-hugging politics?
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Post by manmarking on Nov 30, 2016 17:30:23 GMT
"poof" is just another old term for homosexual, or can't we even say the latter now. The term is also quite mild compared to many things heard. In Bristow's youth it was heard all the time on tv, ie: Steptoe & Son (great comedy) - I suppose they should all be wiped from the BBC archives so as not to upset not so much gays themselves but rather the straight do-gooders who like to speak up on their behalf. You sound quite a bit like a curmudgeonly old bastuurd who used to knock about on here and was last seen on gardening leave. Which in his case means picking dog shit out of the driveway gravel
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Post by manmarking on Nov 30, 2016 15:19:44 GMT
If they dont like it they could always go and get a job. Crazy idea i know. This ill informed codswallop goes some way to explain how both the working class and poor have been successfully demonised in this country. Scum, chav, feckless, feral etc. etc. all right wing propaganda swallowed by right wing "i'm alright middle class jacks", who probably haven't got a fucking clue/give a flying fuck what it's really like to be poor/unemployed/desperate in this country (cue the "I only ate lard and drank from puddles until I was 18 then and I pulled myself from the gutter and became a merchant banker bollocks). Just a thought read the link from the op and then (just for a minute) think about that £360 million they are spending on gold shitters and sinks for a family who have done nothing but to be fortunate at birth A country run by the establishment for the establishment. vive la revolution! Top post
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Post by manmarking on Nov 30, 2016 12:12:22 GMT
Carps in "likes two fairly contradictory posts" shock
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Post by manmarking on Nov 30, 2016 11:31:13 GMT
If they dont like it they could always go and get a job. Crazy idea i know. The economic system we insist on using requires there to be a certain number of unemployed so literally you're right - it is a crazy idea because it's impossible for at least some on benefits to go and get a job. Safe to say that if you have a like off carps, you're talking uneducated bollocks
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Post by manmarking on Nov 30, 2016 10:55:12 GMT
This article doesn't appear in any of the German press - it seems to be just something the Daily Express is printing! The survey seems very amateurish - if you asked anyone in the street if they would like more transparency they would say yes, if you asked them if the would like a referendum they would say yes, if you asked if they wanted other countries to do more they would say yes. Very cheap and poor reporting - I suggest you start reading some more balanced newspapers I read them all so, you believe Germany are happy with the eu ? you believe they are happy funding the Mediterranean countries? you believe they are happy with open door immigration? ill keep reading all the papers and believing my own judgement thank you i also have a couple of German friends.....both of which can't wait for the day the eu is finished. so that's 2 out of 3 If you read "all" of them, how come you mainly quote the Express and the Mail?
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Post by manmarking on Nov 29, 2016 22:41:24 GMT
How Corbyn does in the country at large depends to a large degree on his MPs getting behind him and presenting a united front. Disagree. I couldn't give a shit if there's a bit of in-fighting in the Labour camp or not, what does bother me is whether Labour are going to listen to vast swathes of their heartlands & do something about completely out-of-control immigration, or are they going to continue to call us thick, un-educated racists & tell us that our concerns are just filled with hate 'cos all immigrants are wonderful & we couldn't survive without them. That's what will make or break Corbyn's Labour... And as someone who has voted Labour in 99% of elections, he is currently doing fuck all to convince me to vote for them next time around. So that's Labour off my list, and I'd never vote Tory 'cos I'm not called "Lord. Such & such". The Lib Dems are a non-entity since they got in bed with the Tories, so I've basically got a choice between voting for UKIP, who baring wanting to control immigration don't really apply to me a great deal, or I can do what I did last election & not vote for any of the shower of shit. If only someone would come along & want to control immigration, want to help to promote British culture & British values, whilst also wanting to take on tax dodging big business, make serious strides to help the poor & disabled, turn the NHS into the envy of the world and not want us to go bowling into any fucking war the Yanks fancy dragging us into. I agree with you that if Labour want to reconnect with their traditional voters then they need to engage with the immigration issue in a sensible and straightforward way. I also think Corbyn is probably too London-centric to do this. A huge part of the issue here is that our entire economic system is geared towards driving down wages at the bottom and increasing profits at the top. These days that requires bringing in cheap labour from abroad to minimise costs and deskill. This system has been in effect since Thatcher. But you're hyperbolising again mate. I don't think anyone has called you a thick uneducated racist or said your concerns are filled with hate. Not on here and probably not in the Labour Party. If you feel like that's how you're perceived within Labour then that's clearly an issue they have to sort. I agree that for far too long Labour has taken its traditional voters wildly for granted. I haven't voted for them for years until recently. But Jeremy has barely been in the job a year and has spent half that time fending off attacks from his own MPs so the bulk of that patronising and alienating really wasn't his doing. You do need to stop winding yourself up too. You're jumping to false conclusions about anyone who doesn't agree with you - in exactly the same way as you claim they do with you. There's a vicious circle of misunderstanding there.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 29, 2016 21:51:29 GMT
See what happens I guess. The issue for Corbyn is that most of his MPs absolutely hate him, while members generally like him. It's a structural issue that goes back to New Labour filling the party with Blairite style MPs. How Corbyn does in the country at large depends to a large degree on his MPs getting behind him and presenting a united front. I imagine they're planning their next coup attempt instead... Agree on the other parties yes. I really doubt Ukip will pose a serious threat as long as they've got that idiot Nuttall in charge. Considering the Tories were meant to be sorting the debt first and foremost, it's incredible they're still in power really. Great salespeople as you say. I don't believe corbyn is a good leader. All leaders have something that makes them stand out and he is lacking massively and it will cost him many votes. I don't trust him either. Labour lack a natural leader and their next best was Owen FUCKING Smith. I think politics in general lacks true leaders in this country. Although I agree that Jeremy isn't a great leader, personally I do trust him and I believe him to be a decent man
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Post by manmarking on Nov 29, 2016 20:57:28 GMT
I think his middle name is Bernard actually mate I wouldn't have a clue who to vote for if there was a general election. I just know who i wouldn't. Labour are a mess, corbyn is bad but who would be have on his bench, they all keep quitting. Him and the scrag ends of the labour party. Oh joy. Lib dems are the devils of parliment, UKIP would be more credible if they hadn't tried to target BNP voters. Conservatives are a very good, established and a manipulative party. They are the strongest party by a mile, but the least trustworthy. See what happens I guess. The issue for Corbyn is that most of his MPs absolutely hate him, while members generally like him. It's a structural issue that goes back to New Labour filling the party with Blairite style MPs. How Corbyn does in the country at large depends to a large degree on his MPs getting behind him and presenting a united front. I imagine they're planning their next coup attempt instead... Agree on the other parties yes. I really doubt Ukip will pose a serious threat as long as they've got that idiot Nuttall in charge. Considering the Tories were meant to be sorting the debt first and foremost, it's incredible they're still in power really. Great salespeople as you say.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 29, 2016 18:56:03 GMT
Fraise is correct that Britain's current malaise is by no means down to just Brexit. He's also correct in what he says about Westminster and it's harsh to blame the voting public for the fact that they've only been offered one-size-fits-all candidates for years now. Whether you like him or not, Jeremy Corbyn does at least offer something a bit different from the standard "neoliberalism vs neoliberalism" ticket we've been offered ever since 1983. And Theresa May says some different stuff to Thatcher, Blair, Cameron et al - it remains to be seen whether she follows through on it. But on the whole it feels like a more interesting (if very uncertain) political landscape You are correct, however, in highlighting the fact that fraise makes wild generalisations based on no evidence, and offers no positive suggestions beyond telling people to stop moaning and embrace total uncertainty Jeremy FUCKING Corbyn I think his middle name is Bernard actually mate
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Post by manmarking on Nov 29, 2016 18:14:46 GMT
The country and Europe have been heading down the shit pipe for many years now ....please don't blame it all on brexit. And to be honest, you can't blame it on the Tories It's all down to the bollockless leadership Westminster keep offering us. If the eu had been run properly and fairly, there perhaps would have been no calls for a referendum, or UKIP....and Nigel may well have still been a conservative Stand back and look at the real picture.....the eu leaders are loving this United Kingdom split. We should be standing strong, not rolling over like a cowering dog. Anyone who doesn't want a strong United Kingdom should go and live in Germany or France and moan from there. How the fuck you think nodding our heads and saying sorry is good for Britain I don't know All the people of European countries are split and pig sick of the eu not just us It's only the people in control of those countries that want more of the same. The most successful country in the eu is Germany and their people are sick of the direction of the eu just like us. What's happening now is the people at the top and big business are saying to the little people.....tow the fucking line or we''ll make you pay About time we put a fucking end to this charade You make a lot of claims as tho they are 'facts' - but it's just bollocks. We elect our leaders in Westminster, if they're no good, it's our fault. Who is saying they don't want a strong uk? And define a strong uk - if it's made up of flag waving xenophobes, that's not strong to me! Where are your facts that prove Europe is sick of the eu? Put an end to what charade? Replace it with what? Instead of ranting on , come up with some intelligent inclusive policies. We're fed up with godshites telling us how to think. Come back when you and your cronies have something intelligible to say. Fraise is correct that Britain's current malaise is by no means down to just Brexit. He's also correct in what he says about Westminster and it's harsh to blame the voting public for the fact that they've only been offered one-size-fits-all candidates for years now. Whether you like him or not, Jeremy Corbyn does at least offer something a bit different from the standard "neoliberalism vs neoliberalism" ticket we've been offered ever since 1983. And Theresa May says some different stuff to Thatcher, Blair, Cameron et al - it remains to be seen whether she follows through on it. But on the whole it feels like a more interesting (if very uncertain) political landscape You are correct, however, in highlighting the fact that fraise makes wild generalisations based on no evidence, and offers no positive suggestions beyond telling people to stop moaning and embrace total uncertainty
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Post by manmarking on Nov 29, 2016 13:40:04 GMT
And how many poor people can afford to keep shelling out 46p for pills etc.? Of course, the 'Leavers' are experts at passing on all the savings such as those from 'Brexit' to the N.H.S.! 46p? We haven't seen 1p passed to the N.H.S. since 'Brexit'! no **************, thats because we havent left yet, we are still paying £350m a week to the EU 😄 Are you really suggesting that Nick is ************** too now? I can see why you'd reach that conclusion: he's left-leaning, disagreeing with you, and can string a sentence together. And you're clearly of such a fragile disposition you can't bear the idea that more than one person might fit that bill. I really think you're woefully short of the mark this time though mate
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Post by manmarking on Nov 29, 2016 13:29:41 GMT
Garbage, Guantanamo Bay is wrong and the people there should be charged in court or set free but how do you get an equivalence between there and jailing people for being gay or black or dissenting against the Castro regime is beyond belief. No doubt Cuba was no place to be gay in the 60's. They had similar policies on homosexuality to vice president elect Pence, but black? While the US was battling the civil rights movement at that time, Castro was bringing in anti disrimination laws. It seems on the surface far in advance of the US still. And lest we forget that we were still locking people up for being gay in this country until 1967.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 29, 2016 12:49:45 GMT
This is the problem I outlined to sloppy. Castro is really no worse than countless nasty corrupt scumbags the West supports - and as you say that includes George W Bush himself Garbage, Guantanamo Bay is wrong and the people there should be charged in court or set free but how do you get an equivalence between there and jailing people for being gay or black or dissenting against the Castro regime is beyond belief. Well personally I don't think there's much difference between locking people up illegally because they're gay/black and locking people up illegally because they're Muslim. There's also the consideration that the Iraq/Afghanistan wars have left far more innocent people dead in 15 years than Castro ever managed in six decades.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 29, 2016 7:56:28 GMT
Could be any number of Thatcher's mates to be fair Where's Guantanamo again? This is the problem I outlined to sloppy. Castro is really no worse than countless nasty corrupt scumbags the West supports - and as you say that includes George W Bush himself
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Post by manmarking on Nov 29, 2016 7:07:10 GMT
The return of **************? Why not, every other bastard is him apparently
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Post by manmarking on Nov 28, 2016 22:13:13 GMT
Who are we on about now mate? Reagan? Pinochet? Blair? Botha? Obama? Thatcher? Oh, sorry, not Thatcher, you said "he"... A thread about Castro should be enough of a clue you'd hope but next time i'll narrow it down for you by mentioning executing opponents, putting guys and black people into concentration camps. Could be any number of Thatcher's mates to be fair
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Post by manmarking on Nov 28, 2016 22:06:34 GMT
If you're not Harry then you do a very good impression of him All seething hatred and anger and strawman arguments. If you're a wind-up then compliments, you're a good un Strawman arguments.. Bit hypocritical that mate. "Seething hatred and anger " again hypocritical for someone who labels everyone who disagrees with him a racist. I don't do strawmen, Harry. I choose a point and stick to it. "Labels everyone who disagrees with him a racist" - total bollocks but a great example of a strawman, thanks
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Post by manmarking on Nov 28, 2016 21:49:58 GMT
I don't get the churlish point. Are you saying that Castro is beyond criticism because he was subjected to unjustifiable, disgraceful and illegal attacks from the US? He left his people in obscene poverty whilst he lived the high life, his regime's main purpose was to keep its self in power. Much in common with Jezza's leadership there. Who are we on about now mate? Reagan? Pinochet? Blair? Botha? Obama? Thatcher? Oh, sorry, not Thatcher, you said "he"...
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Post by manmarking on Nov 28, 2016 21:49:10 GMT
Harry is all about the black and white mate. He doesn't get anything in between Who's Harry, cliff ? If you're not Harry then you do a very good impression of him All seething hatred and anger and strawman arguments. If you're a wind-up then compliments, you're a good un
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Post by manmarking on Nov 28, 2016 21:38:58 GMT
Many on here and many ignorant millenials. I'm sure you've winged and protested about the above. You have such a shit understanding of the world. For the record I was for brexit and anti Clinton. Harry is all about the black and white mate. He doesn't get anything in between
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Post by manmarking on Nov 28, 2016 11:48:02 GMT
Can't stand the Sex Pistols. Tuneless derivative shite badly appropriated off Iggy and the Stooges
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Post by manmarking on Nov 28, 2016 11:44:25 GMT
I can see why a murderous despot dictator would hold such appeal to you, anyone who disagrees with you is a clueless fuck or a simpleton, all you need is some secret police and you'd be away. But you would have to be a clueless fuck to laud Cuba for sending doctors overseas when the real reason for doing this is foreign cash, nearly $8.2 billion is one estimate for what Cuba will be paid for its Doctors who earn $60 a month in Cuba. Their families remain in Cuba to “encourage” them to return. This is the reality of Castro's medical crusade. Not something his admirers appreciate. Like all dictators, he protected his interests. The idiot left love him because he, successfully, stuck two fingers up to an impotent US. The left like him because, in an increasingly homogenised world, he represents something different, however flawed his version of it. And although it's not a justification for any human rights abuses, he might have felt more stable and less paranoid if America hadn't spent the last 60 years trying to assassinate and/or politically undermine him - in direct breach of international law.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 28, 2016 11:38:32 GMT
RIP to the old bloke. It'll go down as a sad thing because future generations will be bright enough to understand that diversity is interesting, even essential - whether that be the diversity of people, places, governmental systems... How ironic that Fidel did not think diversity was interesting or essential He certainly promoted it outside his own borders. He sent medical aid and military assistance all over the world. Agree that he was pretty awful to certain sections of his own population.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 28, 2016 11:34:37 GMT
Complex stuff Deano. An organisation is made up of individuals with all their preferences and prejudices that will impact on yr experience. Irrespective of the culture of the organisation. Far too complex an issue for a pithy post, but I thought the comment in the documentary you cited was interesting: "If your only contact with a section of society is policing them, then you'll have a distorted view of those people." A bit of that goes both ways imo. Undoubtedly the Police are becoming more inclusive, less of the creaking organisation state sanctioned thugs and bullyboys, but you want a bit of a macho image in yr coppers surely? I thought the subject of the documentary's fascination with 'Chemical crazed old men orgies' sent the Police a bum steer, probably would have caused a furore if they'd 'stereotyped' the victims too. As with most things it's a balance... Lessons have been learned. On a general note, fuck the police. Not been on for a bit, but don't recall a documentary. Which one is it? I've got most of the detail from the obvious MSM (another term that irks) outlets. I must learn to be less pithy, but it's difficult given past experience on this topic on this very board. Agree on the police point. Fuck em. The homophobia has died down somewhat since mumf stuck himself on his latest course of gardening leave. Now there's a man with some seriously aggressive hang-ups about homosexuality. There's still a certain amount of "God created Adam and Eve; he didn't create Adam and Steve" every so often but our very own Dog Whisperer seems to have been the epicentre of the worst stuff
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Post by manmarking on Nov 26, 2016 20:37:04 GMT
A bit harsh to just point to the police, I've worked in industry and done a driving job and I can tell you that homophobia and racism was prevalent. Police Officers are recruited from society and there is racism and homophobia in society. So in a nutshell It's a certainty that some police are homophobic and some that aren't, don't think it requires any great insight to come to that conclusion. I guess the thing is that if you can't view gay people as absolutely equal in terms of their justice rights in this day and age, you probably shouldn't be a copper.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 26, 2016 13:13:55 GMT
So there will be negotiation, despite you telling us to shut up about it last night? Of course there will be negotiations with the EU. See my previous posts. There will not be any deal making with the Remainers. Blair saying we can reverse the referendum decision, Sturgeon, Clegg, Farron etc, etc, etc, etc All those guys can shut the fuck up. That's patently not what you were saying last night
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Post by manmarking on Nov 26, 2016 13:11:54 GMT
It implies nothing on my behalf. but replacing one dictatorship with another equally as bad is not progress. And that can be said for many countries all over the world. I'm not saying it implies anything on your behalf mate. It affects the west's standing in the world when we demand human rights action against repressive dictatorships that say things we don't like - whilst defending repressive dictatorships that agree with us.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 26, 2016 12:57:49 GMT
Oh you mean Cockers flapping about soft or hard brexit. Righto. Easy. It doesn't exist. Got that. It's a hypothetical notion so losers like Clegg and Sturgeon have something to talk about. May's correct. We will get the best possible deal for the UK. That's the brexit we will get. Call it hard, call it soft, call it sky blue fucking pink for all I care it will be what it will be but at the end of it, among other things, we will not be part of a 28 member political bloc, the highest court in the land will be in the land and we will be able to ask everyone coming to and from the country to fill in a form and/or apply for a visa. So there will be negotiation, despite you telling us to shut up about it last night? Thanks. Saved me the time
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